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Fans who watched the movies when they first came out, did you guess the truth about Leia?

Fans who watched the movies when they first came out, did you guess the truth about Leia?

xvszero

No. In large part because it wasn't the truth until Lucas decided it was for Return of the Jedi. Before then she was just part of a typical love triangle. Hence kissing Luke in Empire Strikes Back. To be honest though the movies just kind of existed in my ether growing up. Somehow I already knew everything about them before really sitting down and watching them all start to finish. So no real surprises.


WaylanderL

Nope... there were literally no hints or foreshadowing for this. Plus, the time between Yoda saying there's another Skywalker and Obiwan telling Luke he meant his twin sister to Luke realizing it's Leia was about 5 minutes. Not much time to develop theories 😅


Arcoon_Effox

I think OP was referring to the exchange between Obi Wan and Yoda in ESB, as Luke is leaving Dagobah: Obi Wan: "That boy is our last hope." Yoda: "No. There is another."


WaylanderL

Right, but that's completely different. It just means there's another potential Jedi out there. Nothing about Luke's sister.


T-408

So you didn’t think that Leia having a telepathic link with Luke had anything to do with the Force?


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amadeusthunderfunk

Given that they weren't siblings yet, the intent could have been that she can hear Luke because she deeply/romantically loves him. There's some romantic tension in *Star Wars* ([to the point where you have promo material like this](https://youtu.be/beFJyXoMl3U)) and the love triangle stuff in *The Empire Strikes Back*, so it makes sense IMO.


T-408

I guess that’s true, but even as a kid I thought more of it… not only is Leia able to call out to Luke the same way, but in ANH Leia is also entirely resistant to the mind probe and not shaken up too much, while in TESB Han completely caves to his torture and is visibly uncomfortable (and heard screaming) while again Leia seems unscathed. I always thought that would have been the product of some sort of Force ability


WaylanderL

The mind probe thing is such BS. That's a streeeetch even with 40 years of expanded lore and fan theories. The fact stands that Lucas never even intended for Leia to be a Force sensitive until the 3rd movie. This is well documented to be true.


tractgildart

Leia doesn't call out to Luke in ESB...


T-408

No shit he calls to her first lmfao but the fact that she’s able to keep that connection and speak back to him tells us she can use the Force


tractgildart

She doesn't speak back to him, and it isn't clear she's keeping the connection. She says his name, realizing what she's hearing, and then talks to Lando and Chewie, "we have to go back, I know where Luke is".


T-408

If she weren’t Force-sensitive she wouldn’t have heard him to begin with, and my points about ANH and TESB torture scenes still stand, even Vader couldn’t explain how Leia resisted the mind probe


TLM86

It's Luke calling to Leia, not the other way around.


T-408

Again the Force isn’t a collect call bro lol nobody else I’m the Falcon would’ve gotten that message even if he did try to ring them. How many times does Luke connect with anyone who isn’t force sensitive? Zero! Obi-Wan, Leia and Vader got the Force phone call privileges in the OT, that’s all I’m saying


TLM86

That's not how the Force works.


T-408

Actually, your quote brings me back to my point! Finn saying “We’ll figure it out, we’ll use the Force!” Just for Han to come in and say exactly “That’s not how the Force works!”, is because even Han Solo knows that you either got it or you don’t, and you can’t just pull the Force out of your ass 😂 If Leia wasn’t Force-sensitive, she wouldn’t have heard Luke!


ThatGuyBob82

I know, I was just thinking that OP may have conflated the line in ESB with the one from ROTJ. Otherwise, it would very much be as you said, and nobody would really have any time to ponder it.


jabbadonut2

You didn't get it, that is all there is to it. Most of us knew that Yoda mean Leia.


DarthGoodguy

But it didn’t at the time. Lucas was planning to introduce Luke’s sister as a new character in Episode 8 according to ANH/ESB [producer Gary Kurtz](https://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/gary_kurtz_reveals_original_plans_for_episodes_19_80270.asp).


jabbadonut2

Believe whatever you want. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?


jabbadonut2

You forgot Yoda telling Obi-Wan in Empire Strikes Back that when Obi-Wan said Luke was "their last hope," Yoda responded with "no, there is another." That is when I realized he was referring to Leia, and that Leia was Luke's sister. THAT was the first hint/foreshadowing.


Jo3K3rr

>THAT was the first hint/foreshadowing. Retroactive foreshadowing.


WaylanderL

It's easy to lie about something 40 years after the fact. 🤣


jabbadonut2

What the hell are you talking about? Yoda said "there is another" to Obi-Wan in TESB. That is a fact. Have you even SEEN Empire Strikes Back? That was when we realized Leia was Luke's sister, BEFORE we even knew Vader was Luke's father. It was in ROTJ that Luke tells Leia that Vader is his/her father.


WaylanderL

No one realized Leia was Luke's sister at that point. Not even the writer of the series... No one believes you somehow knew Luke and Leia were siblings before George even knew. Lying about it makes you look pathetic.


crowjack

Lucas pulled the whole ‘luke and leia are twins’ thing out of his ass.


T-408

Sooooo Leia and Luke didn’t have a telepathic link in TESB?


Jo3K3rr

Luke calls out to her through the Force. At the time no crazy foreshadowing. Luke's sister was envisioned as being someone else he'd meet in the Sequel Trilogy.


throwaway_for_keeps

We saw Obi-Wan mentally convince a stormtrooper to ignore his duties. Why were we supposed to assume that people had to be related in order for one's mind to affect another's?


T-408

No, I’m saying that at the VERY least, people should have suspected that Leia was Force-sensitive, because it’s spelled out


TLM86

It literally isn't, though, because that wasn't the intent when ESB was made. You're just seeing a pattern after the fact.


T-408

I’m not saying that Leia and Luke were planned to be siblings but you really cannot deny that the seeds were sown for Leia to be Force-sensitive. The probe resistance, the ability to answer Force calls, Yoda’s comment about “another” hope


TLM86

But again, it's all after the fact. They weren't seeds to Lucas.


T-408

Bro the original draft of Star Wars literally featured siblings and a father… the idea was always at least partially there


TLM86

There are lots of original drafts. And yes, Luke was going to have a sister in ESB - Nellith. Not Leia.


crowjack

Nope


bluegrassgazer

Nope I had no idea. To this day I wonder why he did it.


Jo3K3rr

Basically George was tired. He just went through a divorce, had a falling out with his producer Gary Kurtz. So George just wanted to end it all. So he took some of his Sequel ideas, jammed it into ROTJ and called it an ending.


jabbadonut2

Speaking only for myself, I only figured it out when Yoda said to Obi-Wan's spirit regarding Luke being the last hope, that "there is another." That is when I realized it was Leia and she was Luke's sister. (That was in Ep. V before Luke found out Vader was his father). Unfortunately, because people just couldn't keep the secret, everyone pretty much knew Vader was Luke's father before Empire came out.


tomandshell

I remember the spoilers about Vader’s identity were all over the internet back in late ‘79 and early ‘80. Pretty much everyone knew because there were just so many ways for spoilers to be spread around back then.


Acid_Baron

What internet in 1979!!!


jabbadonut2

Some of you are just fucking stupid. I can't help you.