Report: Wentzville man among 13 marines killed in Afghanistan
By - PeddlerOfMisery
So sorry for the family and friends left behind…
Sad to think that at 20 years old he was a newborn when this whole mess started.
Rest Easy, Marine.
My condolences to the Family
Thank you for your service Lance Corporal Schmitz
Fair winds and following seas
This hits different. Not to underscore the thousands of other deaths, but this mess right now, it feels like 9/11. This does not mean I want to stay, it just feels different
Thank you for your service Lance Corporal Schmitz
Guy probably wasn’t even a year old by 9/11, what a waste. Glad we are out of there and hope we don’t go back (anywhere, even though we almost certainly will) but such a shame it cost people their lives.
Be sure to check out the dumpster fire at the bottom of this thread. Whew, we are so dumb
I happily voted for Joe Biden but holy shit am I regretting it right now. He is getting our troops killed and getting hundreds of innocent Afghans killed.
I don’t love to get political and I like to do my best to criticize all parties, but maybe take a step back and look at the whole context. I don’t want to say that Biden has no blame because he definitely shares the burden, however there’s a lot more to this.
Trump signed a deal with the Taliban to be out of Afghanistan in (I think May) this year, notably without the Afghan government’s involvement. Being maybe the only issue Biden and Trump agree on, Biden continued the path of getting out of the ‘forever war’ while pushing it back to Aug 31st to give us more time to plan our departure (also partly a political act surrounding 20th anniversary of 9/11, which I am not a fan of). The Taliban were underestimated by our military who advised Biden that we would have plenty of time to get our citizens and various Afghan/other allies out of the county. The lack of foresight surrounding the speed at which Taliban would take the country and the lack of planning in case of emergency evacuation from all parties is really what has caused the awful refugee evacuation situation leading up to attacks. Perhaps the fall of Saigon really is a good comparison.
Suppose you are the captain of a sailboat. The sails were set for you to reach your destination. The wind suddenly changes and now you are off course. You don't adjust and you crash. Do you blame Trump? Bc that's how silly you sound.
This is an absolutely ridiculous comparison. You're trying to frame this situation with zero context and no historical reference to past events. What's happening now is the end game that was put into motion years ago. Not a singular point in time.
Should we have re-invaded Afghanistan? That's what it would have took to change this situation. There were only 2.5k US troops in country in January and at that point the Taliban were already consolidating territory. Your arguments are entirely disingenuous
Joe Biden is the President. Not Donald Trump. Simple statement of fact.
If Joe Biden cannot make his own decisions and instead just does what Trump says…then who is the President?
That's neat. The world doesn't reset when a US president changes and neither do wars. There were 2.5k troops in Country when Trump left and the withdraw was already in motion. Taliban leadership was let out of prison and the Afghan government was undermined. Your motivations and fake sympathy are pretty obvious
Biden could have done whatever he wanted. He is the current President. He has the power now (not Trump - he is not our President now).
And yet he chose to kill those Marines. I'll never understand it. Why Joe Biden??? Why??!
Thank you for this mind-meltingly dumb comment. I wasn’t feeling hopeless enough about the world today.
It gets better. Look at the next one he made lmao
Why did Biden kill those soldiers. He's such a big jerk isn't he?
Huh? Joe Biden didn’t kill anyone. Terrorists did. Terrorists killed 13 American heroes.
Oh. I thought we were all blaming the President because NBC and General Dynamics told us to... My bad.
Have you ever had someone try to teach you something one way but you didn't understand? Then that same person came back with a new strategy and taught you the same concept a different way and you learned something? Have you ever made big plans and realized that it wasn't going to work? Then you take the original plan and modified it so it did?
Be like water. Water changes and adapts. That's what I want in a leader. Not rigid, but ever changing and fluid.
To answer your question, I give you a question. It's there no in between withdraw or stay? It's there another option that isn't black or white but gray?
You've literally said nothing.
Repeatedly lmao. This goober seems like he just wants to be confrontational but doesn't have enough knowledge about the situation to actually do so.
You can't say enough about the US military and how they handled the Afghanistan withdrawal. Why did you retire from your position of 4 star general again?
That has to be the dumbest argument for staying I've seen yet. Comparing the longest war our country's been in.....to a sailboat.
Our educational system is truly abysmal if you don't understand simple analogies
Digging a deeper hole is the only analogy here.
Take a nap, kid. Maybe a shower too, I dunno
Says the person who drew a dick squirting and posted on reddit 2 years ago.
“I went through your comment history and blah blah blah fucking blah!”
Edit: I just looked up what you were referring to and that’s one my finest achievements.
You really know your stuff fella.
That’s funny because I was fairly clear that many parties are at fault here (going way back to Bush and Obama admins as well)
Also please explain the destination in your analogy. What was the goal in Afghanistan??
In your analogy, instead of setting the sails, someone ripped holes in them and then let 5,000 Taliban loose on the boat.
So if that was the case, do you abandon ship or fix it?
Can't say, but what would you do with a treaty that the last 'sailor' signed saying that you had to crash the ship into the rocks before August 31st?
I do what I want if I'm the Captain.
I'm sure you would, champ. Now go run off and play sailor while the adults deal with the real world.
You don't want him to coach you more on how shitty the US military handled the Afghanistan withdrawal? He loathes the troops. He's not even an American.
You love defending the former host of NBC's The Apprentice.
Someone didn't read any bit of that comment at all
If you want to shift blame to others that's on you. The biggest person to blame is Biden
Why did he have those Marines killed? Tell us all. You have everything figured out.
Do you think pulling out was the wrong move? What should the mission be there? That country is ungovernable.
We should not have pulled out, no. Whether someone thinks that we should have invaded or not we owed it to the Afghan people to stay there and establish a functioning state. Leaving the Afghan people, especially women and ethnic minorities, to the claws of the Taliban is a disgrace
so, what's the end game? How many more Americans should die for the cause? How much more tax money are you willing to give up for corruption and the military industrial complex?
We should have stayed until the state could have fended for itself. Real, tangible gains were made in literacy, education, women's rights, life expectancy, income, GDP, etc. during our time support the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, and I fear that they will be lost now that the Taliban is in control. American military presence is not inherently some great evil; people can and have benefitted from our presence in the country. Spending money on the military can absolutely lead to gains in other areas and I'm proud to support our military
>We should have stayed until the state could have fended for itself
Except they don't want to. They surrendered without a fight. We can stay there for another 20 years, training an army, leave, and the same shit will probably happen.
So, for the rest of the foreseeable future? There was never going to be a time where your desires could be met. The best time to leave was 2002. The other best time is now.
You’re letting people lie to you about Afghanistan.
Some people just love war and hate education and healthcare.
They had 20 years to set up a functional government, with an army we paid for and armed and trained.
It folded in a week. Why? Because they didn't fight. They surrendered or ran. So instead of leaving like we should've, as we never should of been there in the first place, you want us to stay another 20 years? Spend another $4T for what?
No, this isn't all on Biden. It started with Bush and kept going til now. Not to mention this was Trumps plan, that he worked out with the taliban. And released their current leader from prison.
I can't upvote this enough.
We actually haven't paid for it yet.
As your ripping the shit out of the military this whole thread, you add that lie that you're proud to support our military. You Trumptards are hilarious.
Yeah, I’m such a Trumpist that I voted for Joe Biden. Get a fucking grip dude, not all Democrats are little peacenik babies who whine about imperialism online all day
Just what this country needs; another ineffectual centrist. Thanks for nothing shitlib.
I'm not convinced that we wouldn't have had the Taliban take over and violence against US troops if Trump was in charge.
I also doubt we would have evacuated as many Afghans if Trump was still President, his xenophobic policies wouldn't have it.
That was actually the entire plan
Trump's plan = Biden's fault? It sounds like you know very little about what's going on over there.
Why did Biden kill these soldiers? Haha. You have no answer!
Excuse me? We're getting out of there next week. The American deaths are about to stop. Btw 13 deaths is on the low, low end of deaths per year in Afghanistan. During the "troop surge" it was 400.
Hasn’t been a troop death there since Feb 2020. This pullout has been a disaster; you don’t pull out until every American and Afghan operator who assisted us that wants to leave is out. And you definitely don’t leave 85 billion in US munitions behind.
We have military presence in Germany, for God’s sake. 2500 troops is nothing.
You mean there hasn't been a death since Trump signed the treaty with the Taliban that said we would leave‽ That's amazing! Please list more cherry picked dates!
Did they force you out of your position as 5 star general or did you resign willfully because you're so much smarter than everyone else?
People were also told by this administration as late as LAST MONTH that the Taliban takeover was unlikely to occur for 18-24 months.
Go fuck yourself, fuck stick.
“The intelligence community did not say, back in June or July, that in fact this was going to collapse like it did," Biden told George Stephanopoulos in an interview that aired on Good Morning America Thursday.
Biden was told the Taliban would take over, just not at the lightning speed with which it happened.
"Not even close," Biden said.
His remarks echoed those Wednesday of Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley, who told reporters nobody predicted the Afghan government and army would collapse in 11 days.
*Milley said intelligence indicated it could take weeks, months or years* for such a collapse after the U.S. military departed from a country where it has been at war for two decades.”
Again, the administration is saying it isn’t worth it/they can’t afford a stop-gap troop presence in Afghanistan, yet we have active military bases in Germany, an international ally. This is foolish.
You’re welcome to cite a source where the Americans we’re going to leave behind in three days still in-country are all military contractors, btw, or you can kindly fuck off to whatever trash hole you rose up from.
Jesus Christ. Everyone else is blind to the truth except for you, is it? “FAKE NEWS!”
Read the reports of servicemen and servicewomen on the ground and former military; they think this is a fucking clusterfuck.
Either present facts supporting your argument or fuck off.
You voted for a senile guy because you didn’t like trump. Surprise surprise!! Who our president is, has consequences especially with foreign policy. Thousands of girls are going to be raped repeatedly. But at least our president isn’t offensive.
If Trump was president today and he followed through with the evacuation, the outcome would’ve been the same. I wonder why he scheduled it for his second term when blowback wouldn’t matter? Oh and no one believes for one second you give two shits about girls in Afghanistan.
I am extremely disappointed with Biden. But Trump was the one who engineered leaving Afghanistan. We had a sacred duty to the Afghan people and anyone who suggested leaving, Republican or Democrat, is absolute scum. I wish we still had Bush or Dick Cheney running, that's someone I could be proud to vote for.
> We had a sacred duty to the Afghan people
Lol wat, where do you get this from?
American involvement in Afghanistan started in 2001 in the middle of a civil war that had been going on for more than a decade. The Taliban controlled about 75% of the country except for the northern strongholds that were held by the Northern Alliance. The government was just barely functional enough to oppress people but not enough to help them.
Then we step in and give Afghan moderates 20 years to get their shit together and establish governance, and it doesn't work. Largely because the Afghans involved are terrible people. (See for example the Afghan President's response to all of this- fleeing the country with millions of dollars.)
Now 20 years later we leave the country, and the Taliban controls about 75% of the country except for the northern strongholds and what looks like a neo-Northern Alliance.
This is going to go down as the dumbest war in history because we spent 20 years, thousands of lives, and trillions of dollars for what is apparently zero effect. We've spent 20 years, thousands of lives, and trillions of dollars trying to drag a stubborn donkey down a path and the donkey is in the exact same place it ever was, just 20 years older.
We didn't break Afghanistan. We're almost literally leaving Afghanistan exactly how we found it.
Sounds like he did his *resurch*.
> I wish we still had Bush or Dick Cheney running
Wow. You have fucking brain worms you war mongering piece of shit. The vast majority of people wanted to get out so luckily you are in the minority. Cry about treatment of women but you would have no problem with our support of Saudi Arabia. Gtfo.
Everyone wanted to leave Afghanistan. The problem is how it was done. We could have left a very small amount of troops there, and continued to assist the afghani army with air support which they relied upon. It was safer to be stationed in Afghanistan than be a Chicago police officer.
Even if we didn’t leave troops there is NO question civilians should have been extracted before military. And 2 airports should have remained in US control. We provided the taliban 85 billion in military equipment. Our super power, night vision, is now in the hands of the fucking Taliban. You and I both know, for all of his faults, trump would not have handled it like this. You picked the lesser of 2 evils when you voted, but you ignored reality just like Biden did.
My point is that we are spoiled. And now Americans are waking up to true evil, and remembering what makes America so special.
You really hate the US military and how they handled the Afghanistan withdrawal.
We absolutely could not have left troops there after August 31st without breaking our treaty with the Taliban (brokered by Trump's white house) and resuming the war.
And nobody wants to acknowledge this part
Biden admin negotiated an extension on safe passage for Afghan and foreign nationals. [US State department statement](https://www.state.gov/joint-statement-on-afghanistan-evacuation-travel-assurances/)
I'm unclear on whether that means the final troop withdrawal is still set for the 31st.
Unpopular opinion but also true. Not even NBC could defend Biden.
Defend him for murdering those soldiers? No way dude. Not even NBC. Ironically Fox news has been giving him nonstop praise.
George bush destroyed the Taliban once and he could have done it again. Leaving Afghanistan was a horrible mistake.
You're using that word "destroyed". I don't think it means what you think it means.
It's a synonym to "*emboldened*" right?
That begs the question is America an Empire or a country? Is America responsible for controlling other nations to eliminate totalitarianism or terrorism? These are big questions. Do we sacrifice Americans lives for other countries when we were not invited to do so?
What a hero.
Why does Joe Biden rape girls? Oh man... Where did you resurch that?
I'm sorry the media tricked you. We are not even one year out and it is clear he is hollow inside. Just a shell of a man.
Edit: no rebuttal nothing. Just down votes.
There is a saying that you need to learn.
"It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Maybe y'all should do your own homework for next election instead of relying on copying someone else's.
Talk about being tricked by the media.. and not even a hint of irony.
The only news I watch is The Hill. I rarely do that now anyway. Are you suggesting something else? I basically do my own research, watching raw videos without any media giving me their input. From that, I make my own unbiased opinions. You should do the same.
That's the usual speel. But do you want to know why it's always false? Because the people saying it only apply their supposed logic to one side of the aisle. I welcome you to disprove it - if you've done your own research then you'd know who started the war, who kept it going, and who made a deal with the taliban after releasing their leadership from prison.
Tell me, what **exactly** is your unbiased proof of the emptiness of Joe Biden?
Watch the debate between Biden and Sanders during the primaries. Watch the videos as he was campaigning from home. Watch how the man doesn't have any original ideas but simply reads a screen. He squints his eyes but you can still track them moving from right to left. While you are at it, listen to the questions he was answering from the media one month ago and his responses. The man literally doesn't answer a single question and throws an irrelevant response out that ppl think it's "funny." This shit is not funny. This is a joke of a president.
If you paid any kind of attention, he exhibited this for years. He literally gets lost in his own sentences. If you want to see what he was like ten years ago, I encourage you to watch a speech while he was VP and compare to today.
Do your own homework and stop defending the media's endorsement of this empty sad man.
Surprise, I already don't like Biden. I'm not a fan. I liked and still like Bernie. But I'm also not daft enough to think that we'd be better off with that criminal Trump still around, so the choice was limited. He's done better than I anticipated, but for all these people that allowed for Biden to sneak into the oval suddenly being upset with his Afghanistan withdrawal is the height of disingenuousness.
I'm not 12, I'm well aware of his record. I'm more against his Iraq vote and 94 crime bill.
>Do your own homework and stop defending the media's endorsement of this empty sad man.
Maybe don't think you know who you're talking to when you don't.
You literally just said "that's the usual speel" to me generalizing me and then turn around and say don't generalized. 🙄 Then you ask for unbiased proof of the emptiness of Biden. Then come back and say you don't like him either. If you don't like him then you should have agreed with me from the jump instead of making me type this shit. You are a joke.
Nice try! Not to mention, I was right.
Saying he is empty because he sucks is hyperbolic. He stands for plenty of things, those things just suck. He's the living embodiment of the center.
When your choices are criminal or shill, I guess the shill gets it. But if all we do is shit on him, little hard to get things passed or moreso pass some ok bills to then use that good will to pass something bigger of substance. Like Bernie is doing.
My problem with you is the emptiness of your critique.
I heard he kills babies. I researched it.
>I basically do my own research
Well that explains why you're such an idiot.
>From that, I make my own unbiased opinions.
Every opinion is bias you melt, that's why it's an opinion and not a fact.
He meant to say *resurch.*
Man, you really need to learn to read. I make my opinions unbiased from the media. I'm not saying opinions are unbiased. There is a difference.
Except that's *not at all how you said it*
> From that, I make my own unbiased opinions.
There absolutely is a difference, maybe you should learn how to express yourself better. My reading was just fine, your choice of wording is the issue.
The man does his resurch! And he's never been biased ever. Get over it!
Why are you arguing over irrelevant things? You are that guy who finds one misspelling in a paragraph and think the whole point is invalid. Grow up.
Your whole point is invalid.
Cuz its not irrelevant and that's not at all what's happening here. You said one thing, got called out for being an idiot, then tried to lie and say that isn't what you said. If anyone here needs to grow up it's you. You're not more intelligent than the people you're replying to, you're not smarter or whatever for "doing your own research", you're just coming off as an idiot.
You know who else does their own research and makes "unbiased opinons" off it? Flat eathers and antivaxxers. Now crawl back to whatever right wing circlejerk sub you came from.
You literally said nothing but throw insults. I'm talking to a child.
Wait... You do your own research? What's your segment on The Hill called?
Oof. Big yikes if this is a real opinion
You should impeach him.
13 marines were not killed in Afghanistan.
11 marines were killed in Afghanistan.
One sailor was killed in Afghanistan.
One soldier was killed in Afghanistan.
I know it seems like a minor detail, but maybe there's a degree of merit to demonstrating respect toward their respective services.
For those that don't know:
Marine => Marine Corps
Soldier => Army
Sailor => Navy
Airman => Air Force
Guardian => Space Force
Coast Guardsman => Coast Guard
Citizens that choose to serve don’t get to pick where and how they are utilized. We also don’t join for the opportunity to kill people; we join because we love this country and want to serve.
I mean, most join because of cycles of poverty and the exploitive practices of recruiters, but, yeah, that too.
Eta: Plenty of people following 2001 did actually join “to kill people”. Obviously not this fallen Marine, but the point stands. Please don’t ever pretend otherwise - it does every life lost a disservice.
Most? I think you are way off base there.
You made the claim.
[Yes, I stated a fact. ](https://taskandpurpose.com/joining-the-military/5-reasons-soldiers-join-army/) You can find hundreds of further sources.
Anecdotally: I know dozens of veterans. None joined out of a sense of patriotism, though all took their oaths seriously (and by seriously I mean they actually care about the constitution, not Republican’s twisted interpretation of it). My point is not to denigrate the military. I’d be criticizing my own family. My point is only to highlight the truth.
Those data points do not support your position. Did you even read this story?
Are you a veteran?
They literally do though. As does further reading. Do you not know what “economical reasons” means? Maybe the problem is your ability to process other’s writing? Or maybe you misread my comment.
Edit: Just read your post history. You are clearly only interested in partisan politics and cannot discern fact from fiction.
Want to serve America is not a noble pursuit. We haven't needed protecting in centuries. You've just been tricked into thinking you're doing anything worthwhile