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The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City S2 - E2- Icy Apology - Weekly Episode Discussion

The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City S2 - E2- Icy Apology - Weekly Episode Discussion

PerformativeEyeroll

I love watching Jen lose her shit bewildered over the fact that people are mad at her for apologizing constantly and not changing her behavior.


My_Bouche_Is_Amused

If you’re having to apologize that much you need to look hard at yourself, not the people you’re apologizing to.


whoareyouindisworld

I lowkey hate when housewives try to change their behavior and be a better people. So i was enjoying watching Jen lose her shit after she talked about changing. Sorry i love my drama.


jendet010

It’s an amazing juxtaposition though to see her lose her shit but she stayed so calm on the phone on the bus when she knew the feds were coming to arrest her.


SpookySchatzi

She knows her usual bag of tricks - play dumb, explode and try to redirect blame, cry and apologize, love bomb until the gremlin urges return - won’t work with the Feds. Uncle Sam don’t care, they just want their pound of flesh.


lezlers

So true. Watching her with Heather, she was just going through all of her manipulative tactics, one after the other, until she found one that worked: the race card.


missmolly3333

I think it was a call she was expecting to happen at some point. She knew exactly to turn off the mic and get her stuff quickly and go.


flumeo

She is totally off the rails! Over everything! Impossible to have a conversation with her


jenspen25

I just watched the episode and there is something beyond off with Jenn Shah. She is so emotionally immature. "But Brooks started it."


lezlers

That was amazing. It was like hearing my six year old defend herself.


profjb15

What was more chaotic: Mary’s house tour, or Whitney imitating her sex life in her confessionals?


HouseofBrand

Jen throwing the churros in the fire is sending me into oblivion. LIKE GIRL WHAT!? 💀💀💀


SophieSkatesBacon

It’s food abuse.


erinrose6126

And then them eating them afterwards 🤣🤣🤣


SSolomonGrundy

When Heather slowly reached her hand into the fire to grab them haha. The secret of magic is motivation!


VaguelyArtistic

Yoink!


Agile_Arm_9041

And the award for best GASLIGHTER goes to…. JEN SHAH. Jen Shah is a garbage human being. Scams aside, defending going after Brooks, admitting she’d be mad, too, but saying she only did it because of Brooks saying he saw her vagina. She’s had to defend her vagina. Seriously. No, you need to keep your mouth shut actually. Her victim trope is outrageous. According to Meredith she was asked more than once by assistants to cover up yet she didn’t. So she knew her 🐱 was riding the borderline of being exposed. Yet she did it anyway while yelling a gay inference at Brooks at the same time. But that’s ok because he said he was offended by it which he shouldn’t have done. Maybe not bring it up so much but he still had that right to, in his home where he lives and should feel comfortable. THEN she plays the race card against Heather when she’s caught lying. Either it’s you or it’s not you running your social media, Jen. Notice how she owned liking and reposting the things about Brooks but when it came to Heather her social media is now run by others. She got awfully defensive for someone who wasn’t to blame. It’s ok to repeatedly be nasty to your friends over and over and over in her world apparently as long as you give a fake apology then cry and scream about your childhood.


LoveIsland_DayBed

Jen wants so badly to be a top tier housewife. She is not smart or clever enough to even form coherent clap backs, and thinks her raging is good TV. Don’t think she realizes ppl are cringing and laughing at her, not with her.


Agile_Arm_9041

She seems to lack self-awareness and with the feds being able to look at the footage and see her lifestyle, it won’t bode well for her.


lezlers

I loved her nephew low key shaming her and Telling her she needs to give some of her shit to people in need.


lezlers

She comes across as very borderline personality.


nellospace

Can someone remind me what was the actual quote Brooks said regarding her vagina? I only remember him saying he saw it and was horrified by seeing his moms friends vagina. Did he say something more about it?


Agile_Arm_9041

He said this in his confessional “I’m feeling really uncomfortable. Her vagina is, like, in my face.” What I forgot about was that Jen even says she’d show them the ‘high kicks’ she was referring to but she might end up flashing them. And according to Meredith she had been told twice by production to ‘cover up’. So despite being very aware of her 🐱 close to being out of the bag, she still proceeded to demonstrate anyway. And chanted ‘Grindr! Grindr! Grindr!’ while doing it. I mean, I don’t know how anyone can’t see that was directed at Brooks and her implication by saying that. No, Brooks isn’t a little kid but that doesn’t mean he has to be ok with anyone doing that where he lives. Especially the references to his sexuality which he hasn’t necessarily identified yet.


leximmorgan17

that was seriously disturbing to watch


Agile_Arm_9041

Yes, it was! I’m glad I’m not the only one. I hope when Heather watched that back she saw what lengths Jen will go to in order to manipulate her. And how low she’ll go. It was truly disgusting.


lezlers

I lost a little respect for Heather, honestly. Jen’s manipulation was so obvious but she just let it go because she likes being love bombed by her. It’s a really superficial reason to stay friends with someone so toxic.


VaguelyArtistic

> She’s had to defend her vagina. Flair checking in!


sorhanson

Mary's house, shit-talking her contractor and her feelings about her own house...it all seems like a skit from a comedy show :D


lolo_pineapple

It was amazing


Minnemiska

Pan-DAMN-ic! I rewound and she for sure pronounced it that way.


Imperfect_Error

I think Mary has ADHD and I honestly love it because she’s not afraid to express herself.


sabraheart

Her house.. her personality gives me anxiety and I’m constantly on the verge of a panic attack watching her.


UcancallmeAllison

I died when she mentioned her dogs mistaking that weird green carpet for grass. 😂 The house is just as strange as she is. To end on a nice note, her hair looked great & she should skip wigs more often.


craychel

I agree! She looked so much younger!


lilbrownie346

me too! i think it’s because i haven’t decided exactly how i feel about her so she still scares me because i never know what to expect. the “fish” line really threw me off…


blueberryhaiku

Same I don’t know what it is about her but all her scenes are deeply disturbing to me, especially when she’s w the husband. Tbh I usually end up fast forwarding thru


GoodChives

FR, she’s so jittery and spastic.. gives me anxiety lol.


ambiguousalmond

Jennie’s kids were hilarious, I loved watching them crack jokes while making dinner


OkAlso

Me and my boyfriend listening to Whitney talk about 2-3x/week being lame ![gif](giphy|lL20ZCkHV511xPNCSp|downsized)


AmbitiousContest1437

I immediately sent that clip to my husband. He freaking wishes 💀


Lola514

Lol seriously…. No thanks.. I’m like uh half that if I have to


lezlers

Same, girl. We both work full time and have a 9 and 6 year old. We’ve been together 12 years. We got shit to do and no one is trying to impress anyone.


realhousewifeofmn

Hahaha my husband and I just looked at each other and were like NOPE. We have a 3 year old and a 9 months old. I am le tired 😴


l3tigre

such a weird humble brag flex lol


lezlers

Right?! Gave my 1-2 times a week sex life a complex! I thought we were doing fine!


jbfletcherswit

Brooks maybe a little shit, but Meredith is incredible the way she has his back regarding his sexuality. ( on camera anyway). I love that she is defending his right to figure it out, and letting Jennifer fucking shah know it’s none of her business. I knew a few young people who may still be alive it they had a mother supporting them like Meredith and I’m assuming Seth are supporting brooks. That shit matters


jendet010

I think Meredith and Seth are absolutely supporting Brooks on his journey behind the scenes as well. They have the unconditional love for their kids thing down.


Hair_I_Go

I feel like she does, it’s really nobody’s business what his or anyone’s else’s sexuality is. Especially Jen!


con7777

When she said all Brooks had to identify as was as their son (or something along those lines), it somehow made me emotional..


jbfletcherswit

Me too. That’s all any of us really want isn’t it.... to be accepted for whoever we are. And that is never more true than for a young kid who is “ different “ in any way. A boy I knew many years ago would definitely still be alive if either of his parents had ever said anything remotely like that.


wasitmethewholetime

This imo is such an important comment. Brooks should be able to come out and make any definitive statements about who he is on his own time in his own way. AND people (Jen Steals-from-grandmas Shah and others) should remember the larger issue that there are young people struggling and they are watching Brooks be disparaged. Housewives is technically frivolous entertainment, but we all have a responsibility to each other when it comes to these larger issues of race, identity, sexual orientation, mental health, etcetera. Jmho.


realityshowho

I love the relationship between Meredith and Brooks. She’s his biggest fan and supporter and I think that’s really sweet.


LongConFebrero

What are your thoughts on putting someone on tv who isn’t ready to be criticized? I also love Meredith’s perspective, but I’m still lost on what she thought would happen if she made him such a focal point.


jbfletcherswit

I’m sure they discussed it, or not. Not my son, not my decision. I’m sure they didn’t imagine a situation where a grown woman, a “family friend “ no less, would start attacking his sexuality publicly and repeatedly.


whackadoodle_cracked

I don't think she cares that people are out there saying that, they knew that would happen. The offensive thing is someone who was supposed to be her friend, who knows her children, is agreeing with it and saying it too.


Neon__meow

I would be deeply hurt if anyone ever disparaged my children, and absolutely devastated if it was something that made my child uniquely them. A parent's job is to love their kids unconditionally. Meredith is doing a wonderful job drawing that line with Jen.


cnoly212

I don't think this is your intention but I don't know if it's fair to say that making fun of someone's sexuality (or perceived sexuality) is fair game, or something that Meredith should've known would've happened when Brooks went on camera. I haven't been a Brooks fan and think the vagina thing was too much. However, the comments that Jen has liked and reposted are borderline homophobic, esp since there's a pattern here of what she's amplifying. Like yes when Brooks is such a focal point he's vulnerable to being criticized, but should Jen - someone who knows Brooks IRL and probably knew that his sexuality was something he was quiet about - choose that line of attack?


LongConFebrero

No I don’t think Jen in any way has any excuse for what she’s co-signing. I’m just stuck on the fact that people want to pretend this isn’t a show built on toxic behaviors. Brooks’ sexuality isn’t “fair game” but it is par the course as we just witnessed Denise get bi-shamed, Kandi was bi-shamed and I’m sure we could think of other examples. Each time it happens, it is reprehensible. However, after 15+ years of Bravo brining people to our screens who like low blows, idk why people are surprised to see it happen again. I’m glad the world has evolved to a place where we acknowledge toxic behaviors, but I fully expect things like this and worse when I put on Bravo.


jbfletcherswit

I understand where you are coming from, but all those examples are the grown women who signed up to film a show. Not their kids. We all know reality tv especially housewives are rooted in conflict and drama, but a child’s sexuality should be off limits from nasty speculation. Just my two cents anyway


LongConFebrero

I don’t disagree with you! But that circles back to the original point, why on earth would Meredith decide to put Brooks in the public eye? If people have felt comfortable shitting on Kylie Jenner since she was younger than Brooks, idk how Meredith didn’t think the same couldn’t happen to her kids.


jbfletcherswit

I agree, and it is a tough choice I guess. Give your aspiring designer son a platform that could help establish a career, or does he hide away so he doesn’t get hurt? I still believe that of all the possible scenarios they imagined could happen, their sons sexuality being attacked by a adult friend of theirs is not one I think I would have predicted. I wonder if they regret it. I hope their defence of brooks and complete support of him to not have to officially declare his sexuality is a beacon of hope for young people, and inspires parents everywhere how to support your kid. But yes, there is a long history of reality tv exploiting kids, and sadly it has to be taken into consideration


sweetpeapickle

I understand where you're at. But I think there's a fine line, that people morally need to think about with oneself when they decide to criticize someone else. This goes for anyone especially in the entertainment industry. We've all seen/read people criticize the "famous" from everything including what they wear on a casual run for cripes sake. Or God forbid them chowing down on a burger. People most of us do not know, not really. Most of them, take it in stride. But like some have said already, this is one friend's son, whom another "friend" is commenting on in a rude tactic. Meredith is being kind in just refusing to be friends with her anymore. Even in next week's ep, she just wants to get up & leave. I would not be so kind.


lezlers

Her issue is with someone who is allegedly a family friend doing it. She hasn’t been bitching about randos on Twitter.


PerformativeEyeroll

Idk I think there is a big difference between internet strangers criticizing a public figure vs a personal friend being just as cruel and expecting no repercussions.


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SoBraveMuchFeels

Jen Shah has entered the chat.. ![gif](giphy|9xciXC6jG9lH7wM4KH)


SufficientEmployee6

The fact that Mary keeps bringing her extended family on just to talk bad about them has me rofl. She's a trip lol.


Wmfw

and that her cousin is calling her ma’am?!!


SufficientEmployee6

I think that's just a southern/Black thing, a lot of Black people are raised to call anyone were around regardless of age and relation ma'am and sir. It's so natural it's almost like calling people by their name.


buymoreplants

Def a southern thing. I was raised to call everyone (but my mom… OBVIOUSLLYYY she looks far too young to be a ma’am) sir or ma’am. My husband got sir’d for the first time last week and he said he has never felt so old.


Tulips1217

Even people in your age group? He looked the same-ish age as her. Very curious!


buymoreplants

Out of habit, yeah. Not just people my own age though…Toddlers get sir’d and ma’am’d too.


FundamentalBasic

Same. It’s a habit that’s impossible to break so I gave up. It’s more an expression of respect or even affection in my southern culture, not one of subservience. I think many people use ma’am or sir to express submission so they don’t understand our use ? Idk.


Tulips1217

This is blowing my mind! I’m in the northeast and grew up saying Mr and Mrs Last Name to adults, but I don’t say that to anyone anymore, including the CEO of my company.


SoulsticeCleaner

In dance team we even said "yes ma'am" to people our same age on the team as junior high kids.


UrbanPlannerholic

Yeah. I was raised that way in Georgia and people side eye me in California when it kicks in


SpookySchatzi

In her case, I think it’s the cult thing


Wmfw

Could be. I lived in the south for a while so I understand sir & ma’am but it just seems to me it’s reflective of the unusual power dynamic. Mary has more power than her family and her family is lucky to work for her etc….


AnonPlsxx

Unblur Jen’s laptop screen bravo! The people need to know


GravyBoatShipwreck

Was Mary saying that her grandhusband was cheating on her or did I misunderstand?


GoodChives

Grandhusband 😩💀


BDSn00b

The ice castles looked so amazing! I want to go there!


pishanator

I love them. Can I touch?


aimeerolu

I’ve been (to these specific ones). And I feel like they must have paid a lot for this, because you have to buy tickets to go and they are for very specific timeframes. And even then….it was SUPER crowded when we went. Either way, it is still very neat and beautiful. My friend is watching the episode with me and said, “you can see the inversion in the background.” Not sure if that’s true, but it’s funny if you’re from here.


amysturg

They have them all over the country! [Even prettier at night](https://www.reddit.com/r/FreezingFuckingCold/comments/f7ct6f/valentines_day_2020_at_the_ice_castles_in_new/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)✨


BDSn00b

So pretty!


whoareyouindisworld

So magical. Are they man made though?


BDSn00b

'The experience is built using hundreds of thousands of icicles hand-placed by professional ice artists. The castles include breathtaking LED-lit sculptures, frozen thrones, ice-carved tunnels, slides, fountains and much more'. From their website


whoareyouindisworld

Ohhhh so cool. I would totally blackout there and just push my friends around and do stupid stuff.


My_Bouche_Is_Amused

Being so chummy with Jen is a bad look, Lisa. Jenny is the far better, (more fun, less malevolent) ‘Jen.’


Forward-Purchase

Jen has something on Lisa 100%


My_Bouche_Is_Amused

You may be right because otherwise I have no idea why she’d attach herself to that train wreck (other than the producers bribed her.)


lezlers

I mean, you’ve also got Heather, who gets shit talked and called names by Jen on social media and then just keeps on being her friend because she got some half assed apology she had to pry out of her to begin with. That’s even sadder to me.


Dial-M-for-Mediocre

Gotta admit I'm really into Meredith the Mama Bear.


blackgown

That throwback photo of Mary with newborn Robert Jr is...different.


gu3ssmyfridg3

I missed it what was it


Ill_Scratch_8204

Meredith's chest in the confessional looks like plastic


lezlers

Thank you! It was like the chest of a Ken doll, I couldn’t stop staring at it. I don’t think I heard a word she said in those confessionals


alwaysbefraudin

She's rocking the Ricardo Montalbán look.


zkh35438

A little late, but just want to say: it’s not the Bruce Lee, it’s the parsley.


Hair_I_Go

I think her kids are hilarious 😆 I love d the ocean joke- I’m gonna use that one 😆


Julialagulia

I usually don’t really care about kids on these shows unless they are shading their parents (Gizelle’s daughters looking at you) but Jennie’s kids are very cute and funny in a wholesome realistic kid way


lezlers

She had me at “that’s why we’re a-sian and not b-sian.


LoveIsland_DayBed

Protect this kid at all costs!!!!!!!


moechtegernstadter

I fear that my boyfriend is gonna hear this a lot from me… way too many times.


Material_Studio

The dynamic between Heather and Jen Shah is so bizarre to me. Even though Heather came to Jen asking for an apology for her gross behavior, Heather still comes off as desperate for Jen's friendship to me. The things Jen allegedly said about Heather were so mean, yet Heather just accepted that Jen "didn't say that" and is willing to move right past it with the weakest of apologies? What am I missing with this relationship?


3jrp515

I’d guess that Heather is drawn to toxic controlling relationships where he has to constantly relinquish any personal power and follow the herd. Unfortunately her background has set up really unhealthy patterns that she’s destined to relive over and over.


buymoreplants

I think shes terrified of people leaving her… especially after he divorce and publicly shunning Mormonism.


murderinothrowaway

You’re not missing anything. Heather is just conditioned to need Jen’s approval and take her abuse bc she equates the attention with love even though she’s the only one putting real effort into the friendship. Watching them last season actually was a huge eyeopener regarding my own relationship with my best friend and I hope heather can find a little independence and strength for herself.


Sullsberry7

Seems like a standard narcissist + unaware empath combo to me.


ccs3333

It’s so characteristic of an elementary/middle school relationship


mokokona

I love Heather but she needs to create a backbone, she's making it too easy for Jen.


erinrose6126

Yeah, exactly. When Jen was like, "Those aren't my texts!!! That wasn't MEEEE!!" I was hoping Heather would nail her ass to the wall because it was so ridiculous. But no, Jen trots out racism, how no one understands her, forces some tears and Heather retreats once again. Rinse and repeat


JCistheway

In the end Heather WANTS to be friends with Jen, that's why she won't fight very hard. Why does she want that friendship? Only a psychologist would be able to say.


90daydisaster

She was her biggest client. That’s why!


broken_bird

Is Jen on the spoof text train now too??


hookman48

Heather has all of the receipts on the texts and name calling (body shaming, racist etc) and all because Heather said she was dramatic and aggressive? Um? She is dramatic and aggressive by her own admission. Jen wants to be a "better person"? Its not hard to be a better person \*if\* at the core you are a good person. But she isn't a good person, so she can never be better. This is her. And her=awful.


lezlers

Im no psychiatrist but Jen screams borderline personality to me.


axealy40

100% wish Mary wasn’t a cult leader because she is so much more enjoyable this season, thus far. She looks gorgeous with her natural hair. Her shit talking her contractor and her house was hilarious.


Giacara

Omg there really was alot of green in that house! I'm not going to lie, I really wanted her son's Gucci sheets and LV blanket!!


axealy40

That boy was so high in that room😂


Giacara

Omg yessss!!


Surfroof

I weirdly love every scene her son is in, cant stand mary but her son cracks me up.


overflowingsandwich

My mom’s house had that exact same carpet when we moved in lol, it was the first thing my mom changed.


Giacara

That's hilarious 🤣🤣


murderinothrowaway

That carpet has been in my house since the first Bush administration and I’ve resigned the fact that when I eventually inherit the place it’ll still be there.


AmbitiousContest1437

I love her natural hair and she looked so young with her hair up! I usually have to walk out of the room when she’s on because she creeps me out..major cult leader vibes.


AnonPlsxx

Meredith’s face in the confessionals vs live footage.. girl you are beautiful please relax on the fillers


captain-fur

Does anybody know when it’s uploaded to Hayu? Every week it’s a different time and I’m goimg insane at this point


Mention-It-ALL

Which country? In Australia the upload time is currently 4pm (AEST), which is when I watched it.


captain-fur

Spain, it’s usually up between 8:00-12:00, but it’s almost 14:00 and I’l nothing


Mention-It-ALL

How infuriating.


captain-fur

I know I probably have bigger problems, but I really like to start the week with my Potomac catch up


Mention-It-ALL

Yeah, I feel you. Are you on twitter? When Hayu doesn't work for me or the latest episode doesn't load I message this account for help or info - https://twitter.com/hayuhelps


blondefashionpuppy

Neither this nor Potomac seem to have been uploaded to prime in the UK yet :( when this has happened before it has seemed like it’s a problem on the prime side as it is available on hayu


kewpie--

Yeah, this is a Prime issue. The last season of Dragula was on prime and the distribution of episodes was an absolute disaster. They don't care about anything that isn't a prime original.


mhaltonite666

I'm in Ireland and it was available on Hayu at about 8am today


reslackser

I'm in the UK and it was up at 7am for me


cherrychapelle

Weirdly could watch it on Hayu on my phone but it wasn’t showing on my TV or laptop. I hate it but it’s all we have.


maxative

Is Jen Shah punching the walls in Shah chalet 2.0? Every inch has a weird decorative mirror or candle holder on it.


Dial-M-for-Mediocre

I hope there's an episode this season titled "There's No Business like Shah Business."


Scubaslut4

Jennies kids are adorable! I like her so far


Kkcardz

I’m loving Meredith coming out of her Xanax bubble to defend Brooks. It’s super sweet and I love how supportive she is of him


PerformativeEyeroll

She is like a totally different person this season! And way more likeable/entertaining. I wonder if she really is just off the Xanax.


GoodChives

Her slow talking and somewhat dazed look last season was annoying AF to watch. She must have been on something but I thought on benzos you’re not able to drive?


Kkcardz

Oh I don’t mean I think she’s actually on Xanax, but it’s just the easiest way to describe her attitude and how she was last season lol


alwaysbefraudin

Narrator: she was on Xanax.


momo411

Jen Shah is such a terrible person that it makes me want to crawl out of my own skin whenever she’s yelling at her fellow cast members


lezlers

She really is a monster


alwaysbefraudin

Find yourself someone in life who will defend you the way Meredith defends Brooks.


imsarahokay

I NEED TO TALK ABOUT SETH’S SOULPATCH - mostly like why? And like don’t. ![gif](giphy|l0HlzsaupDQvv0lgY)


amcjmb123

The twink comment is being focused on so much but I’m really just as shocked at the “sissy bitch.” Isn’t that p homophobic too? And at least very inappropriate to say about a friend’s CHILD..?


indecisiveplatypus

Who else clocked the pride flag sitting on Jen’s desk?


Lexifer31

I am loving Jennie so far. She dgaf and I'm here for it.


notmymess

Guys did you know Whitney has sex? She likes doing the sex a lot. She’s embarrassed when she doesn’t do hot sexes. She is first person to have sex.


lezlers

She’s so cool and edgy because she loves having sex all the time. She even has a stripper pole!


notmymess

I’ve never heard of adults having sex. So so edgy!


ChronicMock

Mary Cosby looks so pretty, and 200% less crazy, with her natural hair.


VanGrayson

Listen. Im gonna be honest. I think Whitney is hilarious and a great housewife. Her imitating sex had me fucking dead.


aimeerolu

Part of me was uncomfortable and a bigger part of me was appreciating what she brings to the show. I do appreciate they showed the producers asking for it. Makes it not so try-hard.


ChronicMock

Right?!? Love her or hate her, her willingness to do, say, or pantomime anything on camera is a gift that keeps on giving.


SophieSkatesBacon

Lmao so relatable


littlemiss44

Does anyone else think Jens family from California make sense? I watched twice and I’m still trying to figure out how they are related


Ill_Scratch_8204

I think, that they are her husbands family?


littlemiss44

But why did they call her and then she had to move them when she called back 3 months later


Minnemiska

Are these long claw nails really in style right now? How do they use their hands?


awise87

Sadly yes 😢 I hate them too


whoareyouindisworld

Jenny's first impressions of Jen must have not been great. All that yelling and talking about her vagina. I find it so funny how they pronounce Jenny's husband's name Duy as Duwee. Its pronounced Zwee in Vietnamese. I guess they wanted it easier for non Viet speakers. Anyone else find it kinda cringe Heather keeps talking about striving for perfection but when I look at her I dont see perfection or near it at all. I mean no one is perfect but when you think of that you think of someone like LVP or Heather Dubrow.


PerformativeEyeroll

I love how the scene was introduced by Lisa saying Jenny reminder her of Jen and she wants them to meet and become friends.


whoareyouindisworld

Lol she is probably like you think im like her?


spaghettisabel

Lol really. I was like… they’re Asian and they’re named Jennifer?


Mention-It-ALL

>Jenny's first impressions of Jen must have not been great. All that yelling and talking about her vagina. Yeah, if it was me I would have been thinking WTF did I just get myself into?


aimeerolu

I am curious about your opinions how they likely pronounce their last name. I assume they prounounce it “Win.” Basing this on knowing other people with the last name of Nguyen and how it is pronounced (at least in Utah).


whoareyouindisworld

Yeah for my non-Viet friends I just saw New-win. I'm from California by the way. But the correct way it's pronounced is Ngwien (it's kinda hard to spell actually).


lezlers

Im a public defender and one of my favorite memories was watching some blowhard old white judge actually arguing with my Vietnamese client about how to pronounce his own name. Is was peak cringe. I felt the need to apologize for white people in general when it was over.


thereisnttime

I know they’re the favourites but I find Heather and Whitney to be too scripted, and the ‘perfection’ story is a good example. Heather’s trying to sell this story of a woman trying to become more independent and free but it’s like she’s already become that person and is trying to reenact it for the camera


blurrylulu

Whitney is cringe for me. That talking head of her imitating robotic sex was…. YIKES.


lezlers

I enjoy Whitney but was feeling kind of bad when it became apparent how much of her self worth seems to be dependent on men finding her sexually desirable. You’ve been married over 10 years, have two kids and your own business. You should not be in a near panic because your husband is “only” banging you 2-3 times a week.


lezlers

I know a Duy who pronounced his name Dewey when he introduced himself to me but it could just be for my benefit since I’m white.


gonoles16

Why is Heather begging Jen for a friendship? Strange. Wish Heather had the same energy as her confessionals when she was face to face with Jen.


DryWhiteWhine13

Just came here too say Meredith is one of the most beautiful HWs by far. And I love her confidence and poise.


leaveinsilence

* Who gives couture away? Sell it. Do you think the producers make a point of shooting these scenes in Jen's closet for future reference? * A moment for Mary perpetuating that trash idea that women are dirty/fishy. * I still maintain that Brooks is a twat who fully deserved his own ass being handed to him last year, but hats off to Meredith for her devotion. * Poor Jennie fully zoning out at the Shahlet. Her kids are the true stars of the show. Any dude who asks his SO to be stay-at-home is a red flag in my book, especially with the nagging to have more kids -_- * Look at Whitney's shlubby husband telling her it's her fault their sex life has dampened when she's out there asking for more.. * Very disappointed in Heather, Jen handed her the perfect out: "yes, you know what, maybe it's best we go our separate ways." #Justiceforchurros * I found it super interesting that they would namedrop a designer brand...only to mention that it's too expensive ("put the purse down") Has that happened before? It seemed like a weird glitch in the Housewives matrix..


w_love235

Admittedly those comments Brooks made re: Jen’s vagina last season were gross and unnecessary but that’s when you take it up with Meredith, not take cheap shots on social media.


Breaktheice28

I’m gonna say this…I like Mary more 🙊 like a lot 😂 she’s makes me laugh and she’s so weird but that’s what I like about her. Jenny seems like a great casting choice to her family is cute and I can see her coming into her own by the end of the season. Lisa introducing her to Jen is odd Whitney is funny her acting out that sex act was hilarious 😂 Heather why is she being so forgiving of Jen 🤷🏻‍♂️ Jen is so delusional and I can’t wait for Meredith to drag her 💀


MAXMEEKO

Urg hayu hasnt uploaded this episode or potomac yet


invalidsquircle

Lisa texting while driving on snowy roads made me a bit sick.


Forward-Purchase

I cannot watch a whole season of Jen defending her homophobic comments with “well if he just hadn’t said something bad about my vagina!!”. Am I crazy or was she screaming “Grinder, grinder, grinder” at Brooks with her legs in the air during the vagina scene?! Why was she saying that phrase? Seems to me that phrase combined with the inappropriate nudity is what upset Brooks, rightfully so. I really hope the other women do not let her get away with this. Looks like Lisa will be letting us down though.


LocallySourcedWeirdo

Far be it for me to defend Jen Shah, but I assumed her shouts of 'grinder!' while kicking was related to the coffee grinder dance move: [https://youtu.be/VqlXRGz6jNk](https://youtu.be/VqlXRGz6jNk) . I took dance as a kid, and maybe I'm extending Jen too much credit assuming that she also took dance lessons.


JoBrosHoes93

I was so afraid Heather was gonna let Jen not apologize… but she didn’t. I’m glad. Whitney was right tho about the curling iron


Roxxxynandrews

Jen and Whitney’s husband both stand out to me as people who are very aware the cameras are present.


hookman48

Anyone else getting an Austen-esque vibe from Stu-Chains? No? Just me? That winter wonderland scene looked very similar to him.


No_Investigator_6077

So...I like Heather the best. I think she is very authentic and an all around good person. Whitney is beautiful. But I find her relationship with her husband very odd. They simply do not seem to go together at all...and her confessional about her sex life (while amusing) was T.M.I. We are viewers at home...but she does have a family and step children that will view this...and if she wants to be taken seriously as a business woman she might want to tone it down a bit. Lisa Barlowe reminds me a lot of Dorit. Both profess to be good and involved mothers but all I see is self involvement. Jen Shah..you are a viewer's delight but a real case study in DELUSIONAL grandeur. No insight whatsoever.


Luxurydeals365

I also felt shocked at the “we need to have passionate sex every night of the week.” Like I know everyone has their own dynamics but I guess I assumed it was natural for things to kind of ebb and flow….


No_Investigator_6077

It was cringe worthy. Ick!


lezlers

No one over the age of 30 that’s been married 10 years wants to have sex every day. That’s…not normal. Not that it’s bad but practically panicking about it? Someone needs therapy.


Luxurydeals365

Yeah I worry that she feels that her sexuality is the only thing she brings to the marriage, which I don’t think is the case.


shesasonrisa

Just started the episode and I am just SICK seeing Jen’s closet full of fucking designer shit and more shoes than any person needs, and it’s all bought with STOLEN money from elderly people. 🤮🤮🤮


Forward-Purchase

Mary’s scenes are so damn entertaining.