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Cars that are now out of reach

Cars that are now out of reach

thelackofswag

FD RX7, price just keeps going up


Maxahoy

All the 90's JDM are like that, and the 2000's JDM will surely follow. The RX8 will eventually hit an inflection point where people realize "wait, this is underrated and actually cool, plus it has back seats" and it'll take off. The NC Miata might always look homely but it'll eventually get recognition as well. As for the actually desirable 2000's JDM stuff? I think WRX's & Evos from that era are already impossible to find clean, so those are going to rise faster and faster if they're still nice. Someday the Zoomers will come for the 2000's cars just like the Millennials came for the 90's cars.


ItsJustAwso

My RX-8 was literally the cheapest car I ever bought. Mods now made it my most expensive car but it's a great platform. I liked how they looked growing up in NFS and Gran Turismo so it made for an awesome purchase. They're really fun to drive and fairly practical to boot


RunninOnMT

I read a lot of car magazines when they came out. They literally only got positive reviews.


ItsJustAwso

Yeah, I reread some of the old comparisons and it won out over the 350Z and S2000 in a C&D one. I think the reputation (deserved or not) for unreliability has dulled part of the but people forget that this car is basically a sports sedan and can seat 4 with ease with a practical boot. Most refined of the JDM sports cars trio and makes for a good cruiser.


RunninOnMT

Fuuuuck we were spoiled for choices when it came to $30k fun cars circa 2005….


roman_maverik

I think there’s honestly a lot more fun cars *now* than then. And they are much cheaper too. Although the late 2010s/early 2020s did kill off the Ford ST cars and the 370z, two cheap cars under 30k. But there is still a plethora of cars on the market around 30k like that - I could list them but you know the drill. People tend to forget about inflation when comparing car prices from decades ago. Most enthusiast cars under 40k have gotten *cheaper* over time. For example, both the WRX and 370z were about $4k cheaper in 2020 than in the late 2000s, when adjusting prices appropriately. Do you want to have your mind blown? A base-spec 350z in 2003 (27k) would cost $40,000 in today’s money.


Abetok

We can talk all we want about inflation but the fact of the matter is that salaries have not kept up with inflation for a while now. Why do people grumble so much about the salary of government workers when their salaries have historically been lower in exchange for benefits and job security? Because they get at minimum inflation adjustment raises per year since their unions are strong. It's not that government should pay better, it's simply that their salaries have been adjusted up as well. The other thing is that while maybe these prices are actually less relative to average inflation, some pretty basic things like housing are growing in a pretty crazy way, meaning less fun money overall. The only really cheap car now is the GT86/BRZ, at least in Canada. A miata is well over 40k, while median household income is 60k. It was 54k in 2004. The price then was 28k. That means that for the average person the cost relative to household pay climbed from 52% of an annual salary to around 70% of an annual salary. Is the new miata an obviously far superior machine? Yes. But it's much farther out of reach of the average person. If you want a car around the 30k mark to be fun, your choices are pretty much: Civic Si Golf GTI (34k but we'll let it go) 86/BRZ (again a little north of 30k but ok) Base Camaro WRX is north of 35 but under 40 That's the list of affordable fun cars. No fiat 500 abarth, no focus St, Mazdaspeed3, or Dodge neon srt4, Chevy cobalt SS, RSX type S (that came in at 30k too). Its depressing, but saying "factor in inflation" just isn't accurate for most people. The median income should be 73.5k if we factored in inflation, and all of a sudden stuff looks a lot more affordable then.


roman_maverik

In the US, the Ford Mustang, BRZ, WRX, and Mazda Miata start at 27k and the GTI is 29k. The 370z also started at 30k (they don’t make them anymore but a few are still left on lots). There are tons of cheap cars out there compared to 20 years ago.


Abetok

Yeah this doesn't necessarily apply to the USA. Your median income growth has actually outpaced inflation too - 2004 median income was 44.4k, adjusting for inflation that should be 60k, in reality median income is 68.7k. You guys got affordable everything down there. For context 68.7k USD translate to 85k CAD, that is your median income is almost 1.5x ours, while your cost of living is similar/lower in some cases


Papapene-bigpene

Problem is of course The engine, gotta invest in adding some rods for strength and such, rob dahm has a full in depth video discussing everything that can make the ROTARY amazing.


ItsJustAwso

Bro that shit is only an issue for big power rotaries. No one does that on renesis engines since they haven't been able to reliably make the power levels that requires such measures All you really need to do is to do regular maintenance, keep oil levels topped up, try to avoid overheating and pray for the best :). Currently at 91k miles and counting on the original engine


DanCastellaneta

>The NC Miata might always look homely but it'll eventually get recognition as well. Eventually? Fuck, later year NCs are worth as much *now* as used ND1s were for the longest time. The only cheap Miatas now are automatic NAs and NBs in general - but even there, Mazdaspeeds are starting to get real pricey.


Maxahoy

While it's true that NC2's and NC3's are worth plenty, I don't think their price rise has to do with recognition. I think their rise has more to do with the overall rise in car prices since the start of the pandemic. Miatas are ridiculous in general, though. Automatics are cheap as shit because nobody *really* wants an auto Miata, but otherwise you're going to be paying a lot for a vehicle that can't be your only car. Well, it can, but I constantly needed to borrow my buddy's truck when my only car was my 2006 Miata touring.


Thorkell_The_Tall1

i want an is 300 sportX but I can't until 2023 and time is ticking


cornyevo

Can confirm. My evo has probably tripled in value since owning it.


_bwoah_

Definitely regret passing on a few of those.


OnlyStandard

DSMs. All through the 90's and 2000's, they were rode hard and put away wet. Slap on a big turbo and crank the boost, run 11's, blow it up, go get another one, rinse, repeat... They have all but disappeared now.


RallyLancer

I remember when I was a teenager which wasn't too long ago I could search for Eclipse GSX or GST and get multiple results. Just the other day I searched for a turbo Eclipse for shits and giggles and got no results. Was pretty eye opening. Definitely holding on to mine


sendcreampies

A clean GSX was $10k ten years ago. They’ve always been a bit rare and hard to find in good condition.


bsw1234

Funny you mentioned that. I saw a pretty clean early 90s or so DSM on the road in Florida not too long ag and thought “holy shit I haven’t seen one of them in forever”. They really have disappeared.


OnlyStandard

Yep. I see 2Gs more, and even when I had my 1GA I saw very few of them. Now they are even rarer.


HimTiser

I saw a super clean, stock GSX the other day and about snapped my neck. I was way more impressed with that than some random super car. Would have loved to talk with the owner.


SkylineFTW97

Same for the 1st gen Dodge Neon. I really want an ACR or R/T 5 speed sedan. At least I have my Infiniti G20 as my 2nd choice.


Epotheros

5th Gen Vipers. They are already double to triple MSRP for some trims. Especially the ACRs. They never had a depreciation interval and appreciated faster than the Ford GT and Lexus LFA.


137982

Is it just me, or is that extremely confusing? Dodge cancels the Viper because they don't sell enough, but then it skips the depreciation phase and is now worth twice as much. Do people want the things or not?


jseams

Some people absolutely wanted them - just apparently not nearly enough for Dodge to keep making them. There really aren't that many out there so those people that still want one are willing to pay a premium. Viper Sales: 2005 1,652 2006 1,455 2007 435 2008 1,172 2009 482 2010 392 2011 197 2012 20 2013 591 2014 760 2015 676 2016 626 2017 585 2018 19 2019 5 2020 6 2021 3


137982

Wow. I'll be honest, I didn't realize the sales were *that* bad. I wonder if popularity would pick up with the release of the C8 and the GT350 production ending? The Viper would stand out now that it's pretty much the only track focused, big front engine, manual American car on sale now.


V12MPG

To be fair everything after 2017 were leftover cars probably sitting at dealers with huge markups. But even then ~600/yr isn’t exactly huge.


137982

Yea, that's pretty awful. Especially if you compare it to (I think?) it's closest US competitor, the Corvette. Even the ZR1 sales were in the thousands.


Verod392

Eh its not really an apt comparison. For starters, a Vipers "regular" trims was significantly more expensive than a Z06 and was always viewed as a far more hardcore car as opposed to the Corvette. A T/A was ZR1 money. Add in that the Viper only came with a manual and had a bespoke engine that just absolutely guzzled gas. You had to **really** want a Viper specifically to choose it over a Corvette. The closest comparison you'd get to a Viper is a manual Z06/ZR1. I'd wager they have similar sales figures.


bouncy-castle

GT3 used to be a high level car that you could save for if you had a decent white collar job. Now it’s ADM and scarcity raising the price artificially.


V12MPG

Even the MSRP has gone way up recently. 996/997 GT3s were pretty rare and targeted at the enthusiast market. With the 991 generation production exploded. It became the 911 to buy for everyone. Porsche cultivated an image of being a high-end performance bargain compared to exotics but the hype got so big they were able to at least somewhat drop the bargain part and keep selling them.


Slimy_Shart_Socket

Terminator Cobras. When I was in highschool $15-$25k got you a nice one. After highschool when I got my first job, $25-$30k. Now a Terminator Convertible with peeling paint is like $35k. A good one is almost 40k, and a black coupe in good condition is $45k My buddy bought an 07 GT500 for $45k. Dealers are now asking $60k for 07-09 and 90k for 2013-2014 GT500s. I'm in Canada BTW so prices are CAD.


daddysaidnothankyou

First gen nsx, fd rx7, 997.2 turbo for me. All cars I dream to own some day but are getting more unrealistic as time goes on.


ABitTooFlippant

I feel like pick up trucks are quickly becoming an upper middle class "car". It's wild that a V8 pick up truck borders on $70k. I guess you don't need a V8 and you can go with a V6 but overall I just feel like pick up trucks are becoming out of reach. Same with SUVs like the Tahoe, Suburban, etc. Maybe they've always had this relative value and I'm just now old enough to really understand the price. The current market is insane. I'm not sure about general market on any of those cars as I don't have an interest in them, but if the inflation is due to the pandemic, there is hope. If it's because they're harder to find due to age/less availability...that just sucks.


Smitty_Oom

> overall I just feel like pick up trucks are becoming out of reach. Same with SUVs like the Tahoe, Suburban, etc. I think it's because people keep getting more and more options. You can get a low/mid spec Tahoe for $55k-$60k... it's just that hardly anyone buys them. Everyone wants the 20's and the midnight package and the rear DVD and all that other stuff that pushes the price way up. Of course, $55k is still a decent chunk of change. I'd argue you get a hell of a lot of vehicle for $55k, but it's still $$$.


Red_Swingline_

>I'd argue you get a hell of a lot of vehicle for $55k, but it's still $$$. And it doesn't feel so bad to me when I plan on driving it for 8-10 years.


Ran4

Buying new really doesn't make sense if you're going to own the car for that long.


Red_Swingline_

Okay, and? Buying new allowed me to get it optioned how I want. I looked for a used one, could not find the options I wanted, and the few that were close were very high mileage (1 year old trucks approaching 20k+ on the coal already) I could afford it, so I did it. I never claimed it was the best option financially. 🤷‍♂️


CodyHodgsonAnon19

Literally anything interesting or good. So that's fun.


ts30z

There are lots of cheap interesting cars, you just have to know about them and where to look.


CodyHodgsonAnon19

Like what? We're fundamentally talking about a fixed supply of vehicles. A supply that is constantly dwindling by way of rust/age deterioration/bad modification/collecting/and being crashed/broken. "cheap" is obviously a relative term. And in those terms...anything interesting has already started to noticeably appreciate in value/cost. Beyond what is generally feasible for normal people to buy, just as a car.


ts30z

I completely agree with everything aside from the last sentence. There’s a guy who posts a 5k car ad challenge every week and people always find cool stuff for sale, even if 90% of the cars are projects. Just search “5k” in this sub and you will know what I’m talking about. I think the Merkur XR4Ti (biased owner) is an interesting cheap car. They’re not often for sale, but a nice driver would set you back about 5k. Saab 9000 Turbos are super cool and can still be had for that. The Lexus LS400 has gotten more expensive, but decent examples can still be had for that price. There are many more examples.


CodyHodgsonAnon19

> is an interesting cheap car. They’re not often for sale Isn't this kind of exactly what i'm saying though? Like...a vehicle sometimes rarely being available for a price, doesn't make it a reliable option as an affordable, accessible, interesting car. It makes it a niche item that you've gotta camp out and wait for potentially months or even years, to find a good deal on one and pull the trigger. That's not really, "within reach" in most people's cases. Unless you're buying it as a second, third, whatever car. Which is...inherently *not* within most people's reach.


ts30z

I will admit that the 9000 Turbo also falls into that category, but the LS400 still stands. Not fun enough? I’ll also add in the car I drive everyday, a 2003 Mini Cooper S. Supercharged 6 speed manual hot hatch, going strong at 142k miles. The only problem I’ve had with it in my past year of ownership has been a squeaky idler pulley. (cheap fix you can do yourself) I bought mine for 3k and you can regularly find decent ones for 5. You may not be able to buy the cool cars that are in your sight, but what about the ones you ignore? Both cars I own I totally slept on before I owned them and now I love them.


CodyHodgsonAnon19

And what if FWD cars happen to not interest you? Like...the problem here, is fundamentally that engaging "drivers cars" have been startlingly jumping upward in price. And there frankly are not any of these vehicles being built anymore. So it's a capped system. There's no more supply. It's just drivers competing with collectors to snap up those cars that exist.


ts30z

“And what if FWD cars happen to not interest you?” Then get into BMWs. Also, if you’re suggesting to have an engaging drivers car to hoon/drive spiritedly I think those duties should be reserved for a second car, not your only car. That’s where things can get pricey. You can still drive a cheap interesting car everyday, but it won’t be a RWD sports car.


CodyHodgsonAnon19

Have you looked at prices on even like...decent or halfway functional 80s BMWs lately? They're all skyward into the stratosphere. And the idea of having a "second car" is just quintessentially representative of something out of reach for *most* typical drivers. Most people can't afford to just have a "second car" for the weekends. Between insurance, running costs, and just...a place to keep it. That is out of range.


ts30z

I didn’t say 80s, I said BMWs. E36s and E46s are still somewhat reasonable. I already pointed out that second cars are expensive, no need to reiterate. Here are some ads within a few hours of me so you can get my perspective. 325i vert https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1596732977339141/ SC400 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1806679026178958/ 9000 Turbo https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/397535031948606/ Cooper S https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3075344559456397/ BONUS: I’d have to road trip a U-Haul all day to get these to my driveway, but if you HAVE to have RWD stick I’m sure many would do it. MR-S https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/597097341419164/ NA Miata https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3234320030135777/ Of course they’re not all guaranteed to be gems but it just goes to show they’re still out there RIGHT NOW. That’s all I have to say aside from I am a no-life dweeb who searched for these ads for 20 minutes for the sake of a Reddit argument. Sorry. Have a good Friday!


fhs

Desirable cars are desirable who knew


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Smitty_Oom

Please remain civil.


Smolv8

Relax man all is well


crazindndude

S2000 CR, good luck


Big-Shtick

Honestly, the differences between the CR aren't SO crazy that it justifies the price. >Changes for the CR included a lower ratio steering rack, revised exhaust system, black lug nuts, darker colored wheels, clear side markers, stiffer suspension[,] ... new Bridgestone Potenza RE070 tyres that were 10mm wider at the rear (255/40R-17 vice the base model's 245/40R-17)[, ] revised body kit, composed of a redesigned front lip, and a large spoiler, ... [t]he power folding soft top was removed and replaced with a Berlina Black hard top (regardless of the car's body paint colour), while the space into which the soft top would normally fold when lowered was filled with additional chassis bracing and topped off with a body-color tonneau cover. So the big changes were the removal of the soft top, tonneau cover, chassis bracing, new steering rack, and the yellow/black interior. This can all be done to the regular S2000 for way, way less money than buying a CR (except for the interior I suppose). Having driven a buddy's CR, I've never felt like I own the lesser car. The AP2 can still be found for decent prices, maybe $30k for a clean one, and then you can just start from there. If you want OEM, then that's fine. But the CR gets a lot of hype because only 600 were sold in the US. Go buy an AP2 and be done.


cyberrdrake

Low production special editions are always going to be expensive, but even the regular ones in nice shape are getting to be 20K+ with 120K miles....


Catto_Channel

Lmao. /r/lewronggeneration You might as well just assemble a list of all cars that ended production before 1996 and the vast majority of those will be 'out of reach'


orangebikini

What's lewronggeneration about this though?


AlphaWizard

Before this people were upset about 70’s muscle car prices Before that it was 50’s Bel Aires and Fairlanes Before that it was 30’s and 40’s big fender coupes It’s just a common sentiment that each generation seems to have.


orangebikini

Obviously, but OP doesn't seem to be crying about being part of the wrong generation or whatever, they're just crying about the price of these cars rising. Like, these two things don't have anything to do with eachother.


AlphaWizard

Yeah, I’d agree that it’s not the best fitting *le meme* for the situation. Just taking a stab at the thought process behind it.


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orangebikini

What the fuck is going on?


MaximumAbsorbency

It's also a complaint about current prices in general and the increase over the last 1.5 years. For a not classic car example - I had to sell my 2019 Challenger when I was between jobs thanks to the pandemic. I paid $41k for it brand new. I got a new job, had to move for it, sold my house and paid off a bunch of shit with the profits. Figured it was a good time to buy another Challenger so I started pricing them out. The cheapest *Used 2019* within 500 miles of me is up for $43k right now. If I wanted another new one, the MSRP with the same options is $54.7k putting it slightly out of reach.


Mauser-Nut91

S54 M Coupes


SkylineFTW97

Despite my username, I haven't been super into Skylines since high school. Too expensive and heavy for what I'd want out of a sports car. Although the I6 exhaust is something I absolutely love, so I guess I'll have to find a way to get a BMW Z4 for cheap. Maybe find one that needs a water pump.


ThePurpleBall

NSX. Sad noises


TVR_Speed_12

I wish there was a law in place to prevent prices from rising. However it's pointless as the rich will figure out a way to manipulate it anyway.