Talented elephant draws an amazing painting of an elephant. They are really smart .
By - Dhamsaablack
From wikipedia: Elephants in captivity have been trained to paint as a form of zoo environmental and behavioural enrichment. An example of this is seen at Melbourne Zoo. However, research published in 2014 indicated that elephants gain little enrichment from the activity of painting apart from the positive reinforcement given by zookeepers during the activity. The scientists concluded that the "benefits of this activity appear to be limited to the aesthetic appeal of these paintings to the people viewing them". The elephants draw the same painting each time and have learned to draw it line-for-line. It has been alleged that cruelty is involved in some tourist destinations where elephants are trained to paint.
I wish we could let animals simply exist and live the lives they were born to live
Can't say this enough.
I do agree with some zoos having breeding programs to help stop species from going extinct, but not to the point of training them for nothing more than to entertain slack jawed yokels.
And some zoos rescue animals that for some reason would not have survived in the wild.
People don't even live the lives they were born to live. And it's also because of people. There's something in us that turns life to something other than what it's supposed to be, for animals, for ourselves, for everything. The elephant wouldn't paint if the bastard didn't make him. Why's the bastard make him? Is it because some other bastard will give him a dollar to see it? Why's that bastard need to see a captive animal paint to feel better? What is this? What is any of this?
You'd think being conscious of this absurdity might help us to avoid it. Instead we run to it the way a moth flies into a fire. Is it consciousness that makes the moth do that? How about if the moth were aware it was doing it and did it anyway? Would that be consciousness?
We don't know if moths are aware, but we do know we are.. "I think, therefore I am". I think it's the awareness that we'll die, so we try to find meaning and ethics and purpose... It's a lot for such a young species to take in haha there's a quote that's something like humans have caveman brains, medieval institutions, and godlike technology. It can be hard to be us.
Animals are aware of death, and mourne as well in their own ways.
Well... we can observe and make really well informed guesses about what we think is going on with an animal's behavior, but because we can't teach moths sign language, it's pretty impossible to prove that statement. Not saying it's not true, just saying the science isn't conclusive enough to make assertive claims like that 🤷♀️
The thing is that the science is out and we have many animals that are known to mourn and experience grief.
There is science about certain animals, for sure, but it's pretty arrogant to say we understand exactly what's going on inside their minds just because we observe them from the outside. We barely understand humans that speak the same language as us. I'm not saying animals don't have consciousness, I'm saying we just don't know that much. Science is an ongoing process.
You nailed it. Because a dollar is going to someone. What keeps us from living our lives is the money funneling up. Now at the deepest expense of our world ecosystem
reminder that the wild is also horrific; the last moments of 98% of animals are being eaten alive
Yeah, it's a give and take and certainly not 100% one or the other. Nature is beautiful but brutal and uncaring. In a zoo, there are no parasites burrowing into you eyes or predators looking to tear into your flesh, but you lack your natural environment and open space.
Thankfully there are protected areas and reserves to keep poachers out, but nature is still gonna nature.
Circle of life
We can’t make money of that! It’s way cooler to see a baby-bear dance, or an elephant paint! People don’t wanna see animals, they want to see toys ya doofus. Don’t spout nonsense! /s obviously.
This is why I donate money to Planned Parenthood
I agree. That’s literally all I can say
I’d love to see a herd of wild pugs.
I total agree. It's nice to see other vegans on Reddit 🌱
would it be ok though to eat some of them? Especially the delicious ones?
Thank you.. some people ya know? I get my meat the most humane way possible, natural long lives in a good home. There is just something about a happy old dog that just tastes amazing and none of that vegan crap comes anywhere close.
just cant beat happy, cute and delicious!
I was hoping to read that this was faked. But instead I find out that the elephants are tortured to paint… fml. The world is shit.
Ah yes this again.
A captive trained elephant means an elephant with a broken will. In order to get elephants to obey humans, they get abused. There’s no other way around it, they take the baby elephant away from their mothers when they are weaned at 2 years of age, they use pain and withhold food to make these elephants obey humans.
The elephants are trained to copy an image someone prepared for them. These elephants make people money to entertain tourists.
Training and discipline are all another way to say disablement because changing anyone's natural reactions and behaviors is done for someone else's benefit (or everyone's) and this video is disturbing on a whole other level when you consider the elephant doesn't even care about the picture. The painted elephant is smiling, it looks happy. Does the elephant even know what a smile means to a human? For all we know their version of smiling is unrelated to their mouth.
So my first thought was, wow that's horrifying that we keep creatures so intelligent and conditions we wouldn't wish on the homeless. At least they let the elephant paint! That's really interesting and something they wouldn't be able to do without human help.
Wow, just completely screw everything about all of this.
It reminds me of how whales talk to each other across the entire fucking globe *through the ocean* and then along comes humanity and in a few hundred years we've destroyed their whole habitat and they're going extinct.
That’s exactly what I came to the comment section to say 👌🏻
Elephants wouldn’t choose to paint if we didn’t make them. Yes, elephants are extremely smart, but I’m pretty sure humans are the only creatures that have an interest in visually artistic things like painting.
"Am I a joke to you?"
Birds aren't real
There’s a sub for this ain’t it?
It could also act as a form of primitive expression
To play devil's advocate- Children wouldn't go to school if we didn't make them but it develops them and they learn many skills which they are grateful for later.
While we don't know the methods under which the Elephants were taught or if there are any consequences for refusing to paint, we can't automatically assume that Elephant hates it/doesn't want to do it once it has learned the skill. Animals do have creative capacity so it is not impossible for the Elephant to enjoy it.
Sure, but an elephant isn’t a child, and most people don’t consider Elephants as their equals. The vast majority of the time, Elephants are abused and forced to learn to paint like this. I’d say that’s very different from sending a human child to learn to go do human things
If they gave an elephant a paintbrush in some kind of rescue centre and just stepped back to let the elephant explore painting for itself then that would be totally fine, but the main reason for elephants painting is for human’s benefit- and most of the time, they are taught through extreme abuse.
> elephant isn’t a child
Young Elephants are and it would make the most sense to train them at that stage.
> most people don’t consider Elephants as their equals
Not relevant- making some shapes with a stick is hardly the Mona Lisa or rocket science. They certainly have the intelligence and dexterity, saying they have to be the same level as humans to do this is ludicrous.
I wasn’t saying “humans don’t consider elephants as their equals” to say that they can’t paint because they ‘aren’t on the same level’
I was saying it because humans take advantage of beings who they deem “less than human” which plays into the abuse part of it, because humans just want to see a “cute non-human do human things” and in a captive elephant’s case, they are usually abused to produce this kind of painted result.
I don’t know why you’re fighting me on this. Like I said, I wouldn’t care about this at all if elephants were treated humanely and just allowed to explore this, or at the very least taught with the same kindness as a human child- but the reality of the situation is that the vast majority of the time, elephants are abused to paint or do other kind of performances for human benefit and human benefit alone.
Putting new meaning to "tortured artist"...
I knew it. Hey, fellow garbage people, you belong to a garbage species.
To be fair our planet is named Dirt, so what are you gonna do
Every species is eventually garbage.
I’m really glad this is the top comment here. Thank you.
In other words it has no idea what it just painted
So this was a scientific study of existentialism?
Exactly. I am somewhat sure it is training not art
U are d.u.m.b.
In some defence of Melbourne Zoo, they havent done the elephant painting in many years it was also nothing like that. Literally just gave them paint and a brush and and easel with paper. It just looked like splashes of colour. I've also done heaps of behind the scenes stuff at the zoo and if the animals don't want to do something they don't force them. I even got to do the wade with the platypus where I scratched a platypus belly (its back leg shook like a dogs, it was the cutest thing I have ever seen) but the whole time the platypus had several escape options if it didn't want to be there.
Did you mean, rumduck? https://twitter.com/JamesFosdike/status/782911425249366016 https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDollop/comments/55hj28/the_dollop_209_john_macarthur_live_in_adelaide/
I was going to say…the fact that it drew the back legs as appearing behind the stomach line is an extremely advanced concept that you’re only going to develop if you have certain conceptual understandings in regards to 2d-3d translations…there’s just no way this elephant has that understanding…something like that would automatically and indisputably qualify them as being sentient (which I think they are).
As much as I want them to have this ability I’m not at all surprised it’s a trick, it seemed fishy to me.
No one should see elephants that are drawing or carrying people as transport because they've been beaten senseless. Do not go to these tourist attractions. Look at that elephants eyes and tell me it's not traumatised.
Those eyes look weird because it’s a faked video. The movement is I consistent with a real animal.
Poor thing should be free to live with friends and family. Instead, they are being held captive by humans who torture them to draw things that they don’t know and don’t matter.
Animal cruelty can create some cool things! Besides the torture of course, that might be a little bad.
Just a little
I put some clamps on my nipples to see if torture can also turn me into an artist, but I can't tell if it's working, so I'm here to ask for volunteers to spank me... for science of course.
Meanwhile put a paintbrush in my hands and all i can manage to draw is a penis
But it's probably a damn fine penis.
You can use a paint brush like a penis too.
You can use a penis like a paint brush too.
This is very true... and guess where you can get the finest shade of red? ;)
Bet that elephant can't draw a penis tho
yea pretty sure they tortured the animals so get this to happen
Yep, it’s just like the waving bear enclosures
I don't like it
It’s smug aura mocks me.
You're apostrophe mocks us all.
This art is BULLSHIT and derivative!
“Niles you fool, this is much more a statement about his sexual attraction to his mother than what you’ve said. It certainly isn’t just an elephant. You have so much to learn about fine art, now go fetch me a drink dear boy.”
I am seriously so amazed rn. I had no idea.
that elephant just drew an elephant better than I can draw an elephant
But can an elephant draw an elephant drawing an elephant?
If the result of years of animal torture for the sake of human entertainment is supposed to make me be amazed
I don't wanna be amazed ever again
Pretty sure this has been faked, the movement looks very unnatural and the constant cutting is suspicious. This video has been doing the rounds for several years but I can't find a source for it.
It's not fake, but they do use bull hooks and other nasty training methods in some places, it's a gimmick for people's entertainment and profit, hate to be that person but this video isn't one that makes me happy since I learnt about it
Lmao you can even see the hand out of the snout. Why almost everyone think it's real?? Wtf
Because it is.
Fucking hell. How often do we gotta go through this bullshit ?
This look fake to anyone else?
No fucking way.
What if caveman paintings were actually done by elephants 👀
Not amazing. Painfully sad though.
Don't be sad. Here's a [hug!](https://media.giphy.com/media/3M4NpbLCTxBqU/giphy.gif)
I for one welcome our elephant overlords
Proof it’s not faked: a normal human can’t even do that
[Not exactly what’s happening…](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elephant-painting/)
No way this is real!? He draws better than most people.
These paintings are real. His keeper is standing at his ear and guiding his movements. The paintings are gonna sold to tourists. It's not voluntary by the elephants nor do they understand what they are painting.
Yeah the way the trunk moved when painting the front legs seemed fake af. While I do believe elephants paint I don't believe this painting is real.
I think it’s sped up a bit causing a weird effect.
You should see the size of the hand up that elephant...
I call bullshit. NFW that is real.
Finally we have an explenation for all those cave paintings!! …😶
Gonna have to call bullshit on this one.
It’s very much real. The issue is that they torture and abuse the elephant to train it to paint.
This hoax was exposed and tha animal cruelty involved. Should not be here
Something about this video leads me to believe it is fake. I’m not saying that elephants can’t do this, because it wouldn’t surprise me at all. There just seems to be an awkward tick in the way the video is being filmed and edited, and the way it jerks away at the end seems awkward.
I noticed this too and started going through the comments to see if anyone else noticed it. I’m also not understanding why you downvoted for pointing that out.
It’s the typical Reddit hive mind attacking any possible dissent.
Lmaooo - this 🤣🤣
Likely edited for enhanced precision drawing effect. Elephant can paint, not this good. The one [elephant painting in Edinburg gallery](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/5203120.stm) gallery looks like something an elephant might be tortured trained to paint.
Y’all know this is fake as hell right?
Bruh this elephant draws better than I do
That elephant can draw better than me and I don't know how to feel about that
That is way better than I could do
Can draw a better elephant than me.
Awful you mean. This animal is brutalised to teach it to paint.
This changes everything! Perhaps those cave paintings weren't done by humans after all... lol
Save them man.
And often beaten into submission for human enjoyment.
Quite a bit better than any of my elephant drawings, but then again they have probably seen more elephants than I have!
He actually draws better than me
This elephant can draw better elephants than me
Mystery of where cave paintings came from. Solved.
Now I feel guilty for eating elephants
I dunno if this is really amazing or not, I mean a 5 year old could draw better than him.
Wow. At some point in my life, this elephant could draw better than I could.
Ok so can we teach them to paint anything?
This seem like a robot arm masked as an elephant.
This seemeth like a robot armeth mask'd as an elephant
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What if…. Cave paintings….weren’t done by humans ancestors
Now - try to tell me there’s no intelligence inside that skull. I need a good laugh.
It’s pretty bad when an elephant can paint better than me.
Look at how he drew the legs behind the others, my dumbass still does 4 legs like a rollerblade elephant
There is no way this is real
Regardless of the humanity of whatever went into the training, the fact they're even CAPABLE is amazing.
I love elephants so much, I hate they're abused, hunted, and used as the GOP symbol.
That elephant just insulted my garbage drawing skills
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no way an elephant can paint better than me.
Is this absolutely freaking terrifying to anybody else? Just me? Okay.
Stop posting this Thai animal torture garbage.
They would sell a lot more of those paintings if he started adding a huge dong to them. I know I'd buy one.
This shit ain’t no talent are you @[email protected]$ 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
I can’t believe someone thought this would be heart warming to see.
We are such selfish animals.
Zoos & aquariums in general should just be outlawed everywhere. Let animals live their lives, they don’t need us, they never needed us until we forced them into dependency.
If you want to see animals or learn about them, google it, YouTube a video or better yet do what everyone else used to do and read a fucking book about them.
Can we just stop trying to make money off these animals. Paraded around in a ring. Then you took their tusks. Now u pretend with a stick. What next.
Why can't zoos just be a place to view animals that can't survive in the wild. Why did it have to turn into this
Did... Did it just shade
that elephant drew better I could ever, and that's a fact
Holy shit it can paint better than me
Shit...I couldn't come close to drawing one as well as the elephants
Holy shit the ancient cave paintings were just self portraits!
Planet of the Elephants
It’s an elephant’s ideal elephant. The long tail, the graceful truck, the smooth underbelly. This elephant is the Michelangelo of elephants.
Edit: I thought the elephant was inspired genius when it was truly just used and manipulated. Elephant is still an elegant genius IMO.
Get outta town!! This is amazing/unreal/mind boggling/ 😜
This is FAF for all you dum dums that believe it 🤣
How is this elephant better at drawing than me
I’m so impressed never have I seen such a feat
Wow! That really is amazing!
Edit after reading the moments-it’s also really awful.
Poachers should be shot.
I wonder how many times it was almost beat to death before it fully was trained to do this
To train the elephant to move the brush to create stroke patterns that we recognize as flowers, trees, or even an elephant, the mahouts use these painful prods to guide the elephant’s movements. Further, if an elephant paints incorrectly, they are beaten, either with a bullhook, or physically hit on their head or trunk.
When this skill is mastered, the elephant will be expected to recreate the same pattern every single day, sometimes twice, or even three times.
It’s not amazing, they get beaten and tortured to do this for people’s amusement. It’s horrible, actually.
I wonder how long they had to torture him to get him to do that
I’m gonna call BS on this one
They are really abused. 🤬There fixed that for you.