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REQ52767

It's Endgame all over again. I wasn't expecting this level of secrecy from Marvel again for at least 7-8 years.


Guardax

tbf this is basically Endgame for Sony who are calling the shots


AGOTFAN

Marvel co-produced, and Disney co-financed. I'm sure Marvel and Disney have a say.


ChristopherDassx_16

But this is the marketing side of it and Sony is the one handling marketing


SpaceCaboose

True, but I hope that Sony at least asked Marvel for their opinion on certain aspects of the marketing. They each have their specific things that they’re handling, but they’re still working together overall


Dwayne30RockJohnson

I think it’s obvious that they’re at least following Marvel/Disney’s previous successes here with keeping secrecy in the marketing at a maximum. I think it’s the best way to do marketing. They already have the hook of the previous villains, and if they deliver on the old Spider-Men like everyone assumes, then it’ll be the perfect marketing strat.


Groundbreaking-Ice50

Marvel produced it, Sony gave 75%, while disney at 25% in terms of expenditure


JediJones77

It's not an "Endgame" when they're planning to do another Spider-Brat trilogy after this. Hopefully that's a misdirect and they kill Holland off, and replace him with Maguire.


geckomoria8

Holland isnt going anywhere and maguire is 50 lmao.


AndIoop3789

Are u for real ...if u were an executive they would throw u out the window..tom holland is very popular with the younger generation that is growing up along side him ...imagine saying this about Tobeys spiderman before his third film ...


JediJones77

Tobey's more popular. He CONSISTENTLY wins all polls as to who the best Spider-Man is. And the desire to see him return is what's driving the ticket sales of No Way Home. The most brilliant move Sony could do is end the Holland series and pick things up with Spider-Man 4...starring Tobey.


AndIoop3789

Yeah cause spider twitter is so fair ... everyone there is biased...


Heisenburgo

>The most brilliant move Sony could do is end the Holland series and pick things up with Spider-Man 4...starring Tobey. It's called the multiverse for a reason. You DO know they could make *both* a new Spider-Twink trilogy with Holland AND Spider-Man 4 with Tobey at the same time, right? And knowing Sony it's hella likely they'll do it for real, no need to kill off one of their moat popular young actors for no reason lol


JediJones77

They killed off the incredibly popular RDJ. This is supposed to be the "Endgame" version of Spider-Man, at least, people seem to be describing it that way. So why not follow suit with a similar ending? Look at how much Endgame grossed with that plan. Remember in Ultimate Spider-Man comics, when they killed Peter Parker and replaced him with Miles Morales. I am not stating an unprecedented idea.


Sponge_Bond

Amy Pascal said in an interview the other day they are gearing up to do the next trilogy with Tom now. >This is not the last movie that we are going to make with Marvel — [this is not] the last Spider-Man movie,” she told movie ticketing site Fandango on Monday. “We are getting ready to make the next Spider-Man movie with Tom Holland and Marvel, it just isn’t part of… we’re thinking of this as three films, and now we’re going to go onto the next three. This is not the last of our MCU movies.” Source: [Variety](https://variety.com/2021/film/news/tom-holland-spider-man-trilogy-no-way-home-amy-pascal-1235121188/)


JediJones77

Very similar to what the Bond producers were saying about Daniel Craig up until NTTD's release. In fact, she's rather vague there. Making the movie "with Tom Holland" could mean he'll just be producing. I know it's just my wish that Tobey takes over the universe, but they very well could kill off Tom's Peter and replace him with Miles Morales. That's a direct adaptation from the Ultimate comic books. In fact, the way the trailer suggests that Peter's actions and feelings are tearing apart the universe, he may be put in the position of needing to sacrifice himself to save the universe.


Sponge_Bond

Difference is Tom is 25 and not 50. Venom is also now in the MCU literally on a collision course with Tom. Tom Holland also has another Marvel movie in his contract left. He's not going anywhere.


PainStorm14

>who the best Spider-Man is Oh yeah, I remember his legendary dance scene, totally best 😁


geckomoria8

Funny cauze Holland is yhe one consistently winning at polls since 2017 boy. I have seen at leaat 5 different polls eith 10000+ votes that Holland has won. Holland is the most popular spiderman.


AndIoop3789

Tom Holland has 50 freaking million insta followers...


JediJones77

Most people actively starring in widely seen movies have a lot of followers.


AndIoop3789

So they are popular? Is that what you're saying?? Lmaoo


Sauce25

This guy’s boner for Spider-Tobey was bizarre to read through lol you are a patient person.


Dwayne30RockJohnson

The guy you’re arguing with is 50 years old and is a total “get off my lawn” grandpa about everything. I wouldn’t waste your time.


Jaded-Ad-9287

Not popular enough to move tickets and have a box office hit besides for Spider-Man.


Sauce25

He’s 25 lmaoooooo


SirFireHydrant

I honestly can't think of a single non Spider-Man film Tobey has ever done.


SirFireHydrant

Tell me you live in a millenial white boy circlejerk without telling me you live in a millenial white boy circlejerk. Pretty much the only people who say Tobey is the best Spider-Man are the people who were kids when those movies came out. Everyone teenager/adult in the early 2000's doesn't care that much, and anyone too young to have seen them doesn't care. It's a narrow generational window that happens to be very vocal.


JediJones77

Assuming you know my race sounds pretty racist to me. Should I be saying that I just know some rando I'm talking to must be black because of something he said?


Dragonknight247

That first sentence proves you're white more than anything else said.


KirkLangstromBatman

You play MTG, religiously follow Spider-Man news, and frequent Star Wars and Ghostbusters subs. You're white dude, don't play a race card.


JediJones77

Regardless, I'll stick to talking to people who don't try to reduce other people to their skin color or other superficial factors as a means of dismissing their opinion.


KirkLangstromBatman

No, the billion dollars FFH made says otherwise. Holland isn't even my favorite Spider-Man but come on they're not going to dump one of the hottest newcomers in Hollywood for a C-Lister from 20 years ago. I can't even see them dumping him for Garfield, and at least he's MASSIVELY in demand right now.


chanma50

>Hopefully that's a misdirect and they kill Holland off, and replace him with Maguire. I will bet you literally any amount of money that this will not happen.


PainStorm14

Dude, it's been 20 years That 2 decades AKA 1/5 of a century


ManajaTwa18

Shut the fuck up.


perdthenerd

Talk about being delusional....


dude19832

Spider-Brat? 🤣😂😅


blackkilla

But a Endgame we didnt expect


TheRunawayDinosaur

Yeah, and the thing that sucks is this is one of the worst kept secrets ever.


comineeyeaha

Think about someone who doesn't pay close attention to leaks and rumors, though. I'm 100% certain my mom has no idea who's going to be in the movie, for instance. There is still a large portion of the population who has no idea, and is going to lose their minds.


peterw16

My question is: if you don’t know, do you care? I have talked to some people who don’t know, but I don’t get the sense that they would care very much if they knew.


comineeyeaha

There are a lot of people who really enjoy comic book movies, but just don't spend much time on the internet following related content. One of my brothers is a huge fan of spider-man. We both grew up watching the animated series in the 90s, and we've been following the movies ever since. He is specifically avoiding all trailers, leaks, rumors, posters... all of it. I asked him recently if he has any idea what is going to happen, and he doesn't have a clue. It's entirely possible to be a fan of these movies, and either happen not to see any leaks or specifically choose not to engage.


KirkLangstromBatman

I know this is anecdotal, but my mother, who literally didn't know who half the villains in the movie were, knew they were bringing Tobey and Andrew back. I feel like it's a pretty open secret at this point.


comineeyeaha

Here’s another anecdote. My kids’ stepdad is a fan of the MCU, but doesn’t spend hardly any time on the internet at all. He instead focuses his energy on career, family, and personal development. Super great dude who has well defined priorities. He went and got a haircut this week, and his barber asked if he was excited for Spider-Man. He had no idea there was a new one coming out, because he and my ex had a baby this year and he’s been extra preoccupied. The barber proceeded to dump basically every leak and rumor on him, to the point where he now thinks they must have been confirmed and shown in the trailer. In the span of 20 minutes he went from not knowing the movie existed to having the big secret revealed to him. I’m so upset it was ruined for him. I know he’s the kind of guy who would have loved for this to be a complete surprise while watching the movie.


micaelacowper

to be fair, covid really threw a wrench in everything so i think the idea is that this big hit will drum up excitement for people to go back to movie theaters


JitterySuperCoffee

Also the start of the multiverse storyline so if there are some big reveals it would make sense to sensor it to some degree.


tacoman333

That's really strange if true. I'd rather they'd just bite the bullet and let the critics actually review the movie, but Sony and Marvel seem dedicated not to spoil the worst kept secret in the history of film.


[deleted]

I wonder what the box office would be if sony/marvel decided to go the flash 2022 route with them being announced and promoted co-stars.


BillyGood22

I think hiding them has made this feel like a bigger deal than it is and has boosted hype for it. The debate of whether it was true or not kept it in conversation for more than a year on social media platforms. The Flash needs people to know Michael Keaton’s Batman is in it. He’s gonna be the hook for more people than Ezra’s Flash I think.


[deleted]

For keatons batman it seems like the better choice to show him since the marketing is targeting an older age range so i agree there


AGOTFAN

Yeah, and Ezra definitely needs all the help he can get to make the movie successful.


[deleted]

Doubt ezra helps or hurts the movie, Like 99% of CBM actors


AGOTFAN

I mean, the fact is Keaton was already confirmed before even the teaser drop. Lol. Meanwhile, Sony and Marvel have not said anything about Tobey and Andrew, when the movie opens in 2 weeks.


[deleted]

Yeah they didn't try to hide it, Seems like sony/marvel are taking extra measures to do so which makes sense


JediJones77

Ezra's a great Flash. And how would anyone have a clue Keaton was in this movie if they didn't promote it? Spider-Brat 3: CGI Boogaloo has the pre-MCU Spidey villains in it, so it's clear that the old Spideys might show up.


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

I do like how not only is Ezra Miller aware of Grant Gustin playing the TV version of the Flash, I've seen him very complimentary of Grant in interviews. That crossover event in Crisis was great and the implication Film Flash gets the idea for the name from TV Flash was a nice touch. Further appreciate if true that it was an idea from the executives too to include it.


SirFireHydrant

>Ezra's a great Flash He's a squeaky annoying power-dork, and Ezra himself is a piece of shit human being. Fuck him.


KirkLangstromBatman

Wait what did Ezra do that was bad? I haven't followed the actor at all and just know him as the kid from Perks of a Wallflower


iathrowaway23

Ezra Miller choked and beat a fan last year and it's swept under the rug. Fuck him and his supporters.


trobbey

Man had to look to hard to find this. Very much agreed fuck Ezra


AGOTFAN

Thankfully Marvel and Sony are not desperate enough to go that route.


[deleted]

Not really desperation as targeting different groups no? like TFA and han solo


ozydanmias

This is so weird. The flash is an already established superhero with a fanbase. He's just as popular as aquaman and wonder woman. Sure keaton will help but you're acting like the flash is an unknown character


NaRaGaMo

Duh, they put iron man in spiderman homecoming, so that people will be hooked that's desperation right there. They were so desperate they put a fcking arc reactor on electro Eternals trailers had footage of fcking endgame and other mcu movies even though there was nothing about them in movie that is desperation


Ghidoran

> Duh, they put iron man in spiderman homecoming, Yes because Tony is an integral part of MCU Spider-man, that was clear from the beginning. But nah that can't be it, I'm sure it's because they were expecting a flop and were desperate. It's not like Spider-man or Marvel movies are known for box office success. > They were so desperate they put a fcking arc reactor on electro Yes, *that's* the detail that's gonna get people to go see the movie. Not the presence of Dr. Strange, the return of classic villains, or the rumors of Tobey and Andrew returning. Its gonna be the fact that Electro has an arc reactor, a detail that only 0.5% of people who saw the trailer will notice or care about. > Eternals trailers had footage of fcking endgame and other mcu movies even though there was nothing about them in movie that is desperation Yeah it's almost like it's a shared universe and they reference things from other films! What a crazy concept! At this point I'm not even convinced you know what the were 'desperate' means.


JediJones77

No, Sony desperately tried to pump up their Spider-Man franchise with MCU cameos, ruining Spider-Man's origin and status as a solo hero in the process. They also idiotically sold off the right to use Spider-Man in their own Spider-Verse movies. And they still couldn't sell more tickets domestically than any of the 3 Tobey Spidey films.


Umeshpunk

>And they still couldn't sell more tickets domestically than any of the 3 Tobey Spidey films. Source please.


JediJones77

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross_adjusted/?adjust_gross_to=2019


AGOTFAN

>Duh, they put iron man in spiderman homecoming, so that people will be hooked that's desperation right there. And it grossed $880 million >They were so desperate they put a fcking arc reactor on electro And it's breaking all sorts of presales record...in a pandemic to boot Not that desperate I reckon. Imagine The Flash not showing Keaton etc so early, even before the trailer drops. WB/DC is so desperate to show they too have a multiverse.


[deleted]

How does that make them desperate if marvel did the same? Does it working make it less desperate?


JediJones77

$880 million which was over $300 million less than Iron Man 3. They should've just done an Iron Man 4. More people would've paid to see Spider-Brat edited out so it could just be an Iron Man movie. Batman v Superman made $873 million and out-grossed Homecoming in home video sales by $12 million. I was told that was a failure, but the same gross is somehow a smash hit for Spider-Brat.


Umeshpunk

>$880 million which was over $300 million less than Iron Man 3. A trilogy ender versus a franchise starter. Let's actually compare NWH to iron man 3 >Batman v Superman made $873 million and out-grossed Homecoming in home video sales by $12 million. I was told that was a failure, but the same gross is somehow a smash hit for Spider-Brat. First time meeting between 2 of the 3 biggest comic characters (I consider Spidey, bat, sup in top 3) versus a franchise starter coming off a disappointing box office iteration of Spider-Man (Andrew Garfield). Context matters you know. We are seeing this Spidey complete his trilogy, be in 3 massive avengers movies with another trilogy on the way. Where is batfleck movie, Cavill sequel? I know studio is to blame along with Snyder, but that's the reality. We are getting reboots of both characters again.


BillyGood22

This whole chain of comments is one of the most losery arguments I’ve ever read on Reddit to date. Hiding two Spider-Men in a Spider-Man movie you can already market Spider-Man in is not the same as showing off you have Iron Man or Batman in your movie. Michael Keaton was on the set of The Flash for nearly 3.5 months. They did on location shoots with him the public could easily walk up to and take pics of him. He’s the main co-star in The Flash because they’re doing a loose adaptation of Flashpoint. Any smart marketer is showing off the movie has Batman. Come on now. Spider-Man: Homecoming was a reboot of Spider-Man after three mediocre/bad Spider-Man movies within ten years before it. You absolutely show off Iron Man is in that movie. Nothing desperate about it.


JediJones77

BVS was a franchise starter for Batman, just as Homecoming was for Spider-Man. And Spider-Man also had a big preview of the character in Civil War. At that time, RDJ's Iron Man was a bigger movie superhero character than Cavill's Superman. Being a "big" comic character isn't such an advantage when each one has had over 5 movies before, and some were notorious flops.


Umeshpunk

>Being a "big" comic character isn't such an advantage when each one has had over 5 movies before, and some were notorious flops. I don't know if things go over your head sometimes. This is my point too, homecoming was coming after the failure of tasm movies and it needs time to regain footing.


JediJones77

Yes, all I said was both movies were in similar situations and had a similar gross.


Caciulacdlac

Or maybe there are other secrets that were successfully kept and they don't want to spoil them too. Or they haven't finished the editing.


chanma50

It's not for reviews, it's for the press junket. Press get to watch footage, then interview the cast. Actual film critics will get to watch the full movie and write reviews, just on the day of/shortly after the world premiere.


sjfiuauqadfj

maybe the secret isnt that andrew and tobey are in this movie but that god exists and marvel doesnt want the truth leaking out


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

You'd like that the fact we've seen Doc Ock be asked if this is his Peter and saying no means it must happen but then again stranger things have happened (and not happened). Though you'd think given the anticipation all this time once people thought it was coming, if it hadn't originally been planned to happen, you would have thought they'd have moved heaven and earth to make it happen as a result.


JediJones77

If God existed, he wouldn't have been so cruel as to put Akwafina in the MCU.


SirFireHydrant

Man you are really triggered by how much people liked Shang-Chi. Maybe don't be so sensitive of a snowflake.


Umeshpunk

Or let the Martha scene happen


LittleRudiger

Dude created the platypus, he might just have bad taste


Dwayne30RockJohnson

This is just for a press junket. The premiere will be just like any other premiere.


PainStorm14

/#ReleaseTheFullMovieCut


Corninmyteeth

They’ll release the rest as soon as they hit 3 billion in the box office.


PainStorm14

You joke but it's not out of realm of possibility 😁


JediJones77

They'll release the cut when you fix that damn door.


[deleted]

This is NOT for reviewers. Only junket press. Reviewers will get the full movie


reallyrileyfowler

(assuming this is true) Why are they even screening it if they aren't showing press/critics the full thing? Just for social media reactions to those first forty minutes? I genuinely don't understand why they're doing this by half.


chanma50

The report of press screenings on Friday was misleading. It's not for reviews, it's for the press junket. Press get to watch footage, then interview the cast. Actual film critics will get to watch the full movie and write reviews, just on the day of/shortly after the world premiere.


AGOTFAN

Press/critics will get full showing during premiere. Endgame didn't even have press screening before the premiere (one day before it opened). >Just for social media reactions to those first forty minutes? This probably it. They want media coverage, but don't want to spoil the whole movie yet until premiere.


dawiw

I think they did this in Infinity War too.


DatboiX

I get that they want to prevent spoilers or whatever, but at this point wouldn’t it just make more sense to screen the entire film for the press to generate more hype? 40 minutes is barely out of the 1st act.


Samhunt909

That’s not the reason. It’s for interview purposes


Dwayne30RockJohnson

The press will see it at the premiere like usual.


PoopieMcDougal

If this is true it kind of confirms the feeling I already about the trailer. Incoherent mash-up.


carson63000

Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that there are a lot of people nodding approvingly and saying "good stuff, prevents spoilers" - but who, if this were any other movie, would be absolutely *ripping* into the studio and taking it as proof positive that the movie was irredeemable shit?


Landon1195

Because this is just for interview purposes. Not reviews.


carson63000

Well obviously nobody is going to be reviewing it, either, if they're not able to see the film before it premieres? 99% of the time, this would be interpreted as "movie must suck". It just amuses me that when the movie is Reddit's biggest sacred cow, it's a very different interpretation.


nascentia

You’re misunderstanding. Reviewers WILL still see the full film for reviews before it premiere. This is just a restriction on the interview screenings, which aren’t the same thing as review screenings.


carson63000

But as other people stated, the review embargo lasts until premiere day, so my comment is unchanged. For any other movie, this would be seen as a massive red flag and evidence that the movie was almost certainly terrible.


nascentia

That's not correct either, though. The review embargo lifts the day before the premier and critics/reviewers will have access to it then, same as Endgame.


carson63000

Got a source for that? Not saying you’re wrong, but that’s a different date to what other people have claimed in this thread.


Landon1195

Endgame's review embargo was only a few days before the release. And press screenings for it also only showed around 20 minutes of it.


carson63000

When does the review embargo for No Way Home lift?


Landon1195

Probably a day after the premiere (which is on the 13th). Same as Endgame.


JediJones77

Isn't a "press screening" where the critics see it? Obviously they saw the whole movie.


AndIoop3789

That was miss reported


zafrew

Marvel has done it before with Infinity War, a well received movie...


Particular-Fly-3643

Totally agree. Especially after hearing how messy the production for this was and the critical reception for Eternals I feel like there won’t be as much patience for this from critics. The trailer looked pretty rough visually and effects wise (even that gif in the tweet is atrocious to look at), plus Sony has a history of being over bearing on the franchise and turning good core stories into bloated messes. I would not be surprised if they’re not super confident in this critically. But also this sub is SO marvel worship-y that everyone will definitely spin this in the most positive light possible


Landon1195

I think if Sony wasn't confident in this movie they would have shown stuff like Tobey and Andrew to try to get a higher opening.


Particular-Fly-3643

Nah they’re gonna be marketing the other Spidey’s in the tv spots the week after release, like with Professor Hulk and the End Game battle. They know the villains are enough to market with for now and word of mouth is already out that the others are set to return, the pre sales definitely show marketing did their job well. Though they showed major beats from the final fight in the trailer, which is not usually a great sign of confidence.


JediJones77

Expect one more trailer that shows three Spider-Men from the neck down with Tobey's voice saying, "Did you miss us?"


AndIoop3789

Expect to be disappointed that this won't happen


Umeshpunk

Like they desperately showed Superman in Shazam


JimJimmyJimJimJimJim

Superman is in Shazam?!


geckomoria8

What does eternals have to do with this? One rotten movie and suddenly marvep doesnt have the best track record in the business? Cause they do. You mfs have a goodfish memory and take into account only the latest movie. Karvel has a 13 year old track record....


Particular-Fly-3643

Eternals poor receptions shows critics are having less patience with MCU stuff these days (audiences too judging by the legs). The most recent output from them is more relevant than stuff from years prior, creatives can have ups and downs. Plus with the Covid production nightmares there’s other stuff to indicate this was not an easy film to make. Didn’t think I needed to spell all that out. I also said not to count out Feige’s talent for making movies with mass appeal. No need to come on so strong, especially if you’re not going to do the most basic of spell checking.


carson63000

I've been predicting a poor reception from the critics for quite a while. I think this could be a pretty epic critic/audience split. But we'll see. The MCU has earned a lot of trust with so many great movies.


Particular-Fly-3643

I’ve gotten a bit disillusioned with the series of late, so I don’t know how much of it is just me but the trailers have not looked good at all. My gut is definitely leaning critic/audience split, but I feel even more confident knowing others are feeling it too. It’s very weird to me they last trailer basically showed the whole movie from an action stand point, but just kept the Spidey’s secret. I feel like the hook of getting the folks from other universes in could feel incredibly forced and the story just doesn’t play well beyond seeing fan favorites return. But also, ya, don’t count out Feige and mass appeal.


kurlygoddess

I LOVED WandaVision and Shang Chi, but everything else was meh


geckomoria8

Then you must be really disappointed with dcs output.


kurlygoddess

No i loved ZSJL and TSS


geckomoria8

Oh, really? What sbout dcs track record overall vs marvrl. Do you want to have this discussion? What about the dc shows like flash, batwoman, titans, supergirl etc? Its only fair to include since you included marvel shows.


Sad-Distribution-779

The Dark Knight Triolgy. Batman 89 Batman returns. Superman the animated series Batman the animated series Justice League unlimited Batman beyond Joker 2019 Man Of Steel Wonder woman Shazam Aquaman Superman the movie Zack Snyder justice league The suicide Squad. I could go on and on dude. DC track record is fantastic they do have some of the worst movies in the genre sure but that doesn't erase the great ones.


uberduger

Yeah, the fact some of their stuff is divisive just proves they're normally trying something different. Their lows are lower than Marvel's, but for me their highs are higher. I prefer that as it's artistically interesting to me.


SuspiriaGoose

You’re not the only one. After hyping up Phase 4 I feel like I’ve been kicked repeatedly in the back. First WandaVision, which was almost brilliant before it fell apart into generic nothings, then FATWS, which was decent but could’ve been more, then Loki, which wasn’t even about Loki and ended up wasting a character that the films always made good use of, then Black Widow, which doubled down on so many MCU problems that they should have tried to address by now, and felt bland on top of it. I haven’t even bothered with SC or Hawkeye yet. I tried 2 episodes of What If - I heard the Strange one was the best but it was still kinda eh since I didn’t care about Christine, and I watched the murder mystery one, which was an insult to the phase one films it was supposedly trying to honour (oh look, Loki is way out of character and feels like a flat evil mcbaddie, and no one seems capable of grief despite all the death of characters they should feel deeply about. Other than Hank Pym of course, who’s told he should’ve been honoured his daughter died for the military industrial complex. Rah rah military, accept heroic sacrifice.) Needless to say. YIKES.


drstrangedontpullout

> What If - I heard the Strange one was the best but it was still kinda eh since I didn’t care about Christine The MCU is obsessed with making Stephen a Christine simp to an unhealthy degree. I don't know why. Linda Carter, the character MCU Christine Palmer is mostly based on, isn't even an important love interest in DS comics. It's as if Marvel Studios wants to erase Clea for some reason. As a huge Doctor Strange fan, both movies and comics, I think that episode was terrible. I don't get the praise at all. Also, What If's animation looks like something that'd get laughed out of Newgrounds. I'm sure we're being too kind to previous phases because of nostalgia, but this new phase for the MCU has been really underwhelming. The lack of talented scriptwriters is showing badly. The multiverse might be the last nail on the MCU's coffin, tbh, if not financially then creatively. It's like they're copy/pasting the worst of comicbooks onto the movies.


SuspiriaGoose

I feared this happening for awhile - the “becoming too much like comics” thing. I’m afraid they’ll forget how insular, frustrating, and ultimately, not a satisfying whole the comics are. There are good ideas, but as a whole it’s a mess and there’s a reason they’re struggling to survive despite the MCU being such a powerhouse.


stealthswor

> I feel like the hook of getting the folks from other universes in could feel incredibly forced and the story just doesn’t play well beyond seeing fan favorites return. Especially since that wasn't the original plot of the movie at all.


Particular-Fly-3643

Was it not? I remember Tom said they were basically at the start of the production still getting “some people” (Tobey) to sign on so that would make sense.


carson63000

I trust Feige. If I end up not liking the movie, I'll blame Sony. :-D


JediJones77

Blame Amy Pascal, who's not a Sony employee for 5 years but can't get her claws out of Spider-Man.


TheJohnny346

Her Wikipedia page says she’s been with Sony pictures since 1988


ChristopherDassx_16

She left Sony Pictures after the hack in 2014 or smtg but her production company is still contracted by Sony Pictures to handle all Spider-Man projects.


JediJones77

You were doing good until that last sentence. One thing the MCU does not do is deliver many great movies. They hit a pretty hard ceiling at "decent movie."


SuspiriaGoose

I think they’ve achieved great movies multiple times. The problem is they seem married to certain flaws and too often sacrifice a great movie to make a deeply compromised but profitable one that serves the universe.


JediJones77

I think only once did they make a great movie. Early ones have the character development without great action, and new ones have great action without character development. But Endgame was the only one that had it all.


little_jade_dragon

Iron man 1 was a great movie, everything else is decent at best.


SuspiriaGoose

Endgame had good character interaction, I don’t know about development. Thor’s was quite good. The Hulk’s was kinda skipped over. The rest was “get the band back together”, which worked. The final battle scene was so ugly, though - utter soup. Then again, comic books, while having strong drawing, have always looked awful in their spreads thanks to the clash of styles and general busyness. But did the final battle have to take place in such a sludgy colour palette, with bear incomprehensible action? I still think Endgame was very good, high quality Space Opera, held back by a few fan service moments that made no sense with the story and made me groan aloud. not sure I’d call it a great film, but it is a great time and it does more than the average popcorn movie and has genuinely dramatic and tender moments. Then again, A lot of their great films for me are some of their most flawed, so perhaps I could count Endgame among them.


007Kryptonian

Endgame’s final battle color palette looked far better than 90% of MCU movies. The grimy destruction of Avengers compound added to the atmosphere of the showdown imo.


little_jade_dragon

It looked like some PS4 skybox lmao.


JediJones77

Well, developing a character relationship is just as good as developing a single character. So we had Tony and his dad, and then Rogers developing himself based on his connection to Peggy. And then Widow making her ultimate decision. To send out three characters on such a perfect note is an amazing achievement. And deserves comparison to the best aspects of Return of the Jedi, in truly putting together a satisfying conclusion. Hulk doesn't get his own movies, so, if you have to blame a movie, blame Ragnarok for not progressing his character earlier than this. This was absolutely the right time to evolve Banner into Smart Hulk, which to me was always the most interesting version of the character from the comics. Sales went way up when they made him smart in the '90s. I don't think the battle was incomprehensible. The attacks on Thanos were pretty clear, as to what they were trying to do. And the use of time travel was phenomenally well conceived here. Endgame felt like a real comic book and a great piece of pop science-fiction filmmaking at the same time.


ThatNewTankSmell

Sony's history with this Spider-Man series is flawless. This film is going to be a mega-hit, and they're rightfully ignoring the critics on it, because it's a big, dumb, fun popcorn flick, and the critics add zero value.


NaRaGaMo

Well you could see the post history of those people and understand why they are saying that


kissofspiderwoman

It will be so funny if this gets bad reviews lol


PayneTrain181999

Honestly for this movie, no one is going to give a shit if it gets bad reviews, it’s still making a billion dollars.


kissofspiderwoman

Oh sure, I am more talking about the fanboys who have been frothing at the mouth for months and how they will go crazy trying to tell everyone how much critics suck but that they certainly don’t care! Lol


Valuable_Experience

>Has anyone else notice that WB never seems to change dates now when facing competition? That's what they said about BVS......and that had even more hype than NWH.


ManajaTwa18

That would really suck honestly lol. Although I wouldn’t count it out as a possibility considering this film’s rough production


kissofspiderwoman

Yeah, I mean, I am looking forward too it but boy, the hype is crazy with this one


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kissofspiderwoman

Huh, do you have any details about its production issues? I didn’t realize it had problems


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werofpm

I couldn’t care less, for movies I wanna see I don’t even pay mine to Press/Critic screening reviews, it’s so subjective that I’ve rarely agreed with their one track mind or biased “reviews” so what’s the point?


deprimada

So we can assume the other Spidermen will be in the latter half if they show up then.


NotTaken-username

Thank god, less of a chance to get spoiled. I’m assuming the multiverse stuff won’t be until later in the first act, so the 40 mins are probably mostly the identity stuff


nicolasb51942003

That’s good.


luismatheusbc

I fear this might be due to unfinished VFX. The production of this movie seems so messy


deprimada

Its so stuff doesn’t get spoiled in interviews. The MCU cast already has a track record of dropping massive spoilers they probably want insurance no one will slip up or be pressured into spoilers by interviewers by certain questions.


JediJones77

Shock ending...more Spider-Men come out of the multiverse than just Tobey and Andrew. Miles Morales is one. Tom Holland's Spider-Man dies at the end, and Miles is poised to pick up the mantle as the MCU's Spidey. Not a leak, just a theory.


deprimada

Miles has been technically set up but that would be such a bad way to introduce him lol


JediJones77

Not too different from how Holland was introed though. He was shown to exist already, and went right into action in Civil War. The most exciting way to introduce Miles is to have him burst into action in the big fight. Then his next movie could be a flashback to tell his origin.


deprimada

This is already a really crowded movie tho. It would just end up being another Black Widow if they did that.


JediJones77

Civil War was one of the most crowded MCU movies ever.


Exhibit101

Did you see the CGI quality in that gif? Thats among the worst I have seen in MCU.


Particular-Fly-3643

Everything in that is just smooth digital animation, it looks on par with Spider-Man 2’s digital doubles and CGI. These movies are so expensive where is it going?!?


EvilMrGui

Yeah the car on the left looked like a game mesh. Hope they are still touching up VFX


FckYouFundie

I remember them doing this with Endgame. if its 40 mins then I wonder if they're gonna cut the Matt Murdock cameo since he is said to come somewhat earlier as Peter's lawyer. We all know damn well they aint gonna show Tobey and Andrew


JediJones77

Spoiler alert much?


tagoean

Not exactly a good sign


Landon1195

This is for interview purposes. Not reviews.


tagoean

I don’t know why I get downvoted but okay. In general if a distributor doesn’t show their film before to critics i has proven in the past that it’s because it’s a trashcan film. I’m not saying this will be. But in general that was the case. I like my Tom Holland spidey as much as you guys 😂


smakson11

It's not for critics. They see it at the premiere, or in screenings in their area.


tagoean

Lol misleading title then I guess … ‘Critics and press’ 😀👌


Sashimiroll16

So expect the Tobey and Andrew around the 50 minute mark? Okay!


Strong_Comedian_3578

They must really want everybody to pay to watch that movie then huh?


BreezyBill

This is the first movie since the pandemic started that there will be no free passes accepted for opening weekend at the chain theater where I work.


Strong_Comedian_3578

Money hungry...


deprimada

Imagine unironically thinking this. Its a business being run like one. Oh my god.


AGOTFAN

Yeah, this is a movie that don't really need full reviews as much as other movies.


uberduger

I like this idea. I'd rather not have the movie spoiled any more than it already is, and how many movies have you watched where the first 40 mins is so vastly different in tone and quality than the rest of the film that you'd feel your overall opinion of the film would be significantly different? Outside of ones with twist endings that make you re-evaluate the whole thing, I can't think of any. All my fave movies have a decent first 40 min, and all the movies I hate generally start badly rather than fall off a cliff halfway.


Ted_binsky

Good


QuixoticMcGee

Watch “the spoiler” (Toby and Andrew) be a total misdirect from the actual events and ramifications on the MCU. It’s possible that we’ve all been baited by them “trying so hard” to keep multiple Spider-Man’s secret. Given that this is supposed to set up the next phase, I bet multiple Peter Parkers is the tip of the iceberg.


Hills1849

Good


LexSoutherland

Good


tommysplanet

What's the point?


ILoveRegenHealth

So if this is true, and with all this secrecy, Tobey Garfield gotta be in the film for sure, right? There's no way a studio would enact something so strict if it was for anything less.


lazarustls

so, at the 40 minute make we see Toby…..check. My guess is right after Strange says “they are coming through”