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General Discussion: 10:00 AM Eastern, 12 October 2021

General Discussion: 10:00 AM Eastern, 12 October 2021

Chewbacca_The_Wookie

Don’t know what time the press conference will be in your time zone? Check out [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/GabbyPetito/comments/q6npnl/upcoming_press_conference_time_zones/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) to find out!


Eyeh8snow

Are ppl here seriously reporting comments?


UpvoteBecauseIcan

Everyone please keep in mind this is an active case with a real grieving family out there rn. Save your wannabe true crime writer theorycrafting to the professionals. You have no idea what you’re talking about, you’re not a detective, you’re not an fbi forensic agent, you’re not even one of the low level LE involved in the case. Been reading this sub and some of y’all need a reality check. Your weird hypothetical step by step itinerary is literally worth nothing and will do nothing at the best, and at the worst you’re stoking the flames of harassment and outcry. Just chill tf out, talk about how it makes you feel and how bad you feel for her loved ones, and let’s just see how this plays out.


hausthatforrem

Yeah, the majority of comments on this sub leave me shaking my head at best, and feeling nauseous at worst. The problem for obsessors over true crime is that, due to reality, there is a finite quantity of facts in a case, so they inevitably turn to speculation and then fabrication, which they can in turn speculate on. Subs like this are largely irrational. There just isn't enough reality to sustain them.


throwawaylol666666

You’re new here, I take it?


UpvoteBecauseIcan

Yup, and very disappointed. I just found this cause I was looking for any updates, and felt gross reading some of the comments here


JackieFrrresh

Really had to scroll to get here! Any good lives right now?


Aoibhell

Fyi- BE will be live with Jennifer Coffindaffer tonight at 9pm ET on News Nation Now. Ifnyou gwt the app, you can watch it in its entirety.


RedditBurner_5225

Jennifer was so adamant they wouldn’t release the cause of death last night lol.


Remarkable-Basis2296

I wish they had a roku app


A_Loner_A_Rebel

I think they post their segments to YouTube when they’re done


Aoibhell

I wish their app was compatible with chromecast..


xnalabeans

Not sure if this has already been asked… the coroner stated that LE obtained DNA samples from the body. If Brian’s DNA was discovered (which I’m sure it was), how can they differentiate between DNA exchange b/c of close quarters/intimacy, etc… and DNA left behind from a struggle? I know under the fingernails for sure, but seems like it would be a difficult ruling. I’m obviously not an expert here though.


Ok-Fig8419

Maybe traces of blood from scratching rather than typical something that would easily be all over the van like skin and hair?


wistfulpistil

The absence of other DNA and the presence of dna under fingers, in protective swipes in defense etc


BigBMX

Right, it helps BL if other DNA is there and hurts BL if there is only his.


LinElliotStillSucks

Perhaps it's the absence of foreign DNA?


wistfulpistil

Good analysis by an expert: Cause of Death https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/10/12/gabby-petitos-cause-of-death-characterized-by-a-lot-of-anger-towards-victim-says-forensic-pathologist.html


aspiringmom17

Did anything from the autopsy hint at whether it was premeditated or not? Can you tell that from the autopsy? I know of at least one IPV murder case where the charge was 2nd degree because the man thought he just beat the woman but didn't realize he had killed her and definitely didn't have intent to kill. Wondering if we know about intent to kill here


BigBMX

A lawyer mentioned that strangulation can be considered premeditated. Chris Watts confessed to killing his wife in a fit of rage, his daughters because they walked in (he later changed this story) but that confession lead to 5 life sentences for First Degree Murder. So it seems like it can be considered premeditated because it takes 4-6 minutes for the person to die.


wistfulpistil

Strangulation takes a lot of time like up to four minutes, it’s also very punishing and personal see my post above I’ll link it here too: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/10/12/gabby-petitos-cause-of-death-characterized-by-a-lot-of-anger-towards-victim-says-forensic-pathologist.html


Aoibhell

He was not allowed to comment on anything other than the exact manner and cause of death, other than she had been there for abput 3-4 weeks in the wilderness, prior to them finding her


Pugs1985

Premeditatation is a thought process. Nothing from the autopsy is going to tell you whether or not BL planned on killing her.


tleo8360

Strangulation is almost certainly premeditated as you have several minutes to change your mind.


boroq

No disagreement here but I'm inclined to put personal opinion aside. ultimately it only lead to unrealistic expectations (in either direction). Since the burden of proof is on the prosecutor, the prosecution team (under the US attorney gen's office since it was on federal land?) would likely decline to bring a charge lacking evidence, or it might become a bargaining chip in a plea deal. I did enough research to realize that the "strangulation = premeditation" argument rests on supporting PHYSICAL evidence. So for example, a coroner's report explicitly showing "so and so physical evidence yada yada indicates strangulation took place over the course of x minutes" -- check out paragraph 5 of "The Strangulation Study" section, page 2, [HERE](http://www.ncdsv.org/images/strangulation_article.pdf). The exam and autopsy were conducted by the Teton County WY Department of the Coroner, which has a [staff of one](https://www.tetoncountywy.gov/Directory.aspx?did=12): the coroner himself. He will also get called to testify, but whatever he says in court (and I'm not a lawyer) would be considered analytical evidence or evidence after the fact, right? If new details emerge on the stand that weren't in the autopsy report, does that stuff get thrown out? TLDR: those with pitchforks out, calling for first degree premeditated, death penalty, etc, have a LONG and likely disappointing road ahead. premeditation hinges on the coroner's report (called the "Verdict") which, [by state law](https://www.tetoncountywy.gov/258/Coroner), is released only to next of kin, although they're free to share it with the public. fingers crossed.


Mycoxadril

It honestly goes both ways. I’ve seen links posted today from reputable places that seem to indicate that. I studied this and back when I was in school strangulation was taught as a crime of passion, but there have also been a lot of cases (Chris Watts is one) where manual strangulation is charged as first degree murder, which requires premeditation. I wonder if the interpretation of it isn’t changing over time. It seems like it could be interpreted either way at this time.


CrystalPayne38

The freaking Coroner Dr. Blue shot his wifes car 21 years ago in a domestic dispute??? Wth [Coroner Shoots Wife's car](https://www.reddit.com/r/GabbyPetito/comments/q6y0vp/coroner_with_prior_domestic_violence_arrests/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)


Revolutionary_Tax426

Wow… “I’m surprised I missed”


librarianne209

That's a heavy accusation. You only link to another post stating the same thing, but no supporting evidence. Do you have any?


CrystalPayne38

https://www.jhnewsandguide.com/news/cops_courts/doctor-appeals-rejection-of-concealed-gun-permit/article_cc2c0287-826d-507d-bc5a-087ae8103f07.html


librarianne209

thanks


CrystalPayne38

There's a news article linked to that post


librarianne209

ohhhh, thanks. Yikes


SBoisDArc

Just crazy ironic that he was involved in domestic dispute shoots 21 times and now the Coroner on a high profile domestic violence murder.What are the odds? Smh??


Aoibhell

Theres a Dexter reference in there somewhere... sort of..


SBoisDArc

I said last night I hoped FBI had other people helping him with the autopsy because I have read some weird things about this guy. I know science matters but just thinking ahead to a trial and a defense lawyer questioning this guy's credentials and history.Hope I am wrong but I have heard experts say similar things about his experience as a coroner etc.


fallingupthehill

He's just a bureaucrat. All he does is paperwork and acts as the link between LE and the ME. Regardless of his person life, he's the reason for this info we have.


Available_Motor_9187

He absolutely was assisted by the FBI. He even referenced that at the very beginning of the update/press conference.


librarianne209

What weird things have you read?


xnalabeans

Wtf is going on. This whole thing gets weirder every day it seems. I’m sure that doesn’t impact his ability to rule the cause of death, but damn…what a piece of trash.


SBoisDArc

Yeah I just keep thinking about what Barry Scheck did to the LAPD crime guy during the OJ trial about procedures etc. and hope to God we don't see a repeat with this Dr Blue if it ever goes to trial that's all.


CrystalPayne38

Right. I was floored!!!


SBoisDArc

1 thing is now at least the Laundrie parents know the cause of death.I know we all can speculate whether he told them or whatever he said but now for sure they know.Will it change their actions now? Doubtful but at least can't pretend to not know how horribly she died. To not at least make a statement after she lived with them is just sickening but that is who they are obviously!! But let SB put out that pathetic statement is just awful and glad GP's mother called him.out for it!


wistfulpistil

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/10/12/gabby-petitos-cause-of-death-characterized-by-a-lot-of-anger-towards-victim-says-forensic-pathologist.html


moldran

This might sound weird, but them knowing the true cause of death since the beginning would explain their complete silence, ignoring all of Petito/Schmidt calls, not saying anything to the police, and instantly lawyering up. They knew what Brian has done, and how tragic it was. They were afraid of letting her family know. All 3 of them might have hoped that she might never be found and consumed by wildlife. If he told them a "story" like many here assume and made them believe it was just a break-up, I just don't see them not figuring it out eventually and talking to her parents about what they thought they knew about it.


SBoisDArc

Nah valid point for sure.It is just hard to put into words for anyone to be that cold to a family whose daughter lived with you and might have been a daughter to them.


UpvoteBecauseIcan

None of us have been in their situation. If they were told some bullshit story by their son or something then they start piecing it together and realizing what seems to have happened they could have been fuckin rocked by such an insane realization and just shut down. I’m not gonna throw any stones at a house I’ve never been in before, and I think everyone else should see it that way too. All that matters is no one knows what’s happening, so they need to sit the vigilante wannabe asses down and let professionals handle this. Downside you’re tormenting people grieving their son as the son he was to them is dead and they’re grieving his girlfriend and can’t look at anyone in the face right now. Upside is you’re being dicks to some assholes. Worst case scenario these “protestors” are horrible horrible people, best case scenario they’re some losers fucking with shitty people. Why would someone be like yah those are good odds like??? Tell me again how this is helping the poor girl who died a couple weeks ago? If these people have such delusions of grandeur that they think they’re cheesy harassment poking fun at the last name is going to get them to come out with details that would help then I mean idek what to say


concernedstateworker

I love the way you put “not throw stones at a house you’ve never been at before.” Simple but powerful. It’s easy to be angry and expect them to stand with the Petitos and the Schmidts, for obvious reasons, but I could only imagine being Brian’s mother or father, and having to shoulder the guilt and blame of bringing an evil murderer into the world while also grieving the loss of the smiling son you would have done (and maybe did do!) anything for. Truly heartbreaking. I think it’s okay to empathize and feel sad about what two parents in their shoes who love their son could be feeling without necessarily agreeing with the actions they’ve taken.


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Unique-Public-8594

Trying to change public sentiment. Take charge of the narrative. Very disrespectful.


Mycoxadril

Yea that guy is incredibly frustrating.


SBoisDArc

Hate that word demise too!!


concernedstateworker

The first time I dismissed it, but the second time was 100% intentional. I truly feel there is something much deeper here with the rift between the Laundries and the Petito/Schmidt family that started well before their trip.


RedditBurner_5225

Me too it’s weird.


Karlayn100

I know we all know who did it. But I wanted to point out and wondering one thing. Most of the perpetrators who know the victim try to hide the body. Usually unknown perpetrators for victims leave them just as they killed them. I wonder why BL left her just like that. How do you think?


daisy_chain_99

I'm late to this thread, but I just read an article by KSL (out of Salt Lake City) talking about how the photographer in their chopper that was covering the initial discovery of Gabby's remains saw her covered by a blanket, with boots and possibly a backpack near her. I'm wondering if BL didn't originally realize she was dead, or was showing some sign of remorse or maybe just dissociated, so covered her and left her with her shoes and some supplies for when she woke up.


Karlayn100

thank for your comment. I didnt knew that. if he actually covered her with this blanket it would be correct, because most of the perpetrators either hide the body or at least cover it with something like leaves or smth . Now it makes sense if he covered her with a blanket.


daisy_chain_99

My spouse's theory is that he left her like that, with the blanket, shoes and possible backpack, so that anyone casually passing by from a distance would think someone was just taking a nap, but Idk. If I were another camper in that area, I'd certainly check on someone just lying there.


Karlayn100

here you have these 4 types: • simple methods to hide the body a short distance from the site of the act, e.g. by pulling them away and hiding them in bushes or by superficial ones cover with adjacent material, e.g. earth, branches, ash, hay or bedding; • burying the corpse deeper into the ground, loading it and sinking it into stagnant and flowing waters, swamps, etc .; • complex methods consisting in hiding the corpse while taking actions that make diagnosis difficult or even impossible, eg scalping or fragmenting the corpse, burning the corpse, boiling the corpse, destroying the corpse with quicklime; • complete destruction of the carcass by its complete charring or destruction with concentrated inorganic acids or chemicals


Karlayn100

I dont know. but I am more inclined to the version that after strangling her it covered her body, like ususally perpetrators who are close to the victim do so. it's like a sign that they're trying to cut themselves off, from her, from what they are did. this is a broader topic and a lot to write about it, I read a lot about cyminology but I didn't want to write large arguments here so I shortened it. but perpetrators who know the victim undertake 4 types of concealment of the victim. looks like Brian made the former if the blanket is real


Possible_Emphasis_67

Maybe he did want to hide her but it wasn't feasible due to; people too close to the area, not able to physically move her, not knowing where to move. Or maybe he took a breather to come up with a game plan after he murdered her and decided that he would just quickly drive back to FL and make it appear as if it wasn't his fault.


Mycoxadril

Yea based on what we know about the scene (not much) it was a relatively open space. If it was something he did spur of the moment out there, he probably didn’t have a shovel. There are trees and some small rocks but it doesn’t look like a lot of scattered debris on the ground. Going foraging for things to cover her with, in absence of a shovel, it seems like he thought his time was better spent getting out of there and hiking to the place where he showered and later hitchhiked from.


loverofthedogs

I mean it was already kind of hidden since they were in a national park so maybe he thought that was enough


wistfulpistil

They’re not telling us if some branches were stacked or river rocks or gravel thrown over hastily. They’re not even saying if she was gagged, blindfolded, hooded with a sack, bent strangely, tied at wrists or ankles (all shout homicide)


Karlayn100

yep. maybe he just hadsn't expected it to come out so fast or so much


SuccessPristine2572

One, he probably didn’t have anything to dig with. He didn’t have time to go buy a shovel. Plus that would have incriminated him even further.


Ok-Fig8419

Isn't it also a very rocky type of terrain? Thats what I thought when seeing it, is that its hard and rocky. Even if he wanted to bury her he couldn't.


PurPurPurpleDrank

I’ve been there. To that exact spot even. It’s quite rocky and would be a real pain to dig a body sized hole


Karlayn100

maybe he was tryin put her in this river? where she was found?


itssomethingsnazzy

I think he just freaked out and split. I thought it was interesting… I had wondered myself, but didn’t want to say it out loud— when the question was asked if she was buried or not. I hate to think that her body was left out there like that, but if he panics, and convinces himself he was ‘hiking’ planting the alibi with the folks he hitched a ride from, that the best move is to run? Maybe the story is he goes back to the site, looks everywhere, can’t find her, assumes she left. Maybe he even finds a note telling him she’s leaving (conveniently loses note) and heads on back to FL. Tell a mom and dad she left him, so he just brought the van back. I don’t know. It’s a theory.


wistfulpistil

He’s such a monster miscreant


wistfulpistil

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/10/12/gabby-petitos-cause-of-death-characterized-by-a-lot-of-anger-towards-victim-says-forensic-pathologist.html


MuddyfeetFlowers

Maybe a show of sympathy to allow her to be found. Less evidence than attempting to hide her. Purely speculation. I wonder if that’s a thing murders do. I also hear of them trying to hide bodies.


Karlayn100

comapssion after what he did? he used his cards camping, live a life like nothing happend? no way... more i think it's panic... like from body cam. when he tries to explain himself "II -II- - II- I- Iam not trying to explain myself"


MuddyfeetFlowers

You’re right!


purple_polka

My assumption would just be that he panicked. Might have realized the gravity of what he’d done and just left/tried to disassociate himself from it/her.


UpvoteBecauseIcan

Not that uncommon for people w intense fits of rage/mood swings to “black out” or disassociate during such episodes. My point isn’t to theorize as I don’t think it’s respectful, but rather to show that there are so many quirks and parts of human psychology that can vary between individuals. That is to say theorizing and assuming one knows how he felt, acted, etc is worth less than nothing unless said individual is a trained professional assigned to the specific case. IMO those are the only people who need to be doing this rn. People should be treating this as what it is, a young woman tragically murdered and taken away from a family that needs sympathy. They shouldnt be grabbing their pitchforks thinking they’re fbi trained criminal psychologists... treating this like another true crime podcast they’d listen to with their morning coffe. It’s an active case with a real family affected, rather than lend them an endless supply of unqualified social media takes we should be offering sympathy and support. If you ask the mother I’m positive she would not like the idea of strangers finding entertainment and intrigue in the worst thing to ever happen to her. Let alone when it’s not even figured out. There’s a family out there living a never ending nightmare wondering when they will know what happened, and all these people on the internet are treating their Gabby as a game of who done it because of their own twisted fascination with DV turned worse. Just found this sub and it makes me so sad, sorry I ranted under your comment


Mycoxadril

This is what I think happened. Seems he compartmentalized it all by the time he got home.


Pugs1985

How do you know how she was left? The fact that it took several days to find her implies she was at least somewhat hidden.


MuddyfeetFlowers

This IS speculation…


Pugs1985

Which part?


MuddyfeetFlowers

The words “fact” and “implies.”


Pugs1985

Is it not a fact that it took several days from the day she was reported missing for them to find her body? It required searching to find her, right? Someone didn't just randomly stumble upon her body and calling in to the police? That implies it was somewhat hidden from public view. Nothing I said is speculation.


Karlayn100

but the point is that it was not hidden, for example buried in the ground or burned somewhere. or hidden by the liefs. It just lay by the river. the fact that she was found days after her disappearance says nothing about hiding it


Karlayn100

yes, you are right. Mr Blue didnt respond how was she found, I mean in what sircumstances. But didnt he say she was neer/on the creek or something?


MuddyfeetFlowers

She wasn’t hidden. Poor girl.


Pugs1985

Pretty sure that hasn't been released


MuddyfeetFlowers

Did you not see the arial shots when they found her? You must have missed that. Or her parents speaking about it…


Pugs1985

Can you link to a source? The aerial shots looked very different from the ground pics where the body was supposedly found. You can speculate all you want but exactly how the body was found has not been released to my knowledge.


MuddyfeetFlowers

I’m looking. It came from her step-fathers mouth! Fetch it yourself.


Pugs1985

>Fetch it yourself. Im not the one who stated it as fact. Everything I've already seen doesn't specify if the body was hidden or not.


MuddyfeetFlowers

https://www.wfmz.com/news/cnn/top_stories/raw-wy-gabby-petito-case-remains-found-aerials/video_8d349238-369e-50f8-a6a7-ea0b9bbd202c.html Anything else needed?


MuddyfeetFlowers

Her step-dad litterly laid out a stone cross where he body was found. Not speculating, FACT!


MuddyfeetFlowers

FFS! https://twitter.com/AndrewBuncombe/status/1440814626648715268?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1440814626648715268%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-28621859372122239907.ampproject.net%2F2109272305001%2Fframe.html


Pugs1985

And where exactly in that picture was the body located. I see plenty of spots where she could have been hidden. Fact is the FBI has not released that info so to state something as fact to support a narrative is misinformative.


hmeg91

My guess is he thought an animal or the elements would hide the body quicker that way. Or he just panicked and fled.


Karlayn100

yes, this might be. or he didnt thought they will find her as soon as they did?


MuddyfeetFlowers

Might be that way of thinking too.


11100011000

Is anyone allowed to post a thread now? It seems like we’ve gotten away from morning and night threads only. I’m not knockin it. Just curious if that’s changed some where we can post threads


RedditBurner_5225

I preferred the general discussions, not sure why everyone complained about it. The discussions are all scattered now.


11100011000

Yeah it’s getting that way for sure. It’s harder to navigate right to the info efficiently in my opinion. But I can see the benefits of both ways I guess. I liked the morning and night thread layout as well though.


Mycoxadril

It’s such a welcome change. I hope it stays. It centers the discussion around the actual topic of the thread when you can sort by best instead of new and allows for more engaging conversation. Having to sort by new in this thread is such a hassle and if you don’t you’re reading 8 hour old comments.


11100011000

Oh wow I didn’t think to sort by best. Interesting. I guess that points you in the direction of where all the discussion is at. It Makes sense why you like it I can understand your point


Mycoxadril

Plus with separate posts you can sort of get a highlight reel by scrolling the sub and catch things you miss.


Basic-Entry4117

Mods please create a new thread. Ty


nbson21

https://twitter.com/caffeinatedsurf/status/1442456246783823872?t=soWcV78ziqxkKp2kmsCDow&s=19 best I have found


grammabooty

Those photos are dated the 28th at 1pm and Gabby's mom received the yosemite text at 5am on the 30th. So that would narrow time of death.


RedditBurner_5225

Interesting I don’t remember this ever being discussed here.


nbson21

At least not debunked


moldran

It was initially debunked by the van sighting on 8/27 at spread creek at 6 pm. Then Brian telling the hitchhiker he was "hiking for several, 4-5 days". If he killed her on 8/28 in the evening, he would have had only 1 day to hike (he was picked up on 8/29). He would have ruined his own alibi.


StruggleIsReal0306

I think I looked up the hike from spread creek to where he was picked up and it was only an 8 hour hike. He could definitely do that in one day.


moldran

Yes I noticed the same. So they could have been camping out in spread creek for multiple days (the van was also sighted on 8/26 by a different YouTuber), and leave around mid-day to go to Jackson to buy food/drinks and eat. 8/27 they went to the restaurant 8/28 to this store He kills her in the night from 8/28 to 8/29. Starts hiking along the snake river up to Colter Bay, thinking about his next steps. Hitchhikes back to the van, gets there around 8/29 7 pm and starts his journey home.


NegativeEverything

Sends text at 7am on 8/30 or maybe that’s just when her mom wakes up and gets it... It’s not an unrealistic timeline. Condenses things a bit and I think it makes more sense than him wandering around an extra day...


RedditBurner_5225

That doesn’t make sense—-his fake alibi story shouldn’t debunk anything.


NegativeEverything

Wouldn’t his alibi already be ruined given that he was supposedly seen on 8/27 at Merry Piglets in the early afternoon. By the evening of 8/29 was hardly 4-5 days.


RedditBurner_5225

Yeahhh because the Merry Piglets was the 27th—did the girl that saw them fighting post a receipt? Maybe it was the 28th?


Available_Motor_9187

Not sure if this has been brought up (I’m sure it has, this thread moves so fast) but I find it odd that the coroner did answer that she was not pregnant, but couldn’t answer other questions that are just as private as that. I realize WHY he couldn’t answer those, but why that one in particular? Hope that makes sense.


LadyLivv123

Family could have allowed that fact to be released potentially, but it doesn't really effect the cause since she isn't.


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Many of the questions (like was she buried, was it manual strangulation, etc.) would have given away some details of the case or about evidence if answered. Since she was not pregnant, answering the question gives nothing away about autopsy findings. If she had been, he would have said he couldn’t answer.


Mycoxadril

I feel like when you have a female who is deceased they very often mention this. Maybe it is standard? I know I have seen this before in other cases where the victim was a minor and it wouldn’t be expected they would be pregnant but it was still mentioned.


miranda_writes

Someone mentioned that if she was it would’ve potentially created a double homicide so that could’ve been why he answered.


sevilyra

Not sure how the charges work for a federal case, but in the example of Chris Watts, he was charged with unlawful termination of a pregnancy for his unborn son, who was 15 weeks along at the time. Gestational age may play a factor in charges as well, possibly.


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11100011000

What about if she was pregnant and he announced she was pregnant at time of death? I personally think that info would have messed up the trial because it would make the jury biased. I do also agree that announcing she WASNT pregnant doesn’t hurt the trial in any way. Your thoughts?


aspiringmom17

Isn't that info allowed in the trial? The jury should take into account if he killed one or two people


11100011000

I think you’re right tbh. I think a good prosecutor would *definitely* paint that picture real nice for the jury and drive that home if it were a thing. Honestly I’m so glad it’s not. The shanann watts case really got to me.


collegedropout

I think OP is wondering why other biological findings weren't reported but the fact that there was not that biological finding was reported. I can see why they are asking but I agree, it's not part of the investigation so I guess squashing that wasn't revealing much.


Master_Conference_52

I found that odd too. I don’t think he was supposed to say that, he answered really quickly and probably regretted it. He’s probably not used to the whole press thing.


annnnie015

I saw A LOT of speculation that in one of the photos with the van someone “spotted” a sonograph photo. It clearly was not. I think that’s why it was asked.


softcheeese

I saw that speculation it was a sonogram picture. Also, they had a joint pinterest board labeled baby. So I think people put the two together to say she was.


ChestSuccessful5351

Does anyone know what time her mother received the "odd" text from Gabby about Stan? I know it was the 27th, but I didn't know if there was a time


RedditBurner_5225

I thought the “no service Yosemite” was 27th and the Stan text was the 30th.


danielle71989

No time, it just says 27th.


nbson21

Has anyone seen the timestamp photo of them in town together


StruggleIsReal0306

How can anyone tell if it is even them?


FoxedGrove

Anyone know how to access the archive?


NegativeEverything

Mountain Trails Gallery Inc. https://goo.gl/maps/WWYFF9K7ZyKCcrMUA


nbson21

http://imgur.com/a/juOoKMq


GlassCloched

So this is really from the 28th in the afternoon? It narrows the timeline even more if that is correct.


RedditBurner_5225

Yeah maybe the went back to town on the 28th then?


GlassCloched

Could be, or the eyewitness got the date wrong…. or the camera did.


RedditBurner_5225

Idk that dude doesn’t look like Brian—-too big.


GlassCloched

Hard to tell with all that background noise going on.


RedditBurner_5225

I kinda remember seeing this photo now, and I think everyone just wrote it off.


RedditBurner_5225

I don’t know maybe this photo is just unverified.


Amandyovo

Yeah I’m confused about that, I thought they went to the restaurant on the 27th?


RedditBurner_5225

Is this new? What store is this?


Handgrabofsunrays

It's the Mountain Trails Gallery, in Jackson.


NegativeEverything

Seejh.com has live cams of then village, someone would need an archive


GlassCloched

Yes, that’s what I’ve read. So what is the history of this photo?


Amandyovo

Honestly I may be mistaken, I thought this was taken outside of the restaurant? It may be somewhere else, OP can you tell us where this photo was taken from? Thank you


Handgrabofsunrays

It's outside the Mountain Trails Gallery in Jackson. Somebody posted this, from a live cam in town.


Amandyovo

Thank you so much for clarifying.


nbson21

It was on Twitter since deleted I think I haven't seen it.


Amandyovo

Thank you


NegativeEverything

Where’s this from


sheaday

I wish it was better quality so we could see if that’s the Long Island local sweatshirt she was found in. That might give us a better idea if she passed that day.


RedditBurner_5225

Is there a pic of the sweatshirt on insta?


pinkgoat19

I'd like to know more about the sweatshirt as well. I have always felt that in her last IG post with the butterflies..if you go to the very last pic it's all blurry. I've convinced myself that the photo doesn't belong. She's wearing a white shirt and a hat. I've googled Merry Piglets to see if the background matches up...I mean it's possible. Maybe I'm grasping at straws but hopefully someone else has noticed it too.


PurPurPurpleDrank

I’ve been in the Merry Piglets, I don’t think that photo is from there. But I could be wrong.


NegativeEverything

Mountain Trails Gallery Inc. https://goo.gl/maps/WWYFF9K7ZyKCcrMUA


nbson21

http://imgur.com/a/D7NqlLD I tried


Handgrabofsunrays

Looks like she's wearing the sweatshirt...if that's her.


nbson21

It was on Twitter but can't find it anymore.


true-finder

Scroll up to the comments above this one for the Twitter link. However, it's extremely sus, mostly it's inconclusive.


iMaryJane1

Summary of the day for my friends who requested it. - Notable takeaways from the Teton County Coroners press conference: [Video 31:30](https://youtu.be/t86s6Msy2x0) - Cause of Death: Strangulation - Manual Strangulation/Throtting [confirmed](https://twitter.com/jossiecarbonare/status/1448044085202374661?s=21) - Manner of Death: Homicide - Estimated time of death 3 to 4 weeks from when body was found (Found 9/19). Said there will not be an exact date of death on the death certificate. - Confirmed to not be pregnant. - Confirmed LE took DNA samples - “It was quite the media circus and continues to be. Unfortunately, this is one of many deaths around the country where people are involved in domestic violence...” - Dr. Blue - Statement (Text) from Steven Bertolino: “Gabby Petito's death at such a young age is a tragedy. While Brian Laundrie is currently charged with the unauthorized use of a debit card belonging to Gabby, Brian is only considered a person of interest in relation to Gabby Petito's demise. At this time Brian is still missing and when he is located we will address the pending fraud charge against him.” [Source](https://twitter.com/jossiecarbonare/status/1448000556052762629?s=21) - Nicole Schmidt (via text) in reference to SB “His words are garbage. Keep talking." [Source](https://twitter.com/wflajb/status/1448015607291645953?s=21)


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throwawaylol666666

Lots of weird comments about her size and weight.


GlassCloched

He’s going off the deep end. He’s like male version of Nancy Grace.


BSupa

He’s been pretty out of pocket imo. The way he spoke to Joe Petito on the newsnation special was disgusting. You could tell he was actually physically uncomfortable. Then today at the press release he called in twice like it was some game show. It was weird


11100011000

What the actual fuck did I just watch? I watched the news nation interview I missed it when it happened. I’m in disbelief. He has no tact or filter. Wtf was he thinking *anything* he said was appropriate.


BSupa

Exactly then coupled with his calling in twice today.


11100011000

He inserts himself a little too much. I can understand his reason for passion and such but he could dial it back just a little bit maybe. I can’t say too much because I couldn’t imagine his pain, but still


loubs001

His behaviour in the press conference was unacceptable. Asking the coroner "do you think Brian did it?" knowing full well that was an inappropriate question.


fallingupthehill

His "journalist" card needs to be pulled and burned. I used to like him 20 years ago, but lately he's exactly like Nancy Grace.


queenregina92

Is he even a journalist


fallingupthehill

Well he's allowed to ask questions. But whatever gives him the access to do this should be revoked.


-Blixx-

I think this one just hits close to home for Walsh. He was not great with the coroner or Gabby's dad.


fallingupthehill

His child was murdered back in the 80's. He's had plenty of time to deal with his grief. He needs no leeway now. There's a respectful way to ask questions.