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British Columbians eligible for COVID-19 booster 6 to 8 months following the second dose

British Columbians eligible for COVID-19 booster 6 to 8 months following the second dose

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Capital-Resident2481

without an antibody blood test how does one know that their protection is dwindling?


hkric

Lower anibody does not mean protection is dwindling though. Antibodies are made when an infection happens. Your body doesn't keep making them, or else your blood would be 100% antibodies by the time you were like 2. Your body learns how to make antibodies, and when the virus show up again, your body notices and makes them again. Waning antibodies is both normal and also doesn't tell you if your immunity is waning.


Capital-Resident2481

so how do we know if the vaccine is waning? like what metric do they use to know that its effective from 14 days after second dose up to 8 months? Edit, reading news papers on waning and all I can find is papers mentioning antibodies. So are you 100% certain on your answer?


butts_kapinsky

One way to tell is by looking at rates of infection compared to a control group that has not been vaccinated.


Lmui

Antibody levels are well correlated with protection against infection. They give you a head start when your body encounters the virus because it can immediately fight it instead of taking some time to ramp up from memory cells, likely before you get sick from the virus. You'll generally have very good protection against severe disease, regardless.


hkric

>very good protection against severe disease Which is what matters and is what we should care about going forward. If you get mild cold symptoms, that's not a problem.


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Because you can look at the success of Israel with the 3rd dose program


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garrulee

I'm hoping he was being sarcastic but in this world probably not.


whistleraussie

Easy, the vaccines don't work for long as science has proven already.


lornebeck

Hard pass


riddler06

Eligible? More like mandated. Unless you want to be one of the "unclean". Get in line or be cast out.


Difficult-Buffalo-54

Give it two more weeks: "Double vaxxed are reckless and selfish, putting triple vaxxed lives at risk."


butts_kapinsky

Are you willing to bet $100 to charity on this prediction? I will take this bet. In two weeks time, a booster shot will still be a precautionary, voluntary measure reserved primarily for the immunocompromised, elderly, and otherwise concerned.


gooberfishie

Haha you fucking pwned him


butts_kapinsky

Shockingly, they did not take me up on the offer. Seems an odd choice given that if they genuinely believed the words they wrote, it would have seemed like very easy money.


gooberfishie

Oh yeah I'm shocked haha


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columbo222

Dr Henry said today, without prompting, that the definition of "fully vaccinated" is NOT changing - still going to be 2 doses. This booster program is both data-driven and optional. If people feel like their situation calls for that extra bit of protection, they should get a booster. If they don't, that's going to be fine. Don't add unnecessary division.


Doomtradeer

Lol she also said there would be no vaccine passport


mrcrazy_monkey

Dr Henry has flip flopped on so many things she says over the last year you can't really expect anything she says to be relevant in 6 weeks to 6 months.


Dieselboy1122

Sheep fools as usual. Just like the only 2 weeks that dragged on for months and every other restrictions bull that was supposedly a short term. This booster will become mandatory just like all businesses will make it mandatory to enter with a vaccine. The govt doesn’t hit you all at once or haven’t we all figured that out yet after a year and a half.


columbo222

Relax, go live your life, stop living in fear


VoteForMartinKendell

For now. I bet when the New Year rolls around, the 3rd dose will become mandatory to keep your vaccine passport in good standing.


columbo222

First of all they explicitly said they won't change the definition, second of all boosters will only be available 6 months "or a bit longer" after dose 2, which for most young people who got their 2nd dose in early September means early March. So, nope.


riddler06

Just remember what you were told, and that you believe it. Next year, see what happens. We were told last year that vaccines would not be mandated in any way. That there would be no passports. That was a lie.


Sandybutthole604

They’ve explicitly said a lot of things and then gone back on it. The government and the media is proving themselves absolutely untrustworthy no matter what side of the argument you’re on.


Uncle_Rabbit

The three stages of headlines: 1. You absolutely don't need to \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ and never will. 2. You may need to \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_. We are looking into it. 3. You have to \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_.


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columbo222

Fall for what? I'm living my normal life, having a blast.


NavigateByAstrology

You wear a mask inside every building and show your medical information to every waitress in your normal life?


columbo222

> You wear a mask inside every building What buildings? Are you wearing a mask at home? LMAO. I wear one at in stores, where it doesn't bother me at all... otherwise it's not like I'm wearing one at home, or at my friends' places, or at restaurants and bars. You can take your mask off at the kitchen table buddy. > and show your medical information to every waitress in your normal life? I don't show my medical info to anyone, what on earth are you on about?


themathmajician

Because normal people acknowledge that information is constantly changing, and decision-makers are responsible for admitting to mistakes due to imperfect information and making changes to fix those mistakes. They aren't trying to trick anyone. What your opinion is on the objectives they have in mind is a separate issue. "Falling for" said objectives is a personal opinion issue. Call it an evil agenda if you like.


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themathmajician

>The majority of Canadians don't need to be treated like children. Not enough of a majority. But again, personal opinion. Now tell me, what exactly is the charade? What are they pretending to do in your eyes? Let's say we aren't talking about pandemic policy. If a government changes its mind about a certain issue (interest rates, for example), would you think they were lying about any of their previous claims? Would you think that they're pulling a bait and switch to garner public support? Again, admitting to mistakes and making changes is part of a decision maker's responsibility.


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themathmajician

Way to miss the point. Make arguments for or against restrictions. I haven't even stated my stance in this thread. What is concerning is your distrust of government has led you to see conspiracies that aren't there. ​ >Let's say we aren't talking about pandemic policy. If a government changes its mind about a certain issue (interest rates, for example), would you think they were lying about any of their previous claims? Would you think that they're pulling a bait and switch to garner public support?


Yevad

How old are you? You sound very inexperienced in politics or someone who is very naive


columbo222

Ok


Fun_Pop295

Only if a new variant arises.


butts_kapinsky

Are you willing to bet $100 to charity? I will take that bet.


NewFrontierMike

The number of times they have moved the goalposts, especially for the so called "passports" is astounding. I give it 1 month until its floated as an idea, then 3 until its law.


columbo222

They haven't moved the goal posts, the situation evolved. New variants emerged, we got long term data about vaccine efficacy. What are we supposed to do, not adapt? You people are silly. Things are 95% back to normal and it'd be 100% if it weren't for antivaxxers. Go get your shot, and get back to your life.


Dieselboy1122

Time for your 10th booster in 2030!!


Santahousecommune

Go get your 4th booster please


columbo222

Reading through your post history you seem to be living in an alternate reality where 90% of us are living in constant fear of COVID and begging for more boosters. I hate to break it to you but you're the one living in constant fear of some dystopian oppressive society that doesn't exist. Move on with your life, like the rest of us have.


Flashy_Aardvark_4673

Time for your 5th booster


NewFrontierMike

And when they move the goalposts for the 35th time, you will blame an ever smaller and increasingly insignificant group of people who don't want the vaccine.


columbo222

I don't even care, I'm living my life again and having a great time. If antivaxxers can't be at the restaurant I'm eating at or at the Canucks game with me, all the better. Their problem, not mine.


Santahousecommune

None of this is Law yet I believe. Collectively we CAN say enough :p thats all


marsupialham

"I want to be where Alberta was in late September!"


butts_kapinsky

Are you willing to bet $100 to charity on this prediction? Having a 3rd booster absolutely will not be law in three months time. Hell, being vaccinated at all isn't even law.


NewFrontierMike

>teehee it's totally not actually law because we found a cute little way to sidestep it and just blatantly coerce people instead :)


butts_kapinsky

Are you willing to bet $100 to charity on this prediction? Having a 3rd booster absolutely will not be required by law in three months time. >teehee it's totally not actually law because we found a cute little way to sidestep it and just blatantly coerce people instead :) It's totally not actually law because it isn't a law. The vaccine passports are a necessary measure to alleviate strain on our medical systems. The other alternatives would be to ban everyone from non-essential businesses or to do nothing and watch as our ICUs collapsed.


whistleraussie

Henry is a liar.


Receedus

They also said 2 weeks to flatten the curve


Uncle_Rabbit

They used to say we were all in this together too.


Receedus

Its easier to distract the plebs when they fight amongst each other while you steal from them.


airbreather02

And they renewed the *two week state of emergency*, **32 times**.


butts_kapinsky

Yeah. It's almost like we were still in a state of emergency.


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columbo222

You mean when the virus was brand new in Canada and we knew almost nothing at all about it?


Dieselboy1122

Interesting how China seems to have escaped any news against releasing this virus lately since Trump gone. Biden a tool of the Chinese and his Son in bed with their corruption.


mattchew1993

Sir this is a Wendy’s


marsupialham

Imagine not knowing what that means 1.6 years in. How embarrassing for you.


Receedus

Means we gave the government free reign and they do not want to let those powers go. Much like income tax.


marsupialham

How embarrassing for you.


Receedus

I dont hear a counter argument from you bud, all I hear is the same comment twice.


marsupialham

Sorry I'm not willing to chase down red herrings.


Temporary_Spring_934

Lol that’s cute. I still *remember just 2 more weeks.* I still remember when worrying about vaccine passports and mandates was conspiracy thinking and, I quote, “never going to happen” Ya’ll are adorable


Asn_Browser

Yeah I also remember the glory hole recommendation. People have short memories.


butts_kapinsky

If you still remember *just 2 more weeks* then surely you remember what the 2 more weeks was referring to? It was referring to getting our cases to plateau and start reducing, at which point our medical systems could start stabilizing and we can start working out a long term strategy. Two weeks *to bend the curve*. What exactly do you think "bending the curve" means?


columbo222

Ok? What's your problem these days? I'm living my fullest life again and loving it.


Tmonster18

Dr. Henry has said lots of things then flip-flopped a few weeks/months later. Crazy to still believe everything they say but you do you lmao


columbo222

You're confusing "responding to evolving situations" with "lying". Things have changed in BC because the situation changed (e.g. repealing the mask mandate in August and putting it back when delta went crazy). But I can't think of a time when Dr Henry has explicitly lied. I have no reason not to trust her on this.


Tmonster18

“Evolving situation” only goes so far.. They can say that for years and years while keeping restrictions and would you just accept it without criticism? She essentially said “ BC wont do passports, they can marginalise communities” and 3 months later that’s out the window. There will alway be variants, I’m sorry but that’s not an excuse for prolonging restrictions and more mandates. I’m not a covid denier, got my vaccine like ALMOST 90% OF THE POPULATION NOW, but I’m a realist and I want an accountable government. We’re creeping up on 90% vaccinated, I seriously doubt we’ll even get to 95% and we obvs won’t get to 100% so time to go away with restrictions and move on ✌🏻


columbo222

I agree we need to move on from restrictions, which is what we are doing... Basically the only restriction now is that you must be vaccinated for certain activities, which allows us to get rid of all the other restrictions!


marsupialham

Yeah — consider that Delta is 2.1-3.3 times as contagious as COVID Classic™ and twice as deadly, yet our health measures are all lower than they were a year ago despite Delta making up 99.6% of cases (with 0.3% and 0.2% being Alpha and Gamma respectively, which also reduce vaccine effectiveness, just not as much). The vaccines have bought back a tremendous amount of freedom.


themathmajician

Passports literally let you ignore more and more mandates and restrictions. It's the one thing that the 90% (eligible) vaccinated should be supporting.


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themathmajician

something not making sense to you?


equalizer16

Things do change, and quite quickly at times, as the last 1.5 years have shown.


Mickeym00m00

Is this the new go to line anti vaxxors are saying?


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garrulee

Look you see it starting already, Double vaxxed people who did everything asked of them questioning the need for boosters instantly lumped in with anti vaxxers. This is like a bad south park episode.


NotAW0rd

So what now we all need to get a booster every 9-12 months? Fuck they make conspiracy theorist seem less nuts the further this goes on.


Jcfors

You are acting like this is a new phenomenon. Flu vaccines are a yearly occurrence already.


Uncle_Rabbit

Nobody lost their job or couldn't collect EI because they didn't get a flu shot.


Jcfors

We also didn’t have to worry about ICU’s being as full as they have been.


Uncle_Rabbit

Don't know about that. The healthcare system has been overburdened for many many years prior to Covid. You'd be surprised at how many hospitals run way over 100% capacity at any given day pre-Covid.


Jcfors

Hardly to the extent we are experiencing because of this virus but I agree this is a problem that has been brewing due to years of healthcare neglect. Also, We can’t just ignore everything that happened in Alberta and Saskatchewan recently. That doesn’t just happen, nor does it happen outside of a pandemic/emergency scenario.


butts_kapinsky

>Don't know about that. You should know about that. It's been a leading news story pretty consistently for nearly two years now. This might come as a surprise but a novel virus causing a pandemic did not lighten the load of our already overburdened medical system. In fact, it severely increased the strain far beyond levels we've seen in at least your lifetime.


C19ForModPlz

Your immune system as a subscription service. Its also funny how we dont tall about "herd immunity" any more. >70% to reach herd immunity Guess the "science" is changing .....or is it settled? Im not sure anymore. I just don't want to anger "the science".


butts_kapinsky

In case you are genuinely interested in the science. A herd immunity threshold of 70% of the total population fully vaccinated was estimated for the original strain of COVID. The Delta variant is unfortunately more infectious. As a result, a higher portion of the total population must be fully vaccinated in order for herd immunity to take effect. This is now estimated at 80-90%. It's important to remember that vaccination rates are also not homogenous across provinces, towns, or even communities. A province might have 75% fully vaccinated but there could be many towns with below 60% vaccination that are still at high risk for a break out.


Receedus

More money to make.


troppofigocanadese

Lmao this is definitely going to become mandatory to do the 3rd dose. Dont kid youraelf that this stays optional. Were in a clown world right now.


Capital-Resident2481

ahhh shit, here we go again.


marsupialham

Oh no, I'll have to take 30 minutes out of my day and feel a little groggy for a day


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marsupialham

Can't wait.


CalgaryChris77

This seems awfully unnecessary... it sounds like for most people this will be a fraction of a percent change in efficacy. On the flip side why are they only doing the boosters for vulnerable people now, the other provinces started those a long time ago.


anon3040459

They probably want the vaccine passport system to run similar to Israel https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/03/world/israel-covid-booster.html You get your pass turned off if you aren't in compliance, which they define as including in the boosters in Israel The only reason Im avoiding getting the passport and booster, they always want "one more thing" and Im just tired of it


darrellchang

Sureeee


ohboyherewegoagain12

Yeah.. I won't be getting anymore shots.


SkybridgeX

Soon you'll get to be classed an antivaxxer with everyone else stopping at two.


CalgaryChris77

Get it every year with your flu shot.


NavigateByAstrology

>This seems awfully unnecessary... It placates the alarmists who say things like > why are they only doing the boosters for vulnerable people now, the other provinces started those a long time ago. You're exemplary of that problem.


CalgaryChris77

Except that boosters are shown to make a significant difference in those over 75 and with immune issues who never got full protection from 2 doses.


marsupialham

Pfizer started Alpha + Delta booster trials (same vaccine, update protein) in August. Should be approved around the end of the year.


Just-a-random-guy7

Where did this come from? I don’t recall much discussion up to this point in the media about boosters coming. Do you? I know it was a general topic milling about… but here they are now?


Bubbaganewsh

It's actually been a topic for some time now because they found the efficacy wanes after six months or so to somewhere like 60% (ish), maybe more I can't remember. They discovered a booster brings it up to around 95% so it was worth investigating and now here we are.


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Bubbaganewsh

After six to eights months it starts to drop apparently to around mid 60% ish. I believe this is the Pfizer, not sure if the others are the same. I am just going by memory so not completely sure on numbers.


Dieselboy1122

Of course Pfizer has a study that it wanes and boosters needed. Billions more into their coffers my sheep friends


Metaldjentmetal

Wow I've read lots of studies and your definitely cherry picking that 60% efficacy after 6 months especially in men. Embarrassing that no one here has read enough to know that though


Metaldjentmetal

Both studies below 50% ,show the cherry picked study showing 60% after 6 months https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/protection-immune-response-fall-after-pfizer-covid-vaccine-data-show https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/protection-immune-response-fall-after-pfizer-covid-vaccine-data-show


Mickeym00m00

How dare you be reasonable. This is /r/canada!


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Mainly Israel's massive success with this 3rd dose program


jamontoast422

Same thing with the vaccine pass. Before June I never of it other than Trudeau saying we wouldn't have them.


bizzy72

Just got second shot there's no way I'm doing 3 I'm pretty unhappy having to do 2 but 3 is not gonna happen I will join antivax if they make 3 mandatoru


18thbooster

We warned you.


Fatpenguinboi

I took the two as recommended, if I need to get 3 doses in one year then this is literally a pointless vaccine and we're better off to get the virus and thin herd.


butts_kapinsky

Hope to god nobody ever wastes their time giving you antibiotics. "I have to finish the whole bottle! This is literally pointless. Better off letting this sinus infection run its course and thin herd".


abazab905

Lots of vaccines require multiple doses. Hepatitis vaccines require 3 doses. HPV is 3 doses. Tetanus only last about 10 years. Rabies vaccines have a variable length of time they provide protection. That's just off the top of my head.


Canadianman22

6 months is awfully soon for a booster. I get that mRNA vaccines are new (in terms of actual large scale deployment) so this is all uncharted waters and who is to say that you dont need to get boosters every 6 months for the rest of time? I got my two shots of Pfizer. I was told that would be it. If I am getting a booster shot it better be one that will last 10+ years. If that means its a non-mRNA vaccine so be it. I will not be a part of lining Pfizer's pockets every 6 months for life.


butts_kapinsky

People are eligible starting 6 months from their 2nd dose. This is not necessarily the same as what is recommended. For some people like those who are immunocompromised it might be recommended to get a booster after 6 months. For most, it is not.


abazab905

Do what you want. I just said it's not uncommon for vaccines to have similar schedules and similar number of doses as the covid vaccine.


musicmills

I said the same thing about working out. Twice a week I was fine with, then my trainer said, "you could increase that to 3 times" So I said "Eff that, this is all a conspiracy, working out is obviously pointless, and the world should just be morbidly obese."


Datsyukian13

These analogies keep getting worse and worse


musicmills

On-par for the rebuttals, and the red wings organization


jamontoast422

Thanks dude you made a good point. Let's work out 24/7


musicmills

Don't fall down the slippery slope.


Mickeym00m00

It's a booster. It's normal.


ohboyherewegoagain12

Please tell me, which other vaccine requires a booster every 6 months?


themathmajician

What other virus has comparable severity, transmissibility, and mutation rate/number of hosts? That's right, none. And that's why there are only downvotes. This sub is shameful.


clarkent123223

Careful now, you’re using too much science and logic against their blind rage.


themathmajician

Getting the virus is a less effective, more expensive, and more unhealthy method of preventing future infection.


clarkent123223

So you’re all for “thin herding” you and your family too?


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jamontoast422

When can I buy a Pfizer vaccine IV drip?


55cheddar

Efficacy severely wanes after 3 months.. not sure about 9 months...


Alphafuckboy

Wbe are uou eligible for the 4th?


TrizzyG

The anti vaxxers out in full force with completely idiotic fearmongering and shitty recycled memes from last year.


don242

Meanwhile, most countries barely have access to the first dose.


Fromomo

Worth a watch: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-58598166