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Many Japan firms hesitant to push their employees to receive COVID-19 vaccine

Many Japan firms hesitant to push their employees to receive COVID-19 vaccine

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wrldruler21

>It is also legally required that special care be given so that unvaccinated people will not suffer workplace discrimination or any other forms of disadvantageous treatment Tldr


twohammocks

Customers are leery of going to businesses where employees aren't vaccinated, right? I know I will feel safer visiting places (eg restaurants) and spending money at places that have a mandatory vaccination policy..


Dyz_blade

I feel like They’re also more likely to wear masks conscientiously as a culture/society tho as well to protect the health of those around them.


angelorphan

Um here in Japan,many of vaccinated are still wearing masks,me included.At least here in Tokyo,most of people startled when we see unmasked people.(Even with "vaccinated"badge,because of delta) Tokyo is doing vaccination program for young people,without reservation.yesterday was second day,I've read there were 1300 people in line,1000 could not get vaccinated. (I might fix this as this is past 3AM,half asleep)


diplodonculus

How has that worked out for them so far?


Dyz_blade

Quite well considering the amount of deaths they have (or haven’t) had and how far we are into the pandemic, the recent post- Olympics bump in their numbers are another story they kind of did that one to themselves by continuin with the games. But for such a densely populated place they have done quite well.


angelorphan

As “we,”Thanks for compliments but vaccines program is not going well. Many young people (I’m not young)are desperately searching vaccine site on twitter.


Dyz_blade

Yes I heard you had some challenges (the Moderna contamination for the batches sent to Japan made in Spain was an unfortunate and significant impact to your vaccine supply chain) that set you back a bit with vaccination efforts it sounds like, i was reading this week that japan is at something like 50% or so of adults. Is there a significant group of people in Japan that also don’t want the vaccine for various reasons like here in the states or is this mostly due to being hard to find an available spot to get the vaccine (vaccine availability vs vaccine hesitancy)?


angelorphan

The Moderna contamination is the only most recent challenge.(This is accident,not fucked up) From my family experience,The problem is vaccine availability.we were eager to be vaccinated,2 of family member in 20's fell in very priority group,(public nurse and immunocompromised,-they are different sister's daughter)Only one could get vaccinated early was public nurse.(rightly) These days,people in 20's,30's are dying in Tokyo.They are likely not vaccinated,but not anti-vaxxer.unless they are extremely lucky,had lots of free time,people in 20's or 30's could not vaccinated in July or August.(I fell in lucky side as 50's)


Dyz_blade

Are the hospitals able to keep up with the sick patients?


angelorphan

Nope,people are told to stay at home. Some of victims were found at home.


Dyz_blade

Wow that’s wild! I was just reading about the hospital policy put in place, it sounds like suga is limiting the people that can go to hospital while it makes sense that not very ill people should go it loooks like the positive test rate there is super high (20% of people tested positive as of early august when it’s that high I means they’re not testing enough people). we have an issue with our hospitals where I am as well but it’s different in nature because so many severely ill people are in the hospitals the hospitals are running out of room and staff to help and are cancelling surgeries unless they have to happen (electives). I see what you mean about mis management of the pandemic from your leadership. It also looks like the vaccination rate is picking up though even if hard to get a shot right now. For example in our little state we have the same number of deaths as all of the country of Japan but we have only 1/12th of the population it’s a very strange time to be living n this world.


angelorphan

Right? :( it's so scary to live here.Population is very dense.I wonder why (yes,It's because LDP)we cannot do it right.(Instead we are doing so many things wrong)We are not contact tracing anymore.By doing stupid Olympic,we invited extra Lambda variant,strained hospital capacity.


diplodonculus

Deaths are irrelevant to your point about masks. Masks are supposed to prevent infection. Clearly that hasn't been working very well. Japan is at 22k daily infections now.


Dyz_blade

Eh I mean ok sure, Death is a subset of infections you can’t have a covid death without an infection. it decreases viral load by decreasing the amount your exposed to which is a factor in case severity as well ie death. if you look at infections those spiked after they foolishly (imo) hosted the olympics- delta variant is now in wide circulation so places that did well before are even being hit has a higher viral load and is more contagious (see New Zealand for example). Masks don’t eliminate infections they decrease them. It’s not really rocket science here, in spite of their current spike comparatively speaking with someplace that has a less consistent mask adoption in the west.. Their population is akin to that of Mexico, in a much smaller land mass, their numbers compared to the most populous state in the US (which has had spotty mask adoption culturally) their numbers look better then either of these places. California being only a fraction in population has substantially more cases. So yeah I’d say they’re doing pretty well considering the circumstances.


diplodonculus

All I'm saying is that vaccines are still necessary, even with a culture that cooperates and an inclination towards wearing masks.


Dyz_blade

Absolutely, I completely agree. It’s a crucial part of the solution to our situation globally.


angelorphan

Masks differs viral loads? Sorry about my 3AM brain. (Edit by non-3AM brain.I meant,reducing viral load works both ways.My reply became too long because of frustration towards Japanese government.sorry)


diplodonculus

Yes, almost certainly. But that doesn't seem to be sufficient. Look at the case numbers in Japan, where masks are ubiquitous. They help. But not enough to be the only solution.


angelorphan

Of course young people need vaccines.Japanese governments screw up.It's not like they don't want to be vaccinated (There are stupid anti-vaxxeres here too though).There are not enough vaccines here. (Edit:Me being Japanese and fully vaccinated flare,being developed country,may cause misunderstanding,as people on Reddit tend to be young.I'm 55 yrs old with pre-existing condition,hurried to be get vaccinated like hell.My ward (One of Tokyo 23 wards)did good vaccination programs for over 50's.It led Government's vaccination supply much less "because of fast progress"! This shows how fucked up current situation is. This situation is beyond my English ability.My ward's official website candidly says "Government doesn't give us vaccine!".I think It's true from what I saw.)


69CoonHunter69

Japan not letting the world down. Need someone with balls to step up to the plate.


Stiggy_771

Japan is totally different. They wear masks during Sakura season ( I think ) and are not whiny about their made up rights and freedom I'm pretty sure most if not all will take the vaccine


Natybob

They're an extremely vaccine hesitant country. Whatever Reddit thinks they do with masks won't change that.


Stiggy_771

Holy crap I did not know that. Having lived there and having experienced their strict adherence to rules and regulations I assumed they would just be open to a government backed vaccine


Natybob

From what I know they've had bad experiences with vaccines before, and it's created a collective fear.


Susurrus03

I keep seeing people say that but they're at 56% first dose and still doing a million doses a day with high demand, and I know people waiting for their chance, so I'm not really sure where that is coming from.


imaginary_num6er

Yes, some people wear masks during pollen season during the spring since they do get a lot of pollen every year. Even then, most people traditionally don't wear masks during the summer months


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