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FantasticWolverine32

Sony had better not botch the China release for No Way Home and can still get it released there in January on the 14th.


123jazzhandz321

They should have released it on the 10th of December in China. Even if some stuff leaks out we already know a lot about the movie, it wouldn’t have made a significant difference in the rest of the worlds gross.


[deleted]

I thought paw patrol took that date


FantasticWolverine32

You make a good point. On the other hand if they decide to hold off on letting China see it until January, it would show they’re not willing to bow down to an authoritarian-like country in China.


thelonioustheshakur

Why should anyone care if Sony Pictures is bowing down to an authoritarian-like country? They're just a film studio lol


Cactusfan86

It’s moreso at some point you have to say no. Sony has carefully curated the marketing and release strategy for this. Why should they toss it all in the bin to meet China’s authoritarian whims? Their demands are just going to keep getting more and more ridiculous, you can’t say yes forever


thelonioustheshakur

And when they say no then they'll lose out on the hundreds of millions they can gain from that market. These companies will do everything possible to ensure the BEST CHANCE of financial success. And since there's a *chance* that Daddy China'll give them a release date for one of their films in the future, bowing down to them is far more preferable than losing out on cold hard cash by standing firm. I don't agree with what China is doing, I think that the way they've been acting lately is completely asinine. But Sony and all these other studios see the financial potential of the Chinese market and will do anything to have even a CHANCE at getting their product over there.


Cactusfan86

You say that but at the same time both Disney and Sony have refused sure thing early release dates to take potential later ones. Didn’t work out for Disney, to be determined for Sony. So that doesn’t exactly ring true with your ‘do anything’ argument does it? Like I said even multi billion dollar cooperations have their breaking point


[deleted]

Is that a sign of a breaking point?


Cactusfan86

Who knows, but it appears at the very least the studios aren’t willing to upend their global release schedules to appease China at will


Jealous-Protection27

Gotta love how you are getting thumbed down just cause you don’t have the same attitude as everyone else about corporations lol


thelonioustheshakur

>You say that but at the same time both Disney and Sony have refused sure thing early release dates to take potential later ones. Didn’t work out for Disney, to be determined for Sony. So that doesn’t exactly ring true with your ‘do anything’ argument does it? Will Disney see the financial shortcomings caused by their own refusals of good release dates (such as a release for Black Widow in China in advance of the July rollout) as poor decision making on their own part or as a sign that they should stand more firm against China? Because this is Disney. They are not a logically thinking person, they are a multi-billion dollar corporation. And my "do anything" argument is partially derived from the fact that American studios have, in recent times, done stupid shit in their movies like set a third of it in China for no reason (Transformers 4) or pander by removing scenes of gay kissing or editing black folks to remove/minimize them from posters. No clear "breaking point" has been reached since no party besides China has shown any particular aggression (and even then China's aggression is mostly unwarranted). you're conflating something that you believe will happen with the current reality of things.


Cactusfan86

I wouldn’t say the current affairs ARE the breaking point, just pointing out there is one out there. The fact these companies are willing to reject release dates they feel are unreasonable shows they won’t just blank check do anything to appease China. In terms of what will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back who knows, but I personally feel it’s a when not if


Ty3009

But studios don’t usually take home hundreds of millions from China. The percentage of profit is pretty small to give the Chinese government an outsized influence on the content of the film. That’s what studios will have to decide.


aduong

The percentage is small but the sheer numbers are still bigger than any other markets besides the US. A $100M in China is a okay performance for a US film but it’s an historical one for every other major market. $100M will mean the studio takes on around $25M back home which is usually much bigger than other other markets


HobbieK

This is very true


lijjili

Did you even read the article? > If Hardy’s past words really have led to a quiet ban on “Venom 2,” it would represent a financial disappointment for Sony Like are you saying Sony should make movies that they could lose money on and don’t have a right to make a profit? Sounds like you’re proposing communism


thelonioustheshakur

>Like are you saying Sony should make movies that they could lose money on Sony Pictures has done nothing but make movies that they could lose money on since the day they were founded. Every film has the potential to lose money. >...and don’t have a right to make a profit? Sounds like you’re proposing communism Uh... what???


nicolasb51942003

Considering China already banned the film, yes.


JediJones77

> it’s surprising that more noise hasn’t emerged over Hardy’s comments, which remain online on Vulture’s website. LOL, and this reporter seems intent on creating the "noise" around Hardy's years-old jokes. She also insists this is 'worse' than Chloe Zhao calling China a place of lies or whatever it was. These are silly jokes by Hardy, while Zhao's was a serious political criticism. So, from China's perspective, I would think Zhao's comments would be taken as much more offensive than this. This is written from the perspective of an American liberal journalist, who sees non-PC words and jokes as grave moral offenses, and seems to have little concept of how seriously direct criticism of China's political elites would be taken there.


Curious_Sentence7155

Agreed. Also it doesn't make sense that those statements were what banned venom in china, the first movie released in china long after that interview and there were no issues then. They got banned probably because of the implied homosexual relationship between Eddie and Venom.


JediJones77

It's possible, but I don't really see that implied in the movie. I think that interpretation is a bit of a stretch, and something Westerners love to write about. And the filmmakers are all too happy to egg them on to do. But to say there's any kind of "sexual" component to their relationship is a little silly. Not sure if China would read that into it. I think what some people said is, it's not absolutely banned yet, and could come out in January. And that the banning of more American movies has more to do with China wanting to build up their domestic movie box office, especially this year. Venom 1 was such a hit there, it would be a serious competitor to domestic films.


NRiyo3

Why do we care? It is art and entertainment for us. Does China try to make their stuff make us happy??


Eren01Jaeger

I hope they ban No Way Home just to see the meltdown, it will be funny.


FantasticWolverine32

They won’t. It’s already approved for release there and is likely to come out January 14th, reportedly. That meltdown you hope to see happen WILL NOT happen.


Jealous-Protection27

“Approved for release” so was venom 2…….


FantasticWolverine32

Which had its star making anti-China sentiments and had a gay couple in Eddie and Venom, which none of the cast of No Way Home nor the movie has.


samueljbernal

Now they discover that Ned actor said something antichinese 9 years ago on Twitter and cancel the movie


FantasticWolverine32

They won’t find anything like that, at least I hope.


samueljbernal

It was a joke...


Jealous-Protection27

They will find a dumbass reason….cause China


FantasticWolverine32

I don’t think they will this time.


Jealous-Protection27

Oh? And what is your exact reason?…..iTs sPIdErmAn??


FantasticWolverine32

Yes


Jealous-Protection27

😂 😂 😂


lactoseAARON

China should just ban Marvel


warblade7

They basically have.


CowRepresentative779

Maybe Disney should stop releasing in China


Magnificent-Anon9577

But Venom is Sony film


CowRepresentative779

You’re correct, I forgot Disney doesn’t own everything


[deleted]

They have a theme park in China.


CowRepresentative779

Ok


lijjili

Or maybe they’ll stop making movies if they can’t expect to make money on them. But better yet, not hire actors that are racist. People would be calling for boycotts if the guy said things about blacks or gays in a similar tone.


CowRepresentative779

They make plenty of money without China and I don’t recall him saying anything racist


MasterChief49

China hey that country is a wash with copies of copies of copies ,screw them


MoonShadowArt

Maybe just make the movies the producers and directors want, and quit worrying about what China thinks is acceptable. Or better yet, China quit the massive censorship!


[deleted]

Is Tom Hardy retarded (probably) and not actually know that Mandarin is the main language of China and not Cantonese? Or is he making some bizarre political statement.


Listan83

Always gotta worry about west Taiwan


Nailbender72

Uh oh… some ting wong…


REQ52767

There’s still time to delete this


[deleted]

yikes


Nailbender72

Ahh so you’re one of those people who’s all for China being able to dictate how an American industry makes films then? Are you a communist apologist? American companies should be able to make movies as they see fit without fear that a communist government will bitch and moan that it hurts their feelings. But hey, if you wanna live in such a sanitized world were life is dictated by those that manipulate freedom of expression have at it.


[deleted]

Na, I'm just not racist >American companies should be able to make movies as they see fit without fear that a communist government will bitch and moan that it hurts their feelings. They have the freedom to do so


Nailbender72

That’s the issue, they don’t. It’s quite obvious that China calls the shots. They’re the ones with the money. When American studios clearly make movies to please the Chinese box office, and not offend communist ideals, the jig is up. And any Hollywood celebrity that says anything remotely negative about China is reprimanded.


Tuvok-

yeah some ting is wong...with your racist bung hole after getting bbc without lube


Nailbender72

Awe… poor snowflake


Jealous-Protection27

Love how your comment was totally racist but you are making this out to be something else…..


Nailbender72

I have no problem owning my comment at all snowflake. Grow up.


Jealous-Protection27

Calling out a racist cunt is a snowflake….what a time to be alive lol


aeaaaeae

Fuck china


JC2535

Why open yourself up to China to fuck with you? It’s not really worth the compromises anymore.


LordCapAlot

Can someone please explain what is meant by ‘China trouble’. Thank you very much