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Pope Francis: Rigidity in the church ‘is a sin against the patience of God’

Pope Francis: Rigidity in the church ‘is a sin against the patience of God’

Opening-Citron2733

I wonder what his definition of "rigidity" is and how it gels with 1 Corinthians 15:58 >Therefore, my beloved brothers, be firm, steadfast, always fully devoted to the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain.


V_Dumb_Comment_V

His definition of rigidity is probably similar to the rigidity we see from the Pharisees in the Gospel, who thought they pleased God through hollow acts of the old law, but lacked the new law of charity.


Opening-Citron2733

The difference between now and the gospel is the Son of God hasn't come back down to earth to establish any new laws tho.


V_Dumb_Comment_V

No, He just established a magisterium and a Supreme pontiff


GregsJam

That's not what he means by rigidity


Opening-Citron2733

What does he mean then?


GregsJam

>"There is much resistance to overcome the image of a church rigidly divided between leaders and subordinates, between those who teach and those who have to learn, forgetting that God likes to overturn positions. Walking together discovers horizontality rather than verticality as its line.”


Opening-Citron2733

He's got a point there. But I feel like "rigidity" is a weird way to describe that


tastypasta18

I don’t want to interpret his words uncharitably or contrary to his intention, and I’m a bit confused on what he means when he constantly criticizes “rigidity.” I really hope it doesn’t mean uncompromising fidelity to God’s commandments as laid out in Scripture and interpreted by Tradition and the Magisterium.


V_Dumb_Comment_V

The Pharisees wished to please God through the old law, building a wider and wider fence of rules around the old law. For example, they criticized the apostles for not washing their hands before eating, even though the old law only prescribed this for temple sacrifices. Meanwhile, they lacked charity in their hearts for God and neighbor. Thus, their rigid interpretation of God's will was not God's will at all, and their false piety availed them nothing.


GregsJam

Rest assured that that is not what it means. It's actually elaborated on a bit in the article: >"There is much resistance to overcome the image of a church rigidly divided between leaders and subordinates, between those who teach and those who have to learn, forgetting that God likes to overturn positions. Walking together discovers horizontality rather than verticality as its line.” >“The pastors walk with the people, sometimes ahead of them, sometimes in the middle, sometimes behind,” he said. “Ahead to guide, in the midst to encourage and not forget the smell of the sheep, behind because the people have a ‘nose,’ the nose to find new ways for the journey or to find again the lost path.” But in terms of having “a nose,” Francis said, “we should remember that we are all sheep with respect to the Shepherd, who is the Lord.” The rigidity he's criticising is primarily clericalism and supposing that only clergy have a valid voice in the Church.


truthhypedup

Let’s hope his focus on “rigidity” will be the same as the heretics in Germany.


Cult_of_Civilization

We need to get over the fact that these standards are more like a weapon aimed exclusively at one "side" of the Church while the Holy Father ignores far bigger problems. Pointing out the hypocrisy doesn't have an effect on the Church's enemies. They know it's hypocritical. They don't care. This is about power, not justice or charity.


PMacha

What does he mean by "rigidity"? Vague words and terms are tools used by those seeking to cause confusion, not unity.


GregsJam

It's actually elaborated on a bit in the article: "There is much resistance to overcome the image of a church rigidly divided between leaders and subordinates, between those who teach and those who have to learn, forgetting that God likes to overturn positions. Walking together discovers horizontality rather than verticality as its line.” “The pastors walk with the people, sometimes ahead of them, sometimes in the middle, sometimes behind,” he said. “Ahead to guide, in the midst to encourage and not forget the smell of the sheep, behind because the people have a ‘nose,’ the nose to find new ways for the journey or to find again the lost path.” But in terms of having “a nose,” Francis said, “we should remember that we are all sheep with respect to the Shepherd, who is the Lord.” The rigidity he's criticising is primarily clericalism and supposing that only clergy have a valid voice in the Church.


2001hardknocks

He participates in clericalism all the time though. The TC event demonstrated that clearly. Even if the decision was right, it was a textbook example of clericalism: a top down decision to heavily restrict something that the laity desire. Is clericalism good or bad?


GregsJam

That's not a fair assessment. Try to view the holy father's decisions as best as you can. He moved much of the decision making to the level of the local Bishop, who (in theory) best knows the needs of his flock, whether or not it is what they want. Opposing clericalism doesn't mean denying the Pope and the Bishops have responsibility for and authority over us (otherwise it would be a heresy). He's not making the Church a democracy.


explorerintown

> He moved much of the decision making to the level of the local Bishop, Unless the bishop wants to give a newly ordained priest the permission to celebrate the EF or establish new parishes for which he should ask Rome.


YWAK98alum

Thank you, Holy Father. I presume that this means that we should not be rigid in our interpretation or implementation of *Traditionis Custodes*.


GregsJam

This is written like it's a gotcha, but the truth is just, yes it does mean that


ewheck

Pope Francis's constant use of that term with little to no explaination reminds me a lot of [this video](https://youtu.be/zxRgaNb7Rr4).


hasbeenstillcatholic

Maybe rigidity doesn't mean tradition in this case? Who knows anymore though.


StyleAdmirable1677

He has a genuine genius for statements that resist parsing and analysis. What does "rigidity" mean in this context. We can guess but we do not know.