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1st year bow hunting 0-2

1st year bow hunting 0-2

shizukana_otoko

Go back and search again. Take dogs if you know someone that has them.


P1harleyford

I hired a dog service


BedCool8344

My two cents…. Wait longer. When your are new to the game you want to get down and get your hand on them. When you do that you can jump them, they get a surge of adrenaline and are often gone forever. After you shoot set a timer on your phone for 90 min then go and work slowly drop by drop. If it’s at night and will be cold and you don’t live in an area with predators wait till morning. Meat will be fine.


P1harleyford

Yeah I live in South Carolina we don’t have cold and we’ve got tons of coyotes lol I’m sure the meat wouldn’t spoil in 90 min tho


carbidemepls

Gonna have to search a little harder that's decent blood


guaukdslkryxsodlnw

That is not decent blood. That is a slow drip from a walking deer. The pattern of the droplets is the work of gravity alone, and there's maybe a teaspoon there. Decent blood - high velocity blood - driven, spraying, high pressure blood: https://imgur.com/cc6bqgU


carbidemepls

I've found arrows can lead to internal bleeding more so than external trail especially if hit a little high. You'll get what I call slosh from when they turn. But that's just my experience with helping recover game. I don't bow hunt


LiteDW

I’ve found deer on way less blood. I’ve lost deer on more blood. But I would definitely expect to find that deer


guaukdslkryxsodlnw

I have too, but that looks like a nosebleed.


LiteDW

Definitely. Sounds like OP gave it hell looking for it. Sucks to not find em when you know they’re hit but it can sure happen


wiredog369

What happened? I see blood. Didn’t locate anything?


P1harleyford

The dog guy said something else as well that I didn’t know he said when bow hunting always give the deer at least two hours before tracking even if you think it was a good hit. I said it’s 70 degrees today wouldn’t the meat ruin if left for that long he said well the meats gonna ruin anyway if you bump him and then can’t find him


Rads4Life

Meat would not spoil in 2 hours in 70 degrees.


P1harleyford

The first buck was a bad shot I shouldn’t have taken it I hit him high rear. I understand that one it was my fault it had gut on the arrow but I got him on camera three days later. The one today was a perfect shot I don’t think it was high (the tracking dog guy said it was back meat) but he was gushing blood easiest track I’ve ever done until it just stopped 300 yards from where I hit him. I looked for 2 hours then called a dog we walked about 8 miles. Said the dang wasn’t hitting on him he didn’t think he was dead (something about a gland in his foot)


lil_sith

I’m no expert but that sounds like a liver hit


guaukdslkryxsodlnw

Every mystery hit on /r/bowhunting is single lung or liver. It sounds like a flesh wound, like the tracking dog guy said.


lil_sith

I simply presume liver due to the OPs description of how much of a gusher it was for a certain distance and then dried up.


P1harleyford

I hope he’s right as bad as I hate making a bad shot and hurting an animal for no reason I would hate more knowing he was wasted.


guaukdslkryxsodlnw

Does your practice involve shooting at 3D deer targets at unknown distances and different orientations? I'd put some time in doing that, and get a range finder if you don't have one.


P1harleyford

No 3D targets yet but I do have a good rangefinder bows sighted with it and that’s the first thing I do when I get in the tree I’d use it to get some reference points this deer was standing 25 yards away I used my 20 pin so it should have hit slightly low but idk it looked like a good hit but then again I’ve never made a good hit so who knows


useles-converter-bot

25 yards is 73.04 RTX 3090 graphics cards lined up.


Halfpipe_1

Can we ban these stupid bots? It literally says “useless” in its name, and that’s what it is…


P1harleyford

I wish I had it on film it all happens so quickly once the arrow flies but I felt like it hit right in the shoulder the arrow didn’t go through tho he ran off with it still sticking out his side then it broke off and both pieces were laying together somehow idk but both had blood on them


DAbuttsMan

How much of the arrow could you see sticking out?


P1harleyford

It looked like a good bit of arrow was out honestly I could see the arrow wobble as he was running until the lighted nock fell off I was surprised when I walked up and found both pieces laying together on the ground with blood all the way to the fletching


DAbuttsMan

What is a good bit? More than half of the arrow sticking out? Blood will spray from a cut, so it doesn't matter if it is on the fletching. Sounds like you definitely hit the shoulder. You should watch some YouTube videos on where to aim when bow hunting.


P1harleyford

I agree


turkeyyyyyy

Filming is hard. Missed a buck yesterday with the GoPro running and the deer wasn’t even close to being in the frame.


useles-converter-bot

300 yards is the the same distance as 397.57 replica Bilbo from The Lord of the Rings' Sting Swords.


converter-bot

300 yards is 274.32 meters


converter-bot

300 yards is 274.32 meters


P1harleyford

The dog guy said there’s a gland in a Deere’s foot that secretes when a deer is mortally wounded and that’s what a dog tracks not necessarily blood about 10 minutes after starting tracking he said I’m not gonna give up yet but I don’t think this deers dead because the dog wasn’t staying on his track. He said the dog had tracked over 200 deer. We ended up walking the entire property and the neighbors property hoping the dog would pick up on him but nothing I think at this point only way I could do anything more would be to see if the buzzards come


guaukdslkryxsodlnw

That blood trail does not indicate anything other than that you hit the deer somewhere. It's not anywhere close to being what a for sure dead deer leaves behind. [The deer that left this is for sure dead](https://imgur.com/cc6bqgU). Seems like every time this sub looks at a blood trail from a mystery hit, it's the same refrain: "Good blood. It's definitely dead out there somewhere" "Looks like liver" "Single lung" "You should have waited longer" It's getting bizarre. Usually what's indicated in these cases, like yours, is a non-lethal flesh wound. Your tracking work was fine. You didn't find this deer because you didn't kill it. Your shooting, and maybe gear selection, could use some work. You're either not aiming where you should or you're not putting arrows where you want to. Shooting at a 3D deer target at unknown distances and different orientations will show you what you're doing wrong. At 0 and 2, I would go make that happen. Join a club or something. Get yourself a copy of John Jeanneney's *Dead On! Deer Anatomy and Shot Placement for Bow and Gun Hunters - Tracking Techniques for Wounded Whitetails*. He might have been the single best authority on the subject of blood tracking, and this short inexpensive book on shot placement and blood tracking should be in every bowhunter's library. What are you shooting for poundage and what kind of broadhead are you using?


P1harleyford

70 lb Mathews v3 I don’t know the arrow grains they built them at the shop but it’s a 250 spine arrow rip tko with a 50 grain outsert and a 100 grain wasp dart Fixed blade I’m worried the broadhead may be my weak link here but I also think I am aiming to high I hit exactly where I was aiming I’ve always shot deer center mass strait up from leg with my rifle but last night I watched some stuff and the vitals are lower than that I bet I hit him in the spine and it deflected upwards


guaukdslkryxsodlnw

Your bow/arrow setup sounds fine. If you hit a deer in the spine with an arrow, it'll generally drop where it stands - you don't have to break bones or anything for this to happen - that punch to the spine will drop it. At that point you have to put more arrows in it fast. I've done it a couple of times. You're probably higher than you think and passing through above the spine. The spine sits lower in the deer that you might think. Horizontally, you want to be in line with the trailing edge of the far leg. On quartering away shots it's essentially that you remember trailing edge of the *far* leg. Vertically you want to be 1/3 up from the bottom.


P1harleyford

Yeah I’m aiming high thanks for the help


seanb7878

I 100% agree.


P1harleyford

I wish I had came to this subreddit after the first deer y’all have definitely helped me figure out where my problem was had I not came here I probably would have continued telling everyone it was a perfect shot since I honestly believed that it was. I have thoroughly enjoyed learning how to use the bow and I love deer hunting so I really want to learn all I can. Injuring deer is NOT what I want at all thank for all the info


MilsurpSmurp

That deer lived to see another day. Little drops like that are never good to see. My guess? You're aiming at the heart, but the trajectory of the shot is causing you to hit the brisket or shoulder muscle. Or you're aiming mid lung and it's jumping the string making you hit no mans land. Don't rely on those images showing you where to shoot. Those assume you're shooting on its level not above it. Bow hunting is hard. If he is jumping the string all you can do is aim lower to compensate. I aim just above the heart. If it jumps you get a solid lung hit if it doesn't you get a heart shot.


P1harleyford

I’ve gotta aim lower I’m aiming too him it’s crazy how different bow hunting is than gun hunting


Dumbfuckloser

It happens to the best of us. Keep your head up. Bow hunting is incredibly difficult. I missed one and wounded two before I got my first. Since then I've always had meat in my freezer. Any bow hunter who says they haven't missed or wounded a deer, has either never shot at one, only killed a handful, or is completely full of shit.


P1harleyford

Thanks yeah I will keep at it as long as I am learning what I’m doing wrong I just hope o get another opportunity to try again with what I know now


dintdonufin

Id agree its highly probable its muscle. Hit one last year in the shoulder arrow fell out of the deer. Waited till next morning tracked for over a mile. Blood just stopped. A little note that ive found to be mostly true is a "dead" deer wont go up hill. And what I mean is up a good hill not just a little slope. Hard to get away from that high shoulder shot if u rifle hunted your whole life took me awhile to figure out the bow game lost a few deer so I know how ya fill. Don't give up on the stick and string though. When u watch one fall from the stand its the absolute best feeling in the world.


GreasedMongoose

You could try a grid search, it will blow out the area but it can pay off if you think it was a lethal hit. Bow hunting is such an emotional rollercoaster sometimes. Good luck man!


Jlegg1001

That’s good blood from what I see just keep looking that deer has to be dead somewhere.


guaukdslkryxsodlnw

That looks like a teaspoon of low velocity blood. Drip drip drip. Here's good blood: https://i.imgur.com/cc6bqgU.jpg


Jlegg1001

That’s not good blood that’s a carpet


nine9drams

Now that’s what I call good blood! Droplets every few feet are certainly not good blood.


KazuRyan12

Your hunt is very close


P1harleyford

Very close to what I don’t understand sorry


KazuRyan12

Is it a deer you're hunting


P1harleyford

Yes whitetail


Turtle_man92

Hey what is your set up? I’m seeing the Nock On vanes, so I’m guessing you have followed the Dud’s advice and built some heavy arrows/mechanical heads? I ask because I run the same thing as far as arrows with a heavy draw. I’ve hit a shoulder before and it looks strikingly similar to your pics/description (amount of blood, broken arrow, no pass through). If this is the case, shoulder hits are tough man. Mine worked out and I recovered the deer just because I searched and searched for hours, even though there was hardly any blood. May have been luck. I guess what I’m getting at is shoulder hits suck, but don’t give up the search without doing everything you can because the chances of killing the deer are pretty likely even if the blood trail isn’t evident of that. If you don’t find the deer, shake it off, get back in front of your target, practice hard, regain your confidence and get back out there! Good luck! 🤘🏼


P1harleyford

Thanks my setup is a 70 lb Matthew’s v3 as far as arrows I didn’t get a lot of sat in the arrow build the guy at the shop is of the fast arrow camp not the heavy arrow camp I think it’s around 500 grains 250 spine rip tko shaft with a 50 grain outsert and a 100 grain wasp dart fixed blade broadhead. I cut off the three fletch blazers because they were hitting the cables. I went with Bosch on because he ships the jig already setup. I may try some heavier stuff next season but I don’t want to throw off my tune now in the middle of the season


Turtle_man92

Honestly man that arrow is plenty heavy. Probably a really good match for that bow. Honestly it sounds like the guy building your arrow knew what he was doing. Either way just get your stroke back and get back out there.


Canuckhunter

With an arrow that heavy, you should be blowing right through the deer. Shot placement is key. I always wait out for a perfect broadside or quartering away shot. In my rookie years in 1996 I wounded several buck and the biggest non typical of my life. After that, I learnt pretty quick from my mistakes. It was a speed craze back then and my local dealer set me up with too light of arrows. I just wasn't getting good penetration. Boy, how much I realize my dealer knew shit about bow hunting. Once I switch to heavy arrows and away from mechanicals, deer started dropping. I also realized how not to take a quartering to shot. I took a nice bull moose back in 2014 with a 60lbs Hoyt Vectrix with a 425gr arrow tipped with a Muzzy MX3. Perfect broadside shot at 32 yards. Blew through both lungs and stopped at the hide on the opposite. He went 80yds and layed down and died under min. Don't get discouraged, make sure you're well tuned in with your broadheads. You'll see success. Oh, go look again for that deer! He might not be far from where you stopped.


P1harleyford

The land owner is watching for birds for me I rode by on the way home and saw a deer dead on the side of the road someone had cut his head clean off I got out and checked his body for a arrow hole but he wasn’t mine


Canuckhunter

Uh! It's too late when the birds show up but at least if you could get his rack that would be good. Weird about someone cutting the deers head off? Hit by a car?? I spine shot a bear one time and he drug himself with his front legs into a swamp that was neck high with water. I sure as hell wasn't going in after him in the water. Birds found him 2 days later. I still no way get to him.


P1harleyford

I guess so (hit by car) I don’t see a wound still strange idk who would do that he must have been one of my big ones tho if someone went through all that trouble for his head


Daveponce-hunting

On a scale of 1-10 what is your level of excitement at the time of the shot


P1harleyford

The first one was 10 for sure but this last one was calmer I feel like it was almost in slo mo until the bow went off then I was shaking like a leaf but I’ve always done that after the shot no matter if I’m using a rifle shooting 200 yards


converter-bot

200 yards is 182.88 meters


Daveponce-hunting

Try coming up from the bottom of the deer instead of dropping down into the kill zone from its back…this will help with punching the release as soon as you see hair on the pin…. Also remind yourself to not drop your arm after the shot


P1harleyford

I’ve always heard that coming up from the bottom people even say it for guns I’ve never really shot anything like that tho like this deer I had my pins trained in a gap leading him and when he came out I only had minor adjustments to make and the arrow went exactly where I wanted it to go I just know now that I was aiming way to high center of the deer above the leg is not the sweet spot like I’ve always thought


-wild_bill-

Looks like a muscle hit, judging off the dark blood. Some things to remember; always aim lower than you think, especially from a stand, you’re seeing more of the upper part of the deer. Aim for the exit, and always take note of where the deer runs. I know the feeling, it sucks, but keep at it. You’ll eventually get the monkey off your back.


P1harleyford

I hope so I’ve been rifle hunting my whole life and the furthest I’ve ever tracked a deer is maybe 50 yards


converter-bot

50 yards is 45.72 meters


P1harleyford

I’m a little confused by this the dog tracker also said to aim low but for a different reason he said his dog can track a gut shot if I hit too low but a dog can’t find a backwack (his words) but it seems to me shooting from a tree stand downward angle (in my case very slightly I was only about 12 foot up) but let’s say it was more 20 foot up it seems if you aim low on a broadside shot it would just come out his belly the best you could hope for would be a single lung is that not right


-wild_bill-

You’d need to be at a very extreme angle for it to come out the underside of the deer. I generally hunt in the 18-25 ft range and I have shoot deer everywhere from 5-40 yards and that’s never happened to me.


P1harleyford

I completely understand what your saying now I just looked up a deer cutaway his spine is halfway down his side looking strait on if your looking downward at him you’ll see more of his back this makes so much sense thanks [deer cutaway](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.T8KhD-K-LKEOHdldpAiZpwHaER%26pid%3DApi&f=1)


dmo52884

Got to hit the boiler room! I remember my first year I had this problem with hitting the shoulder a few times and not setting up behind it enough. I have corrected since then. How far did you have blood?


P1harleyford

Boiler room? Gushing blood for about 100 yards then splatters for another 100 then drops until 300


dmo52884

Boiler room = heart and lungs. How long did you wait to go look? If I don’t hear the deer crash after minute or two after shot I wait at least a hour to go look. Has helped me a lot. My buddy shot a doe last night with bow his first deer with bow. He said he felt shot was to forward toward shoulder. He had crazy blood. But he said he watched deer walk away. He immediately went to loook for her. And just get pushing her into woods.


P1harleyford

I only waited thirty min this deer ran when I hit him but I though he started walking about the time he got out of sight I don’t know if I bumped him tho I may have but he didn’t stop and bed before the blood trail stopped about 300 yards


useles-converter-bot

300 yards is 134.53% of the hot dog which holds the Guinness wold record for 'Longest Hot Dog'.


converter-bot

300 yards is 274.32 meters


converter-bot

300 yards is 274.32 meters


goblueM

Just FYI the pictures you uploaded are definitely not gushing blood, but rather a slow drip It's very likely you hit high and muscle, and that either the shoulder or the spine stopped the arrow from penetrating


P1harleyford

Yeah I know those weren’t the best blood pics tho those just close to where I was standing when o was texting to dog guy


useles-converter-bot

100 yards is the length of about 83.9 'Ford F-150 Custom Fit Front FloorLiners' lined up next to each other.


Moss_Piglet_

Bro 0-2? Looks like you hit him pretty good. How long did you wait before you left to start looking? Doesn’t look pink enough to be lung shot so you should be waiting like 2 hours before you even move at all. Don’t want to spook him and make him run farther.


P1harleyford

Only waited thirty minutes it looked like a good shot and when I saw all the blood I figured he wouldn’t get far but I figured wrong


stover05

Did you get a clean pass through? Like others said that looks like good blood. Also, weird that the dog was acting like that. It should definitely followed the blood


P1harleyford

I’m not sure about the dog I’m having to trust the handler here since I’ve never had to use a deer dog before but no it wasn’t a clean pass through it stuck in the deers side and while he was still in my sight the nock broke off and fell to the ground I was surprised to find both halves of the arrow laying in the same spot with blood on both parts since the fletching didn’t go through


dintdonufin

Well the biggest question is did the dog find the deer or did ya have to give up?


P1harleyford

I looked for three hours before the dog with the dog looked for another 4. 8 miles walked total uphill both ways and nothing


dintdonufin

That is a bummer. I hate to hear someone loosing a deer that's new to bow hunting. But like we all said it happens. Don't get down and give up I promise when u connect u won't wanna pick that rifle back up.


P1harleyford

I hope with the new information I’ve gotten from here I can make it happen I’m exited to get another opportunity


nickge435

Hey a fellow victory VF tko shooter, how are the aae vanes doing for you? Thinking about trying a 90 degree four fletch with them


P1harleyford

I had to when the shop setup my v3 the three fletch would hit the cables I couldn’t group for shit. They fly so much better now and super quiet


nickge435

Ok, thanks for the input I’m running a Hoyt atm but I’m saving for a Mathews either V3 31 or VXR 31.5 so good to know that 3 fletch has clearance problems. Good luck in the field