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pascal21

"Beach said he witnessed meetings discussing Aldrich’s assault in coach Joel Quenneville’s office — “There’s absolutely no way he can deny knowing it,” he added. He also said he fully believes the Hawks’ NHL roster knew about the assault because “word spread pretty quick” — **he was bullied with comments about it within the locker room and on the ice.**" smfh


ControlLayer

That stood out to me as well. So he was raped by someone who could ostensibly destroy his dreams and then his team fucking bullies him? That's fucked.


eskimoboob

pretty much what a lot of sexual assault victims have to face, male or female.


ControlLayer

Very true. I think it is standing out because of the marketing around the Hawks. Especially in Chicago you only saw how they're just a merry bunch of philanthropic good guys. So you just unconsciously absorb that the whole team are just nice guys.


properfoxes

I think the other sexual assault allegations against a blackhawks player definitely put a little strain on that image, at least for those who didn’t blindly deny he could have done it because they like watching him sport.


bmoviescreamqueen

Out the players I say.


sp0rk_walker

Kane admitted to it


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I highly, highly doubt that seeing as how Kane, Akim Aliu, and Kyle Beach were all friends and buddied up during the 2010-11 season training camp where the slurs and insults took place. I'd be happy for you to prove me wrong.


sp0rk_walker

Watch the interview he gave a reporter who asked about it. Or better yet, if he's your client ask him.


CorpsKernel

Which is what women have been saying forever.


ControlLayer

100%


AirConditioningMoose

Welcome to professional hockey. I dated a referee (he was an abusive ass) for a long time and the shit that goes on is disgusting. When I finally left him, I tried to spread word about the things I witnessed - to the leagues, other officials, players and fans. Nobody believed me or they just band together to hide it.


monximus

Literally the suk-hawks suking


OpneFall

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I read, the bullying came from his minor league team, not the Hawks, which he technically never was a part of the locker room, only a group of playoff callups. I'm sure the big club players heard the rumors but it is an important distinction as to who was doing the bullying.


ControlLayer

Not sure, but it probably wasn't the guys we saw playing on tv but that's not the issue. It was still dudes he had to be playing with regularly, right?


OpneFall

Right, I'm just pointing out that the OP seems to be linking the Hawks locker room with the on-ice and locker room bullying. Which doesn't seem to be the case based on the story. It was his minor league team doing that. He was a part of the organization but never on the Hawks team.


monximus

>He also said he fully believes the **Hawks’ NHL roster** knew about the assault because “word spread pretty quick” — he was bullied with comments about it **in the locker room and on the ice**. **Hawks’ NHL roster** ... **in the locker room and on the ice** Sounds like everyone knew and were insinuating he was gay. Edit: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/mitch-albom-allegations-against-bo-schembechler-are-devastating-so-are-the-victims-stories/ar-AAKVlGk >Johnson spoke of losing two marriages, and long stretches of sexual promiscuity, trying to prove “that I wasn’t a homosexual.” Kwiatkowski admitted to avoiding doctors ever since college “jeopardizing my own health. I’ve (also) found it very hard to have intimate relationships with women.”


pascal21

Not really sure this matters, and I have no trouble believing NHL players would act this way. It's not like bullies suddenly change when they make it to the NHL.


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Wow, fuck that whole team.


tupilak5

It was a while ago so I don't quite remember, but wasn't there a lot of gossip about Beach being "difficult to get along with" and perhaps having issues in the locker room? This all kind of has to make you re-evaluate those assertions...


mkvgtired

That is so messed up. What objectively awful people.


TotalTeri

This is messy, the Blackhawks protected a sexual predator who went on to assault a 16yr old


MidgetLovingMaxx

Another player, an intern and *then* a 16 year old.


Tearakan

Fuck, that's bad. Well time to clean house then.


Keoni9

There's no way Quenneville couldn't have known, and Stan Bowman has quoted him as saying that trying to win a Stanley Cup was more important than sexual assault.


Rsoccer17

Kyle said everyone knew. Players, coaches, front office, everyone


millfordforde

Daniel Carcillo said when he was on the Flyers, even they had heard. Opposing teams knew too. Mid-playoffs.


JuicyJfrom3

Q should never be allowed in the Hall of Fame after this


bmoviescreamqueen

Nope. Same thing happened to Coach Paterno and it should happen here too. when you protect predators you're also a scumbag.


Tearakan

Yep. Should be stricken from the records too. Tarnish that guy's legacy.


_suburbanrhythm

Speaking from a position of sexual assault I would murder him


Rsoccer17

Q should never have another job in hockey after this


Shiftyboss

This isn't messy. This is a looking clear cut, "What did they know and when did they know it?" It's looking like the entire franchise's office knew too much and did nothing. Here is the simplest litmus test: \- If you knew a sexual assault occurred and did nothing, you lose your job.


Bernard_Samson

Not just them, but also people in the NHLPA and possibly more. This goes pretty high.


music3k

And the Chicago media who are now pretending they didnt know. Eddie O had full reign of that franchise and didnt say shit. Nevermind espn, comcast/nbcsports people.


OpneFall

OK I didn't read the whole report but from what I read the focus is on a few players and some top 5 hawks brass. I didn't see anything about local media people being aware much less ESPN.


MoldyPoldy

Some of his quotes say players heckled him about it, including in front of media.


shiftysquid

That seems a little vague. What exactly was said? Was it explicit enough for the media members to understand what actually happened, or was it just off-hand jokes that wouldn't make sense unless you already knew? And if media members did have a hunch, all they'd be able to do is ask about it. If no one was willing to talk about it or go on the record, they wouldn't have much. And that's all assuming it's actually true that media members were both in the area around the jokes and heard them rather than being engaged in interviews with other players/coaches.


sp0rk_walker

Kane admitted to harassment from players in a video I saw last night


Badgerisbest

When Westhead of TSN started dropping bombs, Chicago media stayed very quiet. I hope a few of them helped Westhead on the down-low by connecting Westhead to sources or confidants to help with the story they might not have been able to assist on their own for fear of burning their Hawks relationships. I have no doubt the ones closest though did absolutely nothing. Many are directly employed by the hawks and having a cushy broadcasting jobs they don't want to sacrifice.


bagelman4000

100% this


TotalTeri

True, but it's messy cause they were trying to win a championship.


davarino1

Yes it’s a professional sport but at the end of the day it’s still a *game* There is no game, at any level, that is so important as to allow for the coverup of such a heinous violent crime like sexual assault. Championships don’t matter when it comes to that.


gladysk

Joe Paterno comes to mind.


I_Am_Dwight_Snoot

Yup and Jim Jordan too. I'll never understand how he got elected after turning a blind eye to rampant sexual assault.. and I'll never understand why sports seem to attract some of the worst types of people out there.


mindlessidiots

Pretty easy to get elected in spite of stuff like that if your base believes everything negative about you is fake news fabricated by the deep state because if you say things they agree with then you are clearly gods chosen candidate.


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gladysk

Yep


cutchemist42

I dont understand why coverup so much for just a video coach?


attoncyattaw

One fucked up thing about the big cover-up meeting was how concerned they were about this being a distraction in the Stanley Cup finals. And then they all lied their asses off. What a repugnant legacy.


Badgerisbest

So, Qs first reaction of "what fucking bullshit is this that just got dumped on my plate as I just walked off ice from an intense playoff game, I don't have time for this" sorta makes sense if the Blackhawks leadership if they did not understand the severity of the crime and assault that took place. At least from the report, that's seems plausible. However, for the life of me, I cannot understand why the fuck Q, someone who can probably kill you with how own stare, did not march right down or order someone to scare the living hell out of Aldrich. It's his own damn players! What's so valuable about a creepy video coach? What if he harasses more players? What if that continues to fuck with team chemistry? If they had scared the ever living fuck out of Aldrich, making the same career threats he would understand (Screw up one more time, talk to Kyle Beach, text Kyle Beach, one more report of you messing with my players, and I will make sure you never work on hockey again) they could have stopped another creepy physical harassment of an intern. Aldrich was grabbing his genitals and demanding he follow up to his apartment where he would probably rape him just like Kyle Beach. Instead they all sat on it and literally did nothing to rock the boat. All for a creepy fuck and serial harasser. **They let him have his God damn day with the Stanley Cup.**


cutchemist42

Yep...I cannot understand anyone who is even trying to devil's advocate this by saying they needed to save the franchise and not rock the boat.


icedearth15324

Honestly, I feel they could have potentially done more for the franchise, the sport, and for sexual assault victims worldwide, if they would have stepped out in front of it when it happened. Would it have sucked if the Hawks didn't get that first cup, sure, but it would have been a bigger victory in other ways. But then again hindsight is 20/20, so who knows what they were all thinking at the time.


OffreingsForThee

Not defending here, but do you think based on what they might have heard in the Beach story that they thought they just had two bi-curious or gay men on their hands. One complained but since it's a same-sex situation, no one wanted to bother getting into it. Also, the toxic-masculinity idea that a hockey player couldn't be taken advantage of by some average Joe looking video coach might have also been playing into this? I'm not defending but I can see a lot of problematic things causing someone to dismiss this if the organization's culture is crap.


froggysands

I get it. I've had people argue to me that men, especially as teenagers, are so sexual that they can't be raped, even if it's a female teacher or a Catholic priest who preys on them.


elastic_psychiatrist

To be clear, I’m not justifying it, but remember that this event happened during about the most critical week the franchise had seen in more than half a century: midway through the playoffs as a Stanley cup contender. A win would change the course of the franchise for potentially a generation. If there is any logic behind not doing the right thing, it is not the defense of a single person, but an attempt to shield the bulk of the team from any distractions whatsoever.


katoman52

I would agree, but the team allowed Aldrich to participate in the championship festivities and even had his “day with the cup” after he was fired. I think that is more damning that their decision to hold off for a week while the playoffs finished.


spucci

So then put it off for like a week. Not cover it up completely. What a bunch of dumbasses.


_mike_hunt

You know what else can change the course of a franchise? Covering up an alleged sexual assault.


elastic_psychiatrist

You’ll find that sadly it will not change the course of the franchise.


enkidu_johnson

In part because many (most?) fans of professional sports value their home team more than decency or justice.


Chicago1871

“Im not justifying it, but let me just spend the the time it takes to write a whole paragraph to justify it!”


elastic_psychiatrist

Top notch reading comprehension skills you have there bud.


sposda

The report really did him dirty by giving a ton of identifying details. "For privacy's sake, let's call her Lisa S. No, that's too obvious. Uh, let's say L. Simpson"


mpb2001

so sad, hope he can heal and be a light to other men who don't want to talk about it


wolfie2990

Abusers can't abuse without a system and network of people allowing it or turning a blind eye.


Jbraun1220

Such courage. I am really sorry that happened to him, but good for him for not staying silent.


WhoryGilmore

> After the sexual assault — a night when Aldrich invited Beach over to supposedly watch hockey videos, then physically forced him to perform oral sex, per the investigation — Aldrich’s previous threats kept Beach quiet. I haven't been paying that close attention to this but I had only heard about the dry humping so far. Is this new info or known?


AntifaSuperSoaker69

Known. The athletic reported on it a while ago. It's paywalled, so here's a summary. https://patch.com/illinois/chicago/every-guy-blackhawks-knew-alleged-sexual-assault-report


katoman52

The details were recently released in the full report. Not sure it matters but from my understanding Aldrich performed the oral sex on Beach, and then did the previously known dry humping.


cubbsfann1

I also read a report that he forced him with a bar to stay still while threatening him and ejaculated on him. Truly psychotic stuff


leo_aureus

Hope that Cup was worth it, because the entire Blackhawks organization is saying that it is worth... well, just about anything...


iced_gold

I'm sure the majority of fans will endorse that as well. Just watch the attendance. I doubt there will be much of a tailoff in their numbers.


rdldr1

I saw his interview and the pain in his eyes speaks volumes.


Paper_Rain

That interview was tough to watch. My heart broke for him seeing another human have to go through what he did. So much suffering.


Joliet_Jake_Blues

Why isn't this national news? [Why isn't the league canceling games?](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/01/national-womens-soccer-league-cancels-games-following-abuse-claims.html) Why do we ignore sexual assault of men?


thisisme1221

Don’t worry we ignore sexual assault of women all the time too


spacesketball

Yeah this man really thought he made some “gotcha” point. No NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL execs are stepping down because their players sexually assault women. We’d have no front office personnel left at this point women are sexually assaulted so often.


Thought-O-Matic

Sports attracts those types the higher you get.


froggysands

Because we ignore the sexual assault of women? I don't mean to be flip, because it's bad no matter the gender of the victim. But I think that as a society, we got so used to downplaying women's complaints that it turned into downplaying all complaints.


Tearakan

Yeah sadly this is not an uncommon thing. Women's gymnastics ignored it, that school with the monster paterno ignored it etc.


CorpsKernel

How many games in professional sports have been canceled because a player raped a woman? I'm fascinated that you seem to be so worried about it happening to a man and not getting the attention it deserves where it's all over the news with broad coverage where most women get ignored entirely, victim shamed, or gaslit to try and convince them that it was their own fault. What happened here was terrible, but it already has more coverage than 99.9% of other sexual assaults so your argument about it being ignored doesn't make any sense.


MrMiniscus

In my experience,hockey players are the most cro magnon of all the athletes.


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truthinlies

sexual stimulation doesn't care if its rape or not


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