T O P

Moved out to St Charles so I could afford a house.

Moved out to St Charles so I could afford a house.

HaggardSummaries

Doesn't St. Charles have a higher vaccination rate than the city? Edit: The answer is yes, but the mental gymnastics below are pretty amusing.


dcraig275

As of this morning, CDC.gov (suspect source I'm sure /s) shows St. Charles at 52.1% fully vaccinated vs 53.2% for St. Louis County and 46.6% for St. Louis City.


dazed_and_jaded

It's because the county has more elderly people(25% vs 12%) and the elderly have very high vaccination rates (something like 90+ percent)


BillyBuckets

If what you’re saying is true, then we’re seeing Simpson’s paradox at work.


ItSmellsLikeEther

and St Charles county isn't full of geriatric white flighters?


dazed_and_jaded

As far as percent of population it's close to the city 15.1 vs 14.6% ​ St. Charles is doing the comparative best of the three, and the city the worst but they're pretty much the same as far as people getting vaccinated that aren't high risk due to age fwiw.


T20sGrunt

STC also has had a good population jump. Sloooowwwly becoming more diverse and getting more blue voters. Also Stefanina’s > Imos


Blues2112

> Also Stefanina’s > Imos But Stefanina’s < Angelos/Pirrones


T1Pimp

>But Stefanina’s < Angelos/Pirrones Yeah but the guys who own Pirrones are alcoholic racists. MASSIVE alcoholic racists.


Fireman_9516

At least Stef’s that’s all their locations are owned by family members only! Keeping it in the family offers that the standards are never lowered to what the founder wanted!


JethroLull

So are the guys that own Imos


T1Pimp

Is that so? I don't know much about Imos beyond the fact that if you don't loosen the pie from the bottom of the box after it's delivered you're going to be eating either just toppings or pieces of cardboard on the bottom of every slice. I personally knew the owners of Pirrones and they are fuckwads of the highest order.


Fireman_9516

Each IMO’s if not a family owned store of which there are very few, so 99% are franchised owned!


JudgeHoltman

Oh, do they live in St. Charles?


T1Pimp

I believe one does. I think the other might still be in North Country. It's been several years since I've had to have any interaction with them though so I can't be sure (nor do I care) about them.


T20sGrunt

Pirrones in St. Peters :). And Frankie Toccos is no joke. But was referring to delivery


Fireman_9516

Pirrones is a joke of a pizza! It’s horrible and nasty. Are their once (St. Peters) had a coupon and was told that the coupon couldn’t be used for exactly what was written on the coupon! I replied my statement to the waitstaff stated that we’d never be back. We were with a party of 27. Not one of the 27 we were with has went back and that was back in early 2000’s! And when you give out a coupon, let’s say it’s for 2 large 2 topping pizza, garlic bread and a salad and you save $5 and when it’s you order what’s on the coupon and you show it to the waitress and she accepts it as exactly what is on the coupon and when you go to pay you are told the coupon is not valid, you don’t go back!


pioneer9k

What was their reason for not honoring the coupon?


ItSmellsLikeEther

My point being that SLC is still at a higher rate of vax than SCC. I don't know how many people that 1.1% accounts for though. Also a little surprised SCC broke like 20% if we're being honest.


IHeartSm3gma

By about 10% the last time someone posted the stats in this sub


chopsueysuicide

Yeah but the unvaccinated in the city also aren't anti-mask. I think we'll get the vaccination rate. In the meantime in St. Charles the people without the masks/vaccines are also ideological


organichedgehog2

LOL "forget about the statistic and listen to the stories I've heard!"


chopsueysuicide

Yeah news reports about anti-vax protesters are just "stories."


organichedgehog2

They do absolutely dick to dispute the actual statistics. Keep ignoring the statistics to reinforce your narrative, bud. I'm sure there's no anti-maskers in STL, *definitely* nothing you could find by googling "st Louis anti mask". Not like those stupid fucks in STC


chopsueysuicide

No ones debating the vaccines statistics moron. I'm not arguing that St. Louis City has a higher vaccine rate. The problem is your inability to walk and chew gum at the same time and assume all people who aren't getting a vaccine are the same. We have a high black population that isn't getting vaccinated. That isn't the same demographic as white conservatives outside the city moron. And the anti-mask and anti-vax movement is overwhelmingly associated with conservative politics. The city government didn't refuse to enforce mask mandates like in St. Charles. So what's your actual point? You're argument is "hurr durr vaccine levels lower in the City this automatically means anti-vax sentiment is higher." No the hesitancy to get vaccines in the city is neither qualitatively nor quantitively the same. Which is pretty much the stance you're taking.


organichedgehog2

So let's get this straight. Personal attacks, check. Ignoring statistics, check. Anecdotes over data, check. Sounds like your arguments are all in a row. "BLACK PEOPLE DONT COUNT, DUMB WHITE HICKS BAD"


Churlish_Turd

Black people were experimented on and were subject to forced eugenics from fake vaccines within the last 60 years. They’ve got a reason to be distrustful. White people? Not so much. Feel free to offer up evidence of state and federal governments enacting eugenics on white people if you can


organichedgehog2

quit making excuses for anti-vaxxers. That logic doesn't even hold.


setyte

See there's another one. I'm so tired of hearing about Tuskeegee. Do people think when a black person walks in there is some sleight of hand switching out the vial?


chopsueysuicide

BLACK PEOPLE AREN'T PUSHING FUCKING CONSPIRACY THEORIES. THEY AREN'T VOTING FOR AN ENTIRE PARTY TO RESIST MASK MANDATES AND "OPEN UP THE ECONOMY" HOW DUMB DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO EQUATE THOSE TWO THINGS?


setyte

I dunno. Im black and I've been reminded of Tuskeegee more times in the last year than the rest of my 35 years of life. Many minorities say they can't find the time to get vaccinated but there is also some paranoia mixed in.


organichedgehog2

WHAT I CANT HEAR YOU


Educational_Skill736

lol that there aren't plenty of anti-maskers in the city, and not ideological


chopsueysuicide

For the last year and a half I've been here and going into shops, people wearing masks. I've never had an incident or seen an anti-masker throwing some tirade like we've had stories from St. Charles.


FuckOffMrLahey

I saw two guys in the CWE like 2 weeks ago give some shit over having to wear a mask. Also I see enough people that just don't wear them around in restaurants. Staff included.


chopsueysuicide

So my claim wasn't to be that it never happened or that it didn't exist. Just that it's not at the same rate as outside the city.


Educational_Skill736

"Your vaccine statistics don't fit my preconceived notions of the world, let me counter with my unverifiable anecdotes about masking'"


chopsueysuicide

What are the facts we know? It's mostly black people not getting the vaccine which is why the city is lagging behind. Unless black people suddenly become white conservatives in St. Charles I don't see the ideological resistance to masks and vaccines. You're the one claiming there IS an anti-mask crowd in the city. Go show me the demographic and I'll listen. I think the reasons why we have low vaccination rates is different than St. Charles.


justfuckingstupid

More like, vaccine statistics are absolutely meaningful, but they don't erase everything else. I also think it's a mistake to assume that getting the shot makes someone pro-vax.


NoodlesrTuff1256

Could be that some of the people that went ahead and had the shots did so 'under protest' and only because they feared the loss of their employment and income more than they did the vaccines. I also predict that as more businesses and other establishment of all kinds require vaccination for continued employment or just for admission (like certain theatres for example), some anti-vaxxers may throw in the towel and get vaccinated. Some of these notorious anti-vaxx Facebook influencers might come up with some kind of 'detox vitamin protocol' or 'healing crystals aromatherapy' treatment to counteract the 'ill effects' they mistakenly believe are caused by the Covid vaccines. A compromise 'solution' if you will or if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. The hardcore anti-vaxxers might view this as 'treason' and a schism might open up in their movement.


IHeartSm3gma

This sub in a nutshell since Feb 2020


chopsueysuicide

Alright feel free to show us the city school district meetings with people throwing tantrums about masks. Or Critical Race theory. Go pick your topic. It's not just anecdotes.


IHeartSm3gma

I don't pay attention to city schools nor do I give a shit


erikkustrife

Hey I don't want to heat this argument up but as an employee of webster groves we did have to call the cops on a anti mask parent throwing a temper tantrum. Just the one time this year though.


chopsueysuicide

Man how convenient. If I live in a bubble I never have to question whether my beliefs are true or not.


Oehlian

Last time I checked it was like 1%


donkeyrocket

In my experience, the city tends to be taking other measures more seriously though. Yes, vaccination rates are lower but mask compliance is higher among other things. The case rate in the city is a lot lower (currently) than St. Charles and St. Louis Counties.


Brad_Wesley

> The case rate in the city is a lot lower (currently) than St. Charles and St. Louis Counties. St. Louis city: 26 cases per 100,000 St. Louis County: 25 cases per 100,000 St. Charles County: 30 Cases per 100,000 https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/missouri


Brad_Wesley

Yes but don't let that get in the way of people believing what they want to believe.


Riplets

I'd be willing to bet a Stag and an order of toasted ravs that south city STL is *significantly* higher than north city and that north city is the area that is bringing down the city's average.


Brad_Wesley

I would agree with you.


T1Pimp

>Doesn't St. Charles have a higher vaccination rate than the city? They lagged initially and refused to do dick about anything for the longest time. But yes, now they have higher vaccination rates. Also, more elderly people, more white affluent people with access to transportation, jobs that will easily work around schedules, the ability to take sick time if the initial side-effects are tough, and so on. They also refused to do much of anything to mitigate things so let's hold off on giving them prizes of any kind.


CouldntBeMoreWhite

That's a lot of words when you could have just said "yes, but I don't like that they do."


JethroLull

I like that they do, but I also acknowledge the things that u/t1pimp said. This may come as a surprise, but not everyone wants to watch "the other side" suffer


T1Pimp

>This may come as a surprise, but not everyone wants to watch "the other side" suffer The reality is that unless you're in the boonies there will be crossover between city and county. It's not either/or. One of my biggest complaints about St. Charles was that huge bar/club (never been myself) that was packed to the gills every night even at the first height of the pandemic. Not a mask in sight. It's 100% on Saint Charles for allowing that to happen. That said, it wasn't ONLY Saint Charles people going there and they are just as likely, maybe more in this scenario, to bring it back out of Saint Charles (or even could have been the ones taking it there helping spread it in a place with no restrictions of any kind!).


TheHow55

as a st Charles resident, Can confirm the many nights i would drive down main street to pick up food during the spring/summer last year, seemed like every 3rd or 4th car had Illinois plates. just anecdotal but my fiance and i were always shocked by the quantity, so who know how many of the MO plates were from the city


T1Pimp

Yes. But neither of those jurisdictions had any control over how businesses operated. If it was not open then it wouldn't have mattered.


always_gretchen

This right here. People are sharing the death rates of the county and city while completely ignoring other factors that are coming into play here.


Brad_Wesley

The issue at hand is whether or not someone who moves to St. Charles from the city to get a cheaper house is now going to die. Of course, that was hyperbole, so I will re-phrase the issue as: Is someone moving to St. Charles reasonably more likely to die. The answer is "no". The reasons why that it is the case are relevant to being able to claim some sort of moral superiority, but irrelevant to the issue at hand.


NacreousFink

Also, aren't there plenty of affordable houses in the city and county?


donkeyrocket

Yes. County maybe less so depending on where. Plus you don't have to live in St. Charles.


Fireman_9516

I’ve lived in St. Charles County, Missouri since our family moved to here in 1969. This use to be a sleepy farm county community. As the saying goes, if you build it they will come! This is true!!! Since 1983ish this county has been the fastest growing county in Missouri and once in the USA. Just like any other county their is politics and some don’t like the politics! But as I say, only one term and vote them out, elected position is not a lifelong political position to retire from. One big drawback between living in the city of St. Louis, MO & St. Charles County is that you have to pay a water bill in St. Charles County.


KommanderKitten

I guess I'm going to watch The Mummy today


Penis_Envy_Peter

Brendan Fraser sure was a cut of hot beef in the 90s.


SewCarrieous

You’re doing it wrong


J2ee420

yes


reddog323

Eh, shop early or late for groceries, (it’s less crowded). Avoid crowds, pick up carryouts from restaurants. It will all blow over, at some point.


Hellmark

I've been doing that since all this shit started. I've still had people try to pick fights with me because I was wearing a mask. Like, I never said anything to them, and they just came up to me getting belligerent for simply wearing a mask.


Cat_Panda_Canda

I live close enough to O'fallon. Not so much recently, but when this whole thing first started I got some dirty looks for wearing a mask. I've noticed though, if someone is wearing a mask others may follow. Like today I went to the dentist, only person waiting was wearing a mask so I put one on before going in the building. Then another lady came in who didn't have one on. After getting seated, she put one on too.


Hellmark

It was really bad in the beginning. I ended up avoiding most stuff near by to not have to deal with it


N0V0w3ls

Where at? I've never seen this behavior myself.


NoodlesrTuff1256

Wonder if you find less of it in the city of St. Charles itself and more of it further out in some of the more podunk hicktowns in the county?


N0V0w3ls

I generally shop around the corridor from Mid Rivers to Zumbehl. But I've also gone up to Elm Point by the Sugarfire up there.


reddog323

I’m sorry to hear it. That’s a riproaring pain in the ass. If they’re all about freedom, as most conservatives are, I don’t see why they don’t leave you alone. Then again, it’s Saint Charles county.


Hellmark

because they're really not about freedom. They're about conformity to what they believe.


ZookeepergameThin399

As a st Charles county resident, I much prefer shopping in St Louis county because more people wear masks. Also less trucks with “Trump 2024 *f*ck your feelings*” stickers (sorry I saw that at the Lake Saint Louis Starbucks this morning).Come on St Charles, at least turn a shade of purple


reddog323

I don’t blame you. City resident here. Most people are pretty conscientious about masks, and it’s rare that you see a red cap with stickers on a pick up. I’m sorry you have to put up with that crap out there.


Physical-Agency-3569

The old guard of south side residents just don’t wear their hats outside. Half of carondelets still fighting the civil war


ewheck

St. Charles County 7 day rolling avg. deaths according to the New York Times: **0** St. Louis County 7 day rolling avg. deaths according to the New York Times: **2** St. Louis City 7 day rolling avg. deaths according to the New York Times: **46** Bad meme.


Fireman_9516

You can find houses in St. Louis City cheaper than St. Charles County


CouldntBeMoreWhite

It's so weird that city redditors keep posting stuff like this that goes directly against any and all statistics.


B-rry

Completely anecdotal but STC is a lot more red than the city. All my friends and family in STC don’t trust the government because all they watch is sensationalized news. The ones who have gotten sick who are not healthcare workers refuse to go get tested. They know they had it due to symptoms and were down for like a week and, thankfully, didn’t need to go to the hospital. So I know more than a handful of people who are not being counted in the numbers. Not saying the numbers are wrong but I suspect they’re WAY worse than is being reported. Definitely more to the numbers


VivecWasAnInsideJob

Looks to me like you're on the wrong side of the RI-VERRRrrr


J2ee420

loll yup, If you guys want some Jerry Springer level entertainment go watch the SCC county council meeting from this monday.


nerddtvg

https://youtu.be/UqJ4Yl7i1Y8 For those that want it (no one should actually watch this)


deadasdisco_stl

Ooh that’s long. Any highlights?


nerddtvg

I only watched towards the end where they table the bill. Brazil gets all up in arms and works the room into a frenzy about big government and other things. It starts around 2:19: https://youtu.be/UqJ4Yl7i1Y8?t=8355


NoodlesrTuff1256

Who's 'Brazil'? Some government person out there or one of these far-right activist types?


nerddtvg

https://www.sccmo.org/1354/Joe-Brazil---District-2 Council member. Crazy person.


T1Pimp

I just popped into 59mins and wowza... these people are fucking ignorant.


J2ee420

At the last meeting, one lady brought a map of Afghanistan and said “This is what we are doing to our children by making them wear masks”


T1Pimp

I'd love to walk by, cut myself, and touch them with blood and then apologize that I have HIV. They would predictably freak the actual fuck out. At that point, I could explain I don't but that had I done that I could be criminally prosecuted regardless of having known I had HIV or not... and that their actions are essentially the same thing except they don't even have to touch anyone. They just have to continue being the mouthbreathers that they are.


NoodlesrTuff1256

With all the new drugs available to prevent and treat HIV, I don't know that if that would freak them out the way it would have back in the 80s. Mention 'Ebola' instead.


T1Pimp

I wouldn't expect many of them to have any clue about Ebola. COVID is preventable and treatable too which is why I used HIV/COVID together.


effervescenthoopla

We're in it together, comrade. STC has a long way to go, but I'm sticking through it. Be the Leslie Knope of this Pawnee.


and_another_dude

sT ChARlEs BaD!!1!


Fireman_9516

Reading about the mask 😷 and related bs, here is the thing that you should know about a mask. It doesn’t restrict your breathing, it does help to contain the vaporized aerosol droplets dispensed when someone is talking or sneezes. A sneeze can spread tens of thousands microscopic aerosolized droplets of water molecules that can reach out upwards of 6’ and be suspended in the air currents for minutes. If someone is an asymptotic person (a person who is carrying the Covid19 virus 🦠 but doesn’t show signs that they are carrying) and they sneeze you walk thru the aerosolized water molecules and by not wearing a mask you just infected yourself with the virus! Wearing a mask protects you from getting the virus, prevents you if you have the virus 🦠 from spreading it to your children, children at church/school/playgrounds etc. as well as helping to contain and stop the spread. I wear a mask at work, I work 12 hour shifts so I have a mask on all the time except to eat at lunch and then it’s back on. My wife who has sever breathing problems also still wears her mask 😷 when she’s not inside the home and she has zero problems wearing a mask! It is psychological in nature for the most part of those who say it restricts their breathing!


Fireman_9516

About the dreaded face mask 😷 Q: why does your dentist, dental hygienist, surgeons, other medical professionals wear a mask during a medical exam or procedure????? A: because you want them to keep their germs, saliva and other germs to themselves and not to spit in your open wound, mouth etc. and you don’t want them to give you something they maybe carrying either as they may be asymptotic! As a State Certified Firefighter, I’ve been wearing a face mask when needed too since 1985! Doctors, Surgeons and dentists have been wearing longer than that. Think about it, if there would be a problem with wearing a mask, the doctors wouldn’t of been wearing them since the 1800’s!


DivinityOfHeart

Come to North County!! Its also cheap and getting better. Especially the west overland saint ann area.


thelaineybelle

If I hadn't bought in Dogtown, this was exactly my target county area. I'm down to earth and scared of your typical Karen suburbs. Like terrified of the suburbs. New Town STC is a layer in Dante's Inferno for me.


DivinityOfHeart

My family was terrified of me living in noth county. My house was only 80k for a 3 bedroom, finished basement, updated features. My neighbors are all old ladies that jam out to gospel music on sunday and have the most amazing gardens. We just had a faire down the road.


thelaineybelle

This sounds delightful! Glad you found a great neighborhood. And now that I have a kid in the way, I may be looking to move back out that way.


DivinityOfHeart

Id hate to say the only flaw may be the schools. Perfect area for young, childless couples or retirees wanting to live cheap and clean. But from what I can tell the schools have not yet caught up.


thelaineybelle

Agreed. I have been a child free bachelorette since my divorce in 2009. Owning a small city home has been perfect. And here I am, just turned 40 last month, and expecting my daughter in November. The schools issue is now on my mind. I will continue to monitor the schools and discussing stuff with folks who have dealt with this very thing. We have a few years until choices are to be made.


ldyhys

Pattonville is a pretty solid school district in north county and it ranges quite a few areas in NC as well (Bridgeton, St Ann, Unincorporated St. Louis county..). We currently made the move to a new house for the switch in school district for our baby. There’s also Parkway as well.


thelaineybelle

Nice! Thank you for the suggestion. I'm not from STL so the school districts are all unknowns to me.


ohaiitsgene

I moved out of Overland due to my partner wanting to be closer to their kids in South County, but I honestly miss it. Would move back up in a heartbeat, but Valley Park isn't terrible either.


DivinityOfHeart

I used to live in an apartment in Affton. It was nice and I do miss it, but my mortgage is cheaper than my rent was. I mainly miss all the great resturaunts nearby! Now I gotta drive about 10 minutes south to delmar for some good eating. That little street on woodson and midland could totally be made into a loop/grove-esque with some investment from some startup businesses


T1Pimp

And the majority of people are masked pretty much everywhere you go.


Fireman_9516

One great thing about St. Charles County vs St. Louis City and St. Louis County; is St. Charles County Ambulance District is very very progressive and has been for 30+ years and is very highly awarded for their progressive emergency medical training, and response!


Careless-Degree

What does “progressive” even mean in relation to ambulance services?


Fireman_9516

Well what does progressive mean? Cutting edge? First to try? Or does it mean ……oh look they are not even going to try something? Well here is something for you to do, go look at what they have started and implemented. Look at their awards. Look at what they’ve started and been awarded with. It’s easy to find out why they are so progressive here’s one number to look at is the amount of citizens that SCCAD has given that’s well into the 11,000+ citizens trained in the new CPR Program freely! None other in the state has trained more. Now ask yourself is that being progressive or regressive????? Go do your factual research about SCCAD, remember when you do your research to add a minus sign ➖ at the end of your topic before hitting enter. This will drop off the fake stuff!


Fireman_9516

Here is a helpful hint for you, if you would of just enter SCCAD and hit enter you would of gotten this page. Then if you could of scrolled down the page you’d find a wealth of information! https://sccad.com/wordpress/


Fireman_9516

Oh btw, every Fire Dept and Fire Protection District along I-70, St. Charles FD, Central County, O’Fallon, Lake St. Louis, Wentzville and now New Melle are so PROGRESSIVE that they are now front line ACLS Fire Truck equipped with ACLS Equipment and medication to start Advanced Cardiac Life Support! That means the firefighter/paramedics can start life saving medications, start iv’s, administer on scene 12 lead EKG sent radio to the hospital to a doctor in the ER, shock if needed before the ambulance arrives. Would you call that progressive pr regressive? But I told you they are very progressive! Oh when SCCAD officially opened their new HQ they received several more awards for not being regressive but being very progressive. Look at the STOP Program regarding heroin overdose started by a paramedic that has went statewide. Oh yet another progressive part. Maybe researching before responding!


Some_Alps7675

The homerism here is pathetic.


lenin3

This is the St. Louis Subreddit.


slapshot2742

The st Charles county vs St. Louis city deaths from covid- 512 to 501. Pretty comparable. If you look at St. Louis county they have 2,009 deaths. If you go by cases, St Charles has had 51,911 vs 30,288 in the city. STL county has 114,271. Do what you want with the numbers. I’m sure these numbers can be more relevant with the population considered but ain’t nobody got time for that. Cheers from ofallon. [https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/missouri](https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/missouri)


nerddtvg

>The st Charles county vs St. Louis city deaths from covid- 512 to 501. Pretty comparable. If you look at St. Louis county they have 2,009 deaths. Those numbers need to be normalized. Per 100k population: * St. Charles County: 127 * St. Louis County: 202 * St. Louis City: 167


kit_carlisle

Shh, you're gonna get yourself negative internet points!


CouldntBeMoreWhite

>I’m sure these numbers can be more relevant with the population considered but ain’t nobody got time for that. What an idiodic thing to say. Proportions are by far the most important numbers when looking at these things.


jmckeever823

Imagine being a dick to somebody on the internet


PeddlerOfMisery

Congratulations, you are fake news. Deaths per 100K: St. Charles County: 127 St. Louis City: 167 St. Louis County: 202


Hellmark

As if death is the only thing that matters. If you look at cases per capita, St Charles County is worse Cases per capita: St Charles County: 12912 St Louis City: 10077 St Louis County: 11494 I live in O'Fallon, and I have been harassed multiple times for wearing a mask while going out. The posts in my neighborhood on Nextdoor are pretty freaking toxic with people pushing anti-mask/anti-vaccine BS. Plus, when the hospitals are swamped with COVID cases, others who don't have COVID receive lower quality care. My wife died because of doctors being preoccupied with COVID and not getting a proper diagnosis for her until it was too late. My sister in law is a surgical nurse, and she has had to do frequent amputations due to clots caused by COVID. The number of people with no sense of smell or taste for months afterwards is sky high.


dontbajerk

Thing I'm seeing, the differences between them are marginal. Nobody should be trying to state one of these three groups are clearly better or worse in results terms, it's a toss-up with too many outside factors influencing it to say much even now.


Elbobosan

Having lived in St. Chuck for a lot of my life you have my sincere condolences. We did the opposite (StC to STL in early 2020) and I’m thankful every day. Got three kids in school with masks and actual plans for testing and quarantine. When I go to a store I’m way more likely to see someone say “Oh shoot, I forgot my mask” and ask politely if the store has any than to encounter a fully grown toddler having a tantrum. People act like the pandemic is real, science matters, and that minor efforts by the community can help keep everyone safe. It’s nuts.


open_perspective

StL is nice, and all the people you wouldn’t want to see don’t come out to StL because they’re afraid they’ll be shot. I’m like, “Ok, I live in Olivette, but that’s fine Karen, you do you.”


NacreousFink

Even in the city proper most areas aren't bad. But the ones that are bad are horrific.


jasonchristopher

Our move from STL to STC was rough for us. But, there are us liberal active voters in St. Charles. Some of us had to move because raising a kid off south Jefferson after getting a gun put in your face several times is unfortunately not a risk worth taking. The city is where I feel at home, but it has so many problems to contend with, when you throw a kid in the mix the choice is almost made for you.


barfytarfy

City of St Charles school district requires masks. Maybe one of the only SD’s in the county? I’m not sure. As long as you don’t go too far west St. Charles isn’t bad. And by too far I mean like 5-10 miles beyond the bridge. Once you hit St. Peter’s and beyond there are too many churches and not much common sense.


Elbobosan

So it’s just most of St. Charles, fair enough. I’d have had kids in a FZ school and I’m glad I don’t. The church schools, I can’t even imagine.


N0V0w3ls

Actually, my kid's private school in St. Charles masked up. My 3 year old is wearing hers like a champ.


Elbobosan

I’m glad to hear that. And props to your girl.


NoodlesrTuff1256

I'm guessing megachurches of the Joel Osteen variety.


WarpLite

Yes virus is real but please stop virtue signaling ffs


Elbobosan

It’s not virtue signaling. The things I’m talking about lead to fewer infections and deaths. It’s better where I live now because people here are trying. I’m happy to have lower risk for me and my kids because of having moved. My situation being better doesn’t make me better, I never said it did and I can be happy about it without it being virtue signaling. Or if your saying wearing a mask is virtue signaling, you’re a moron. Or are you defending the rights of grown toddlers to have public tantrums over basic public safety measures?


WarpLite

No the constant reminders is virtue signaling. It’s like a nagging mother at this point which is freakin annoying. Thanks for assuming my opinions and attacking my a character by the way. Great look on you 👍 great way to convince someone to have your similar mindset. Lmao


Elbobosan

I constantly remind you to the point of nagging? We don’t know each other. I literally didn’t know you existed until you reached out to me. This is a really odd thing to say. You’re offended? You accused me of virtue signaling and ended with ffs. Your victim complex is showing. We don’t have the same mind set. I’m not trying to convince you. I didn’t even assume your opinions, I asked questions and stated my opinions about the hypothetical version of you that held that stupid opinion. If that hypothetical version of you I find to be an irrational moron and the real you are significantly similar then that’s truly unfortunate for you and I’m glad we’re strangers.


SkittlesMcClure

Good lord. You are just out here murdering St. Charles Spreadnecks. LOL.


Elbobosan

Spreadnecks is a new one to me. That’s fantastic, thank you.


WarpLite

I don’t even live in st Charles county. Good one.


SkittlesMcClure

No one cares what spreadneck county you plague rats live in. He murdered you just accept it and stay dead.


WarpLite

Love the insults


organichedgehog2

You sound mad that STC leads STL in like, every covid metric, including vaccination rate. Typical. Doesn't quite fit your bullshit narrative when these dumb hicks are getting vaccinated at a higher rate and dying at a lower rate.


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WarpLite

This is a public forum. There is no “reaching out “ Keep calling me stupid and a moron when I never even stated any opinions yet. Down vote me to oblivion !! Wooo


Elbobosan

Well I guess since I said reached out instead of replied then I’m a virtue signaling nag who serves as a constant reminder of your stupidity and the public benefits of doing things like wearing a mask during the pandemic. I am actually kind of okay with that.


T1Pimp

>No the constant reminders is virtue signaling. It’s like a nagging mother at this point which is freakin annoying. So... to combat constant virtue signaling you're going to constantly anti-virtue signal? Nobody needs to attack your character. It's on full display.


CouldntBeMoreWhite

Did you move to St. Louis City or St. Louis County?


Able_Signature1689

People move to st charles to get away from dumb shit like this post.


NothingmancerBlue

Freedoms and vaccinations. https://www.reddit.com/r/StLouis/comments/pewrk4/is_st_louis_city_gonna_let_st_charles_beat_them/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


CouldntBeMoreWhite

It is hilarious that people on this sub keep trying to rip on "hoosier white trash not getting vaccinated" when St. fucking Charles has better vaccination rates than the city.


daGOAT_SMOKEHEAVY

It’s even funnier when you consider how many themselves are white trash. lot of self righteous hypocrites in the world.


PiLamdOd

I went to downtown St Charles last weekend to get some Salt and Smoke take out. Holy shit, crowds of people and few if any masks. What the hell is wrong with that city?


RepostResearch

> Holy shit, crowds of people and few if any masks. What the hell is wrong with that city? He says unironically while traveling to a location with fewer restrictions for his own entertainment, while simultaneously contributing to the crowds of people.


PiLamdOd

While fully masked and vaccinated.


PeddlerOfMisery

Boo hoo. Get your shot and move on with life. People who are still scared after getting vaccinated are the ones who are, to put it nicely, mentally deficient.


PiLamdOd

Ah, so you've either never read the CCD or WHO recommendations, or you're to stupid to understand them. Gotcha.


PeddlerOfMisery

No, I understand just fine. After vaccination, the risk of severe illness is minimal and the risk of death is close to zero. I couldn’t care less if I end up with a case of the sniffles, ergo I live my life normally and do not distance or wear a mask.


PiLamdOd

Let me guess, you also drive without a seatbelt since you really have airbags?


PeddlerOfMisery

Wow that’s a terrible comparison. Masks supposedly don’t protect the wearer so that would be like me complaining about someone in another car not wearing their seatbelt.


PiLamdOd

Masks are still useful for protecting the wearer. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html And they help protect others. So are you just trying to be a selfish ass who gets other people killed?


thelaineybelle

Breakthrough infections are happening to vaccinated folks bc we have not yet achieved herd immunity (thank you anti vaxxers). And someone like me (vaccinated and 3rd trimester pregnant with a high risk pregnancy) is not mentally deficient. I'd love to go out and enjoy a restaurant or a show. Not happening though. So thanks for playing.


J2ee420

idk man I work a career that mentally deficient people would have a very hard time working.


5MonkeyPunches

We arent sheep that are scared to go outside I guess.


PiLamdOd

You're blindly trusting anybody other than actual experts? So you're an idiot?


5MonkeyPunches

I not trusting talking heads on corporate news channels, "experts" that are funded by pharmaceutical companies, and politicians makes me an idiot well then I guess so.


PiLamdOd

That's why you listen to medical experts who publish their sources, which are peer reviewed scientific papers. The CDC has source lists with their recommendations. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html


NoodlesrTuff1256

He/she probably listens to people like America's Frontline Doctors and local chiropractor Eric Nepute.


HuskyNinja419

C'mon man, you know it's a dude.


J2ee420

🤷


GATh33Gr8

Welcome to St Charles County! And enjoy the stupidity and entitlement that comes with it


whiskysage2

And also the Bass Pro Shops.


Bissrok

Did we forget to knock down the bridges to it during the pandemic?


5MonkeyPunches

Please move back to the city. Dont ruin things for us.


funkyNOMk3y

Asshole fucking mayor. The only thing he's done this entire pandemic is put up an awareness billboard in Jan 2021. Fuck him. Piece of shit fat fuck


ClaySteele

What movie is this from?


J2ee420

the mummy


RageAgainstTheSurge

The best one. No disrespect to Lon Chaney fans, but Arnold Vosloo was awesome. Also, this was Brendan Frasier in his prime.


ozurr

I'm beyond happy his star is rising again.


ikesbutt

I can't even bring my self to watch the one with Tom Cruise.


RageAgainstTheSurge

Don't. They try to squeeze in Russel Crowe as *Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde*.


ikesbutt

What?😲😲


Appropriate-Volume

1st mistake.... "moved out to St. Charles"


J2ee420

Sigh… yea I recently came to terms that I made a poor decision. Now I am just waiting for property values to increase to the point that I can sell and come back home 🙏


Fireman_9516

On mask 😷 and wearing of a mask here’s a quick question. Respond to the question by a Yes or a Y or No or N. Q: would you eat at a restaurant, pub, bar & grill where the wait staff, kitchen, bar did not wear a mask and hair net so their sneeze 🤧 and hair can get into your food and drinks? Q: would you go to a restaurant, bar, pub/grub, grill that has the wait staff and kitchen staff wearing a face mask, hair nets, where you know your chances of contracting Covid19 is almost zero? I know where I will go and it’s not the top question!


ajkeence99

St Charles county has a higher vax rate than the city and St Louis County, though.


princessPeachyK33n

Woof. Good luck in a place where masks have only been “suggested” for this entire time.


Brad_Wesley

Are people dying at a higher rate in St. Charles County compared to St. Louis city?


makinithappen69

No, and that makes them mad


Hellmark

As if dying is the only negative outcome


Brad_Wesley

Are people getting long covid in St. Charles at a higher rate than people in St. Louis city?


Hellmark

That's not tracked as well as deaths or infections, but given the number of infected, and the average rate that one has long COVID post infection, I'd argue yes. St Charles has 12,912 infected per capita, compared to 10,077 per capita in St Louis City. Given that on average 10% who had COVID ends up with negative symptoms 8 months later, it would make sense that St Charles has more long COVID cases.


mas2053

Do t ever leave St Charles. We don’t want or need your kind anywhere.


J2ee420

lollllll and what kind is that