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Clearly the only way to shoot down a Jet

Clearly the only way to shoot down a Jet

Peaurxnanski

The first explanation isn't actually a terrible description of what's called an "energy attack", which was a tactic used on all sides of the conflict, against targets of all types, including jets, bombers, and piston driven fighters. It was extremely effective and probably more importantly, a very "safe" attack method, that made it very difficult for the enemy to attack you back, since you had a massive speed advantage on him and just continued your dive after the attack to open range, and then converted it into an "energy climb" which allowed you to climb back up to altitude quickly using the momentum gained in the dive, reset, and repeat your attack. To those gamers out there, give it a try next time you're flying in War Thunder. You can dominate using that tactic. But yeah, "camping" on an enemy airfield isn't exactly a tactic I would suggest is very survivable. Just because Chuck Yeager shot down a jet in final approach doesn't mean that was a super common tactic. It was simply a target of opportunity.


NoGiCollarChoke

They didn’t “camp” at airfields per se, but hanging around looking for jets to ambush on final was actually a pretty common tactic amongst the British for a while, dubbed “the Rat Scramble” until Jerry got wise to it and started lining approaches to the airfield with AAA, and after a week went by with high losses, the RAF forbade pilots from doing it


Unfieldedmarshall

Problem though is if your plane climbs like a brick. _Looking at you F6F-5N_ But you're correct though. Some planes there fits for that tactic.


The_Konigstiger

To be fair, the 5N has so much Dakka that it's not much of a problem. Plus you almost get a lead indicator, which is extremely fun for whoever finds themselves in front of you.


Unfieldedmarshall

That's the reason I still grind that plane. The Radar and the guns are neat. But i still don't know how to handle being jumped on by fighters from above. And turn fighting them is out of the question too.


The_Konigstiger

I find that that weight is both a hindrance and an advantage: all that energy you build up never goes away. I normally try and drag people down with it, bleed their energy, and then thrash them. Or pilot snipe them with the radar.


Unfieldedmarshall

Nice. I'll keep that in mind next time.


The_Konigstiger

Or if you look up how pilots used it historically, I find that really helps too.


the_noobface

5N has barely more dakka than the D-30 and is only 1 BR lower, and the D-30 is fast, turns decently, and climbs well.


CumpfortheFatherland

Oh yeah anyone with a basic understand of air combat knows to get above the enemy to build up energy then dive on them. they even use that as a tactic when flying aircraft for PVP in GTA Online. Also there were other points that I couldn't fit on this shitpost, such as the P-47 being better suited for picking off aircraft on the runway since it has more guns and uses a radial engine. Or how the IX Air Force would be better suited for loitering over airfields since they were based out of France.


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What makes a radial engine more suitable for this kind of tactic?


CumpfortheFatherland

The radial is air cooled so the engine won't die if it gets damaged as easily.


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Nice


Peaurxnanski

There's more to it than that, but that's definitely an aspect of it. A liquid cooled engine takes damage to the radiator, it's fucked eventually once it overheats. But the radial engine takes damage and keeps on ticking in other ways. Because of the way they're designed, as long as the central hub of the engine stays in tact, you can blow off half the engine and the rest of the engine will keep running. If you think of an inline engine as a, say, 12 cylinder engine, think of a radial engine more like 12 individual one cylinder engines, all joined together in a central hub. In an inline, if one cylinder locks up, the entire engine locks up. In a radial, each cylinder more or less doesn't give a shit what the other cylinders are up to. I mean, if your 12 cylinder engine suddenly becomes an 8 cylinder engine, you're not really in great shape, but it's still 8 more cylinders than none. All of this is an oversimplification, but it gives you the general idea.


jmack18

I love the "they camped airfields" oh so just like how easy 8's camped factories and carriers camped dry docks?


HereCreepers

I mean at the end of the Pacific War the US navy was basically spawncamping the Japanese navy but yeah lol.


STula123

“A blockade is basically just spawncamping a country. It’s super OP.” - Salty Japanese Admiral, 1945


MaxMakarov

The Ta 152 was criminally underused against the ‘stangs, first off. Also, why is spawn camping not a legitimate tactic? If it works, do it.


Terran_Dominion

Back then, because early warning radar ensured the fights would happen away from airfields. The resources needed to have constant loitering over a single airfield would be a massive waste when you could just bomb it. Today, that's saying you want to spawncamp a SAM.


CumpfortheFatherland

How would the Ta-152 help against the mustang? wasn't it a high altitude interceptor like the Me-262 was used? I think that if they're just guarding an airfield the FW-190A would be just as good since it's not going to fly at high altitudes where it will lose performance from the forced air induction.


MaxMakarov

The Ta 152 could theoretically loiter at high altitude and catch the P-51’s before they attempted to dive on the jets during their takeoff runs. Not only could they have done this but they did do this towards the end of the war, albeit not much because the Ta 152 was such a rare machine. It’s so sexy, too. I made a whole subreddit about it. r/Ta152


igoryst

all late war german planes look... *exotic* ​ but the Ta 152 was a genuinely good plane


Cybermat47_2

Weren't most 262 pilots the best remaining German pilots?


CumpfortheFatherland

No on the contrary prop fighter pilots were better trained since they were intended to dogfight other fighters. All the 262 did was shoot at bombers. Edit: Why am I getting downvoted? If you shoot at a bomber it's completely brainless, they fly in a straight line you just need to know how to get your plane aimed at them and how to take off and land in order to shoot down a bomber. If you're flying against an enemy fighter you need to learn how to outmanuever them so you can get a shot on them without them shooting at you. There's a reason why every plane game ever focused on fighters against fighters.


Marvynwillames

the 8th Fighter Command actually had to ask the pilots to stop trying to chase jets, because doing this means their main mission, protecting bombers, is at risk.


KatnissAladeen

I refuse to jump into the rabbit hole of War Thunder gameplay balancing


flopperflop

B B BUT I KILLED A P51 IN A ME-262 IN WAR THUNDER!!!!!