"For our children's freedumbs"
By - spoolimak
Employers are not prescribing or practicing medical treatments. They are following the health authorities.
These people have zero clue what they are “fighting” for.
The audacity and insanity of protesting IN FRONT OF THE HOSPITAL. This was a coordinated effort by morons across Canada, causing delays in ambulance service. People coming for treatment or visit couldn't find parking. In some cases, the crowds verbally abused regular people or security or nurses/doctors. A couple instances of physical assault.
To say nothing of the exhausted staff at the hospital.
They have the freedom to protest *peacefully.* Do it at city Hall. The legislature. Anywhere else because the hospital staff didn't make the decisions. Don't affect medical treatment and care with....
I'm generally against CV19 vax being mandatory (even de-facto mandatory), and don't support the passports. But you absolutely hit the nail on the head. Don't like the *government's* actions? Protest the government...not doctors and nurses. I'm not sure what they were going for, how the eff they thought that was a good idea, how they thought that would be perceived, etc. But it was a terrible idea for multiple reasons. We need more doctors and nurses, and we needed to treat them better *before* Covid. That's probably doubly true now.
I would argue nurses and hospital staff are expected to keep up on their immunizations and have for years. So it's not really a new thing, they have been required to have updated Vax records for a long time. As long as you're not tinfoil antivax.
But what you say in the rest of the post... It's just absurd and so insensitive. Lacking any compassion.
Do we... Do we need to just start dumping suffering patients in the street for these folks to start realizing how bad shit is?
What exactly do you think I said that's absurd and insensitive? Not being in favour of de-facto mandatory CV vaccine and/or the passports? Or being in favour of protest in general, but being against this group of protestors protesting in front of the hospital? I fail to see anything there that's absurd, insensitive, lacking compassion, etc.
No mo no. The people we're talking about are absurd and insensitive. I am fully in agreement with the second 3/4 of your post.
Haha. I was *certain* that you had misread my post or intentions, but I'd actually misread yours. This actually makes me smile. Another great reminder that I'm less right about others, their intentions, their thoughts, their actions, etc than I think I am. Cheers to you and yours.
It made sense in my head! I think I left out some connective tissue on "page."🤦🤣
Don't worry, I saved my rage for an actual conspiracy theorist downthread. 🤠🤠🤠
But I mean, I'm absolutely a person who supports peaceful protest. I've been in protests. However, as with all of our freedoms, it is subject to *reasonable limitations* and should not infringe upon the freedoms of others. That's why we don't have "total freedom." Our actions affect other people.
But as you've pointer out, even if totally peaceful, being a complete jerk in the process isn't a great way to be taken seriously.
Love that you straight up took responsibility, lacking in many, myself included. Great example!.
The malicious compliance asshole in me wants to offer all protestors a unmasked tour of the Covid ward
That is how it starts, Comrade. I get that feeling...just keep it well in check.
Yup, just glad I’m not a nurse getting heckled on my way to save unvaccinated assholes (I work in healthcare, so I see the toll it’s taking on them and it breaks my fucking heart)
Ya. I'm not a guy who thinks unvaccinated are assholes by default, but that's a whole other conversation. Who I 100% think are assholes, are the assholes...specifically the ones who hassle and heckle nurses so much that they wear plain clothes and no nametags at the vax clinic at Aberdeen Mall. Apparently the girls were getting followed to their effing cars, etc. I'm fine with freedom to disagree with policies or whatever. But you start following nurses to their cars, and...I don't even know how to legally finish that sentence. Those people need to be dealth with, I'll say that.
Every fucking time, when km asked what I do for work, I say healthcare, and folks take a step back.
Well once the 4th wave gets real we will have to start triaging who gets a vent and the I’ll and vaccinated will have higher priority over these morons.
Already happening here in the US, every hospital (including the one I work at) is full. 95% are unvaccinated
That’s just not true for most of the places in BC. The protests were not blocking any traffic and the protesters didn’t park at the hospitals in most cases. That’s not mentioning the fact that many of the protests were organized by hospital staff because they feel unfairly treated and are not being listened to.
They were not organized by hospital staff.
In northern BC the medical staff requested the anti-mandate groups to come protest on their behalf. And the nurses and doctors were in attendance.
This is a Kamloops subreddit.
Still relevant info
Not really. Nurses do not support these protests. I’m sure you can find a few here and there, but based on the numbers in Kamloops, that number would be less than 1%. That means that more than 99% do not support these protests. I’m friends with people who work at the hospital. None of them support these protests. And they don’t know of any colleagues who support the protests.
I don’t think that’s accurate
My partner works out of the hospital, as do three of my friends, and many of their friends. I’ve talked with all of them about this and they don’t know anyone opposed. This includes Oncology, NICU, Obstetrics, and GPs.
I mean, countless stories and facts disprove your lies, but that's okay. What nurses? The fired loonies from Ontario? Get the fuck out.
Is it stories or facts?
Stories are real. Unless you're going to call the vast majority of healthcare workers liars. Which you are going to do.
*Checks post history.*
You don't site anything for the instances you speak of. Whos getting assaulted at these rallies? This is the first I'm hearing of this.
No worries, did the work for you.
You should once again read the article instead of auto posting after reading a title.
This is about Nanaimo and not Kamloops but I'm sure you don't actually care to read that far.
It mentions one instance of "physical assault" that it does not even bother to go into detail about because it was hardly reported. Weird how it's also a part of the headline as I'd to get your attention.
Go ahead and infer what you want from this article but it makes you no better than the "anti-vaxers" you're so mad about. Keep auto reposting and living up to your name.
They are fighting for the rights and freedoms for all including hospital workers and patients
Even indoctrinated byass individuals such as yourself
Wake up and stand up don't be fooled
By the tyrannical regime mixing your coolaid
This tyranny will eventually fail and fall
It's spelled "kool-aid."
Guy sounds like a South Park character
Looks like one too
That guy is actually a doctor. A nut job doctor from Lytton, but he is a doctor.
You won't be calling him a nut job when your capillaries get "microclots" /s
I have never seen so many pieces of human garbage in my life!
The unhealthiest looking people…
Protecting her 200lb kid!
I unfortunately personally know this guy. His name is Dr Charles Hoffe. He is a Christian, Pro-life, anti-vaxx GP who shouldn’t be practicing. He also claimed that any woman who has had the Moderna vaccine is now sterilized.
Let's get the medical license revoked, shall we? :-)
Yes! I can’t believe he is still able to practice. He is one of the Doctors for Lytton, my community, and Lytton deserves better.
I love when that Warren Jeffs character wanders up.
The other ladies looked pretty angry.
Freaking losers. Go play somewhere that doesn’t interfere with a people who actually care for the sick. You could be one of the sick people that they are trying to care for very soon.
I wish there were folks taking the details of the protestors. Get them to sing a pledge that when they get covid they won’t enter the doors of the hospitals.
The hubris of stupid people in large groups. The echo chamber is deafening.
I look forward to the day history teaches students about the idiots of the pandemic
Future Darwin Award winners.
Herman Cain Award winners even.
The worst part of all of this, is that the lady at the beginning is my ex girlfriends mom…
Good thing she's your Ex-girlfriend. 🤠
Yep. Her mom even back then was crazy. I just hope she’s off welfare now…
I doubt it, who else has time to spout uneducated nonsense during working hours? Not a sane person with a job.
They all look crazy.. will anyone learn that stomping around yelling about shit is not going to change anything? Its behavior an intelligent human drops as a child.. when we have a temper tantrum and butch and scream for what we want.. this is no different except they think they are adults lol
The best and brightest... 🤦♂️
So we got alpha,beta,delta+ which have 12 times more amount of virus amount than alpha once you infected ,mu which easier to spread and C.1.2 which vaccine may not work. Good luck with not getting vaccinated. Just another day another step toward we are real screw and their own doom. Anyway, the virus will do the “thing”while obey law of natural selection. The one who fit in the environment survive and those who don’t shall gone
And we're sequencing new ones all the TIME. \*\*THIS IS FINE\*\*
Yeah the owner of pink pomeranian dog spaw was there burning vaccination cards, real treat to watch.
Huh? The woman running the spa, or the guy who owns the dog guru business the spa is in?
Have used both businesses before - need to understand which to boycott in the future?
The husband of the girl, they both own it.
These protesters are endangering the health and welfare of the public and should be arrested, especially the fat bitch.
They're fucking assholes and they're harming society, but going *straight to torture* for their shitty protest is as absurd and missing the point ad these dumbasses. While there were issues at many, we nonetheless have a right to peaceful protest.
See thats the thing. You vaxxers demand all the respect in the world for your trusted science and the second somebody goes against the grain of your viewpoints respect gets thrown out the window. I wholeheartedly believe that not a soul deserves death or imprisonment no matter how you choose to move forward. Keep doing you though buddy, keep feeding into the negative divide.
Are they blocking any hospital access. The answer is no, so we still live in a free society and peaceful assembly is a Charter right. And it doesn’t state in the Charter where such protests are allowed
They backed up traffic all the way up Columbia, which blocked hospital access. Their stupid parade of honking vehicles went through multiple times driving at a crawling pace, causing even more backup. Sure, it wasn't illegal, just selfish and irresponsible.
There are patients and families who need rest and quiet, not chaos and distress. Protest elsewhere. Their freedumbs are at the cost of everyone else’s health.
Well, reality is the character does give you the right to be an *asshole.* --- assuming your right to do so is not infringing upon other people's rights. It's like we have laws against things or something.
But it did block hospital access at many hospitals across Canada. They took up parking spaces from family of the hospitalized and patients, forcing unnecessary long walks or other transport issues. They slowed or blocked ambulance access. And for nothing else, they made the day of staff who are NOT THE GOVERNMENT making the mandates, and the lives of SICK PATIENTS shitty when they are already in the hospital. Which is rarely a pleasant experience.
Yes, it was not "all" that caused blocks. Or spewed verbal abuse at staff or security. or became physical with staff or security. But it did happen. Access was blocked. And in the best case scenario, you made exhausted and sick people worse off.
It's called kindness. Compassion. Consideration. Not being an ASSHOLE.
You’re right. Can’t we all just get along
No. I refuse to "get along" with people who are recklessly, ignorantly endangering the health and safety of others.
I now agree with you. Let’s arrest all the protesters
Nope. Only those engaging in assault or causing direct harm. They have the right to protest. I have the right to tell them to fuck off.
That’s what I originally started. If it’s peaceful assembly it’s legal. It might not be quite. But YOU don’t get to choose what protests are legal. And yes go tell them to go fuck your self
Lol! “Calm down Ken”
98% survival rate…….what fucking pandemic?
They are right though, lol. Shame to see people like yourself mindlessly shaming people because of the propaganda they see on the news.
As opposed to propaganda sought out on Facebook or Reddit?
That and common sense and the ability to research and comprehend basic science.
Except they're not right.
It’s quite sad that we live in such a backwards world today. I don’t think people realize the irony of all this stigmatization. I’m no anti vaxer but there is some truth to what they’re fighting for. Whelp, I’m probably going to get down voted to oblivion for saying this.
I’m guessing the “slippery slope of forced vaccinations”.
These asshats conveniently forget that there’s a pandemic still going on. I doubt many believe there was one to start with.
Bring on the vaccine passports. They can keep their freedom of choice. They just need to realize that choices have consequences. Don’t like it? Fuck off and form your own flower colony.
This is coercion. You can like it or not, but let's call it what it is. This is meant to "encourage" people to take the vaccine. When you threaten peoples choices with an action, you are applying force. You also have to understand that we who have the vaccine can still carry the virus and spread it to someone else. I struggle to see what this law is meant to do other than cause a division between those who chose to get vaccinated and those who chose not to. I would be glad to have a discussion about this that doesn't involve the language though.
Welcome to being part of a society.
Individual freedoms are capped to the point where they negatively impact the well-being of other members. Most laws are in existence to support this. Would you argue that the punishment for a crime is coercion to be a better person?
The arguments against the vaccine are all from a base of complete ignorance and arrogance. This isn’t a difference of opinions. This is supported scientific knowledge vs. the illiterate ramblings of crayon munching window lickers.
You’re absolutely off your nut. Bonkers.
The thing is, vaccination has always been an individual freedom. The diseases we vaccinate from are quite threatening yet we have not placed these kinds of restrictions on any individual who object to taking a vaccine. As I mentioned before, whether or not you are vaccinated does not prevent you from hosting the virus, otherwise, we would not be social distancing and wearing masks if we're vaccinated. I understand what you're saying but to me, this seems more political more than anything. Unless you could explain to me what was the point in having the vaccine optional in the first place.
I would encourage you to not view peoples thought process so black and white. You don't understand or even want to try to understand, and by way of your language, you don't seem to care. Majority of those who do not want to take the vaccine are minorities. There are many reasons for this. Many are historically suspicious of the government and so do not trust them when they say take it. There are many reasons. Don't just call them all crayon eaters just because the loud ones are. Seek to understand people rather than to simply stigmatize them because they believe something you can't comprehend. At the very least, we can understand each other that way as opposed to hating each other.
Yeah…no. Not bothering with that wall of text after your asinine open statement about vaccine choice.
The fact that you are trying to compare the two shows (a) that you have zero understanding about the realities of either, and (b) that you have your head in the ground regarding how previously near-irradiated diseases are making a comeback.
I am equally opposed to parents who refuse to vaccinate their children. Their fucking morons. The same morons extending this pandemic today. They assume that they know everything after hours of Google searching for information to support them. They deem they are experts on everything about their crotch goblin simply because either someone caught their splooge or they managed to squeeze it out.
Fuck anti-vaxxers and fuck their enablers.
Get the jab or fuck off.
If you're not going to read what I'm saying, why bother continuing this? Or perhaps it's because you don't have anything to say against it? I don't think you understand that in the same way you say "Fuck anti-vaxxers and fuck their enablers" "Get the jab or fuck off," these people are saying the same thing. If this continues on, we're going to have a nation of division, just like in the US and it's not healthy. It's not good.
Don't even try with these muppets, all they want is their spoonfed CBC narratives to justify THEIR lack of humanity and respect for individual freedom.
It’s pretty sad. The worst part is, we have a “leader” who actively wants to divide the nation.
you asked so I will elaborate. Keep in mind that what I say is only what history has told in different forms. Rather than making this out to be something more than it is or isn't, just consider the correlations.
Now, I'm not referring to whether you should or shouldn't get a vaccine, I personally believe in free choice but I would rather people get a vaccine of any kind. What I am referring to when I say "truth" is explicitly the stigmatization that is going on. We have evolved as a society where we used to live in a world that was mostly conservative. Ideologically, people have shifted towards a more liberal perspective in life. We went from the stigmatization of homosexuality, to the freedom of sexuality. We went from believing that left handed people were children of Satan, to just not believing in such superstition. The world was once a place where atheism could get you killed. Nowadays, in the western world, atheism is quite popular and it can be said to a certain extent that those who are religious are regarded as unintelligent (not everyone thinks this way but I know of quite a few atheists who feel this way).
Throughout history, there is always the popular belief, and those who are stigmatized for being different. Nicolaus Copernicus was regarded as a heretic for his idea that the Earth revolved around the sun. There is always the unpopular with there unpopular beliefs and the mob that supports the popular consensus.
I'm not sure if that is what the anti-vaxers are fighting for (I think most of them don't want it for "reasons") but I just find it ironic that there is always a group of people who are misunderstood, labeled a certain category, and are never properly heard from. I think we as a society can and should do better. I'm not condoning any of the crazy things some of these people have done because a lot of it is stupid and irresponsible. I do believe though, that people get pushed to do stupid things because they want to be heard.
All this stigmatization does is further divide people. And this is much more exponential because of peoples self-righteousness.
So quick to call into question people's intelligence. What about the counter protest that was in the exact same spot? Noone seems to care about the irony of that. Keep patting yourself on the back though.
My understanding was that wasn't a protest at all, but was a group of people gathering to show support for the health workers. Those people weren't protesting anything.
In the exact same spot that was widely criticized for protesting at. "do as I say not as I do"
One group has education and all their teeth? Maybe that's why they were supported.
Or could be that out of a city of 100,000 only a few hundred showed up to protest this. So the vast majority are fully against these morons
It's funny how it's the defacto response to question intelligence and character of the people protesting. Your own argument is illogical because the counter protest/show of faith had a significantly smaller number. If you want to go on that alone I'd say that these anti mandate people would have more support than you think.
The local radio station polled those for and against vaccine passports and it's was 80 percent against. Thankfully this entire subreddit just decided internet pills don't matter.
Can't even get a point straight which makes it all the more hilarious.
People have jobs. People have responsibilities. They don't have the time to show up during a work day and protest. The words you're looking for is the silent majority. You face book warriors sit in your basements and interact with people who think just like you. What you fail to realize is that the vast majority of the world does not agree with you. Also what radio station are we talking about? And when was the last time you heard of a radio poll being anything scientific?
Found the fucker with fetal alcohol syndrome right here!
🤣 Thats just precious. Cant think of a way to appropriately attest my comment so its straight to insults. You must be a triple doser. Congratulations pal.
Just 2 chief. But you clowns are definitely going to make me need s third one.
We all thank you for your wonderful commitment to keeping this (totally fake)pandemic going.
LOL we're spineless? You created a new fake Reddit account to post your nonsense instead of using your main account. You are an uneducated troll and a spineless coward.
Fact remains that vaxed people have the exact same if not a higher viral load than un-vaxed people which means vaxed people have the exact same transmissibility and non vaxed and if you want to get deeper into the uncomfortable truth hole, there is a VERY strong argument to be made that all you (useful idiots) are actually driving the delta + Other variants due to something called “ADE” which is to say: Anti-body dependent enhancement.
I want you to take a second and ask yourself, if this was really a pandemic, and the government truly had your health and safety in mind, why are there dates set for things to begin or end? Why is there a schedule? “Oh well give you unvaxed people another month of eating at a restaurant, but then on the 13th you’ll be considered unsafe all of a sudden. Don’t worry. Trust the science”
You’re crazy if you think this isn’t anything but a control move, and all you fucking people are being militarized and brainwashed into believing we are the enemy. We are not. Please wake up.
Thank you for proving once again how truly “smart” people from Google University are.
Those hours you spent earning that designation must’ve been truly exhausting.
You are the fucking idiot who needs to wake up. The science, proof, and overwhelming evidence proving the effectiveness of the vaccine is available, in abundance. Peer reviewed sources from the smartest doctors and scientists on earth - yet you plug your ears and find solace with your fellow nutters from /conspiracy instead.
Yeah, you know better for sure. Frontline workers burning out from all the extra resources being allocated to you anti-vax assholes on top of their already hectic workload. Overwhelming majority of people in hospital ICU's are the unvaccinated. Weird eh, almost like the vaccine.... works? But yes you know better, hurr durr muh freedums - you fucking troglodytes.
Haha you’re really that far gone are you? The vaccine doesn’t work. Like, at all. You can still get covid, you can still spread covid, and you can still die from covid. Facts. Indisputable facts. You have the EXACT same viral load as an unvaxed person. You’re an utter fool to believe otherwise. I hope you like booster shots for the rest of your life, because your vaccine is useless. It’s a great tool for control, though.
Never before in the history of mankind has a substance/product/medicine’s failures been blamed on those who haven’t even take the product. Get a hold of yourself, the reality you believe in is a lie.
LOL 76% of people in BC are fully vaccinated. Yet 100% of people under 50 in hospital ICU's [are unvaccinated](https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/british-columbia/2021/9/9/1_5579272.amp.html).
Yes, facts. You should read up on them sometime instead of displaying your ignorance with stupid posts like "the vaccine doesn't work, like at all". So if it doesn't work "like at all", why are the people in intensive care not at 50-50 split with vaccinated and unvaccinated, hmm? Even my children would see that it obviously helps. Good grief you can't be serious.
So how many people is that in total in the ICU are vaccinated. Who over 50 is in the ICU? Seems like you're really leaning on a very specific demographic. If you actually read the article it says that unvaccinated under 50 make up only 30/130 people in the ICU. Seems like you got one point from this article and sited it. Funny how uneducated people can also be from "google" university. Try reading the whole thing next time and maybe you could pull better points from the article that you site. By the way this isn't exactly a medical journal either. You're actually buthurt about people pulling info from news clippings when you do the exact same. Just lazy really
The overwhelming majority of covid patients in hospitals are the unvaccinated. Not even someone like you can argue that obvious fact. It's almost as if the vaccine... works. But yeah, you and your tinfoil hat buddies in conspiracy subs know better LOL.
So just dodge what I said. Congrats buddy I don't usually win on Reddit but when I do ;)
The only thing you are going to win is your Herman Cain award due to your ignorance. The fact the vast majority of people hospitalized are you anti-vax nutters somehow still isn't sinking in, is just sad. You are putting others in harms way, preventing herd immunity and causing the economy to suffer from your stupidity. I hope more places require the passport so you are kept away from normal, sane, productive members of society who want to be safe.
Overwhelming scientific evidence of the safety & efficacy after several billion jabs, and almost all hospitalized are anti-vax conspiracy nutjobs. Yet you pull down tightly on your tinfoil hat and refute the facts for some reason, thinking you are smarter than the brightest minds in the world. The only thing you will win is the derision of the rest of the people who want this to be over. So enjoy the rest of the world hating you. Congratulations!
No they don't. STAY OFF FACEBOOK!! Get facts from doctors. Not basement dwelling lunatics
I have been getting facts from doctors, thank you very much. I don’t use Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, etc. Try again.
Real doctors? Or speaking to your naturopath? Or wait, is this some sort of religious doctor? Chiropractor maybe? Or what?!
The guys a quack. Didn't find shit. Like the fired lunatic nurses you worship.
Oddly enough you're on this shitty app too. And you think that some quack ass loser that managed to pass medical school is the be all, end all if medicine?
Quack doctors attract quack patients.
Odd that you believe one idiot over hundreds of thousands of other doctors.
Freedoms for the world
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