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Am I doing the right thing by leaving baby until Snoo times out, or should I get him earlier?

Am I doing the right thing by leaving baby until Snoo times out, or should I get him earlier?

cme-33

try setting the starting level to level 1. my chart looked dramatically different after the night I did that - your baby might just like more motion!


pumpkinstout

Second this - try setting level 1 as baseline!


Dr_anj

Yup I use level 2 as baseline !! It seems so fast but it works


generic_user48

I will try this, thanks!


pumpkinstout

Is he crying? I don’t let my baby actually cry in the snoo - I just go get him immediately and soothe. If he’s just fussing lightly between sleep cycles, I give snoo a chance to get him back to sleep. But I get him immediately when he’s crying!


generic_user48

I’m having trouble telling the difference because he’s been gassy. So he’ll be asleep and sound like he’s crying, then immediately stop and be fast asleep again. If he’s awake and truly crying, I go get him.


pumpkinstout

Ugh the gassiness and grunt phase is the worst! It’s short lived!


BasicGenes

When my baby is gassy, if he can’t settle I take him out for more burping. Mine slept on me a lot when he was up to 6 weeks as it was the only way he would sleep during the day.


cme-33

the gassy noises are so confusing! we’d go to get him when it sounded like he was awake and upset, but he was still out. good news is you probably only have a few more weeks of that!


macaronfive

Gassy and grunting are normal, and they grow out of it. But you may want to put responsiveness to the lowest setting.


generic_user48

He seems to fall back asleep eventually, but Snoo hovers between level 1-2 (motion limiter on) in all those red areas. This morning his nap has been all red, but his eyes are closed. He’s previously been a pretty decent sleeper. Last night he kept falling asleep in my arms and then was waking up in the Snoo. I think he’s started going through a leap because he’s been very clingy and sucking on my breast a lot more since two days ago, but I’m not sure how to handle it. I will add that this is on high sensitivity, but I’ve had issues with normal sensitivity picking up his actual awake noises.


pumpkinstout

He might be going through a growth spurt and wanting more milk! Also all newborns are clingy! They’re happiest and feel safest when their mom is holding them!


Woods_it_to_ya

Ours is 5 1/2 weeks and started having similar issues around 4 weeks as well. All of the sudden she doesn’t want to nap. Night sleep isn’t as bad, but worse than it was a couple weeks ago. We have to make sure she is completely asleep before putting her down, and even then she sometimes wakes up and has to be soothed again by us before trying again. I agree, that this just be a growth spurt time. She seems to be getting back into a groove the last couple of days, but still pretty fussy.


ireallyhateoatmeal

Your post sounds EXACTLY like us right around the same age. Responsiveness issues, needing more motion, it’s red but baby is clearly asleep. A few things we learned: I kept responsiveness on high bc I’d prefer the snoo kick in vs not. We kept motion limiter on until about 7 weeks. Starting level 1 helped a lot for that initial wake up after settling and laying down. We turned car ride motion on. We wondered the very same thing about when to pick up baby when snoo is soothing. It’s tough. Bc you don’t want to rush in while baby is trying to fall back asleep and some babies are just loud sleepers like ours. Grunting, cooing, squealing. It took us time listening and watching him while snoo was soothing to determine what was a broken sleep cycle and what was what we call an “escalating” and real cry that meant he needed something. I did have some guilt for leaving him in there but it wasn’t bc we didn’t want to soothe or meet his needs we were just trying to figure out the best approach of caring for him but without being too reactive and Interrupting sleep. This took us some time to learn. Once you know your baby better over a few weeks you’ll know when he’s escalating to full blown awake needing something and you’ll hope right up half asleep. Also without zooming on on these red zones it’s hard to tell what’s actually happening here. Did it go to level 2, work quickly, then spend a lot of time in level 1??? Our baby had a TON of gas right around this age. It woke him a lot and there wasn’t a ton we could do in the moment. Snoo soothing or is soothing. Sometimes we did the bicycle legs and massage and tummy time in the middle of the night when it was bad, but ultimately he just needed to poop or pass the gas and we had to just ride it out. It was so hard. Lastly, at our 2 month appt, our pediatrician i independently confirmed what I read in happiest baby on the block: these are peak “colic” weeks 5-7 bc baby’s brain and neurotransmitters are changing so they will be fussy and moreso than their usual. Mostly it will subside in a few weeks. But definitely incorporate the 5s more. I wish we had sooner. Read the book though bc there are ways that you can do the 5s so they are more effective. Good luck. This will get better. We had many days that looked like this and now we have minimal red and know when it’s time to pick up right away. Our 9 weeker is doing 2 2 hour and 1 1 hr nap during the day and a 5.5 followed by 3.5 hr stretch at night. This is 5-6 nights/week.


generic_user48

Thank you so much for the detailed response, I'm glad I'm not alone in this. I just set my baseline to level 1 as I put him down for a nap just now. Fingers crossed that it helps! To answer your question, most of the Snoo soothing was spent in level 1. Often it just goes to level 1, then back to baseline. When it does hit level 2, it usually goes back to level 1 without increasing the soothing volume, except at the end of the naps when he's actually waking up and starts escalating. I've been trying to do the 5s, but he just will not take a pacifier (side note, I suspect this is because I have really small nipples and all the pacifiers we've tried are too big... haven't found one that works yet). But otherwise, I lay him on his side or stomach on me and rock in our glider until he falls asleep.


MommaSarge33

We think we had challenges with our LO taking a pacifier for similar reasons (small nipples), we found the newborn MAM ones to work finally around 6 weeks. Keep trying to get him to take it, eventually I bet he will.


generic_user48

We have some of these and they were probably the closest to success that I’ve had, but he still spit them out. I’ll keep trying with these and see if he’ll take them when he gets a little bigger!


andropogongerardii

I mean…it seems like your baby is in the Snoo a lot. I personally never let the Snoo time out. But I also only put him in for night sleep, and I soothe him to sleep before putting him in. IMO, The Snoo is good for connecting sleep cycles and keeping the baby from rolling. It’s not meant to be a replacement for you.


generic_user48

He’s only 4.5 weeks so he still sleeps a lot, and I read in the Snoo app that it’s recommended to do all naps in the Snoo to get the most benefits from it. We hang out with him while he’s awake and only put him down in the Snoo once he’s fallen asleep or is close to falling asleep, but yeah, I agree it’s not a replacement.


Euphoric_Accident_17

You’re right. Babies at that age are only up for at most an hour at a time. We put our baby to sleep only in the Snoo. Every time. By 8 weeks she was use to it and sleeping great. As for letting it time out it depends. Try and let the Snoo soothe your baby and if it doesn’t work then go in and do it yourself or see what’s wrong. You’ll learn what your baby wants as time goes on.


ireallyhateoatmeal

I just went back and looked at our red zones and it was similar. Sometimes it would get all the way to yellow and red sound but then go back to green then purple then blue. Then blue for 10 min and repeat the the cycle for the whole nap. So this all sounds very similar. In other words our baby was never full blown cry just not in a deep sleep and fussy. I remember reading a lot of posts that others experienced similar so I think this will get better. Ours never took to the pacifier either and I think for very similar reasons. There are smaller ones you can try but we figured why force it?? We do the feed-swaddle-feed and that helped a bit. The shushing according to Karp has to be louder than your babies fuss/cry or it won’t be effective. It feels mean but it did help. Then once settled you can quiet your shush. Pretty similar to how the snoo acts, honestly. Our baby absolutely loves the jiggly motion that karp talks about. I do that more than rocking. And then I jiggle him on his side all the way from my body to the snoo and then I roll to his back before securing the wings. It helped minimize the startle and the wake up when laying down. I hope this helps. Weeks 5-7 were the hardest but it got soo much better seemingly all of sudden. Hang in there!!


generic_user48

At night I try to do a quick change, feed, and then soothe. I wish we could leave him in the swaddle but he’s currently a constant stream of poop so we always have to change haha. Maybe tonight I’ll try changing him, swaddling, and then feeding! I also will try jiggling him as we go back to the Snoo, that’s a great idea. Thank you again for all the tips 🙂


ireallyhateoatmeal

Happy to help! Yea the middle of the night diaper changes are a real mood killer bc they wake them up!! I would definitely do it before the feed if he’s not too upset. Otherwise I feed enough to take the edge off, then change, then swaddle and finish the feed.


beeswaxerella

It's up to you! At that age, the soothing didn't work for us or the baby and even still (she's 14 weeks) we just lock it on baseline. If I were you, I'd get the baby more at that age—in my mind, you want to tank that kiddo up with food so he or she grows. That's what will ultimately get you longer stretches of sleep.


Trick-Collection-877

When ours was super gassy and grunty I turned down the sensitivity


ByteAboutTown

Out of curiosity, why do you have the motion limiter on? We personally never used the motion limiter, which worked out well for our LO, who was best soothed at level 3. I may be an outlier, but I nearly always let the SNOO time out, unless LO was crying in a way that I could tell he was hungry (so not the quieter whimpers). Like I said, our LO was better calmed at the higher levels and tended to calm down himself probably 75 percent of the time without me having to get him.