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Trails On The Go

Trails On The Go

Scoogs50

This is genuinely the reason I want a Steam Deck.


LordLyciaX

Not to mention it will also play any other trails game, and supports modding.


Scoogs50

Yeah I'm looking forward to checking out any mods that interest me.The plan is to hopefully finish the Trails in the Sky trilogy by the time Crossbell comes out on console too.


LordLyciaX

If you're going through Sky right now, and don't already have it, you can mod in the (Japanese) voice acting, evo music, and/or evo portraits. Personally recommend the voices and evo portraits minus the status screen ones. In my opinion, some of the evo tracks aren't as good as the originals, but you can mix and match them, but that does require sitting through both sets of tracks. As for Crossbell, if 2022 and 2023 is too far for you, feel free to message me and I can help with that. Buy Zero from [DLSite](https://www.dlsite.com/soft/work/=/product_id/VJ009178.html) (50% off atm) and Azure from [Joyoland](https://geofront.esterior.net/2020/06/30/trails-to-azure-now-available-to-purchase-via-paypal-on-joyolands-website/). I also have the voices, evo music, and evo sfx for them.


Scoogs50

Between not having a ton of free time and a big backlog already, I'm gonna be putting Trails on the back-burner for a little while. Thanks for the offer though, I'll be sure to hit you up if need be.


Melforce888

As for me, i only add the voice. I dislike the evo art, og is much better.


Davidson_e7

I am tempted with the offer, but i got the psp versions in the case of i can't wait. I am in the middle of Sky 3rd, but maybe after this one i will go play some tales games and wait of the official Zero, maybe...


LordLyciaX

Well, if you don't mind waiting for 2022 Zero and then waiting for 2023 Azure, sure. Also, does the PSP version have an English patch you can apply? Also lacks the additional voice acting (assuming you mod in voice files on the Geofront PC version). Anyways, after Sky 3rd you *can* play Cold Steel 1 and 2 since the two recommended play orders are either release order, or putting CS1 and CS2 before Crossbell since you get spoilers for CS1 and CS2 in Crossbell, and vice versa. Although I imagine the spoilers in CS1 and CS2 might be heavier? I'm only on Azure myself at the moment, so I can't say from experience, just what I've picked up from the community.


Davidson_e7

Well, the psp versions are both translated, but certainty your version is a better translation since is using geofont. I will try after sky, if i feel that is too bad then i ask you for the patchs...


djentbat

This was legit the first thought I had. Finally a machine that can play all of them.


JamesSDK

If I didn't already have all the Trails games on Vita + Switch it would have been a no brianer for me as well. I still think I will pick one up in the future because it looks like a handheld emulation beast.


MrPhamas

Currenrly just started the series and im on second chapter rn. Would love to the play rest portable if possible


acewing905

There are so many handheld PCs out there that can run Trails in the Sky already. So in that sense, the Steam Deck isn't a big deal. But it is certainly quite attractively priced. (Though I strongly recommend against the base 64 gig model.)


ShakethatYam

I would recommend against the middle one. Either get the base and swap out the SSD/use SD card, or just go for the largest storage and upgraded screen.


acewing905

Even the fastest SD cards are absolutely awful in terms of speed, so avoid the 64 gig unless you're absolutely sure you're upto the task of installing a new SSD on this thing. The official stance is "not user serviceable" so actually doing that is likely to be a pain. On the top end, there's no upgraded screen. Just "Premium anti-glare etched glass" with the exact same panel underneath. That said, this is still a far better bet than the 64 gig one.


ShakethatYam

[It was reported that the demo units were running games off an SD card.](https://www.techspot.com/news/90495-steam-deck-games-play-great-off-sd-card.html) So, it should not be a huge issue; just slightly slower load times.


acewing905

Of course games can run off SD cards. The problem is with their speed, if you intend to play modern games without waiting through painfully long load screens. As far as I know, IGN has not provided any statistics in this regard. So I wouldn't take this to mean anything. (Further, as games start making use of tech such as Directstorage, it wouldn't be limited to just loading)


silverstory

Agreed. I was looking into the onexplayer. But indigogo is already closed.


LegendOfAB

It's hard to overstate how much the Steam Deck appears to crush everything that came before it. It *looks* like a very well balanced and powerful (also incredibly flexible) machine. Even in aspects where the Deck seems to be inferior to something like the Onexplayer, screen resolution for example, it's actually *better* because if you dig a bit deeper, you see that the [Onexplayer apparently struggles to play games at its native resolution because of a weak IGPU.](https://www.pcgamer.com/onexplayer-handheld-pc-performance-gaming-review/#section-gaming) Coincidentally, that review even recommends setting games to 1280x800, which happens to be the Deck's native resolution. And of course Onexplayer is vastly more expensive. For waaay less.


silverstory

Let them duke it and will wait until I can test it on my own maybe at Best Buy once it is popular enough. Will always wait for reviews and until linux gaming is really comparable with windows gaming.


LegendOfAB

And being a fully open portable PC, you can just dump Windows on it with no hassle. Straight from the mouth of Valve. Like I said, flexible. They've also stated a plan to have 100% compatibility on linux by the time it launches, but that was more of a wish than a guarantee so far. Of course no need to rush into a purchase though. Before we see how reliable the hardware is. And dat battery.


silverstory

True. People need to lower their expectations as I game in linux and I know it isn't that easy to tweak lot of things. I've tries Persona 4 golden and I need to install this and that. Sometimes it works, sometimes it won't. Gamers really need to check.the protondb site. If their 1000+ games are native or atleast platinum then it is great. But rated Gold or below, need some tweaking here and there.


kapparoth

Yes, 100 % compatibility is an extremely tall order, especially for Steam's huge and largely uncurated library. It should be taken with a cartload of salt in order not to get disappointed. I think that the only way Valve can get within shooting distance to such a goal would be striking a deal with Microsoft and getting access to the DirectX source code (and thus developing a proprietary fork of Wine, complete with all the shitshow that ensues). On the brighter side, the Sky games already run on Proton pretty well, and even the Cold Steel ones can be made to run once the video codecs have been installed using Winetricks.


Ynairo

Even though I have zero need for a portable console/PC, I still follow the development of these new devices (gpd win, aya neo, oneX, etc) out of curiosity, just to see how much power they can put into that tight TDP limit, and I'm looking forward to that rdna2 + lpddr5 memory. The memory is usually the biggest bottleneck for these APUs, so surely steam Deck will have a large advantage over everything else.


kapparoth

Crowdfunded hardware tends to turn up a failure, though. Remember Ouya?


catalyst44

> (Though I strongly recommend against the base 64 gig model.) they said all steamdecks have the same motherboard so you can just put in another SSD


TheDankestReGrowaway

The base model does not use an SSD, and they've already recommended against swapping out the SSD for models that have them, which probably has some technical reason behind it related to optimizations/motherboard selected/OS specific stuff. I'm sure someone will eventually figure why and how to get around it, but that's not something you should base recommendations on.


acewing905

To add to what others have mentioned in this regard, please note Valve's official stance on this, over here at https://www.steamdeck.com/en/tech "All models use socketed 2230 m.2 modules (not intended for end-user replacement)" As such, I will not expect it to be a very simple thing like slotting it into a standard PC mobo where there's enough space for everything.


catalyst44

It's probably one of those "Hey, if you break while trying to swap the SSD we told you not to, so there goes the warranty."


acewing905

That is likely but we can't say for sure until the product is out and someone tears one down to expose the innards. So someone who plans to order one will need to keep in mind the things that we do know and use those to make their decision: 1. The SSD will use a 2230 form factor (which is the smallest standard size for NVMe SSDs, so a good amount of well known SSDs will simply not fit) and 2. Valve themselves officially don't recommend that end users try SSD swapping, which could have many reasons If someone is fully aware of these factors, and still opt for the 64 gig, then sure.


burnpsy

Most people will not have the technical know-how to open up their device and swap the SSD.


Zergrump

Can't be any more difficult than building a PC so I'll probably be fine.


TheDankestReGrowaway

Oh, it can be if it's constructed in a way that makes it remarkably difficult to put back together or is made in a way that makes taking it apart a pain in the ass. Servicing iPads, for example, is way more of a hassle than servicing a desktop.


catalyst44

Most tech shops where you can buy SSDs have the option of installing it for you, if you bring your PC


Kalveenius

What’s wrong with the 64?


piedj784

can also run Ys IX better than switch


ShockaZuluu

Honestly this didn’t even cross my mind.. but now I want a stream deck too lol


TheDankestReGrowaway

This all depends on the Steam deck's ability to suspend games. Trails games, particularly later ones, would be terrible on the go without that ability, as you finish a boss fight on the train ride, but then you're stuck in a 30+ minute long cut scene and maybe even another boss fight without the ability to save.


zephyroths

I trust them enough to be able to run Trails games. But as of now, you can't get the video cutscenes working without tinkering a bit.


Serephitus

This is exactly why I reserved one when none of my friends could understand why


richardrietdijk

I literally bought a steam deck to finish this series on the go.


SabanBronyFan

The PSVita cries in the corner.


ShadowGravity21

Real Trails fans play all Trails games on (a hacked) Vita (w/remote play). /jk


paradoxez

Cries in Australia. Probably have to wait 2 yrs+ after launch before we can even pre-order at double price (just like the index)


How_To_TF

SEA here, I don't think it'll even reach our shores with reasonable prices, if at all


burnpsy

There are alternative devices on the market at double the price that launch before the Deck, if you're willing (Aya Neo, GPD Win 3). By which I mean it's double the minimum price of the Deck. The devices come with 1TB storage, so the difference is much smaller when compared to the Deck's 512GB model.


Killer_ninja_151

Wait we'll have to wait two years... bro


rogermay78

Imagine a remake of Sky on switch where you could smack enemies with the big stick yourself.


CutieHopps

Still not convinced. I have Vita for it


skyteria

Turbo mode!


JamesSDK

The Vita Trails In the Sky Evo Verions have Turbo Mode :)


skyteria

I did not know that. Thanks.


CutieHopps

Lol. If turbo mode was natural, it would've been in Japanese versions. Never used it. So nope, still not conviced


tarsene

Actually really good point


Divinedragn4

Vita doesn't have third tits game though. Plus the steam deck will have all of the kesiki games


CutieHopps

It does have 3rd. There is also an English patch for it


Divinedragn4

I'm not good with patches. I just want to install the game and play it in English without jumping through hoops like that


DisparityByDesign

Besides finding a modded Vita its literally just copy and pasting some files into a folder but yeah


Lololms1

I started Trails on the Sky FC on my Switch, before buying a Vita and continuing SC on there. :)


HiDk

I finished both FC and SC on the switch :)


Lololms1

:), I am tempted with the OLED Switch as I play handheld only but not being able to run CFW would be a drag.


H2O_AddictYT

I literally started The Legend of Heroes on my PSP(played most of them on PSP too), definitely see the reason to get this Steam Deck too :)


Jake4XIII

Honestly the reason i want one too


j3radw

I agree....for now. I think its only a matter of time until Sky and CS come over to the Switch (or maybe Nintendo's next console). This conversation is probably rooted in your timeline and how quickly you want to play these games on mobile.


burnpsy

Cold Steel 1 and 2 are already on Switch in Asia. It's on XSEED to license it or not (or let someone else pay for their translation to do it like with the Ys Origin port).


gnmgnt

Only reason I pre-ordered this is for all the RPGs I can't play on my switch that I bought through steam. I played the sky series through GeForce now and it was a great experience being able to play anywhere I had internet.


Vythorr

I rather wait for sky to eventually get put on the switch like the recent trails games were


trcsigmaf

I need one


WinLAX

This is literally the only reason I plan on getting it. I'll play other games on it, but nothing I have on Steam is good enough to warrant a new console purchase except Trails


BoroTungsteno

It can run the entire saga! In 2023-24..


JimmieRamone

I'd be more interested in this thing if I disnt already have a good gaming PC or traveled more/actually played portable. I dont even do that on my Switch


-Jdzspace-

The One X Player can run trails in the sky, and zero and azure from Geofront, and has 2x the memory, and will be here in a few weeks. OXP Wins :-P


Fox37

Also see GEForce Now. Just sayin’


RaIshtar

Friendly reminder not to overhype a piece of hardware we know little about, from a company with a history of releasing hardware then abandoning support for it in record time. Memes are cool, but viral marketing *is* a thing.


LegendOfAB

https://reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/oo0hx9/where_does_this_idea_that_valve_abandons_their/


Zenotha

abandoning support for it in record time? [the steam link was discontinued on the hardware side 3 years ago and is still receiving software updates to date](https://steamcommunity.com/app/353380/discussions/0/3108027565748966372/) you can see similar things for the index and the steam controller - they may have their flaws, but i would hardly call "abandoning support" for their hardware one of them the closest would be the steam machine which was hyped up but never actually became a thing that said i do agree we should be warily cautious until more reviews come up


LordLyciaX

Well aware of their track record, but I'm planning on taking the risk. Worst case scenario, I have a good portable emulator machine. Battery is definitely a concern though.


BaLance_95

Well, I think this one has a better chance for long term support, and viral marketing can help it. The Steam controller got a good amount of long term support. The others, Steam PC and link, just flopped so I really can't blame them. The Steam VR, I haven't heard much about. If this thing makes it into mainstream, and viral marketing can help, more people will buy it, making long term support more reasonable for Valve.


SoftBrilliant

Yeah, that's pretty realistic to say. Though I'll be seriously disappointed if this thing can't run Trails in the Sky of all things, TiTs runs on actual toasters nowadays, and so does any Trails game really. Even a machine with hardware as low end as a switch should be able to run sky on max settings without any issue. To boot it's not like Valve has tended to make bad hardware on launch as far as I remember... Abandonware oh yeah though.


izumiten

Trust me, it can easily run every single trails game. It’s slightly more powerful than the PS4.


Sugioh

Slightly is a bit of an understatement. The CPU is *miles* ahead of the CPU in the PS4; its IPC is at least double that of the PS4's jaguar cores. On the GPU front, playing games at 720p or close to it, it has around the same power per pixel as an xbox series x running at 4k. Memory bandwidth is also *extremely* good due to the LPDDR5, and both Zen2 and RDNA2 scale very well with memory performance. As long as your goal is running games at reasonable resolutions, it's going to play pretty much anything you want, especially if you don't feel the need to pump up graphical settings you won't notice at that resolution.


zephyroths

if you'd like to see if any games you own could work with the upcoming steamdeck, you can check [here](https://www.protondb.com/).


zephyroths

This! While I can vouch that you can run Trails games (I've played FC, SC, 3rd, and CS1 using Proton) albeit the video cutscenes aren't working out of the box, I can't say the same for the hardware


MelkorTheDarkOne

You bought a steam link didn’t you?


TheDankestReGrowaway

Steam link is amazing though, and it's still getting software updates.


maddoxprops

I did, but that was also when it was on sale for $5. Works well for what I paid. ;P


HambulanceNZ

You can tape down that turbo button.


silverstory

Absolutely true.


Accomplished_Bat_893

But so can the Vita


corvusaraneae

And you can play it Right Now!


Accomplished_Bat_893

I WAS playing it last month for nostalgia sake


VitaBoy11

Or you just take PS Vita which can run almost every Falcom games despite the last 2 Cold Steel


Awynden

Eh, still prefer PC. It's nice that it's portable and stuff, but using these tiny screens for long sessions is just awful for eyes, and Trails games are not really suited for short ones I think. Playing in e.g. hour long sessions on bus or train seems like torture from immersion standpoint, since it's kinda like reading a book.


LegendOfAB

"Awful" is that god dang 4.3 inch PSP at 480x272. Finally caught up to me while *inhaling* FC back in 2013 and I ended up playing much of the final chapter with intense eye strain. ~~BUT IT WAS WORTH IT~~ And now hopefully I can finally, comfortably, leave my room with my PC games in hand. To hang with my niece and nephew or something ;-;


marioscreamingasmr

still waiting for evo version on PC or Switch


cfs3corsair

.... you're gonna wait for looooooong time then


marioscreamingasmr

i already have the chinese versions of the sky evo trilogy on vita, but i just wanna play them on pc lol well time to take out my vita again


SoftBrilliant

It's never coming. Even Japanese re-releases today for Crossbell do not include the basically irrelevant Evo content.


marioscreamingasmr

the sky evo trilogy (at least in FC) had updated / cleaned up textures, added voicelines, updated portraits and some CG scenes. i would image only CG scenes would be missing if we do get a kai version of sky kiseki


SoftBrilliant

The textures are... Debatably better. They're mostly just way brighter and their resolution is still lower than what's on the PC version. The voice lines are already available through modding. The updated portraits are (almost) universally considered worse and there're mods to include them into the PC versions. The CG scenes are the only thing really missing I'd say people would actually want.


marioscreamingasmr

well im just in for the texture, cuz they looked brighter lol but id imagine if we do get an updated sky kiseki game, itd be remade in 3d as Falcom's prez did say that in an [interview] (https://www.gematsu.com/2020/04/falcom-interview-with-president-toshihiro-kondo-trails-series-ys-ix-monstrum-nox-coming-west-and-more) still rocking the xseed version on steam wit voice mods tho!


silverstory

Onexplayer, Gpdwin, aya neo and hopefully the big name manufacturer would bring in the handheld form factor PCs as well.


carissauce

So fucking true lol


ViralGeist_

Not even kidding, I primarily want a Steam Deck for this reason. The JRPGS are gonna be incredible. And since Nintendo sucks, I'm gonna emulate all of the old Fire Emblem games since they can't be bothered.


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zephyroths

I can say that it runs Sky FC to 3rd and CS1 well enough except for the video cutscene which you need to tinker manually by installing some packages


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LordLyciaX

Well, Steam Deck can install Windows, so that is always an option.


piedj784

I'll be honest here, installing windows(after buying it's license unless people pirate it) & then the game, is hundred times more tinkering than doing what takes no more than 2-10 minutes. And again devs will probably patch most if not all issues beforehand, since proton will be priority for windows game in steam deck.


piedj784

I've played all of them in linux & CS 3/4(along with many ys game) in steam & they work out of the box after disabling esync. And for watching the in-game 2d animated movie you've to do a little more, which I think according to steam will be done by devs after some testing with proton & you won't have to worry about it at all. Also you should see falcom games rating in protondb, its either gold or platinum.


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piedj784

Watch the video on steamdeck from steamworks, they mention how their private testing branch of proton is way ahead of current public release. And unlike before they're going to do heavy testing for game to run well bc of deck & ofcourse in the end it does rely on devs to make sure their games run well on proton. Also most of the games that has huge issues with proton is bc of easy anti cheat & such, for which valve is working with them to have it working with proton before steam deck release. Note that previously there might not have been much effort to solve this issue as soon as possible but now steam deck is perfect reason to make an effort from both


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piedj784

Steam os is basically the big picture mode that comes with steam client, steam deck uses steam os 3(with new ui) which is yet to be released and it is [confirmed](https://steamcommunity.com/groups/bigpicture/discussions/1/5167301764850695635/#c5167301764854104718) by a valve staff in steam forum that it will arrive in steam client as well(in linux, windows, mac). While it's not confirmed for proton, it's most likely that we will get them as well as soon as they become public. Edit: btw [this](https://youtu.be/5Q_C5KVJbUw) is the video I was referring earlier.


MelkorTheDarkOne

It’s literally going to launch the steam app on its own OS and you can wipe it and install windows instead of you really need it.


MaximumSubject3993

Crossbell runs on switch with geofront translate already 😊


HiDk

Yep and Trails too with PPSSPP :)


GreatDemonBaphomet

Nah dude. The steam deck is fucking dumb. Why buy a steam deck if you have a PC. And the switch has a lot of other great games that you wouldn't be able to play on a steam deck such as FE three houses which is IMO one of the greatest games of all time


TheDankestReGrowaway

>Why buy a steam deck if you have a PC To play when you're not at your PC?


GreatDemonBaphomet

sure that might be a good point. But i'm sure your not playing 24/7 are you? and you could always play something else in the mean time. If you buy a Steam deck for 650$ to have 512 GB (Which is fucking nothing) just to be able to play at the few times where you aren't at your PC and you aren't doing something else either your just wasting your money.


TheDankestReGrowaway

I'm sure that's how you feel for yourself, but I'm not sure you're in the position to tell others whether they're wasting their money or not, or how they'll play with a portable PC given you don't know what anyone's general day to day is like.


Tlux0

Wow such good taste. Nice. That’s one of my favorite games too.


izumiten

Fire Emblem Three Houses is one of my favourite games of all time too. It can easily play on the steam deck with Yuzu emulator. And it can play it much better like boost it to 60fps.


TCForumman

Can get a used switch for $125-150. If someone already has a decent laptop anyway, can run Trails games. I only see steam deck for people who don't have a decent laptop that can run comparable games OR a nintendo switch. Heck a gaming PC and steam link would still make more sense. Unless gaming on the go is paramount. I do see steam deck as being the "adult" portable gaming device. Nintendo switch is primarily targeted towards younger audiences and Nintendo freaks.


izumiten

You can run the entire switch catalog on it for free. High-end PC gpu’s alone cost more then the most expensive steam deck. Once you get a used switch, it will be more expensive in the long run having to pay for games AND inevitable new joycons.


richardrietdijk

Technically... you actually can very easily play switch games on a steam deck if you wanted to. Also, not every device is for everyone. Don't call it dumb, because it is not for you. For me it's a perfect solution. 🤷‍♂️


HiDk

Really? Didn’t you get the memo? https://imgur.com/a/LjT93BB


SoftBrilliant

If you're using the PSP version it's still inferior in every way to the PC one xD That's a failure in it of itself. Also you need to homebrew your switch to do this which is a lot of extra work for it.


HiDk

I played PC/Vita/PSP versions. They all have their merits. Being able to play it on my switch is a great + for me. Modding a V1 switch (the lite is more complex) takes literally 5 minutes and a paperclip lol


SoftBrilliant

The PSP versions are using an outdated translation, have a worse interface, and still can't play Sky 3rd. There is no merit to the PSP version in it of itself unless you want to play it portably. But the PSP version of the game itself is worse than the PC version in every way... Which the steam deck will be using.


HiDk

Which is what we are talking about, portability. And for me being able to switch freely between TV and handled is a huge plus. I don’t give a damn about comparing graphics on 2 versions of the same game that look like a Saturn game to begin with :)


TLOWraith

I’m hoping that since it’s an open platform and you can download windows on it, would let download the spreadsheet for Hajimari, Haji also comes out this august for Steam so it would certainly be nice. Tho Steam deck is a ways away.


jaylash81

Then the vita wins also


Saemaename

My phone can run it too


nekika

I'm evicted for the steam deck, but I feel like there's something off here. Hopefully when it's out it'll be as good as it sounds


OneAndOnlyKen

Thought it was gonna say switch wins lmao


TMIMeeg

I'm surprised you can't run it on a Switch. What's up with that?


MonokumaFire

This thing is gonna flop so hard.


LiveLoveLife521

Honestly I posted on here maybe a month ago about not knowing how I was gonna play Sky the 3rd and wishing it was on a console or portable system then this gets announced LOL. Only thing is that I already own digital copies of Sky FC & SC on my Vita along with physical copies of trails 1&2 on it and physical copies of 3&4 on the switch and will probably get the crossbell games on my switch as well. This is a really good option for someone that doesn’t have any of the games though super jelly about that one.


vrift

Seriously, are they paying people to post this everywhere? I see shit like this everywhere these days. The general idea of "console wars" is stupid enough, and now this? EDIT: Downvoted into oblivion, of course. I'm so sorry for not overhyping hardware by a company who failed doing the exact same thing a few years ago.


zephyroths

well it looks like a switch and *supposedly* can play all your PC games, on top of it they said you can do whatever you want with it (even installing Windows if you wish). no wonder it gets hyped even though we should held back our expectation.


dankisimo

which one can you buy today?


therealpandaman

Vita>Switch confirmed.


-Average_Joe-

I wish Falcom would port them to iOS and android. There was an announcement of a Ys8 port a couple of years back but as far as I know it is an abandoned project. So I know they are at least thinking about entering the moblie market, seems like Trails would be a good series to test the waters with.