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LCPL Schmitz processional route will close 70, 270,& 255 to Jefferson Barracks after 1PM, procession begins approximately 2PM

LCPL Schmitz processional route will close 70, 270,& 255 to Jefferson Barracks after 1PM, procession begins approximately 2PM

TwoHeadedPanthr

These don't bother me, what bothers me is that we haven't done this shit for everyone else who died over there in the last 20 years. Treating his body like a political prop is fucking gross. They literally only care when it's politically convenient to do so.


BUFFWarthog

Virtue signaling. Everyone gives a fuck when they want to project how much of a hardcore, raging patriot they are.


NicHyme

It’s because recognizing these deaths has a strong “anti-biden” context. At least to the people that care this much


TwoHeadedPanthr

I know why, that's why it's fucking gross.


johnahoe

I wouldn’t mind if this wasn’t obvious political optics grabbing bullshit. This definitely has not been the norm for the last 20 years.


open_perspective

You’re absolutely right. It’s grandstanding and using this kid as a prop


EZ-PEAS

Imagine what would have happened if we shut down major highways every time one of the 15,000 US servicemembers or contractors died in Iraq/Afghanistan. It sounds like a great thing to bring the cost of war home to the US. We should probably include the coalition troops that died, and the uniformed national police/military of Afghanistan and Iraq. That would bring the total number of major highway closures to over 150,000 in a 20 year period, or an average of a little over 20 per day over that time span.


Phisy7empest

Indeed it is. 147 others died from around here, none of them had multiple highway shutting down events. All political theater because there's a Democrat in office and we're in a red state.


NoodlesrTuff1256

I think that his father has been interviewed on some of the local rightwing talk stations and that may have kickstarted the movement to turn this kid's death into this huge media event (and a swipe at Biden's handling of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan). The only comparable processions and crowds I can recall were the ones for former US embassy (Iran) hostage Rocky Sickmann's homecoming in the early 80s and the funeral procession for murdered St. Louis County Police Officer Blake Snyder in 2016. And even those two events didn't compare to this. I think that there are a lot of genuine non-political mourners with no agenda other than to honor the memory of a young man gone too soon. But I think that there were others cynically exploiting his death and the grief of his family.


ElbowShouldersen

The Highway Patrol is shutting down our freeways for a political cause... How is that any different than the protestors who try and do the same thing?


ptabs226

He's, hopefully, the last American to die in Afghanistan. The circumstances are a little different.


johnahoe

Are they though? I was buddies with one of the guys (Matt Clark) with a sign out there on 270, and I’m pretty sure he or those who fell in similar circumstances didn’t get a similar procession (I was still deployed for the funeral). While hopefully this is the last American to die in Afghanistan (doubtful) this isn’t a procession to honor all of the fallen, it’s a procession to honor one. It seems profoundly political in nature.


pdromeinthedome

How many of Afghan veteran funerals/processions have sitting Missouri governors attended? I don’t know, frankly.


fiberisessential

Yeah. It’s not like this guy died while resisting arrest or nothing. Let’s save the funeral processions for the real heroes.


Phisy7empest

What about the rest that died? Where were their funerals?


NoodlesrTuff1256

While the loss of the 13 American soldiers was tragic, hardly anyone seems to care or notice that 170 Afghan civilians also died in that airport bombing. They're treated as an afterthought, if they're even thought of at all given the way the media has focused all the attention on the dead Americans.


johnahoe

What does that have to do with my comments in this thread?


aeywaka

Well, not time like the present to start?


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Phisy7empest

Nope. One is a naked political stunt, the other is ignoring science because "freedom".


letsgocards

When I die just throw me in the trash.


JZMoose

Burn me up first, then throw me in the trash. I don't want to keep taking up space


ndurfee

Look up water cremation. It’s even better


Reaper621

I could be a tree, if my family wants. That'd be cool.


Educational_Skill736

This is the least annoying comment on this thread so far


Dude_man79

Any IASIP Frank quote is never annoying and always upvoteable.


Obi_Wan_Benobi

Feed me to the feral cats.


Aceofspade159

You either die a hero and have your likeness used for blatant propaganda, or you live and become yet another vet forgotten about by the government.


ajkeence99

Are you a vet?


sarpnasty

ITT: people who can’t identify military rank explain why this is normal and not a fucking overstep of the damn military. Y’all are weird as hell. This is weird as hell. The funeral should be private. Notice that enlisted military people are still treated and paid like shit when they are alive. But now that he’s dead, we are going to act like his life mattered to the government.


legacymedia92

I don't believe we do enough to honor our troops when there are vets who have to panhandle. No seriously, there's several within a few miles of JB, some who frequent the intersection that this funeral will pass.


bananabunnythesecond

Work on said intersection and can confirm.


sarpnasty

All those vets are going to think when they see this shit is “damn I guess I should just died over there”


dong_tea

Because what they really need and want is an extravagant funeral, not help while they're alive. That would be too much honoring.


NoodlesrTuff1256

Rather than to stand on overpasses and along the sides of interstate highways and major roads with flag-waving demonstrations, these mourners could do more to honor Jared Schmitz's memory and to help other vets by donating their time, energy and money to organizations that help the vets. Otherwise all these over-the-top patriotic displays are just so much hot air.


Jaguar_S

>ITT: people who can’t identify military rank explain why this is normal and not a fucking overstep of the damn military. The military isn't overstepping anything because the military aren't the ones putting this political stunt together. The article doesn't specifically mention who did put it together but I'm going to go with the Governor and/or MO Republicans. 'Cause troop deaths matter a lot right now... you know, b/c Biden and all.


sarpnasty

The military had a lot more pull than you think. Governors are figureheads. They pretty much all listen to what the highest ranking military officers want to happen with regards to military things. If the military didn’t want this, a general or an admiral would have spoken up by now.


Jaguar_S

Yeah, I'm gonna need a source for that b/c you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Also, the Governor a figurehead...? Most state governors are the acting commanders in chief of their respective states' National Guard. I'd say that makes them a bit more than figureheads.


sarpnasty

The source is American history.


Jaguar_S

Which part, specifically?


sarpnasty

I’m not her to debate the truth with a moron on Reddit. You can either believe reality or you can be wrong. Figure it out for yourself. You aren’t qualified to say I’m right or wrong. I have more life experience with end around high ranking military officers than you do and I have no desire to change your opinion about anything.


Jaguar_S

The name calling isn't necessary. I sincerely doubt anything you've stated on this thread and I'm just asking you to back it up. Your life experience isn't a substantiation of your claims. Maybe you have spent time around high ranking military officers, but i doubt in any meaningful capacity since you still lack a basic understanding of military affairs following a casualty.


NoodlesrTuff1256

Local right wing media types pushed this pretty hard also.


ajkeence99

Active duty enlisted aren't paid nearly as poorly as people make it out to be. Sure, the first couple of ranks are lean but everyone ignores the rest of the financial package.


sarpnasty

Active duty enlisted make what essentially should be the federal minimum wage. Yeah of course you make more money at a place after you get a bunch of promotions. But not all of those promotions are guaranteed and the way you unlock most of the extra pay you’re talking about is to get married and have kids. If you have to get married and have kids to get paid decently, it’s not a good wage system. Also, why do I know so many active duty enlisted people who has to have two jobs to support their family? My dad was one of those people btw so again, lets not pretend they are making bank. Barely enough to get by isn’t something to be proud of.


ajkeence99

I was active duty. People make it out to be WAY worse than it actually is. No, you aren't getting rich. As long as someone isn't upholding the stereotype of buying a shitty v6 Mustang on 26% interest, you can get by just fine. Also, the first few promotions are literally guaranteed with time in service. You don't have to do anything other than not get into trouble. Even E4/E5 are pretty much a given as long as you are marginally dependable. People like to ignore the housing, food, and healthcare portion of being in the military which accounts for the vast majority of most people's monthly expenditures.


benji_014

I Live near JB. Sometimes one of my routes home is completely closed off. It’s just a hazard of living next to a graveyard. Hopefully they’re done before I do go home, but I’ll be sure to take 55, and not 270. Thanks OP for the heads up.


radiotyler

You are welcome. My intention with this post was to inform anyone unaware and encourage others to disseminate this information as well.


NoodlesrTuff1256

I used to live down there and got accustomed to such funeral processions on their way to Jefferson Barracks and some other non-military cemeteries down that way, but I don't recall anything this over the top. Can you think of another one that was this big, to the point where it almost seemed to rival the turnout for Princess Diana's funeral in 1997?


dabigmlc

I passed the entrance to Jefferson Barracks from Telegraph at 12:15, the same entrance this procession will use. The corner is already full of the white trash brigade using this soldier's death to push their conservative, Trump-ian agenda. Several flags flying with Trump's name, several more are the blue stripe. Many signs shoved into the ground, most being "We Support Our Police." I saw no American flags. To be clear, I'm sure they are there, but they are clearly not the focus of the statement being made. This is not about a soldier's sacrifice, this is not about honoring the deceased. This display has only one purpose -- promote right wing politics. And it's the last display the procession will see before entering the park and cemetery. Fuck these people.


TheFox776

I saw the same thing when I was headed home. They also had tents set up to sell shirts and hats because making it political isn't bad enough, they also had to try and make a quick buck.


NoodlesrTuff1256

If they donated those quick bucks to genuine charities supporting veterans instead of stuffing them into their own pockets, I have no issue with them. But if they are sitting at home right now and contemplating all the 'cool' stuff they plan to buy with that money, then f\*ck them!


aeywaka

Hmm probably inappropriate to be waving around trump's name, I can understand the police support one though. I just made it through from Maryland heights to st. charles and saw nothing but American flags.


dabigmlc

Nothing "probable" about how inappropriate it is to fly the flag of a man who derided Gold Star families and mocked those who were killed in action or became prisoners of war. I'm also unclear on how support for police translates into an observance for a deceased soldier. That does not seem to be appropriate to the situation either.


aeywaka

are you a vet? we'll leave that up to them to decide. They don't need us to protect their feelings


dabigmlc

Nice deflection.


Fantastic_Ad_6124

Yeah I only saw American flags.


dabigmlc

At the corner of Telegraph and Sheridan / Sappington Barracks? Because that was definitely not true when I went past.


thefoolofemmaus

Shutting down a major route for an hour is really beyond the pale.


TurdFurgoson

I think it's longer than an hour. They close the highways at 1, with the procession beginning at 2. Who knows how long that takes and when they'll reopen. Call me an asshole, but didn't they already shut down 70 for him last week?


t-poke

So what the fuck are they doing between 1 and 2? Rush hour this evening is going to be an absolute shitshow


nuclearpoweredpants

Boohoo. Your chicken nuggies will be cold.


TheRealWookyMonster

Are you even old enough to buy your own chicken nuggets? You talk like an edgy 12 year old who just joined JROTC...


nuclearpoweredpants

The great thing about capitalism is that there is no age requirement to buy chicken nuggies. You just show up with money and buy them regardless.


Imhighdrunkorpooping

Don't you mean your allowance Mr virginity rocks?


TheRealWookyMonster

You mean your parents' money


NoodlesrTuff1256

And this was the second such procession in less than a week related to this event. The first one was the big motorcycle parade from Lambert into St. Charles Country to take his body to the funeral home.


radiotyler

I am sure you appreciate someone taking the time to post this and inform you so you will not be inconvenienced.


thefoolofemmaus

It isn't my inconvenience I am worried about, I had not plans to be on that route today. However, shipping, travelers, and a host of other, less well informed people may now have their day disrupted. Inconvenient or not, it is completely inappropriate to shut down a highway for a funeral procession.


t-poke

> However, shipping, travelers, and a host of other, less well informed people may now have their day disrupted. And it's not even that. What about emergency vehicles? 270 takes you right past several major hospitals in the area? Yes, I'm sure emergency vehicles will be able to get through the road block, but if it takes even just a minute to clear the block and let emergency vehicles through, that minute could be the difference between life and death if someone's having a heart attack or a building's on fire.


aeywaka

The same sentiment was held when rioters blocked the highways last year


t-poke

Fuck *anybody* blocking highways.


aeywaka

What is it you all like to say? "it's just a mild inconvenience"


t-poke

Who is "you all"? You are lumping me into a group of people. You have made the incorrect assumption that, because I don't support shutting down the highway for this, that I must support shutting them down for BLM protestors. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Fuck *anybody* blocking highways. I can support BLM's message without supporting that.


NoodlesrTuff1256

I think that activists behind any cause should rethink the tactic of shutting down highways as a form of protest. It might only alienate the very people you are trying to convert to your cause.


inStLagain

I could think of several other things related to his passing that are beyond the pale, some traffic not being one of them.


nuclearpoweredpants

You can spare an hour for some simple dignity.


TurdFurgoson

There's no dignity in this. I had to drive down to St. Charles for something just now and people were lining up around Veterans Memorial Pkwy and on the overpasses along 70 with their camping chairs and coolers (and a few Trump flags) like they're waiting for the 4th of July parade to come through.


t-poke

> a few Trump flags Politicizing dead soldiers. These people make me sick. And fantastic user name. RIP Norm :(


nuclearpoweredpants

There's no dignity in honoring the dead? That's just objectively wrong.


TurdFurgoson

You really think parading his body around while strangers drink, take pictures, and wave flags of politicians is dignified?


nuclearpoweredpants

The body is being transported to a military cemetery to be buried with honors. They're not propping his corpse up at a 7-11 while people take selfies with it.


sarpnasty

This is for one person. Are you a teenager? We have never shut down interstates for a single soldier’s funeral procession for over an hour. This isn’t simple. This is military propaganda. As someone who’s been associated with the military my entire life, this isn’t normal. And if my dad would have died when we first went to Afghanistan, they wouldn’t have shut down a single interstate in 2002.


shadowofpurple

they have to make way for all the people that want to virtue signal how patriotic they are. if he'd been killed in combat 3 months ago, the same people wouldn't have given a shit


nuclearpoweredpants

He could've simply not been killed had the original withdrawal gone as planned. Unfortunately, the current democrat president of the United States decided a more bloody route and in doing so consigned 13 men and women of our armed forces to death.


TheRealWookyMonster

Imagine thinking that ending the war months sooner would have had a better outcome... How dense do you have to be to even think of this?


nuclearpoweredpants

Under superior leadership, the withdrawal either would've gone off without a hitch or (the more likely scenario) the withdrawal would've been nixed due to the taliban's inability to honor their word. Unfortunately, we instead got the leadership of the most popular president in United States history which has proved to be both comical and fatal in nearly all aspects.


TheRealWookyMonster

Hahahahahahahaha hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This clown thinks Trump wouldn't have fucked this up even worse.... Go do your homework then maybe mom will buy you some chicken nuggets


nuclearpoweredpants

I think a Twitter AI could've done a better job than Biden, much less Trump.


TheRealWookyMonster

I think you're a clueless kid whos seen too many of their conservative parents' Facebook meme posts


Imhighdrunkorpooping

You always fail to mention that Trump signed the withdrawal treaty. You can't control the reaction of millions of desperate Afghan people. They were always going to do that regardless. Also, they had months to get out and had many warnings that the US was going to leave. Also boo you suck.


shadowofpurple

oh get fucked. Spouting your right wing bullshit. They were attacked in a bombing you stupid fuck. A suicide bomber detonated explosives at a Kabul airport gate You want to blame someone, blame the bomber. Just FUCK YOU PEOPLE


sarpnasty

Fuck the Bomber but also fuck Trump for making the original stupid withdrawal plan and fuck biden for sticking to it. All of these people are to blame.


t-poke

So we should just stay in Afghanistan indefinitely? If 20 years and trillions of dollars couldn't prepare the Afghan army to fight for themselves and fight the Taliban, then nothing else will.


sarpnasty

No. We can coordinate leaving with all of our allies instead of abandoning them in the night like we did. The plan was shitty and it was executed even worse than it was planned. That is the fault of the commander-in-chief.


nuclearpoweredpants

A bombing that didn't have to happen. A bombing that could've been completely avoided. But, no. Biden wanted accolades and attention from the media and his handlers for personally ending the war in Afghanistan. It didn't have to be a confusing, messy, and bloody event, but he did it anyway. If you wish to wash his hands of these deaths and giving aid to the taliban so that they can exterminate more apostates (among other enemies), then that can be on your conscience.


shadowofpurple

A bomber that is ok with killing himself to kill others is damned near impossible to stop. Giving aid to the Taliban? You mean like that piece of shit Trump who let 5000 of them out of jail? Like that? I'm sure you want to hold him accountable, right? Right? Again... FUCK YOUUUUUU


NoodlesrTuff1256

Military propaganda? Perhaps. Right-wing MAGA propaganda? Absolutely.


thefoolofemmaus

Simple dignity? Are we shutting down highways for all funerals now? I certainly can spare the hour, but then I live a life of great privilege and pretty much set my own schedule. I doubt those who are traveling 270 at 1pm on a Thursday can spare the time.


inStLagain

For all funerals? No. We’re not. For this particular funeral, yes.


thefoolofemmaus

This funeral is somehow more deserving of dignity then? What public good is served by shutting down the highway for this particular funeral?


man4theoccasins

Exactly! There's ways to honor somebody without affecting others.


nuclearpoweredpants

Maybe an autonomous zone could be set up in his honor...


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morgoth068

Not wanting a major highway shutdown means he doesn't care much for service members? Good grief. Get off your high horse. There are so many ways they could have honored him that wouldn't have caused so many problems. It's perfectly reasonable to be supportive and think the way they are going about this is silly.


MaxwellFinium

If the highway can be shut down for a protest, you can tolerate an hours worth of delay for a fallen soldier.


morgoth068

Oof what a comparison. Should I start criticizing it the same way people did of the protestors shutting down highways?


thefoolofemmaus

This. Both are bad. Two wrongs does not make a right.


sarpnasty

You’re not even in the military. You realize how cringe you are being this much of a bootlicker?


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sarpnasty

Shutting down the interstate isn’t “respect”. are you even out of high school? Edit: omg you’re just a bonafied bootlicker. You’re not even a cop and you’re obsessed with cop Cars lmao. You need to stop playing video games and do something real with your life. You’re a bootlicker because you haven’t accomplished anything for yourself. Lol “court security”.


MouzeRat

I don't know what the person you were debating with was saying but I'm on your side and support what you're saying completely! Also yay for both of us living in Belleville, even if it is one of the most horrendously racially segregated towns in the metro area! I still want to express solidarity with what you're saying!


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Dodolittletomuch

The amount of fire trucks that are sitting on overpasses makes me hope there isn't any major fire emergency.


seriouslyneedaname

I hope it brings some comfort to LCPL Schmitz's family. There's no getting over a loss like this, but to have the community show appreciation for his service is at least something.


NoodlesrTuff1256

But I'm sure that they'd trade all the flag-waving pageantry in a heartbeat to have their son and brother alive and well.


aeywaka

jfc...this thread


hughjanusphd

ITT: people complaining about shutting down highways for political reasons who also support protestors blocking highways for political reasons. Also ITT: people supporting shutting down highways for political reasons who also complain about protestors blocking highways for political reasons.


JethroLull

Also ITT: People that don't support shutting down the highway.


hawkgpg

Protestors shut the highway down for moral reasons. Dipshits pundits decided to make it political.


aeywaka

What moral reason do you have for shutting down a highway other than to pay for respect in a procession


hawkgpg

This is blatant political stunt. Highways don't get shut down for over an hour for any other funeral procession. Yet respect is still paid for all other funerals.


aeywaka

hmmm I dunno, almost seems like it should become a thing in terms of bringing the community together and what not. Perhaps not the whole highway but a couple lanes perhaps. Also just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's political. The last big procession that comes to mind was Chris Kyle, do you disagree with that one too?


hawkgpg

It's fine, shut the highway or whatever, but would love to see some consistency. What sets these soldiers sort? It's not the first time soldiers have died overseas.


aeywaka

It's not that the others weren't senseless or not important, it's that these 13 were EXTRA senseless and stupid deaths. This pisses people off, hence pulling out all the stops for today


t-poke

> Also just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's political. According to a few others in this thread, people were along the side of the highway waving Trump flags. If that's not political, I don't know what is. And sure, maybe the intent wasn't to be political, but anybody with two functioning brain cells could've told you the MAGA crowd would show up to circlejerk over "Sleepy Joe killed him! Trump 2024!" They don't let a good tragedy go to waste. > The last big procession that comes to mind was Chris Kyle, do you disagree with that one too? I don't know that there's anyone on this planet whose death justifies shutting down over 30 miles of highway across an entire metro region close to rush hour.


aeywaka

copypasta my response to someone else below: "It's not that the others weren't senseless or not important, it's that these 13 were EXTRA senseless and stupid deaths. This pisses people off, hence pulling out all the stops for today"


Imhighdrunkorpooping

Lol because you really care about bringing the community together. Your divisive as dogshit


aeywaka

why do you think I'm being divisive?


ABobby077

Pretty safe to say there are many alternate routes if not taking these highways at that time. Just keep in mind these times and plan accordingly.


Ih8cbc

Well, this was a nice subreddit for awhile. I’m an independent who always tries to see all sides of an issue. Even if I don’t always agree with the politics of this place, it never bothered me until now. Hate trump? no problem, we can still be friends. The guy has lots of flaws. Not a fan of the police? I don’t think they are evil, but will certainly concede there’s a couple idiots on the force that don’t deserve to wear a badge and need to be fired, no argument here. But Jesus Christ, people are upset about a military funeral procession for a local soldier who died overseas? We’re actually angry that… we can’t use a highway for an hour? Do you all get mad when a funeral procession goes through an intersection, and keeps going when the light turns red and causes you to wait for another cycle? I mean this is basically the same thing, only the line of cars is longer. This isn’t a parade… it’s… transporting the fallen to a military cemetery with honors… Wow… are we that divided that we can’t honor our fallen soldiers without turning it into a right and left issue?


jonbidet_ramsey

Any idea how long the closure could last?