I really think these need to be stronger. Like, this seems like a lot of drawbacks. I feel like the second ability should add two mana normally,, and 3 mana if you pass the check.


That could be too strong. But I agree, these are weak


Not too strong. See the cycle of lands such as [[fetid heath]]


The only thing these seem to have over the filter lands is the generic activation cost. Combined with the Legendary type, I’d say these are on par with [[Unknown Shores]] in power level, and it’s not like that’s a high bar.


[Unknown Shores](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/9/492181e4-5825-45d4-b8a1-37f29c32a845.jpg?1581481287) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unknown%20Shores) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/249/unknown-shores?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/492181e4-5825-45d4-b8a1-37f29c32a845?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


[fetid heath](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/3/83583d80-35e9-4a39-839f-d01197a474e2.jpg?1650425168) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=fetid%20heath) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/401/fetid-heath?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/83583d80-35e9-4a39-839f-d01197a474e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Giving any land the ability to ramp is scary. I don’t think the filtering part is really the problem. It’s if it generates three mana for {1}{T}.


What aboit your choice of 2


Legendary is a massive drawback for lands, *especially* ones that just add mana (and not in massive amounts). A legendary creature, once it hits the ground, will often die in a few turns. It's rare for a second copy to be *useless*. It might be less than ideal, but it will eventually have a use. A legendary land, on the other hand, is rarely ever useful. At most you'll get an extra mana from it, but when you drop one of these onto the field it'll probably be there at the end of the game. So legendary lands are rough to play as four ofs.


Nah what you propose is too strong. Have them enter tapped. Make 1 R or 1 G free and also make 2R or 2G free as long as condition is met


These are pretty much just weaker versions of the lorwyn filter lands like [[cascade bluffs]] . If you aren't going to give your lands another ability then they need to tap for a net positive amount of colored mana without restriction for them to be even remotely playable.


[cascade bluffs](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/2/8249778c-d6ea-4a88-90ed-649ff332ffdc.jpg?1650424931) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cascade%20bluffs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/390/cascade-bluffs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8249778c-d6ea-4a88-90ed-649ff332ffdc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


I agree these could be pushed a little more. It's a worse [[Unknown Shores]] in until you jump through hoops in which case it's a worse [[Fire-Lit Thicket]] et all. However I don't think we should push the mana if you don't meet the condition, I would just make it add 3 if you do meet it.


[Unknown Shores](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/9/492181e4-5825-45d4-b8a1-37f29c32a845.jpg?1581481287) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unknown%20Shores) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/249/unknown-shores?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/492181e4-5825-45d4-b8a1-37f29c32a845?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Fire-Lit Thicket](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/9/1927d645-ca43-4b8e-9932-7e70acca7aa6.jpg?1599710453) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fire-Lit%20Thicket) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/317/fire-lit-thicket?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1927d645-ca43-4b8e-9932-7e70acca7aa6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Flavor text a bit on the nose innit.