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stop posting libleft cringe here pls

stop posting libleft cringe here pls

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Every single time a sub is for leftists and/or about how cringe the right is: "Noooooooooo democrats are actually leftists!!!! Biden so based!!!!! AOC my queen!!! Noooooooooo! Being against Biden is being a Trump simp!!!! Nooooooooo!!! You can't compare both neoliberal parties as what they actually are!!!!! That's centrism or ableism or something I don't even know what it means!!! Noooooooooooooooooooo you can't call me Blue MAGA nooooooooooooooooooooo!!! Only America exists!!!!! Other countries don't matter because they are privileged because I say so!!! Nooooooooooooo!!!"


Xx_SigmaZ_xX

Straight to the point man.


TNTiger_

\> LibLeft Ok PCM reject


KlapauciusNuts

Leftist libertarianism is actually a real political term that defines a group of ideologies like anarchism, anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, georgism...


TNTiger_

No I am very much aware, rather, OP is mocking said so-called 'Liblefts', revealing that they got their political education from r/PoliticalCompassMemes They are definitely real.


AdministrationSoft92

Maybe "LibLeft" is easier to say than left libertarianism. Maybe don't immediately judge?


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Liberal as Free Market Apologist, dude


ceilingfan

Wow what a dick. Class shaming in a communist sub?


TNTiger_

Op or me?


Dead_Squirrel_6

At this point in American history, everything is communism…


joltir2

*anarcho-communism and council communism has entered the chat*


daedon_the_great

Marginally more acceptable


itisSycla

marginally. at least there was an attempt


ShadowStryk3r

Anarcho communism will just end up purged by authlefts after a successful revolution. Additionally, a strong central authority is needed to collect in distribute resources, which is against the principles of anarchism.


DogsOnWeed

The question I have to anarchists is - if you don't believe in central authority then how do you stop other groups from having their own? I.e. anarchism is self defeating. Either you suppress their freedom of centrally organising, at which point YOU are the "authoritarian", or you give then that freedom and you end up being subjected to the state.


ShadowStryk3r

Well said.


SSR_Id_prefer_not_to

well put, this really makes it clear that it's the other side of a coin (sounds very state-of-nature/liberal; because I could imagine the only "rational" argument back to your critique would be something like "well everyone should just be anarchists and deny the construction of a state," which as others note, doesn't seem like a sustainable option lol)


DogsOnWeed

Anarchists: "my ideology works when everyone agrees with ME! It's so simple!" Me: "tanks rolling out"


DrawnbyHigHeisler

Anarchism is a stupid edgelord pipe dream, full stop.


ShadowStryk3r

Anarchism is for idiots who never outgrew the rebellious teenager phase.


DogsOnWeed

Saying "fuck you" to mum and dad wasn't enough, so now they say it to everything.


itisSycla

We are on the same side on that one chief


violetinchains

whats wrong with anarcho communism? lol


RuskiYest

Well, they can't really fight off imperialists. In post capitalism system, there wouldn't be any problem with them, but there is right now.


DogsOnWeed

Not only are they innefective at fighting imperialism, they sabotage anti-imperialist nations and sabotage socialism.


__Not__the__NSA__

The ‘anarcho’ part.


violetinchains

got it, communists don’t like anarchists. will keep in mind


ShadowStryk3r

It goes against the principles of communism. You need a strong central authority to collect and distribute resources accordingly, which requires large logistic, census, and bureaucratic infrastructure.


violetinchains

but anarcho communism exists, and many different ideas of communism exist. it’s more nuanced I think


ShadowStryk3r

Anarcho communism exists, but that doesn't mean it's good.


violetinchains

alright lol


mc_k86

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm ……..A lot.


joltir2

Not saying there's something wrong with it, just pointing out that it's a libertarian left variation of communism


DogsOnWeed

There's also the candy land version of communism, and a cream cake version of communism, and a sugar bomb version of communism, and a pink icecream version of communism.


joltir2

If it's an alternative to capitalism and Stalinism, I'm down


DogsOnWeed

Stalinism is just Marxism-Leninism applied to Russia's historical context. So it's pretty meaningless to use it anywhere else.


mc_k86

Comrade, for gods sake just stop arguing with them it’s against the rules and you are really really not doing a great job lol They’re literally PCM detritus and you are losing an argument against them 😂 You are on the right track comrade but go read some more theory, you clearly need it. Tip: Stalinism literally doesn’t exist. It’s just called Marxism-Leninism.


DogsOnWeed

How am I losing the argument here, please enlighten me.


joltir2

It is a political ideology, it's used in context to Stalin Soviet rule because that is the basis of the ideology. Stalin himself said he was Marxist-leninist but you can't sit there and tell me what he was doing was Marxist-leninism. You can Google it yourself, it's on the very top left corner of the political compass


DogsOnWeed

Political compass lol... You know that's just a meme right? Communism is neither left nor right, it's a force of history. Left and right are just simplified abstractions. Communists are the real "centrists" because communism is the will of the people through a party. Most of the time it happens to fall under what you would call "left", but not necessarily always.


joltir2

1) the political compass is a perfectly fine system, it simplifies political ideology, it's perfect for people trying to find their ideology 2) communism is not centrist because that doesn't make sense in the context of political ideology, I agree communism is the natural will of the people but that doesn't change how ideology functions 3) communism falls under left 100% of the time, to be left wing is to be against the free market, communism specifically does not like the free market


DogsOnWeed

You know who else is against the "free-market"? The far right. Also the centrists, and the left, and most of the right.


Spicy_Pilipili

Butthurt cringe AnComs in the comments in 5-4-3-2-1….


lenyxlol

bedtime and homework are authoritarian abuses enforced by unjustified hierarchies. you disagree? red fascist 🤬


DogsOnWeed

"Fuck you mum and dad"


Huda_Jama_Boom_Room

The word "lib" *is* in the name, after all.


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Keep telling yourself


Capitalisticdisease

Pics or it never happened


Dear-Baker3177

What the hell has the "lib left" done to improve workers conditions


cswexler

Weekends and child labor laws were won by lib left workers unions like the IWW. Idk about you but my life is better for not having to work 7 days a week for 12hrs a day. On top of that there are mutual aid groups like Mutual Aid Disaster Relief, and Food Not Bombs. There's also the mutual aid work done by SRA chapters across the US organized through the team work of both MLs and anarchists. Reddit posting that people outside your specific tendency are cringe and will be purged anyway helps fucking nobody. Organizing across tendencies to do shit does.


DirtyHomelessWizard

Rule 7 gulag for you