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Dave Chappelle Says He Won’t Be “Bending To Anyone’s Demands” Over ‘Closer’ Controversy; Praises Ted Sarandos, Mocks Hannah Gadsby

Dave Chappelle Says He Won’t Be “Bending To Anyone’s Demands” Over ‘Closer’ Controversy; Praises Ted Sarandos, Mocks Hannah Gadsby

Sisiwakanamaru

> “To the transgender community, I am more than willing to give you an audience, but you will not summon me,” the Mark Twain Prize winner says in the just over five-minute posting Monday on Instagram. “I am not bending to anyone’s demands,” he added to cheers from the seemingly packed arena Chappelle is filmed in. > > “And if you want to meet with me, I am more than willing to, but I have some conditions,” the currently touring Chappelle says onstage, saying he has not actually been invited to speak with “transgender employees of Netflix.” He says over laughter: “First of all, you cannot come if you have not watched my special from beginning to end. You must come to a place of my choosing at a time of my choosing, and thirdly, you must admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny.”


OneJobToRuleThemAll

We never wanted to talk to you though? We just don't want to hear the unfunny trash that keeps coming out of your mouth, just as is the case with all the other unfunny comedians complaining about being cancelled.


TheDubya21

I'll disagree on one thing; people DID want to talk to him before. Way back in his 2017, it was merely just a case of "hey Dave, we love that you're back, there's just that one part we wanna talk to you about..." But apparently that was still enough to get him SO offended that he's made 2 entirely new specials bitching about that ONE bit of criticism. So NOW people are done with how much of a fucking baby he's been, and how especially with this he KNOWS he's milking this shit. Because no one is talking about anything else that's been coming out of these lame duck specials.


DirkRight

>But apparently that was still enough to get him SO offended that he's made 2 entirely new specials bitching about that ONE bit of criticism. Glinner vibes, honestly.


TheDubya21

Does this mean that we're gonna get another epic hbomberguy stream with cameos from United States Congresspeople? Sweet! But yeah, at this point he pretty much is the black Glinner, because you know he's not gonna shut up about this shit. This is the ONE thing that's sticking when it comes to these mediocre specials, so he's only going to go deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole in order to stay in the headlines.


GreenSovietRadish

who does this dork think he is, Jordan Peterson?


Fonescarab

Even JBP never treated his transphobia as some kind of hostage negotiation. What, exactly, are the implied consequences of Dave Chappelle denying the (entire?) "transgender community" an "audience"? Oh, he gets to continue to spread harmful, occasionally deadly, misinformation while suffering no meaningful consequences whatsoever. It does clarify the power dynamics at play here, doesn't it?


DirkRight

>the Mark Twain Prize winner Well that seems like an odd thing to specifically mention in this article with no relation to that at all. > saying he has not actually been invited to speak with “transgender employees of Netflix.” Why would they? They work for Netflix, their states issues were with Netflix, and their demands did not include anything about Dave Chappelle or his specials. >You must come to a place of my choosing at a time of my choosing, What is this, a duel? He has not been challenged to a fight, and if he's challenging them to a fight, then they are the ones that should get to choose the time and place. Or, failing that, the weapons, at minimum.


CitizenSnips199

JOIN ME at a time and place of my choosing, Mr. Chapo.


Bahamutisa

MISter *Chapo~!*


Murrabbit

Area man high off own farts. Believes he has 'neg'd' world's trans people into wanting to date him?


PortalWombat

Oh Dave, you still sign the back of the checks, buddy.


interiot

> First of all, you cannot come if you have not watched my special from beginning to end. Here's the a transcript of the whole thing from beginning to end: https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/comedy/dave-chappelle-the-closer-transcript/ It's pretty bad.


tabris

The amount of people that have been saying "it's not that bad." Oof, it's worse.


interiot

Cis people gonna cis.


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Fonescarab

We're in violent agreement. It's probably funnier if you're the kind of person who believes the mere mention of bodily functions typically associated with women counts as a joke.


Entropian

He just wants to make this even more about himself, doesn't he?


ArmeniusLaurant

Chappele shaped a demographic of Reddit users in the early 2000s and now he has returned to collect, I guess.


jaymiechan

keeping in mind Hannah Gadsby is the woman who told Netflix "don't try to use me as a shield to try and claim a 'both sides' on this issue."


rivainitalisman

Gadsby is fucking hilarious. Chapelle's entire special is no where near as funny as just the line "where do the quiet gays go"


Jarsky2

I still bust out laughing every time I think of her bit about the box, though that might be because as an autistic person I totally get it. https://youtu.be/5lXbpgU9OWk


AlE833

She’s awful, and she’s pushing an extreme left ideology. Dave is more social commentary and pragmatism, and above all, funny


Lifeboatb

I think Hannah’s shows are hilarious, and I’ve never thought Chappelle was very funny. I’ve heard him say things that were clever, but he just doesn’t get me laughing. It’s completely a matter of taste; you can’t state that someone is funny as if it’s a scientific fact. I’m guessing his “demand” that Netflix employees “admit Gadsby isn’t funny” is another one of his jokes, but it comes across as just mean-spirited to me.


AlE833

Yeah fair enough. No one can tell anyone else what they find funny. She’s similar in that she tells stories but what I don’t like is the talk about white privilege and male patriarchy as political speak. Dave is also political to an extent but you can tell he’s more moderate which appeals to me a lot more.


Lifeboatb

I can see your POV.


mrxulski

POV: you're playing the victim just like Chappelle


rivainitalisman

The """political""" message of her first show is that marginalized people shouldn't have to put themselves down in order to be considered funny, which is... not extreme leftism by any measure?


AlE833

🙄 ok pal It’s ok to disagree on who’s funny, right? Or do I have to conform to your ideals?


Ayasugi-san

They didn't say anything about who was funnier. They brought up your implication that "marginalized people shouldn't have to put themselves down" is extreme leftism. Do you consider it extreme?


tapobu

Yeah, railing against other people who do comedy specials for Netflix will go over well for him I'm sure.


Fonescarab

>“Am I canceled or not? Then let’s go!” Chappelle yells at the end of today’s video, dropping the mic as a graphic comes up listing his upcoming tour dates in what is at leas partially an exercise in free advertising. And partially, an accidental admission that "cancel culture" is little more than an inflatable boogeyman the relatively powerful cynically exploit for their own benefit, while painting themselves as victims.


12ealdeal

/r/selfawarewolves


DunshireCone

Maybe I’m getting old but I don’t recall anyone “demanding” anything of him


ConVito

Just like all people with any kind of power, he interprets any mild legitimate criticism as hostility.


teatromeda

What 20+ years of being incessantly fawned over will do to some people.


zykezero

glinner stumbled to mumsnet so dave could saunter to netflix.


isosceles_kramer

in fairness people have been pretty brutal to him on the internet and a lot of people do cross the line to hostility and threats, there def are demands being made. BUT obviously it's not effecting his career & he's doing just fine


WallabyUpstairs1496

Michael Jordon complex


dolerbom

He's not even making jokes anymore, he's just milking the lowest common denominator. Washed up Gen X comedians siding with the right because they've been told saying the f slur isn't a joke anymore.


N0_B1g_De4l

That's the thing that gets me about a lot of these conversations. It's usually framed as "transphobic humor is not okay" or "comedy shouldn't punch down", but I think those framings give too much credit. I think there's a conversation to be had about offensive comedy, and I don't think it's as simple as "hurtful jokes are never okay" (though I will acknowledge that as a straight white guy, my perspective on the issue is incomplete). But that's not really what happens in these situations. It's not that Chappelle is telling jokes that are transphobic and the transphobia outweighs the value of the humor. It's that he's just being transphobic and expecting people to laugh. The purest example of this is the infamous scene from *Family Guy* where Brian has sex with a trans woman, then spends like thirty seconds vomiting. There's no joke there, it's just the equivalent of saying "trans people are *gross*" and then expecting laughter. Elevating that to "comedy" is being unfairly generous. It's the same thing that's wrong with "we need to listen to both sides" framings on homophobia or racism. It's not that one side is right and the other side is wrong (though that is true). It's that by elevating issues like "should black people have rights" to a debate where there are legitimate sides, you are implicitly coming down against the idea that black people should have rights.


deepbarrow

I don’t have much to add other than I think this an astute remark. And one of the best explanations I’ve seen for why trans people/our allies found the Closer offensive.


CockGoblinReturns

Worst than that. It's full of lies and subtle phobias ------ He didn't make the distinction between mud slinging accounts on twitter (2nd most toxic social media) and the LGTBQ community in general. He goes out of his way to address the entire LGBTQ community explicitly in his gripes. He said that they act like minorities until they need to act white around Black people, based off one personal bad personal experience. He said 'Trans people make up words to win arguments'. He said the trans are out to get him and he needs to look for adams apples --- He used a huge platform to lie about the trans community. He said JK Rowling was cancelled for stating a biological fact. First, she wasn't cancelled. she's still with her publisher, still publishing books with cross-dressing characters who are murderers Second, she didn't just state a fact, she has openly befriended and amplified the voices of TERFs on social media, and that she penned a long manifesto expressing the pernicious TERF ideology that trans women might actually be male sexual predators in disguise ---- He complained that the LGBTQ community is preventing him to from going after white people, that he had them on the ropes before the LGBTQ community stopped him. But it's Dave who keeps on dedicating his specials to them. When his last special was released there were no articles being written about his beef with them, no social media trends. And then he dedicated nearly his whole special to them And if he wants to get conspiratorial about white people, race, and sexuality issues, look at what they did in India and the Philippines. They did a ton to demonize homosexuality in those areas. They always do. Like the Hindy/Muslim animosity and the Caste system in India (which existed before the British came, but they dialed that the knob up to 100% by codefying into law and making it a part of their educational system) and apartheid in South Africa, they are always pitting minority groups against each other so that they won't focus on their oppressor How can this be more glaring than that the anti-gay people and anti-trans people are the same ones who are anti-BLM. The same people who keep passing laws specifically targeting Black people from voting ---- He also complained that Dababy got cancelled for being homophobic but not for murder. First, it's always easier for celebrities to attack individuals over attacking minorities The CEO of papa john got cancelled for using the N word. Roseanne got cancelled for telling a Black person she looks like a monkey. Kramer got cancelled for using the N word Chris Brown got away with beating Rihanna. Don King stomped a guy to death and went on to become boxing's biggest promoter. Robert Richards, heir to the DuPont company, was convicted of raping his daughter and served no jail time. Attacks on individuals don't elicit the media attention like racism and homophobia do. But this is somehow the fault of the LGBTQ community? Furthermore, social media backlash isn't a strong indicator of the extent to which systemic racism and homophobia is being addressed in our society. There's still record high killings of trans people. Police can still largely murder Black people and face no legal repercussions And even if you wanted to use that, KevinHart still making billion dollar movies, JKRowling still publishing novels, DaBaby recording a song for Kanyes new album. Megyn Kelly, Roseanne Barr, Michael Richards, CEO of papa johns are actually cancelled Actual cancellations from social media backlash are when corporations stop doing business with a person because their image no longer brings in the same revenue as when they hired them. This never really challenges the root power structures and phobias in our society. It doesn't matter how many celebrities throw their careers in toilet, it won't affect systemic racism in policing ----- He complained 'to what extent am I obligated to participate in your self image'. He has none, but to what extent are they obligated to indulge in the idea that he is beyond criticism? To what extent should they suppress the fact that he is no longer a positive influence in their life ---- He complained about trans people using made up words to win arguments, but the majority of the terms that were coined for identifying phenomena regarding the marginalization of minorities came from the racial equality movements. It's mostly the anti-BLM people who criticize people for using terms like microaggressions ---- He blamed the LGBTQ community for taking away Kevin Hart's childhood dream of hosting the Oscars First, his old jokes were hurtful. Don Lemon did a great job of explaining why. I'm not going to link the youtube videos because that tends to get my comment deleted by the automod but I'll just mention what to look up on youtube Youtube Don Lemmon Kevin Hart And Kevin Hart later acknowledged at much, saying that he has grown since Youtube Kevin Hart apology But the issue is that he was adamant in not addressing it twice. But he never apologized the first time. No apologies in every interview he did about his hurtful comments prior to the Oscars; he defended himself and blamed the audience each time Google the vulture.com article titled "Where Are Kevin Hart’s Past Apologies? An Investigation" If hosting the Oscars truly was his childhood dream and giving an apology (and instead lying about previously apologizing) was a boundary, then he has a "Brittle-ass spirit" (Dave's phrase for LouisCK victims) Btw by his own usage of the terminology, Dave tried to 'cancel' Don Lemon Youtube Don Lemmon responds to Chappelle ----- Dave says 'look how well the LGBTQ movement is going' as a comparison to the racial equality movement. There are instances where it may be useful to compare movements to better understand varying methods of minority marginalization, but this discussion is wholly incomplete without the discussion of areas where they are not comparable, because systems of oppression uses different tactics to oppress different groups. In Dave's own HOME STATE of Ohio they passed a law that allows doctors to deny LGBTQ people health care on moral grounds. In 27 states, there are no explicit statewide laws at all protecting people from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in employment, housing and public accommodations. Which means in over half the country you can be fired or denied housing just for being gay or trans. Conversion therapy is legal in 30 states. Texas just banned a suicide hotline for LGBTQ youths ----- Regarding the insinuation that the LGBTQ community responsible for Daphane's death, he didn't mention that she had lost custody of her child shortly before her suicide. Also, he didn't seem at that close as he refused to go to her funeral or 3 memorials of hers when invited. Daphane's defense of Chappelle had less than 10 twitter replies ------ I don't think Dave was homophobic/transphobic in his initial specials. He had some cognitive biases which resulting in him saying some hurtful stuff. But his refusal to accept any criticism and the resulting backlash has resulted in a full blown fear -> phobia of LGBTQ people besides 'the good ones' who are his friends. It's similar to a type of racism many white people have today; they believe in the idea of equality in general, but think the Black community are people hateful to white people when the kneel for the Anthem and criticize the police. They use isolated incidents like looting and random youtube videos to characterize the whole Black community. They think the average Black person has more privilege than the average white person by pointing to people being cancelled by racism the way Dave points to people being cancelled for homophobia. They think Black people are misguided in how they address systemic racism, and I feel Dave feels similarly about how LGBTQ address systemic homophobia/transphobia Dave wants full equality for LGBTQ people but he didn't want them to address the very hurtful comments made by Kevin Hart or JK Rowling. He doesn't want them to call out people for using slurs; he complained about not being able to use the F-word slur. He also implied that the idea of the LGBTQ calling themselves 'my people' is racist, but at the end of the special used that exact phrase to refer to his fellow comedians, 'Stop punching down on my people' He always tries to pit the LGBTQ community against the Black community. He complained 'why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than it was for Cassius Clay to change his name'. Trans people EXISTED in the 60s, and throughout history. It wasn't easier, it took 50 years after the stonewall riots, which Dave actually referenced in his special. But why do this dumb game Dave wants us to play, does a person with cancer need to complain every time there's a breakthrough in AIDS research? If his point is that the rich white power structures in our country are using LGBTQ issues to put down Black people, then he should go after the white power structures in our country directly and specifically. Maybe there are pockets of LGBTQ people putting down Black people like Peter Theil, but largely the white power structures strategy is to pit marginalized grounds against each other. The same people trying to put homophobia and transphobia into our school curriculum are the same ones who are trying to prevent Black people from voting Dave says LGBTQ people act like minorities until it's convenient for them not to, but he's is doing exactly that with his cis/hetero/male privilege to wage with his fellow millionaire celebrities ----- This by no means is comprehensive. As I mentioned, his phobias are deep rooted. Other good analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiJQV378F5A https://www.vox.com/22722357/dave-chappelle-the-closer-netflix-backlash-controversy-transphobic https://www.gq.com/story/chappelle-the-closer


BuddhistSagan

Also, study after study has shown a direct connection between the type of perceptions of gender identity Chappelle is performing and anti-trans violence. https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/96/1/17-197251.pdf


rkingett

You are the best commentor on this issue.


Bloo_Driver

Must be rough realizing you're the man who was hailed as a genius for things like the Prince True Story and Haters' Ball and you're now just a dude that feels your laugh is something he has to demand or earn from others by acting like a shitty run of the mill white comedian.


intolerablesayings23

those had better writers involved that he had no problem throwing under the bus when he melted down


IndividualImpress3

Why did he randomly mention Hannah Gadsby? Why did he assume damn near all trans people like her comedy? If he really wanted to talk about this in good faith, he would actually take this seriously and not be condescending to us. Besides, a trans woman did talk to Dave, but he still didn't "get it". So I don't see a point in necessarily talking to him? What Dave really needs to do is sit the fuck down, and self reflect on what he said. And like......Listen to black lgbt people? Especially black trans women? Maybe learn your history about historical black lgbt leaders. Maybe next time he wouldn't erase them and their experiences.


TheDubya21

The Netflix CEO brought her name up in his BS excuse of Dave like "we can't be homophobic, see we have Hannah Gadsby on our platform too!", which obviously led her to go "...ugh, WTF, leave me out of this, I don't want to deal with this fucking guy's fans anymore than I have to." But since now Chappelle is *actively* courting the bigot audience, here we are, giving them exactly what they want by going after one of their favorite targets from when Nanette came out.


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IqtaanQalunaaurat

Fuck's sake. Do you shit up other subs too, or is it just us?


Ayasugi-san

It's probably their trolling cause du jour.


IqtaanQalunaaurat

Seems to be.


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IqtaanQalunaaurat

A simple yes would have sufficed.


Matto987

He doesn't care. There's no chance of self reflection here


isosceles_kramer

people want to go on and on about how Chappelle isn't being hateful with his jokes and he's not a transphobe and he was just making a point, and maybe he is maybe he isn't i don't know his heart, but it was pretty obvious what people were going to latch onto from that special. How long did "I'm Rick James B*tch" get dragged out? We're going to be hearing "I'm on Team TERF" for decades now.


ChildOfComplexity

No we aren't.


IqtaanQalunaaurat

Asshole.


1945BestYear

[Throw this man out into space.](https://youtu.be/ibfQX11aPmg)


squirrelrampage

People on Twitter highlighted passages of his special where Chappelle fantasizes about beating up a butch lesbian. He is not only a rabid transphobe, he is an unhinged homophobe and sexist too. [Link with CW for homophobic violence](https://twitter.com/LouisatheLast/status/1453000701911650320) Edit: Clarified wording


isosceles_kramer

what do you mean "dug up"? it just came out on netflix a few weeks ago this bit has been clipped and posted everywhere. he didn't just fantasize, he actually did it.


squirrelrampage

Point taken. Wrong choice of words on my side there.


holydiver18

Wow people say "if you hear what he says in context it's not that bad" and having now read the whole transcript they are right it's not that bad it's worse.


GalileoAce

> you must admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny. Of all the things Chappelle has ever said this is perhaps the most offensive.


puiopfgh

It seems like he's mad because Hannah Gadsby is a better comedian than him


GalileoAce

She's a better everything than him


puiopfgh

True that.


xdtla

He needs to be meeting with Black trans people who have something to say, not white Netflix employees.


BuddhistSagan

>He needs to be meeting with Black trans people who have something to say, not white Netflix employees. If only netflix had black trans people working there.


CressCrowbits

Actually the head of their ... oh


Soft-Rains

Maybe not the best person given their horrible history of racism and xenophobia. Can't think of a worse leader to pick given the situation, just *another* person with no sympathy for groups that don't include them (in this case asian and hispanic).


CressCrowbits

Wait what?


Kappapeachie

wait black trans and nb people exist? I thought they were all white?/s jokes aside, we really need more black lgbt rep in this godforsaken entertainment industry.


1945BestYear

Wait, hold on, are you talking about somebody being queer *and* being a person of colour? Don't you think that is a level of Politics™ that cannot be sustainably contained within one being?


Kappapeachie

I AM WOKE INCARNATE!


heyyyinternet

>He needs to be meeting with Black trans people who have something to say, not white Netflix employees. This times three million. Thank you for saying it.


badnbourgeois

I’m not sure if they met but Flame Monroe has been publicly defending him


Zillafire101

There's something about a guy who realized he was attracting hateful people and stopping his comedy for a bit, then coming back and getting those same hateful people but from a different angle, and not caring now because it's not his issue. There's like a joke there, the skeleton of one, but I guess I'm not as talented as the genius Chappelle is.


ChainsawSuperman

Trumplike speech. Jon Stewart loves this guy. So lame


AlE833

Hannah is terrible, not funny, a poor attempt for her woke politics