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Thoughts on ethical shooting range? This is a 40 yard grouping. How far is too far in the field? 30 has always been my max but considering 40… thoughts on this?

Thoughts on ethical shooting range? This is a 40 yard grouping. How far is too far in the field? 30 has always been my max but considering 40… thoughts on this?

RugzTX

I wouldn't be comfortable until everything was within at least that center circle of not smaller.


2-cents

Bingo.


slapshot2742

I won’t shoot a deer past 40. Hell I’ve only had the opportunity once at 40 and it worked out. Most of my shots are between 15 and 30 yards. Your group is a little open in my opinion to be shooting at a live target. Head up and keep practicing, you’ll get there!


billyg42069

Yeah i wouldnt feel comfortable based on THIS grouping but it got me thinking wether or not 40 was too far to even spend more time at that range or try to get even better at 30


slapshot2742

I would practice as far as you can. I find after an hour of practice at 40 I can stack them in a quarter at 30. The hard, longer shots make closer shots that much easier.


billyg42069

Ohh i see. Thank you for the great advice!


Superfly1911

Same for me...I wouldn't take a shot at 40, but practicing there makes 30 feel like the new 20. 😁


ConstantWish8

I slapped some deer at forty but my grouping was a a consistent baseball size or smaller. If your grouping is small and arrows/setup is solid id say send it at 40. Beyond 40 is where it gets sketch cause of variables imo


Grind_Higher

I'd say there are too many variables past 30 yards. Confidence kills deer. Not luck.


pmMeAllofIt

I'd say no. Unless you hunt at your range. Everything seems farther in the woods, and you're excited,, or sitting for hours,, or out of breath,, or in an awkward position, or countless variables. Plus youre shooting a moving animal. That 3 inches your off becomes 6-10+ inches off if that animal moves.


billyg42069

Thats a really good point


DcavePoster

As a fun example I was hunting this afternoon and two fawns and two does walked out in the field and my heart rate went to about 120 on my watch… and I normal sit around 62 resting and 80 walking around. And that was just for a couple freezer tags.


billyg42069

Yeah im the same way… didn’t even think of that factor


Alex_4209

Ask 10 hunters how far you should ethically shoot and you’ll get 10 answers for 10 different reasons. There is always someone who claims to always shoot 2” groups at 80 yards and kills a deer that far every year (they probably catch six foot long salmon and medaled in the Olympics too). For me personally, two factors matter: how far can you consistently shoot a 3-4” group, and how far before the arrow is in flight long enough for circumstances to change down range. I wouldn’t take a 70 yard shot even if I could shoot my 3” group there every time because that is a long time for a deer to move or react to the sound of the shot before the arrow arrives. After seven months of shooting and broadhead tuning I settled on 45 yards as my maximum distance for an ideal shot (broadside, fully relaxed deer, good light, no wind) and 35 yards for a typical shot, up to moderate wind and quartering in or away. I ended up getting a calm broadside shot at a blacktail buck at 36 yards two weeks back, shot a pass through and dropped him. Ultimately, it’s a personal decision to set limits for your skill level and confidence. You are responsible for what happens when you loose an arrow, and it’s better to pass on a sketchy shot than wound an animal you can’t recover.


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80 yards is 73.15 meters


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80 yards is the length of 576.0 'Bug Bite Thing Suction Tool - Poison Remover For Bug Bites's stacked on top of each other.


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80 yards is 73.15 meters


LittleFalcon

Echoing what a lot of people are saying I’d say 30 max. I generally shoot within 20 and closer. I might go to 40 as my shooting is fine from that range but it would have to be a MONSTER and it’d have to be an incredibly clear broadside shot for me to take the risk.


jdford85

30 yards, deer have to much time to react past 30


billyg42069

Ive heard this in the past as well


jdford85

I had a friend that shot 2 inch groups at 50 yards. Missed 2 deer and wounded 2 at 40 and 50 yards. His shot was where it was supposed to be but the deer wasn't anymore.


billyg42069

Interesting. I suppose theres just too much time and space for something to happen


jdford85

Fastest bow on the planet isn't faster then the speed of sound. Deer react super fast. Ive heard of people shooting deer much further then 30 and I know it happens. But ethically I think 30 is a good max. Spend a few nights searching for wounded deer and it makes you think about reasonable ranges.


billyg42069

That makes sense to me. Thats the worst feeling in the world and id rather be safe than sorry


neur0tical

This. I can shoot 2”@60yd. Took a very late season southern [email protected] this past season. It started dropping, but luckily managed to blowout the spine instead of just wounding. Crazy how fast whitetail reactions are, practically instantaneous. I bet it took my arrow less than half a second to hit. And that deer probably heard my kure a tenth of a second after releasing. I hear northern ones aren’t as bad of string jumpers.


mymomcallsmerandy

2” at 60yrds? Wow. How did you do at the US Open? You should have won if you can shoot like that.


pissdrunkasshole

Yup string jumping is real. Ive seem plenty deer on trailcams w scars that prove it. Not my work. Deer are tough


Whatthehelliot

Glad to see it this thread has a pretty solid consensus on 30. That’s the max where I’m comfortable as well. I know a lot of people are very capable but I was shocked when 6 out of the 7 guys at the range the other day were all shooting at 60 yards in preparation for deer hunting. Didn’t look like it was just for kicks either, they really seemed to be honed in on just 60. Now… They were all shooting REALLY well but it made me wonder if it was really a good idea for all of them to hunt at that length or if really just 1 or 2 of them is a actually capable of putting on a kill at 60. After the consensus here, I think that probably none of them should be doing it. As for your group. I think it’s sufficient at 30 but maybe not for 40 (if shooting at 40 is something you want to do.)


coachrx

I usually practice out to 40 but try to plan my hunts around 20 yard shots. Best piece of advice I ever got was to set yourself up for the shot you anticipate taking. Sure there is always a chance a random deer will show up, but if you have done your homework, at least in the southern swamp, you should have a good idea of exactly where deer will be coming from. I can't speak for out west. Almost seems like a different game altogether.


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60 yards is the length of about 50.34 'Ford F-150 Custom Fit Front FloorLiners' lined up next to each other.


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60 yards is 54.86 meters


billyg42069

Yeah ive always heard 30 as well but that was years ago, was wondering if the consensus had changed but apparently not!


Whatthehelliot

Like someone else said, I think it just has to do with deer reaction times. Bow speeds are amazing nowadays, but beyond a certain distance, the deer is still faster. Good luck out there this season!


billyg42069

You as well!


fishingtech10

Its about how much you shoot. My furthest kill was at 58 yrds slightly quartering away right behind the last rib up in the lungs.


bigballerman69

I could group about that at 40 but made a bad hit at broadside at 40 this year. I’d stay at 30 unless you have all the time in the world to range and calm down.


EatBigGetBig

Practice at double your hunting range. That is not a tight enough group for me.


billyg42069

I guess i should have stated that i wasnt trying to use this pic as saying “is this good enough to shoot in the field?” But i agree


T8RTheSalad

I've always been told an inch per 10 yards is solid grouping. 1" @ 10 yards, 2" @ 20 yards, etc


billyg42069

Ive never heard that but it makes sense!


platerac88

Thats too Far of a spread Tighten that 40yrd group up by shooting 60+ Regularly and focus on form and tune. Hunt your confidence range. 20+ years of bowhunting has tough me no broadhead combo can make up for poor shooting. I have 4 bow kills over 65yrds in the last 6 years because I regularly shoot 80-90yrds. Keep Working🏹


billyg42069

Thanks for the advice!


Chicken-Biscuit_5000

I practice at 80 regularly as well. Makes the 30 to 40 yard shots easy.


SeigNoks

If thats feild points but the rest of ur setup is the same, MAYBE 30. Wind, broadheads, nerves, not exact ranges, not being warmed up, grass/twings and many other things can easily double or 4x your groups when letting one fly at a deer. I hold groups about half that at 60 and thats my max range. That said, keep practicing and when the groups are tight, the confidence is high, and then you can set your limits higher


bobadefett

How are you liking that Black hole target? Have you tried shooting it with broadheads, or are you just hitting it with fieldpoints?


billyg42069

I used some broad-heads on it last year and it cuts it up pretty bad, so i tend to stick to field points with this one


vin17285

In general your range is really restricted by the time the arrow is in the air. Deer can hear you bow and react much faster than your arrow can get there. So that makes all of use stuck at about 35-40 yards max. 40 yards being a dead calm deer that has no idea you there. They can move quite a bit while your arrow is in flight. So a lot of times arrows may not hit where you were aiming and how far off your arrow lands is determined both by the error in your aim+how much the deer moved. I would say if you can put 10 arrows in a paper plate in a row at 40 you're probably good for 40 but keep in mind a lot can happen in that time.


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40 yards is the length of approximately 160.0 'Wooden Rice Paddle Versatile Serving Spoons' laid lengthwise.


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40 yards is 36.58 meters


billyg42069

Makes sense. Easy to forget that shooting at a real deer and a target create very different challenges


201nj

Cameron Hanes here: Shoot’em at 100 yards you pussy. KEEP HAMMERING


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100 yards is 91.44 meters


gunzintheair79

No, that's Josh Bomar, then get arrested on poaching charges while selling you a nose button


201nj

I have no idea what your talking about


gunzintheair79

Just Google Josh Bowmar


201nj

I still don’t know know what he has to do with my post.. but Keep Hammering


Oregonbred01

I shoot at a maximum of 70, but I shoot 50 arrows a day damn near every day. My group at 20 is basically the same as my group at 70.


bigballerman69

How is that possible if you don’t mind me asking?


Oregonbred01

Lots of practice, now granted I'm perfectly confident on an elk at that distance but they have a killzone twice the size of a deer. Deer I'll limit myself to 60.


Oregonbred01

oh i also practice at 100+ yards


bigballerman69

Just saw your last post. That’s a great grouping at 70 especially with adult arrows 😉


Oregonbred01

That's also worse than it is now.


shizukana_otoko

I try to make each shot as close as possible. Too many things can go wrong when an arrow is in the air. What starts as a perfect shot can be disastrous if the arrow hits a small limb you can’t see, the animal shifts or takes a step, a strong crosswind from out of nowhere. Shoot from where you are accurate. That group is not good enough.


billyg42069

I wasnt trying to say jump to 40 based on THIS grouping, this was like 9 shots in, i just was wondering if it was worth it to KEEP trying at that far or if it was better to stay around 30


Cantthinkofit4444

Last two elk I shot. One was at 56 the other was at 64


DaOozi9mm

Keep practising.


timotheus56

I've always tried to practice at twice the range I want to shoot at an animal. Right now 60 is were I'm comfortable at the range. So I'd shoot 30-35 yards at an animal.


billyg42069

Ive seen a few people comment that now. It makes sense but i never thought about practicing from that far would actually help, i just assumed youd want to focus on where you might be shooting in the field. Thank you!


timotheus56

For sure practice at the range you want to shoot. But by stretching your shots out to longer ranges it helps make closer shots feel easier. Also shooting at extreme distances will show any imperfections with your anchor point, grip and bow tune.


pissdrunkasshole

That isnt deer ready but also not horrible. Too many variables for a reddit tard like myself to comment. What does 30 look like and i assume bullet holes on paper?


billyg42069

Yes very dialed in at 30


Turbulent_Concert_69

I’m comfortable out to 70 and if conditions were excellent 90 with a compound bow with a blackgold adjustable sight with a qad drop away rest.


Worship_Strength

Cameron Hanes says "nothing over 40" and that guy can drill targets at 100+yards. For rifles it's an 8" paper plate at 100 yards so it's up to you.


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100 yards is 91.44 meters


Worship_Strength

Good bot.


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100 yards is 0.0% of the hot dog which holds the Guinness wold record for 'Longest Hot Dog'.


Worship_Strength

Good bot.


foamguy312

Nothing meaning deer AND Elk?


Worship_Strength

I believe so, yes. I know Rogan smoked an elk at 70~ yards, it's on video. Nothing past 40 yards seems right for Cams style of hunting.


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40 yards is the the same distance as 53.01 replica Bilbo from The Lord of the Rings' Sting Swords.


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40 yards is 36.58 meters


bad-judgement

I’d say 3-6 yards because my aim is absolute sh*t


roadkingrk04

I would say unless you can hit a quarter sized target at that range you should stick to what distance you can do that at. I used to be able to hit that small of a target at 40 but the longest shot I ever took was around 35 and I shouldn’t have taken that shot in all honesty. The deer was moving and I hit it slightly back from where I was aiming. Luckily, for me and the deer, I sliced a major artery at the back of his liver and and I watched him die from my stand. After the hit he hopped twice for a distance of about 15 yards and laid right down until he expired.


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15 yards is the length of 108.0 'Bug Bite Thing Suction Tool - Poison Remover For Bug Bites's stacked on top of each other.


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15 yards is 13.72 meters


Dean403

I'd say unless you can keep it within that inner black circle under range conditions then you shouldn't shoot at 40. Under hunting conditions you could be fatigued or it could be windy, the animal will move, there will be foliage in the way etc. I'm grouping about the same as you at the range (got my first bow this year), and there's no plan in my mind to shoot out to 40 yards. 30 yes, but my 30 yard groupings are like 4".


Espresso_Eskimo69

Number your arrows and keep shooting at the dot if you keep grouping 2 or 3 and always have a straggler don’t hunt with that arrow - you’ll drive yourself insane - I just bought six to experiment with a different spine real cheap ass arrows with shitty inserts and only 1 of the 6 shot true but it was like a laser compared to the others ... you will feel it when an arrow go directly to where the pin was when you hit the release just as you feel it when you know one sailed - sometimes it really is the tool and not the craftsman


BowMan820

I practice distance shooting out to 100yds which makes me comfortable taking a 40-50 yard shot. I live in California where that’s as close as you can get sometimes. So I say what ever you practice at divide it in half for a live target.


Larry4789

20-25 ideal 40 max range. My tree stand is 20 yards from the area I will shoot


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20 yards is the length of like 82.76 'Zulay Premium Quality Metal Lemon Squeezers' laid next to each other.


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20 yards is 18.29 meters


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20 yards is 18.29 meters


Disastrous-Wash7908

IMO if you want to have your range at 40, dont spend a lot of time shooting that distance. Shoot farther. When I go out to shoot, I start at 60 and work my way up from there. Ill never try to take an animal at that distance, but it sure makes 40 feel like 20


Bobbylayneblame

That’s a decent enough group with Walmart arrows, if I was consistently shooting that group and had an open forty yard broadside shot I would take it. Right conditions matter.


bigballerman69

Those are axis arrows lmao, most pro archers use them


Bobbylayneblame

They say blazer on them, I’m not shitting on Walmart arrows but I have some of those same ones for practice. I bought them at Walmart and they don’t group as well as the victory arrows I use when I hunt.


pmMeAllofIt

Blazer is just the brand of vanes. If that's what you mean. These are match grade arrows, not what we mean when we say "walmart arrows". These are 20$ an arrow through Walmart.


Chicken-Biscuit_5000

Blazer vanes are made by bohning, many arrow manufacturers use Blazer vanes. The Mossy Oak arrows at Walmart are made by Victory and are pretty good arrows.


billyg42069

Sorry what do you mean walmart arrows?


Bobbylayneblame

I have some of those arrows, I bought them at Walmart.


billyg42069

Oh 😂 i went to an archery shop and these were recommended to me by the guy there 😂😬


pmcmaster129

It ain’t the arrow, it’s the Indian.


Lcards943

I have those arrows too… Got them from an archery shop myself. Killed plenty of deer with them haha.


ogretronz

Depends if you’re hunting to survive or hunting for fun


Mrfootiepjz

Full send bud. You either get a trophy or learn a lesson. Can’t kill with arrows still on the string