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BJC employees must be vaccinated by Sept. 15

BJC employees must be vaccinated by Sept. 15

k0azv

When I worked at BJC in IT you had to get a plethora of shots just to be hired. Yeah, you could claim exemption for Flu shots but heck, if you are working in a hospital, get the damn shot.


kpossible0889

St. Mary’s requires extra vaccines just to be a *volunteer*. I’m sure it’s similar at other hospitals as well.


occy3000

Currently work in the BJC IT universe and know 2 Desktop guys that are not getting it. They were good workers but have really bought into all the BS from the anti-Covid crowd.


k0azv

I was part of the CSC (Help desk) before they shifted our work to Tech Mahindra.


occy3000

I manage projects so I’ve called for your help many times in the past.


Vindicator9000

Small world, I started in Desktop, and ended up in Workstation Standards / SCCM before they canned the whole department. I wrote tons of automation scripts and worked with the CSC on Landesk / SCCM stuff occasionally. Every year, I got the flu shot and whatever else they wanted. My 15 year medal showed up in the mail on my last day. I'm infinitely grateful to get out of that hive of toxic abuse.


k0azv

Started as a contractor in '16 and was the last person hired as FTE for the CSC in '17. Still think the world of my boss and the supervisors (one of which just recently started working at BJC again a week ago) I had. When that stuff started going down in '18 we were not sure what was going to happen. They lost a lot of fantastic people.


occy3000

We’ve probably crossed paths here. I’ve been here 14 years now and knew a lot of folks in those worlds. I miss all the talent we’ve lost when we transitioned to Tech M.


A_A_A_A_AAA

I got a job for this position but didn't take it Small world


OneGuyCory

Well, I'm looking for an IT job if they leave lmao


reddog323

> IT universe > They were good workers but have really bought into all the BS from the anti-Covid crowd. There seem to be a lot of IT people who are falling prey to that. Just from what I’ve noticed.


Own_Comment

May have to do with the career fields common for people who are 'black and white' thinkers.


chi-reply

They spend all day online and they're usually not the smartest of technology workers...


Mikazukinoyaiba

They also tend to make a lot of money unfortunately, so they end up being Conservative more likely than not.


mammon_machine_sdk

Depends of what part of "IT" you're referring to. There are plenty of smooth brained helpdesk jockeys that aren't paid that well but are eager to tell everyone they work in IT. Then you have developers that span from well-paid engineers to bottom of the barrel WordPress resellers, both of which simplify introductions by simply saying they work in IT. There's plenty of other adjacent jobs that fall into the category, all across the salary spectrum.


rakaur

This. I’m a software engineer and a systems analyst. Not quite the same as help desk.


NoodlesrTuff1256

Sounds like people in the field are all across the intelligence spectrum as well. Some are probably competent and capable so far as taking parts out and replacing them, wiring, and repair-type stuff goes, but that doesn't necessarily translate into being a PhD level genius and innovator in the Computer Science field (or other fields of knowledge). Idiot savants.


k5josh

What's unfortunate about making a lot of money?


Mikazukinoyaiba

It's unfortunate when not the smartest people make a lot of money


NoodlesrTuff1256

True. Or the just plain reactionary (bordering-on-Fascist) people who are also often as dumb as a bag of rocks who've made a shit-ton of money in their particular field of endeavor. They then contribute quite generously to assorted wingnut causes (stuff like the Texas Abortion Law, election recounts in AZ) and political candidates (Hawley, Greitens, McCloskey, etc.) or set up extreme right-wing media outlets like Fox News, OAN and a few local FM talk stations in this area.


A_A_A_A_AAA

Anecdotally this has not been my case. It's been autistic nerds, liberal usually


RepostResearch

The IT space is overwhelmingly liberal/left leaning. To the point where I'm not confident I've ever had a right leaning co-worker in my 10+ years in the field.


Mikazukinoyaiba

So if this is the case How come the IT industry has such a huge problem w/ sexism and racism?


RepostResearch

It does? Never heard that one before.


Mikazukinoyaiba

Maybe it is because I'm lumping all Tech together and not specifying IT, but this is a real known thing: [https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/27/tech-industry-sexism-racism-silicon-valley-study](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/27/tech-industry-sexism-racism-silicon-valley-study) [https://insights.dice.com/2021/03/26/racial-gender-discrimination-remain-a-huge-issue-in-tech/](https://insights.dice.com/2021/03/26/racial-gender-discrimination-remain-a-huge-issue-in-tech/) https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/10/10/women-are-more-concerned-than-men-about-gender-discrimination-in-tech-industry/


RepostResearch

Yeah. First I've heard of it. The tech sector is still overwhelmingly liberal/left leaning though.


andrei_androfski

Jefe, what is a plethora?


k0azv

A lot.


andrei_androfski

Well, you told me I have a plethora. And I just would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has *no idea* what it means to have a plethora.


princessPeachyK33n

🤠🤠🤠


imakeholesinu

Job fair scheduled for the 16th. /s


JudgeHoltman

If I were their CEO, I'd go for that big dick energy. Post the Job Fair flyer right next to the "Get your Shots" flyer.


creativeburrito

Honestly. Hospitals are where sick people go to get help when things are going badly. I would think chances of catching covid, and all sorts of other things are higher at a hospital.


BigBrownDog12

Time to see how many quitters are true to their word


kpossible0889

Especially since it’s a voluntary termination, making them ineligible for unemployment.


NoodlesrTuff1256

I think a lot of the anti-vaxxers who talk big about never, never, ***NEVER EVER!*** taking the shots will back down when that hard cold fact about unemployment eligibility along with an appraisal of what's currently in their bank accounts vs. their current & future liabilities might cause many to throw in the towel and get vaccinated. These mandates will separate the big talkers from the true hardcore fanatics. Edit: changed repetitive wording


kpossible0889

The final test of sanity.


Mikazukinoyaiba

I know they announced this a while back, but it is amusing to see an article with this headline on the day of.


caesarsaladslut

I work in an office in a hospital that won’t even make unvaccinated employees wear masks. We don’t even HAVE a COVID policy. Our patients have tried to come in WITH COVID and no one would’ve stopped them if they haven’t said it on the phone before coming in office. I love being immunocompromised during a pandemic where people won’t even wear a piece of fabric on their face to protect my life because it’s uncomfortable!


BrokenHarp

Most legitimate doctors/surgeons are vaccinated. I think that says something about the requirements for being a RN...


saritaRN

I work there. Even before the mandate 86% of us were vaccinated. I have not encountered a single nurse at BJC who is anti-vaccine. In fact the young nurses working Covid staged a huge kerfuffle because when the vaccine first rolled out it was given based on age, not exposure risk & the young nurses working Covid were pissed they were not given a priority of the vaccine over older office workers.


occy3000

We went from 94\~95% vaccination rate to 99.4% as of today. That jump was from the voluntary terminations after the deadline passed this week. So about 4% were not planning on getting it who couldn't get exempt.


QuietlyLosingMyMind

Ah yes, because they're hemorrhaging nurses due to vaccine requirements, not due to travel pay.


decwakeboarder

Such a crazy cycle. Nurse shortage -> bring in travel nurses at $10k/wk -> resident nurses quit realizing they can 5x their pay as a travel nurse -> worse nurse shortage.


Pryffandis

It just shows how badly nurses have been getting paid compared to their value.


forwormsbravepercy

Absolutely insane that any of them aren’t yet but this is a good thing.


RageAgainstTheSurge

And now a message to all the hold-outs who still won't get vaccinated from [Park Manager Benson Dunwoody](https://i.imgflip.com/5n4hcx.jpg).


infomissile

Last year's heroes, this year's unemployment line.


countdrracula

BJC is at 96% vaccinated (or excused) WU at 99%


infomissile

I wonder what they allow as an excuse


countdrracula

Pregnant/ breast feeding/ certain illnesses/ and religion (not sue how strict they are on that)


Liz600

Also a known allergy to one of the vaccine components, or a severe allergic or hyper immune reaction to the first dose.


countdrracula

Yes! That's the important one!


BetterThanAFoon

That would be an interesting one seeing how a lot of it is fats, sugars, and salts.


JudgeHoltman

It's getting real tough to use Religion since there's no major political faction to start throwing fists for you anymore. For a little bit Catholics were crying about Stem Cells, but The Pope has pretty come out crying bullshit on that excuse pretty loudly.


throw_away_bae_bae

I work for wash u and unfortunately the religious exemption rules are pretty lax. A girl in my department got a religious exemption by basically saying she thinks Jesus will heal her. (And she's not religious in the slightest, she only claimed it to get out of the shot 😬)


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JudgeHoltman

Yup. And even then he hand waved that bullshit away too.


Oehlian

He specifically said all of the COVID vaccines are moral. No Catholic can claim religious exemption.


BetterThanAFoon

No HR department wants to deal with potential discrimination lawsuits so they won't peel the onion back on religious exemptions. Ours provided tough talk on sincerely held religious beliefs but wont do any more than that.


JudgeHoltman

Definitely a way to find out exactly how valuable you are to the company. If you're good at your job and are quiet about your religious exemptions, I'm sure HR would let you have your little rebellion. But if you're already flaky and someone wants you gone, maybe it's time we see if you've got the balls to sue for your rights. Then we get to finally find out whose rights come first: Consumers, Employees, or Corporations.


BetterThanAFoon

Nah it isn't even that hard. At will employment, very little legal protection for your employment except under certain circumstances. Companies dont have to concoct reasons for firing someone. They can just do it. HR departments protect their companies from legal headaches like this. They will do what they can to look like they are doing their due diligence and avoid outright exposing themselves like denying a religious accommodation request. Pessimist in me will tell you to not expect companies to truly push back on religious exemption/accommodation requests.


infomissile

Is previous covid infection a medical exemption?


countdrracula

No


NoodlesrTuff1256

What about cancer patients undergoing chemo? I understand that certain forms can do a number on a person's immune system so would a vaccine be delayed until the treatment cycle is complete?


countdrracula

Great question. I don't work in oncology so not sure how they handle it or what they recommend. From a cardiology standpoint, we ask our patients to NOT get the vaccine within 6 months of getting a transplant (it's very ineffective during the first 6 months). After that we ask them to get it even though theyre still on immunupressants. There's a difference between induction chemo (when we first blast the cancer) and maintenance chemo (keeping the cancer at bay) so they could handle each situation differently


infomissile

It might become one if the university professors lawsuit sets a precedent - something about unnecessary medical procedures.


TurdFurgoson

Good thing this isn't unnecessary then.


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TurdFurgoson

Jesus Christ. The vaccine is still effective, even if you've already recovered from covid. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_w


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showsterblob

This is not what *studies seem to* show. If you have a [reputable source](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm), share it. Otherwise, stop.


Jendosh

But having both isn't better?


codextreme07

No patient or parent wants to worry about catching covid from a medical provider. I have a young kid, and god forbid I had to take them to the hospital I don’t want to worry about them potentially getting sick from an unvaccinated medical provider. Their duty is to their patients and they need to be vaccinated to deliver the best care. No one gave a shit when we mandated polio, tb or flu shots for doctors and nurses.


CrazyDistribution264

I agree especially in their field. Had two family members catch covid in the hospital who were there for unrelated reasons. One survived the other passed from it.


NoodlesrTuff1256

And Covid isn't the only infection a person can contract in a hospital setting. If you can lessen the chance of that happening through the vaccine then do it! At least you're in a better position if you're exposed to one of the bacterial nasties out there.


N0V0w3ls

If you save someone's life by performing a tracheostomy with a pen in the street, you're a hero. If you keep doing it when you're in the hospital with sterile medical tools at your disposal, yes, you'd be unemployed.


allankcrain

They can easily keep their jobs by simply getting vaccinated.


t-poke

Hopefully anyone who gets fired for not getting vaxxed isn’t eligible for unemployment


iMillJoe

"Hopefully anyone who gets fired for not getting vaxxed isn’t eligible for unemployment" God you fucking leftist have you priorities fucked.


GrapeYourMouth

Generally leftists would not support that line of thinking. Conservatives on the other hand get rock fuckin hard at the thought of someone not qualifying for unemployment.


iMillJoe

> Conservatives on the other hand get rock fuckin hard at the thought of someone not qualifying for unemployment. Expect your missing the part the conservatives don't wan't to take ALL unemployment benefits away. Just UN-EARNED ones. I'd say the people working thru the pandemic earned it. Meanwhile, there were/are plenty of people milking the extra bennies and staying home, perhaps those people should perhaps not get paid. The saying is "If a man won't work he shouldn't eat". t-poke is arguing "People who work but won't bend the knee, shouldn't just get fired, they should loose any safety net" ​ It's the 'woke' welcoming fascism with open arms.


GrapeYourMouth

> Expect your missing the part the conservatives don't wan't to take ALL unemployment benefits away. Just ~~UN-EARNED ones~~ everyone else's but their own FTFY


TurdFurgoson

I think you're wasting your time. Just read this fucking thread to get a sense of this clown. https://www.reddit.com/r/StLouis/comments/plj5qy/parson_other_republican_officials_against_bidens/hcc1y2z/ Edit: Interesting...these posts were removed shortly after I made this comment. Backup link! https://www.removeddit.com/r/StLouis/comments/plj5qy/parson_other_republican_officials_against_bidens/hcc1y2z/


Alex470

What is it with you lefties and digging through post history anyway? Too much time on your hands? A deep desire to feel a sense of moral superiority? I’ve just noticed that over the past few years here. Really weird. I guess I’m just not sure why anyone cares enough to waste their time trying to win an Internet disagreement. You’re always such snarky little fuckers, too. Reminds me of my little nephew.


TurdFurgoson

>Too much time on your hands? Says the person that posted this at 2 in the fucking morning. Also, I didn't dig through their post history. I just remember this post from a few days ago.


Alex470

Yeah, you got me there. Shouldn’t have been backtesting my algorithms for work at 2AM. Probably not the best for my health. Anyway, back to work!


Mikazukinoyaiba

>What is it with you lefties and digging through post history anyway? I've seen Righties do it all the time. Also r/conservative is notorious for banning people for simply disagreeing with the narrative and wrong-think. Point out the history of sexual assaults or sexual crimes committed by Republican politicians in order to be objective? Get banned. Say anything remotely negative about Trump? Get banned.


HeegeMcGee

You remind me of a hateful boomer.


Alex470

I’ll take that over a six year old.


RowdyWrongdoer

You wouldnt be earning your unemployment. You would be leaving a job based on your moral conviction. Right to work and At will employment. Your freedoms allow you to find another job.


iMillJoe

> The definition of fascism is The marriage of corporation and state Benito Mussolini


Mikazukinoyaiba

>Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.


RowdyWrongdoer

The corporations are not state owned so you are misunderstand the quote you are using.


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RowdyWrongdoer

This shows how very little you understand of the word, the world, and myself. Take care you strange little person.


MoltenCalf

> The definition of fascism is The marriage of corporation and state > > Wow you literally just outed yourself as getting your politics from facebook https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fascism-corporations-corporatism-dictionary/ lmfao it doesn't get any better than this


iMillJoe

> one thing, the definition of fascism commonly attributed to Mussolini is “the merging of the state and corporate power,” not “the corporation,” Oh, gosh, that guy who didn’t speak English got translated differently by different people. You right, logically makes it’s a literal Facebook repost. Read the shit you post or get some reading comprehension skills, and stop promoting fascism.


MoltenCalf

Since you clearly didn't read what I linked; > Oh, gosh, that guy who didn’t speak English I assume you mean Mussolini, who according to the article may not have even said the original, misinterpreted quote. > got translated differently by different people This isn't an issue of translation. "Corporation" as we understand it in the modern west, and "corporate powers / corporatism" as understood in Mussolini's fascism are two completely different ideas. In fact they are near polar opposites. Corporations in the US are private companies and in the context of vaccines, there are multiple corporations that compete with each other, independent of the government or any central power. Corporate powers / corporatism in Mussolini's context are government lead, united industries where competition is strictly prohibited. This is NOT a matter of translation, those are two completely different and opposing concepts. > Read the shit you post or get some reading comprehension skills I'm not the one reposting a facebook memes as an irrelevant response in an attempt to seem educated on the topic. That's you, in case I'm not being clear. > stop promoting fascism You are literally the only one bringing up fascism


BradBBQPit

Not bending a knee is far from honorable when it involves being a selfish asshole with no regard for other’s and their own safety, and completely denying science knowledge of the medical community at large.


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TurdFurgoson

> but I'd wager thats mostly because delta is less deadly. Citation, fucking please. >Most real doctors, who aren't being paid by the media to scare you, seem to think forcing it on people is a really bad idea. Who are these doctors? Got any sources?


Mikazukinoyaiba

Don't you see, they are the *real doctors* because they agree with that person's opinion! Nevermind that these are probably fringe doctors or people who are in an unrelated field.


BradBBQPit

Please show me the science that says the vaccine is bad or not working, and those “real” doctors that think it’s a bad idea. The FLCCC quacks don’t count. A for Israel, boosters shots are what’s needed. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/09/15/covid-boosters-pfizer-says-israel-data-shows-third-shot-restores-efficacy-to-95percent.html


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imakeholesinu

The dude is either fake/doesn't exist or is a really bad primary care/family physician and has little to no infectious disease training. I think you've been hoodwinked. The twitter profile is a dead giveaway to misinformation.


Nattylight_Murica

A loose safety net might be just as bad as losing it.


allankcrain

Refusing to get vaccinated while working in the healthcare industry is basically the gold standard for "fired with cause". 1. They could easily avoid being fired 2. The thing they're doing that's getting them fired directly indicates that they are not qualified for their job 3. They are being a danger to the lives of their coworkers and patients You can't collect unemployment benefits when you're fired for reasons like that.


iMillJoe

Found another fascist.


allankcrain

I feel like that insult would have a lot more bite if there were any evidence that you understood what fascism is.


Teeklin

Yeah dawg it's fascist to fire people unqualified for the job they choose to do. Conservatives are so fucking stupid.


Alex470

> Conservatives are so fucking stupid. Liberals are so fucking smart. Actual liberals though. Not you.


NoodlesrTuff1256

*Fascist* is normally a term associated with extreme right-wing beliefs such as the kind that I suspect you support.


sight_ful

Only if they choose to put people at risk.