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Thanks For a Great Vacation!!!

Thanks For a Great Vacation!!!

zRustyShackleford

So funny to hear an outsider's perspective of the T. It's so commonly an area of complaint. I really do think we take much of it for granted. When I first moved to the Boston area I thought it was the greatest thing in the world, now that I've lived here for awhile I find myself complaining about it regularly. Could it be better? Yes. Could it be worse, ? oh yeah! Glad you enjoyed yourself!


thomascgalvin

Very few American cities have anything resembling the T. Our public transit might be on fire and literally falling off the rails, but god damn it it's ours.


Minnow_Minnow_Pea

I mean, it hasn't caught on fire in months... MONTHS!


AlpineLace

Winters coming


Master_Dogs

That's when it freezes lol. A small ice storm and the whole system crashes... and I guess burns too, so, you know what, you're right LOL.


taketombo

And when the switch heaters ignite the trash in the trash in the subway tunnels. Only you can prevent subway fires! (All dunks cups and bags should be discarded into appropriate trash receptacles.)


AlpineLace

Or the rats in the tunnels that are the size of a house cat get to close boom fire


NomNomDePlume

Thankful for your optimism!


biffNicholson

Very true. when its icy and snowy. they literally have to set the above ground rail switches on fire so they don't freeze up. I think they do have some electric switch heaters on parts of the red line. but its funny seeing a T worker standing next to a small fire on the rails. I used to see it all the time at Pakards corner on the green line


AlpineLace

The electric switch heaters were probabaly the ones that failed a few years back stranding all those trains.


bakgwailo

Personally, I'd take the random little track fire over subway cars jumping the tracks into main signal tracks in an obvious attempt at suicide to put itself out of it's miserable life any day of the week.


Andromeda321

After living in several metro areas around the world, I can confidently say that it doesn't matter if your public transit is *amazing*, local people will still bitch about it. Not saying the T always is amazing, mind, but the point is even in the Netherlands or Germany when I lived there people complained all the time too.


tacknosaddle

The first time I went to DC and saw the carpet on the Metro subway cars I thought to myself, "That's dumb, when the drunks puke on it how are they gonna get the stench out?"


emotionally_tipsy

I really do think once the new orange and red line cars are in place (and assuming they work), it will help a lot


alohadave

I saw a New Yorker complaining online the other day that the MTA was total shit and barely operational.


Pork-Roll

It isn't total shit, but lately it is pretty shit. I don't even come close to using the T as people who live and work in Boston since I am pretty much a sports tourist but every time I have it has felt like a breath of fresh air.


nhf1918

Agreed. People love to complain about the T. When it comes down to it, it's one of the few legitimate large scale public transit systems in the country...


mdicke3

Even with other large scale public transit systems the T is better, when I moved from SF to Boston I so pleasantly surprised by how much better the T was than the Muni/BART.


zunzarella

OMG, the T is heads and shoulders above BART. For starters, it goes beyond downtown!


ClamChowderBreadBowl

I think you have something confused - BART routes are like 100 miles long


zunzarella

No, I don't. BART is great if you want to commute from Lafayette to SF. Once you're in the city, it's useless.


DarkMetroid567

Beyond downtown was the confusing part, because scale-wise BART does go waaaaay further. But that's really because it's more akin to the Commuter Rail.


zunzarella

Yeah, it's not a way to get around SF. It's a way to get to SF.


Maxpowr9

My only gripes with the T is with it not growing with the metro area and MA still putting the car on top of the transportation hierarchy.


PHD_Memer

Our train laws are kinda fucked, our regulations I believe mean trains need to be like freighters, if we could make them lighter/smaller then we could probably make them cheaper, faster, more abundant and then extend service of normal T like stuff out past Boston into the larger metro area, and honestly a few lines going to places like Plymouth (that aren’t the commuter rail)


Maxpowr9

NIMBYism killed that dream in the GBA. I like to think of it as karma for Arlington killing the Red Line extension and now said town is a parking lot of traffic.


cretinous-bastard

Arlington didn't want the "bad elements" from the city; we all know what that means


Ancient_War1007

The T is indeed old, which is understandable given how old Boston is. It is indeed ugly compared to what Athens or Tokyo has. However, it is one of the very best systems in the States. It has its flaws and yes, the screeching noise is terrible, but my goodness, it is absolutely wonderful to have a T like ours. Absolutely grateful.


LemonBomp

Boylston screeching ASMR


Michelanvalo

The fact that we even have a Subway when 90% of our city is landfill is amazing in it's own right.


alohadave

Much of the T tunnels are cut and cover, and aren't that far below ground. Look at the lines overlaid on the street map: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3577766,-71.0720981,6418m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e2 Most of the underground sections follow streets and are not very deep. The red line under South Station and Fort Point Channel, the blue line under the Harbor are notable exceptions.


CalliopeKB

I’m in London and there is some tube screeching here I’ve NEVER heard at home, even around “that one bend” outside Harvard station. I had to cover my ears.


FueGolDeYepes

changing from red to orange in Downtown Xing 😭😭 painful lol


taketombo

Older system >> tighter corners >> more screeching? I have a fantasy that we build a new green line passage from Park St to Arlington, to the North of the Central Burying Grounds, and route most of the trains in it. Keep one line Arlington-Boylston-Park for historic reasons/sentimentality, or maybe reopen/extend the abandoned tunnel under Tremont street to connect with Tufts Medical Center. Then you could have Tufts in Somerville to Park-Boylston-Tufts, which would be both confusing and awesome.


CubularRS

Dude, when I visited London, it was incredibly loud it was horrible


Mumbles76

Don't forget Jaipur India, has better trains than we do. Granted their metro is new and ours is 100 years old... But I shouldn't be still riding in train cars that I rode in High School.


thesamstorm

The T made me really appreciate NYC’s MTA, which I used to complain about all the time. Now I love the MTA.


taketombo

Just visited NYC for the weekend, and using the MTA made me fall in love again with the MBTA.


yshavit

Bostonians love to complain, period. If we didn't have anything to complain about, we'd complain about that.


tacknosaddle

If I hadn't just complained in another comment I would be complaining about yours because I was due. Just fucking due.


alohadave

There's a saying in the Navy: A bitching sailor is a happy sailor.


BradDaddyStevens

The T *is* shit though. It’s such a shame, too, because Boston is like the perfect American city to build out a great public transit system.


Pork-Roll

I come up for Pats and Bruins games-originally from NYC. Trust me. The T is in decent shape. I was up there for the season opener this year and any time over the long weekend I took I utilized the T it seemed pretty clean, decently speedy, and didn't smell like someone dropped pants and took a fucking shit in the stations or trains. Could it be I got them on a good day? Sure. But wait, isn't the MTA getting new gear and tech? Yes, they're getting R211s. However the absolute incompetence or evil, or both even of the MTA and NY state is tanking the MTA. It is a wonder they didn't bungle this or find some underqualified contractor to pay 1000% more than the job should cost. Commuter rail was nice too. Didn't feel like I was in a fever dream. Conductors were pretty personable at least on the trains to and from Worcester and the Patriots train.


taketombo

Both the MTA and the MBTA are getting their fare system upgraded by the same vendor. in both cases its years behind plan. 😩😩😩


Pork-Roll

Sounds about right. If it helps the fare collection methods currently used by the MBTA are still better now 😂 as a sports tourist pretty much, I've always thought that to be the case with the Charlie tickets. MTA turnstiles are basically RNG of whether or not they're going to function the right way


ChefBoyAreWeFucked

It really, really depends on expectations. I moved here from somewhere with basically no public transit, and have been generally very pleased. But I've also been to Japan several times, and my first day back is always rough. I remember looking at my watch and seeing no sign of my train despite being 30 seconds after its scheduled time and being furious. Had to take a step back and tell myself i was being ridiculous.


Sc00t_Sc00t

I moved here from Albany and Ohio before that and while I've experienced better subways on vacations to NYC, DC, and Montreal, it's still a godsend to live in a city with semi functional public transit so I don't pay $30 to park everytime I want to go downtown


TooTallForPony

When I was taught probability, hating on the T was the go-to example for why probability is not intuitive. If trains arrive every 5 min on average, there's some variability to that number. Sometimes it's 1 min, sometimes it's 30, most of the time it's somewhere in between. But when you show up at the station not knowing the current state of things, you're far more likely to show up some time during that 30 min window than during that 1 min window. So from the T's perspective they're moving passengers every 5 min, but from the customers' perspective they're waiting far longer.


ribi305

There's also a big difference if you aren't taking it all rush hour and if you aren't expecting any particular timing to work out, as often would be the case for tourists. The T has pretty good coverage of the places tourists want to go (except South Boston and seaport)


cgkboston

So I’m guessing they didn’t ride the red line south or the green or orange. I think they’re talking about the workers and not the infrastructure. Bostonians can be helpful to outsiders on the T. To them I say next time you come back check out our beaches easily the best in the world.


SWAVcast

Glad you had a good time, but more importantly that you took public transportation so we didn't have to honk at you.


jolllyroger027

Lol yea if I had to rent a car, I'd be toast. Your roads are crazy.


tacknosaddle

There was a story from a number of years back (pre-gps) where some tourists were driving here and got completely lost and ended up on the J-way and had no idea how to get back to their hotel. They found a spot to pull over and asked a guy jogging for directions. He told the person driving to move to another seat and in shock they did. As he drove back to their hotel on Boylston he told them, "You'll never remember all the directions." He pulled up in front of their hotel threw it in park, got out and jogged away without even waiting for thanks.


ShadowandSoul24

What a great story!


Jetpilotboiii1989

Even I get a little lost in Boston and I’ve lived here all my life. Glad you had a great time here. and stay outta the bike lane 😉


snoogins355

Driving in Boston, don't!


JoshDigi

Best piece of advice for tourists for 100 years in a row


snoogins355

I used to work at a university in the Boston area and I'd always get entering grad students asking if they should have a car in Boston. They obviously had not been to Boston very much or at all in some cases with international students. I'd say no way every time. Wait until they get here and try public transit or even biking/walking if you lived near campus. They always said that was a good call after their first few weeks in the area


Slight-Hovercraft197

I’ve lived in MA my entire life and still refuse to drive in Boston


spoobles

>Your roads are crazy. ...and it makes traffic even worse, in that half the people know exactly where they're going while the other half have absolutely no idea where they're going.


Seninut

Boston has a strong flavor. I moved here 14 years ago after visiting. Often Boston gets a bad rap as far as the people that live here from many people that live in other places. The simplest way I can explain the people of Boston and MA for the most part are kind but not super nice. Many of the other states tend to be Nice but not all that kind. If you want your answer polished up, probably not going to get it, but they will tell you what they know and try to point you in the right direction.


photinakis

"Boston has a strong flavor" is honestly a brilliant way of describing it.


seeker135

The "broad A" *is* an acquired taste if not raised here.


frankcauldhame1

when i moved from VA to MA the accent took some getting used to - the vowel sounds (and in some neighborhoods, the tendency to shout conversations with the neighbors across the street) made me think people were angry and about to throw down. it actually made me jumpy for a while till i sensitized. it no longer catches my attention at all, and i'm totally down with shouting now. :D then i moved to rhode island, and whoa the accent makes boston sound normal, despite me having been down here for a decade


seeker135

The word "box" turns into "bahx", right?


Successtaurant

You fuhgot the cream in my fahkin caw-fee.


frankcauldhame1

cooywah-fee


Successtaurant

Queeeeeeefeee


tacknosaddle

I met a woman who is originally from California but came here for college and settled. One day she said something about her aunt. I asked her how long it took her living here to start pronouncing it properly. She laughed and said a few years, but now when she goes home they make fun of her because she'll sometimes forget to shift the pronunciation back to "ant" for them.


seeker135

"Aunt"-pronouncers *represent!* The "U" is there for a *reason*, Philistines!


SBrooks103

Yes, it's not really a "broad A" issue, because we don't say "ahnt" for the insect. As you say, "ant" and "aunt" are two different words, so are pronounced differently.


seeker135

Yes. My linguistic skills just another gift from my polymath father long ago. The first and most important level of "knowing what you're talking about", lol


Lemonadepants_

Well said. Everyone is generally “on a mission” when you see them out and about. And they don’t want to be bothered by small talk or whatever. But they’ll usually, without question, stop to help someone in need (not talking about people asking for money)


tacknosaddle

>the people of Boston and MA for the most part are kind but not super nice. Many of the other states tend to be Nice but not all that kind A related statement I've heard and used is that in Boston "You won't make friends fast, but you will make fast friends." Basically meaning that it might be harder to make a connection with people from here, but when you do it's a much stronger friendship. The reputation thing is real (Samantha Bee just made a crack about Boston being racist on her show). I will admit that Boston has race problems, but I've lived in and visited other places that are much worse. It's a shame that the US city that probably had the biggest abolitionist movement prior to the Civil War has had that fact completely buried because of fuckwits in one neighborhood a century later.


sihtydaernacuoytihsy

I mean... it's not just that one neighborhood. But yes, it's definitely also that neighborhood. Or was, before it turned into... whatever it is now.


tacknosaddle

To be clear, I'm not saying that racism was isolated to that one neighborhood. What I'm saying is that it was that one neighborhood's reaction to busing nearly fifty years ago that has cemented the perception that Boston is racist way beyond the reality to much of the nation.


alohadave

> It's a shame that the US city that probably had the biggest abolitionist movement prior to the Civil War has had that fact completely buried because of fuckwits in one neighborhood a century later. Mass had a lot to do with slavery pre-civil war. It was abolished here long before other places, but there were prominent Bostoners that were slave traders, and all the mills in the Merrimack Valley directly profited from cheap cotton from the south.


tacknosaddle

>Bostoners Bostonians. That's #1 because Christ but it fucking hurt my ears to read that shit you wrote. \#2 is just to point out that my statement does not try to absolve the entire city of pre-Civil War fault. What you say is true, not denied, but unrelated.


jolllyroger027

The beer has strong flavor too. Tried a few local brews and the custom sam Adam's everyone seems to have. Very delicious bold flavor


Seninut

"Your Cousin from Boston"


SuccubusBo

I have a cousin getting married next yr. She lives in upstate NY (real upstate, not central or western NY). I am trying to find the perfect audio/video of that dude at the wedding to send her. :)


tacknosaddle

He's an actor that does commercials. I bet you could get in contact and have something custom made for not too much coin. I'd at least look into that as it could turn into a legendary family story.


SuccubusBo

It would be awesome!!!!


tacknosaddle

Make it happen. I have faith in you.


CelticsPrincess1991

hahahahaha LMAO XD!!! everytime I see that commercial on TV I laugh even harder because that's how a lot of us are. I'm only a certain amount of miles from Boston.


dan420

I like the “kind but not nice” description. You try and cut me off getting onto Storrow you can bet your ass I’ll give you the finger, but if I see $10 fall out of your pocket on the sidewalk, you know I’m going to pick it up, chase you down, and give it back.


CabotLowell

We'll help you fix a flat tire while calling you "fucking stupid," Southerners will say how bad they feel for you, but won't fix your tire.


jolllyroger027

The good ole "bless your heart" in the south. Our kind way of calling folk stupid lol


rumpledshirtsken

Unless you're Elliot Davis. I had my run in with him years ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/boston/comments/7ufwf5/conman_elliot_davis_is_back_again_approached_with/


bbbbmmm20

“kind but not super nice.” So accurate. It’s something you might not totally get at the beginning, but understand it as you get used to living here.


eaglessoar

> the most part are kind but not super nice lost down town? ill walk you to your destination just dont talk to me


Luggage-Code-12345

Safe travels friend!


CCMacReddit

I spent three months after college touring the US via Amtrak to determine where to live next. Started in Boston, did a giant loop, and ended up right where I began. I guess I’m a Boston pigeon after all!


eburton555

You’re welcome


bryter_layter_76

It's always so strange to hear visitors praising the T when they visit as the locals despise it. Me, loved it when I lived there but then again I grew up in the sticks with a skateboard as my main public transportation.


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tacknosaddle

>one of the most welcoming places on Earth It's not our fault that people from elsewhere don't realize that "Go fuck yourself!" is a term of endearment.


Successtaurant

Amen. Just moved from Boston to the southwest and have been trying to wean myself off the "fuckin'" interlaced in every other sentence that comes out of my mouth 🤣


taketombo

I once worked a job where the most senior guy, really smart, knew his shit forwards and backwards, couldn‘t get a sentence out without at least one “fucking.” Was yelling at the top of his lungs by the end of any conversation. He nearly quit swearing when his wife got very ill, and we were all walking on tiptoes around him while he spoke in this normal-volume voice. It was really sad.


itonlyhappenstwo

Thank you for the compliment. Yes, Boston is like an oyster with a pearl. Hard to open sometimes, and great inside...for the most part :)


wbjohn

Next time you come take a few minutes and visit the Christian Science Monitor Publishing building. Skip the tour unless you're fascinated by paper whizzing by at high speed. Just walk into the lobby and look for the sign that says "Mapparium". [https://www.christianscience.com/find-us/visit-the-mother-church/visit-the-christian-science-plaza/how-do-you-see-the-world-experience](https://www.christianscience.com/find-us/visit-the-mother-church/visit-the-christian-science-plaza/how-do-you-see-the-world-experience)


itsunix

Boston is fucking dope. Sincerely, a Seattleite.


sihtydaernacuoytihsy

Hella thanks!


eaglessoar

seattle is pretty nice too! feels like a giant city on lake winnipesauke or something


wombat5003

I was in New York a number of years ago and I was greatly surprised at how good the public transportation was there were plenty of friendly t employees around to help you with the passes ect…. Now I went back a couple of years ago and it was the exact opposite….. terrible and I ended up just using ubers


Cuppacoke

Can’t any Bostonian just say, “Thank you for your kind words, dear tourist.” ? “Boston has a strong flavor” is brilliant and the flavor is strong here on this thread! LOL


Busy_Bid_3925

I'm just curious what Boston was this


zac79

The Portland one.


stryker511

Thank you! Great to hear… where ya from?


jolllyroger027

St. Louis, we need to send our "city leaders" on a trip to learn a few things from Boston


spoobles

You already sent your leaders. They beat us in game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals. Edit, and if you think the food in Boston was good, venture down to Providence your next visit. Lower rents and plenty of Johnson and Wales graduates mean lots of great dining options.


Rafael_Armadillo

Thanks for coming to visit!


spewaskew

Happy you enjoyed your trip!! What was the best thing you saw or did?


jolllyroger027

Favorite Part hands down was at Union Oyster House. They took time to show us around and privately explain all of the history on the walls. But there I realized there are Irish, Italian, and British influences all over town, but on that 2nd floor of the restaurant, it was Pure Americana. It rooted me. Made me appreciative of our history. "Open to all parties, but influenced by none" Massachusetts Spy. I know it seems small but it was a personal thing that tripped a trigger. Gave me the feels. And it was a total surprise. I didn't come to Boston looking for that, but absolutely left with an appreciation. In town we walked most of the red line and toured the main history spots all over town. Union oyster house, Bunker hill, Cassin Young, Constitution, Old North Church, Paul Ravere house. We walked a lot of neighbors around these places and just kinda "got lost" There is so much character around every corner. Outside of town we went to Gloucester and met some crew from Wicked Tuna fishing boats. That was pretty surreal.


Andromeda321

As someone who grew up here in the Midwest but moved here three years ago, this is definitely something hard to explain to people who are from here- the USA has little history that old, and you spend all your time learning about these places and people as a kid, and then you can actually *see* it! Next time you come back, head out to Lexington/Concord and Plymouth too. They're all just so darn neat if you've any interest in history at all.


jolllyroger027

Its one thing I can never get from a book that's for sure. I'll tag it on the list. We already started putting bookmarks for next trip. I'd like to head south and see the Massachusetts Battleship as well. There is history everywhere


eaglessoar

> As someone who grew up here in the Midwest i always was surprised to learn other states had history classes or lessons on their specific state history, we just had normal american history aka the history of massachusetts god damn hub of the universe


CalliopeKB

Ooohhh I’m a Wicked Tuna fan! Who did you meet?


jolllyroger027

Dave Marciano. We were eating lunch and the falcon rolled in to dock. Very humble guy, he signed some cards for us and chatted for id guess 10 minutes. They caught a fish but we didn't see the offload. The boys on hard merch were already tied up they got a fish earlier in the day. I saw Dot Com rolling through the Harbor, but I didn't see where he docked his ship. It would have been cool to meet both of them, but I feel very lucky to get the chance at meeting Marciano. My wife and I have been fans since season 1


CalliopeKB

AMAZING. That is so cool I’m so jealous. What a fun addition to your trip!!


cretinous-bastard

As a native, I've never been to the Union Oyster House! But I hope you found out about its history -- not only is it one of the oldest continuously operating restaurants in the US, but the future French king Louis Philippe apparently taught French to Boston ladies upstairs in the same building.


perplexiglass

You went to the North Shore and didn't have a beef 3 way? I'm offended.


jolllyroger027

Who makes the best beef 3 way. Cuz honestly we are gearing up for another trip in a year maybe 2


perplexiglass

Jamie's in Peabody or Bill and Bobs in Woburn. Also the end result of asking this question has the potential to end friendships up here. Glad you enjoyed your trip!


johnsmith13579

It can be a very heated conversation lol. We love our 3 ways around here!


Successtaurant

And, uhh, wherever you're from, maybe don't go around asking who's got the best beef 3 way. That sort of thing is illegal almost everywhere else. Except for West Virginia, I'm assuming.


eaglessoar

> Who makes the best beef 3 way the subject of much discussion, youll find many posts on this sub debating this. personally i think alamo in medford is the best


OnundTreefoot

Did they tell you how fake Wicked Tuna is? I went out fishing with a friend and the skipper who owned the new boat in the Gloucester fleet - the one selected to take the crew out - and he dished and debunked the whole show!


jolllyroger027

He didn't mention much of the show. We talked charters and different fishing seasons. He talked about his kids and what they were up to these days. He did mention they were done filming for the 11th season. But I'm not sure what there is to debunk. I'm sure they add in drama and shit because it's TV and that's what TV execs do. But what did the captain debunk?


OnundTreefoot

He said he was fired up to be on the show - and 4-5 of the Gloucester captains all went out together on his boat. They did things like tie a dead tuna to the line and pretend to catch it (because there were no tuna that day) and dragged another object to make it look like something was one the line. He gathered his family to watch the episode and was absolutely gobsmacked: they cut the film and edited everything to conform to a script where he was portrayed as a deck hand that was trying out for a job (and didn't make the cut) instead of as the owner and captain of the boat. Funny enough, I only saw one episode of Duck Dynasty and only about 10 minutes of it, but incredibly someone I know was actually on TV during that episode - the owner of a winery that one of the main characters had supposedly bought. Of course, he was edited to appear as a consultant, and of course the duck dynasty guy hadn't bought the winery, and the show didn't follow through on their commitment to help my friend's winery grow through exposure. Reality TV is, of course, unreal.


CaligulaBlushed

"Your food is off the charts and your public transit is a model for everyone to follow." Where are you from that makes the food and the public transit here look so good? I need to know so I never visit.


srhlzbth731

To be fair, the MBTA is actually one of the best public transit systems in the entire country. It's outdated and needs work and we love to complain about it, but we actually have it better than most major cities.


olli_bombastico

>To be fair, the MBTA is actually one of the best public transit systems in the entire country. this doesn't say much.


SlipSpace21

The MBTA is excellent ... for America. The issue is that our national standards are so low, Boston looks like a public transit dream


dravernor

As someone who just moved here from the Netherlands and heard everyone rave about how good public transport is in Boston, I am underwhelmed. I would describe the T as ‘it is’. ETA: I guess at least we have public transport, and someone can somewhat cycle to and fro.


SlipSpace21

Exactly. Its done better in Europe, but this is damn good for America.


dravernor

Yeah, agreed. One of the few places I don’t HAVE to buy a car.


Andromeda321

Welkom! Mijn man is Nederlands. :)


dravernor

Hoi! Mijn man is Italiaans! Maar ik ben geen Nederlander :)


Andromeda321

Haha ok! :) Welcome either way!


jolllyroger027

Oh friend come to st louis. We have the metro link.... ooof The food is good in St. Louis, but the classic lobster roll, new England clam chowder, fresh oysters, fresh sea food. It's not widely available around our parts.


PatriotMike1

But you've got Ted Drewes. We've got great ice cream in Boston, but I'm craving a concrete right now.


jolllyroger027

We do have great frozen custard/concrete lol. If we had something like the T Lines that offered better mobility I think our neighborhoods would be less divided.


Minnow_Minnow_Pea

If you ever find yourself in Brighton, Abbott's has really good frozen custard.


TheSpruce_Moose

Oh boy....I have some news for you.


donkeyrocket

Grew up in St. Louis and now live in Boston, I'd say besides seafood (obviously), St. Louis has the better food scene. But yeah, the Metrolink is fairly useless. Boston is more walkable/bikeable, nicer looking, cleaner, safer but that all comes at a hefty price tag that even the well-compensated aren't really able to afford anymore.


tacknosaddle

The state liquor license laws are probably the number one thing fucking up the restaurant scene in Boston. That you basically need close to a half-million dollars to get one limits new places opening up to corporate chains or venture capital backed restaurant groups. It pisses me the fuck off at how much better it could be.


cretinous-bastard

I agree, it's ridiculous. There's no reason for the supply to be so constrained like that except inertia from the time of the stupid old blue laws. There should just be a set registration fee -- even a moderately hefty one known in advance would be okay -- and some licensing conditions met, and then any restaurant or bar should be able to get one. But the number of licenses per *town* is fixed and can only be increased by the state!


Udontlikecake

> But the number of licenses per town is fixed and can only be increased by the state! *Unless you’re Boston and Cambridge and can throw around your political power to get exempted. It’s such bullshit man. It’s easy to fix too! Like the whole corruption with distributors is a massive issue, but the license thing could be solved tomorrow if beacon hill wasn’t so corrupt.


cgkboston

How true,no place better in the world for all things sea food


rumpledshirtsken

Fried clams with bellies. Mmmm....


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Averylarrychristmas

I mean…we’re known for our seafood.


Emperor-Awesome

The fact that people who grew up here manage to complain about the T or the food is a testament to how great this city is.


MrRemoto

Aye, you're probably just too young to remember the great red line derailment of '19. But I remembers. I remember right clear. Platforms so packed in like sardines a man could nary lift his phone to 'is eyes! Announcements so staticky ye could barely hear the slurp of an empty ice coffee! Buses, oh the buses, lined up 3 deep and 5 fold long! Those of us fit to would journey by foot, laptops heavy on our shoulders. Aye, your wrinkle free comfort fit Dockers ain't so comfortable when you wend from whence to yon across the fallow hinterland of Southie all the way to JFK, early summer temperatures reachin' a blistering 78. Many couldn't go on and were forced to call Uber. Some just up and stayed in Southie but paid the ultimate price with their not insignificant incomes. Others still found respite in the dank grottos near to the station, slakin' their thirst with the local miasma, dullin' their pain for the journey ahead. Aye, you mayn't remember it, but I remembers it clear as day. Worst 4 days this city's ever seen, it was. Best pray fate spares ye a similar woe.


Emperor-Awesome

Ye ever looked into the eyes of a beleaguered T employee when they roll back? Dead eyes, like doll's eyes. *As I came down through Boston City at the hour of twelve at night, who should I spy but a Quincy lady...*


Cuppacoke

Stop ye spying on the Quincy lady, ye preevert!


Cuppacoke

This brought joy to my heart.


Chippopotanuse

Was gonna say. The food is pretty good…but the T? Wow. I can’t imagine cities have a worse public transit than Boston. Then again, this is America.


snoogins355

After NYC, Boston public transit is probably the best. But we put our funding in the military and highways instead of public transit


JoshDigi

One of our two political parties would rather give billions in subsidies to oil companies than give a penny towards public transportation. It’s gross


freedan12

I've lived in the Bay Area for the last 5 years and now moved back (for now), been NYC, Chicago, DC, Atlanta, Austin, LA, and Portland and I can 100% say aside from seafood, the food scene is not good.


Necessary-Celery

>Your food is off the charts I am convinced these people somehow ended up in some kind of parallel universe version of Boston.


man2010

>your public transit should be a model for many to follow. Everyone working on the T lines whether it was a bus, subway, train, or ferry was patient, helpful, and and very friendly. You sure you were in Boston?


Foxyfox-

The T is godly compared to most American mass transit.


jag75

We're pretty spoiled. We don't know how good we actually have it. But it's like the weather - everyone loves to complain about it, which is our right as New Englanders.


Foxyfox-

Indeed...but we *should* complain about our transit, you know? I remember using the T after getting back from a trip to Germany and feeling like "this is so much worse than even the service in Germany to the middle of nowhere"


Iosis

I just moved here from the midwest a few weeks ago and god yes, after living in a city with no public transportation to speak of I am having a fantastic time here.


srhlzbth731

Seriously. I grew up in another larger city that has pretty terrible public transit. Sure, the T is old and needs work, but it's overall a pretty great system,


Pointlesswonder802

Yeah honestly I’ve been on transit in NY, Philly, and DC and honestly there’s no comparison. Obviously the T should be better than it is but I’ll never trade one for the other


tristanryan

I’d absolutely kill to have NYC public transit. Not sure what you’re trying to say. Nothing like getting stuck in the north end because the T closes before bars do.


Pointlesswonder802

I prefer MBTA to MTA any day. As annoying as the early end of service is, the “people stuck in tunnels and stations completely flooded” rate in Boston is way less than NY


taketombo

not when you can get stuck in the wicket instead!


jolllyroger027

It might have been we sound and look like tourists from the midwest so the T line folks were patient with us lol!


sadomagnus

You were dealing with a third party company paid to do the normal T employees are far from patient and hardly know anything besides their own routes if they know that much


ostrow19

I’m pretty sure every major US city complains about public transit


cowheadcow

Glad you enjoyed yourself.


thekathisback

Are you sure you came to Boston? The T wouldn’t even work as a model train set


abbley

It would be too dangerous for children, that's for sure. "Mommy mommy! The livingroom is on fire!"


EasternDank

It'd be called "My First Derailment: Red Line Edition"


jolllyroger027

Full disclosure we didn't use the Red Line Train.


The_Moustache

The real question is did you use the yellow line


shoretel230

I think I saw y'all on the red line going south yesterday. One of you was wearing a Mizzou polo shirt? I'm glad you enjoyed yourself here. Come back soon.


jolllyroger027

We did not take the red line. Yesterday we rode the ferry to Charlestown naval yard and the blue line


CelticsPrincess1991

hehe, that's wicked smaht!!! I'm glad you enjoyed yourself on your vacation, there's so much to do in this state and I've lived in Massachusetts my whole life.


Littleshibs

I love this, glad you enjoyed!


Junior-Tangelo-9565

The T is amazing! To the incredible Bostonian who returned my lost wallet on the T, you have fully returned my faith in humanity. Best transit system in America if you ask me.


CatCranky

Glad you enjoyed yourself!


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1usdto

Food, really? 😳


antzcrashing

Awesome, curious where did you visit from?