Holy cow everyone on this site hates us 😟
By - ralla24
never read the comments on bike posts
* Tipping culture.
Guaranteed shit show every time.
Radical, dangerous ideas like universal healthcare, affordable education, work-life balance, sustainable transport and taxing corporations. 😤
You mean left ideas, not radicals. Who are actually hipster fascist squatter thugs.
I believe you think burning cars and tires is activism for climate change and sustainable transport.
Running illegal bars without paying taxes is contribution to universal healthcare.
Living off unemployment benefits is work-life balance. Breaking windows of random houses and cheap grocery stores is probably fight for affordable living.
All these things leftists have done last week in Berlin.
WTF is going on in your brainwashed head?
😂 😂 😂 😂
It is easy to pile up against minorities, especially on anonymous mobs.
When you ride a bike in a car-centric world you become a minority.
But I see that attitudes are changing as the number of cyclists increase. I am optimistic about the future of cycling.
I would be too, considering the ongoing oil price increases. Everyone is gonna be on a bike by 2050!
It's ok. The whole world isn't like that. I get lots of pleasant things happening on my cycle rides; cars letting me out, people waving, cheery smiles. My work put on free servicing once a month.
Lots of people in the world like cyclists.
My town is trying, but I still get cut off and punish passed on most of my rides. And I only ride on 25mph roads lol.
New bike lanes are being added everyday though, so yeah, it's slowing improving ❤️🩹
You should log off of reddit. The internet is toxic.
If it has you doubting real world activities which bring you joy, thats an example of a toxic internet.
Also, personally, 9/10 times' its the 45mph rural pre-colonial farm roads which are good cycling. Bike lanes are great but you're still cycling somewhere high traffic with a bunch of intersections.
Find somewhere empty ride all day until you're too exhausted to care what basement dwelling neckbeards think. Rise in the morning, and repeat.
>Bike lanes are great but you're still cycling somewhere high traffic with a bunch of intersections.
TANGENT: a pet peeve of mine is wanting bollards or other architecture separating bike lanes from automobiles. The holy shrine of bike/auto segregation is the [hovenring](https://www.amusingplanet.com/2014/01/hovenring-floating-circular-cycle.html).
Of course the world will get computer driven cars (which will kill far fewer cyclists) before we get widespread bike/auto segregation.
COUNTER-TANGENT: if you live somewhere with the population density to support a "hovenring" you're already exposed to a population & traffic density which is sub-optimal for cycling.
Two 7-lane highways intsecting @ surface level is...proplematic for peds, drivers, cyclists alike. The whole darn thing should be a traffic ring for the cars w/overpasses for cyclists & peds a few hundred meters back from the circle.
Also, its a lot more likely they'll just close roads to cyclists & pedestrians to accomidate self-driving vehicles, than they will wait XYZ decades for the technology to fully develop.
We've been using remote-operated machines like concrete pumps & trench rollers on construction sites for going on 20 years. But. You do still need a human operator, somewhere, because the AI to decide what to do in a situation without any good options (mud, snow, rain, lack of traffic lanes, temporary construction detours) doesn't exist yet. When a concrete pump explodes, OSHA still needs an operator to pin liability on.
Also, Tesla's having collision avoidance doesn't mean they wont buzz by you callously or threateningly.
I mean, sometimes here in the UK you get away with cycling on 70 mph dual carriageways that are fully grade separated... in fact, their main difference from motorways (where cyclists aren't allowed) is the absence of shoulders, and often two lanes rather than 3.
Can be hell at the wrong time of day (most of it), of course, but at quiet times I generally find that even the rare driver that honks at you still changes lane to pass - the problems start when someone is overtaking them, because the idiots forget that they have a brake pedal as soon as they join a dual carriageway.
Just be careful, and be extra pleasant and smiley to the world. They can't stop you being a nice person.
We need to give this advice to drivers!
Most cyclists are also drivers.
Most drivers are nice people.
It only takes very few people to be horrible, but those tend to be the ones you notice. But don't let that trick you into assuming that all drivers are horrible.
You are correct, people only express the bad things. I've never gone for a ride and came back and said, 100 cars passed me and nothing happened. But if 1 guy is a doosh, then I come home complaining about that 1 MF'er.
I live in Florida, a state notorious for its asshole drivers. Rough estimate, I drive by a thousand people a day. Maybe once a week there’s a truly horrible one - tailgating, with an NRA sticker and bullet replacement for their antenna, flicking me off yelling.
It’s more the run of the mill aggression. Honking at lights, running lights, excessive speed (40 in a 25 is unsafe), not letting people merge.
I always get the impression that Americans on the whole are a lot more aggressive than other countries. When you watch American films/tv series, the go to reaction to any difference in view is to be violent (I know they are not real life! and I know plenty of calm Americans!)
British people, just, we just tut.
Florida is the Id of America.
Just had a ‘dont tread on me’ oversized pickup almost back into me while I was letting my kids get out of the car. Dude Just dgaf. It’s enough drivers here to make for real shitty conditions often.
Don't let them discourage you (ofc ride safely) but I noticed the riders that are the worst come from the city. THey are probably fed up with traffic and cyclists are not them so they hate us. But I cann assure you they hate on cars aswell.
Car drivers are just out of control and that environment of just sitting in a car isn't healthy for them, so they are naturally inclined to be irritated, since most people are frustrated rather easily.
You are right but it is so easy to concentrate on the negatives esp when you are in physical peril!I realised today that after 5000km on roads here in Portugal (I moved last year from London) no one has shouted at me, hardly anyone has passed too close to me, no one has thrown things at me and I haven't even fallen off yet! I still have that nagging feeling that everyone is out to get me that 40 years of riding in London has given me..
:-) London is a strange place, full of people who are competitive and defensive as they aren't on their home turf. It's crowded and has a wonderful mix of different ways of doing things.
Up north in the UK, I have never, ever had anyone shout at me on my bike, I've never had things thrown at me, but I can't say I've never fallen off. The trouble up here is people giving way when they really shouldn't! They are too kind!
I've been run over a couple of times, but one of those was my own fault (I was ill and fuzzy).
I ride in Plano, TX and everyone here is downright nice to me. The only interactions I've had with cars have been positive, even when they're in big Texas trucks.
I don't even understand what this means! (I don't know what a stopped traffic closing is, or what a fuel hatch is).
Stopped traffic like at a junction on a red light. And the fuel hatch is that little door thingy that hides the fuel filler cap
So why would you open them? That seems a very strange thing to do?
Lol they're suggesting to _close_ them. For the people who accidently leave it open. Like as a friendly gesture.
Ah! I don't think I've ever seen an open one, but would close it if I did.
Try this: "Yeah, especially if you're the kind of cyclist who weaves through stopped traffic, closing fuel hatches that the drivers have left open. It's a simple yet nice thing to do."
Fuel hatches are the flaps covering the fuel filler caps.
Ah ha!!!!! I'm with you now! I've never noticed an open fuel hatch in my life! I do tell people if one of their headlights is out though, as it is much easier to do that from a bike.
I applaud the thought but from experience the act of closing the hatch can lead to unforeseen consequences.
Not on a bicycle at the time but rather on a motorcycle. I live in the Philadelphia suburbs where legal guns are easy to get and tempers are always short. I'm on a two lane expressway. Traffic is backed up and is at a walking speed or at a stand still. I'm lane splitting at just over the speed of traffic, which is to say, crawling along but moving.
Ahead was a panel van with the hatch open. As I rolled by I gave it a light tap to close it. The hatch must have had a stiff spring because it slammed shut resonating along the panels of the truck. It startled the driver and he laid on his horn as I passed.
Is lane splitting legal in PA? I thought it was only legal in cali
Sadly not legal in PA. I was putting about 1200 miles a month on my bike doing commuting and found it convenient. In ten or so years earned me one ticket for failure to maintain lane. $85 as far as I recall. No points. I considered it to be a fee.
> Lots of people in the world like cyclists.
Here they do. I have personal experience to go on. And you should see Holland!
I think it is sad because the infrastructure in the U.S. is so car centric and was built that way due to the influence of the car industry. Winds up people have to have a car to survive which is a huge expense. Then drivers become terrified they will kill cyclists and so lash out at cyclists and cyclists get mad at drivers. So everyone is distracted by being mad at one another instead of putting all that energy into changing the infrastructure. There is all this focus on electric car infrastructure but cycling would do so much more for health and the environment.
The irony is that our infrastructure is so car centric and it still blows driving anywhere
I’ve been hit and in dangerous situations as a cyclist. As a driver, I always give extra space and respect to those riding.
The funny part about this post is that it sums up a very similar, yet unpopular argument on more than just the cycling situation.
It isn’t the car/bike (tool), it’s the driver/rider making the action safe or unsafe.
I took a shower and have cooled off a little lol. I think it's worth mentioning that the infrastructure plays a big role in this too. Of course, a lot of people are upset that we're paying for new cycling infrastructure here, but I guess that's another issue 😅
Couldn’t agree more. When I lived in CA, there were bike lanes everywhere. When I lived in AZ and now KY, I’m terrified to ride in a road. Only local paved trails or parks out here.
Yup. I had a great job offer in KY. I turned it down because there was no where to safely ride my bike. Too bad because it is beautiful in parts of KY.
I have a very mixed bag where I live. Thankfully there isn’t too much overt hostility, but there is enough that I’ve invested in a rear-facing radar, wear a road ID bracelet and make sure my wife has my live track link for each outdoor ride. One can never be too safe.
I really want to get one of those radars. they look so neat 😊
Welcome to being a visible minority in human society.
I'm a trans person living in the south, so I'm already screwed lol.
I guess at least when I'm on a bike people hate me because of the bike not because I'm trans 🤣
> cars break way more laws and kill way more people than bikes
You're thinking of "drivers."
Take Reddit with a grain of salt. It’s mostly Americans who confuse selfishness for freedom.
I saw that post. The cyclist were making a protest by trying to stop traffic in the dark. I'm a cyclist as my primary means of transport and I would never be that stupid as it will always be a really stupid way to protest. A protest like that will definitely earn the ire of all.
Yes, the responses were toxic and yes, the stupidity of the protest method means everybody knows about the protest, but nobody is talking about the reason it exists, so the whole thing was for nothing than garnering hate from other road users, unfortunately.
There are stupid road users on all forms of transport, unfortunately.
This is the mindset I have as well. The intention that something needs to change and awareness needs to go up is good. The implementation by putting bikes on a dark road and running off is an aweful way to do it.
The ONLY thing that they accomplished was now the drivers see cyclists as both causing risk and annoying.
Exactly. For comparison, the ghost bike project (I think it is called); where white bicycles are left at the side of the road where some biker was killed or lost, works well because people always ask: "what is that?" and a discussion follows. These white bikes are easy to see and not intrusive to others. Sometimes people leave flowers at the site, too, drawing more attention.
I believe the protest in the mentioned article was for somebody who was killed cycling, although that whole thread is just garbage, now, so its hard to tell and of course, the whole message is lost.
Poor idea for a protest. Not likely to get you any sympathy.
After leaving the US, I can say that bike hate is certainly nothing elsewhere that I've been like it is in the US. I was just recently in spain in a very road-bike heavy area, beautiful, tiny roads, but a fairly good amount of car traffic. No one seemed bothered at all by the bikes. The number of bikes I saw there, if that were a place in the US a fucking local statute would have been passed to prevent it.
Same thing with motorcycles. It’s quite wild to se how openly sociopathic so many are because someone is using a different form of transport.
It's a lack of perspective. Most people are drivers who don't cycle, hence, most people are not empathetic to cyclists. As cycling and other non-car transport like electric scooters continues to grow in popularity that equation will gradually change.
Cars (their drivers) judge cyclists by the 5% worst. Cyclists judge cars by the 5% worst. It's human nature. If the 5% worst of each weren't allowed on the roads, we would all be a lot happier. Except that 5%
*I'm just a human being on another fucking journey*
I'm 50, biking my whole life, advocate for bicycle safety, laws, etc. That said, road block protests are not effective. Smashed bikes are to be expected. Work the problem in city hall, not city streets.
I'm a cyclist, and a commercial truck driver. We can all get along.
This new thing where people are blocking streets to protest incites anger and harms whatever cause the protesters are trying to promote. We have a right to speak freely, and others can choose to listen or not. Infringing on others ability to conduct their lives is not free speech.
Everyone is an asshole here. There shouldn't be bikes lying all over blocking the road so people can't get to work or home to their kids, and busses shouldn't drive over piles of bikes in the road. One needs to understand though that a bike left in the road might get run over.
New thing? Disputing everyday life has been the MO of basically every protest ever.
Maybe instead of being about the bikes its about these protesters blocking the road when people have some place to be.
I see the same sentiment when its humans blocking the road, not just bikes.
It’s not necessarily that they hate cycling, more so that they hated the demonstration. Which that could be a very different conversation. I think generally drivers are fine with people on bicycles unless they are “in the way.” Whether they actually are or even have the choice to be is not the point. The fact is that in that video’s case they were extremely and unjustifiably in the way and people hate that - I hate that even as a cyclist. Basically people on Reddit are jerks and people who are mad at a specific situation that relates to you doesn’t mean they are mad at you.
People also conveniently forget that virtually all cyclists are also motorists. Not everyone on a bicycle is some Luddite weirdo. It's frustrating.
Kay but that also doesn’t give you license to run over people
It made those drivers look bad. Imagine being so self-important that you'd destroy a bunch of others' property and damage your own so as to get someplace a little faster.
Bro it’s a protest. The idea is civil disobedience. If you’re mad that a protest made you late for work, how about thinking above the basic instinctual anger for 1 second and saying “what’s prompting these people to do this?”
If you’re late to work and your boss fires you despite you saying you were slowed by a protest, your boss is an asshole
Your life is not being made that much harder by having to sit in traffic for a little longer. Fuck, driving in a city especially is mostly just that anyway
If having to take a detour causes you to be late you’re not very responsible. And if being late causes you to be fired, you’re either a bad employee, or the system under which you work should be protested
lmao be quiet
Lol eat my ass.
Yeah most people hate us. Its ok. I've been hated before. At least this time its just for something healthy that I enjoy, that helps the planet.
My main cycling routes take me through Waller, TX. Enough said.
It’s funny that car ads often put bikes randomly in the background. I notice them every time now. This tries to associate the car in the ad with childhood memories of the freedom you felt when riding your bicycle, while at the same time telling you that it’s time to “grow up” and put away childhood “toys” like the bicycle. Also, it makes the car seem more fast and safe by comparison.
42% of Americans are obese and over 60% are overweight, so at least half the people commenting haven't rode a bike in their lives.
I always see anecdotal comments about how cyclists are always blowing stop signs/red lights. As if a few bad eggs means all cyclists are scoundrels who deserve to be killed on sight.
Assholes don't care about facts, they're just assholes. They can fuck sand, keep on riding <3
I don't care what the issue is, you don't protest in the street. Fucking up traffic because you're mad about something makes you an asshole. Those people have to get to work, just made them late. Maybe someone's on the way to the doctor, made them late.
Protest out of the street, on the sidewalks where ya belong.
You act like just because we ride bikes that we're supposed to be afford special treatment. I've lived in a downtown area where bikers broke more rules than cars did which was why I moved out, the amount of times I almost hit people running red lights because "lol I'm on a bike fuck you".
We have rules just like car drivers do. I yell at car drivers the same way I yell at bike riders.
Don't see me throwing my bike in the fucking street because I'm mad messing up everyone else's day that had nothing to do with the issue they're protesting about.
Car drivers are literally the worst.
We only 'NEED' cars because for decades the cars have demand more and more space and accommodation for cars based mostly on the threat that cars will kill a bunch (more) people if they aren't given accommodations.
We NEED bikes as a viable alternative to the horrors of urban planning and environmental destruction that have been created by cars.
We need TRUCKS as a way to transport goods. Personal automobiles can share the road with everyone else. It does not belong to them alone.