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[Spoilers all] [maybe?] Hawke

[Spoilers all] [maybe?] Hawke

volantredx

No, that's sort of the point. Hawke isn't anyone special, they rise due to a combination of luck and talent. They also fail a lot due to this. They are not a destined hero or the scion of a great house. They're basically a mercenary who has to deal with the world falling apart and thus lacks the agency or authority that the rest of the heroes do.


TJRex01

This was part of the appeal of DA2 -- no "chosen one", no ancient evil, just people. I think pretty much everyone liked this idea, and how much you like DA2 depends on how will you think they executed it.


morrowindnostalgia

That’s precisely why I loved DA2 with all my heart. It was just so down to earth. Normal people stuck in a bad situation making tough decisions.


ThedosianTheologist

All of the comments above. Everything is so personal. I don't need Hawke to have a gimmick. And the purple Hawke personality I went with is hilarious.


River46

i mean the warden kinda became a warden through happan stance for the most part they werent pedestined or choosen neither was the inqiusitor who could have been replaced by some random mage or templar at the summit


whisky_t_fox

I see what you're saying, all three started as normal people but what makes Hawke different is they didn't have the extra leg up (if you want to see it that way) of the Warden abilities or the Anchor. They didn't have the treaties or the allies of whole societies or nations, they weren't thrust into positions of saving the fucking world (if pressed). Hawke was just a normal bloke doing what they could when they saw something needed to be done - however reluctantly or angrily. They relied on the friendships (and/or rivalries) of a crafty businessman/author, a runaway slave, an unscrupulous pirate captain, a Dalish blood mage, a radical apostate mage/terrorist, the Captain of the Guard, their potentially problematic sibling... and their dog. And given the fact that this world basically says the Maker actually exists, I wouldn't take "destiny" off the table for any of these characters.


ophaus

A humorous Hawke talking to themself after the Chantry scene if have no companions... is the funniest the series has ever been. Love that Hawke.


lookabovehishead

Aside from being a powerful mage or a good warrior/rogue then I don't think so. That's kind of what I liked about Hawke in comparison though, it wasn't *just* circumstance that made them important - They built themselves up from nothing to be able to do what they did.


cappyfish

What's special about Hawke is that they are nobody special, lol\~ It's through their hard work that they built a reputation for themselves, earned back their family's title, and gathered some of the most interesting and unique people in Kirkwall to be their friends/rivals thorough the sheer power of their luck and charisma. There is around a 10-year gap between the end of the Fifth Blight in DAO and the start of Inquisition, iirc.


Belantine_Crow

And then... Three(?) Year's from the start of Inquisition to the end of Trespasser? So something like 13-14 years, counting the start of DAO


Il_Exile_lI

Dragon Age Origins begins in 9:30 and takes place over the course of about a year. Dragon Age 2 begins in 9:30 as well, Act 3 takes place in 9:37. Cassandra's interrogation of Varric takes place in 9:40. Inquisition begins in 9:41 and takes place over the course of about a year. Trespasser takes place in 9:44.


superiojango

Well... They have a family! Wait, no... Not by the end of Act 2, not. What about a Mabari? No, the Warden had one too. And they could give him collars and makeup. A mansion? No... The Inquisitor has a castle, that's so much better. Hawke stopped a Qunari invasion, sure no one else has done... For fuck's sake, the Inquisitor did that too. Hawke killed a dragon... Forget it. Varric, Hawke has... That damned Inquisitor stole Varric from Hawke. A book was written about... A sketchy, mysterious mage that betrays them at the end... Or a flirty companion that... What about that white, chantry and suave Chantry boy... A companion that's possessed by... An elf with ties to the Eluv... A red head compa... A strong, independent woman who's a roma... Yeah, what does Hawke have?


TheCleverestIdiot

A trauma conga line unequaled by any other Bioware protagonist.


luceafar1

Lmao I love this


Toshi_Nama

You *can* pull off a similar conga line, if you play Cousland, romance Alistair, and no one does the DR...


TheCleverestIdiot

Ah, but Cousland still ultimately succeeds in their goal of saving the world from the Blight. Hawke doesn't even get to keep a city saved.


Bazzza33

Hmm Jade Empires fella rivals him what with everyone hes ever known either betraying him or dying for him Shepard can be as bad if you miff the final missions of ME 2 lol but cradling the Frankensteined remains of your tortured mother as she literally falls apart into meat in your hands is about as dark as bioware gets...


tkenben

Yeah. Sort of like a John McClane from Die Hard (if you play sarcastic Hawke).


TotallyNotAWarden

family, eh? Does Hawke live life a quarter mile at a time? 😅


Bazzza33

He can learn specialized skills without training. Neither of the other 2 could do that, he is a snarky savant


Lorihengrin

Hawke is a sexual orientation.


Belantine_Crow

Must be, Hawke can bang anyone in the party


Kerlysis

Define 'special'. If you mean physically, in Legacy Hawke being Malcolm's kid means they can open the prison with their blood.


Belantine_Crow

Blood seal huh? Fair enough By special, I mean anything that makes Hawke stand out from anyone else, preferably physical Like, nobody else has The Anchor and only Wardens can kill Archdemons, or at least, nobody else does?


Kerlysis

Hawke is an extremely powerful fighter on their own, but most of their significance comes from their personal relationships, wealth, deeds, fame, and political power. Like a mini Inquisition where Hawke gains influence and power over the years. Or the allies the Warden gains over the course of the game. They don't have the specific gimmick that the Warden or the Herald have, other than that one DLC, but otherwise they are similar.


Delicious_Touch8884

That's not right as well since there were actually many people who helped to keep Corypheus sealed in his prison, and the only reason Malcolm was chosen was cause he was an apostate who was in the Free Marches. So that's not special for Hawke as well.


thats1evildude

No. Hawke is just a regular person, albeit an extremely skilled fighter and capable leader.


Belantine_Crow

I thought so, yeah


Affectionate_Track11

Capable leader...?


Belantine_Crow

Well. He does unite basically the whole city right? I mean sure, The Warden did that to half of Ferelden and The Inquisitor to half of Thedas. But still


thats1evildude

Hawke manages to forge a pack of lunatics into a pretty effective fighting unit. That speaks to their leadership skills. 🤪


CountrysideLassy

"Where are we going? How should I know? Do I look like the leader of this merry band of misfits?" - Hawke's line if you interact with him/her as any other companion


WaylanderL

All the protagonists from Dragon Age have been average joes who do the impossible... Only the Inquisitor had something physically special about them in that random luck gave them the anchor. The Hero of Fereldan was conscripted to the Wardens sort of last minute. But being a Warden did little to make him special. Hawke is another random guy/girl who becomes the Champion of Kirkwall by defeating a Qunari invasion and saving the city from mage/templar war.


TheCleverestIdiot

Hawke has nothing like that. It's kind of why I liked their story, it's much more of a personal story.


Uthermiel

Not really. The point the Hawke was be a protagonist that deal with the "normal" problems of Thedas. No Archdemon, no Ancient Magister or Bald Elf trying to change/destroy the world. Just the extremes of social standing, cultural differences, religion, morality and mage/templars.


Belantine_Crow

Hawke did fight/kill Coryfish though But, yes. I see your point


doxtorwhom

Attitude and confidence mainly. Especially if they’re purple Hawke. I guess there’s the connection to Flemeth to some degree. I personally consider Flemeth a close friend to my Hawkes.


Belantine_Crow

I feel like Flemeth is more "It'll be way more interesting if he succeeds."


GothamInGray

Nope. That's kind of the whole vibe. Hawke just kind of... fell into much larger events than themselves and wound up at the center of it. They're just trying to give their family a good life.


The_Septic_Shock

If you play as a human mage in origins, they are related to Hawke's family iirc


Belantine_Crow

Really? Huh. I'm gonna hazard a guess and say Trevelyan's aren't related to Hawke or Human Mage Warden?


The_Septic_Shock

The human mage Warden is an Amell, they are cousins to be exact


Belantine_Crow

Oh, so they're closely related too


The_Septic_Shock

Yeah, cool tidbit. I played an all-mage run of the series and it was honestly my favorite.


Belantine_Crow

I didn't really like Mages in Origins, but 2 and Inquisition were cool. It does sound good though


YekaHun

https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/9xtkj7/spoilers_all_how_da_characters_are_related_to/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


Belantine_Crow

Interesting. Gracias


YekaHun

Trevelyan is related to Dorian


Belantine_Crow

Oh, that makes a Dorian romance weird


YekaHun

😆 it's super distant


Belantine_Crow

I'm not from Alabama. An Elf, Dwarf or Qunari on the other hand. They can go for Lord Pavus I know someone who's something like my fourth cousin, I wouldn't go for them, mainly because of that


YekaHun

know nothing about Alabama, sorry but Dorian and Trevelyan connection is so that their families are DISTANTLY related, they are not cousins or anything.


Belantine_Crow

You've never heard "Sweet home Alabama" before? Regardless, Dorian will never have a Trevelyan romance from me again


YekaHun

Haven't heard. But feel free to romance or not whoever you want.


Taashaaaa

Hawke seems particularly good at finding trouble.


Bazzza33

"well now that we have escaped the darkspawn we can settle here in kirkwall and get back to being a normal family" A few years later he's at the centre of the mage/templar war and taking down Corypheus and has a body count in the quadruple digits as he battles the animated remains of the circle of mages, duels the head of the qunari military and fights the first red lyrium superhuman for control of the city Yeah his super power is attracting serious shit.


Belantine_Crow

That's just every protagonist ever


Taashaaaa

But the Warden and Quizzy's trouble all comes from the roles they take on. Hawke is just living her life but trouble just seems to keep finding her.


Belantine_Crow

True. But that would also fit for ME1 Shepard, wouldn't it? Regardless, trouble seems to find everyone, including the companions


Taashaaaa

Shep is more like the Warden and Quizzy, her role as Spectre (and then interacting with the beacon) is how she ends up right in the middle of trouble. Basically those 3 have all taken on the role of world saviour while Hawke isn't involved in anything that grand. I think it's really refreshing to play as someone who isn't saving the world for a change.


Belantine_Crow

Wasn't Shep just a person before ME1?


Taashaaaa

Shep is an elite soldier and candidate for first human Spectre at the start of the game. Her vision from the beacon in the first mission is the event that pushes her into the centre of things I suppose.


Belantine_Crow

Ah. It's been a while since I played it


CountrysideLassy

I mean... From my point of view none of them are inherently special. The HoF becomes a Grey Warden through a series of unfortunate events that forced them to leave their home in every single origin story. The Inquisitor just walked in at the most unfortunate moment and got bonked by magic. Same goes for Hawke, their whole rise to the title of Champion revolves around being at the wrong place at the wrong time


Belantine_Crow

Ah yes "bonked by magic"


Bazzza33

Yeah the Inquisitor has the anchor, but its not really all that impressive its just a tool to close rifts mostly. He is elevated as a symbol by people around him. The Warden doesnt have anything much going for them except huge warden balls, they get famous and elevated from their actions. Hawke is just a talented dude who cant for the life of him find any peace. All 3 are somewhat subversions on the 'chosen hero' trope in their own way


Pugsanity

Hawke's just somebody in the wrong place at the right time. Nothing about them is inherently special, they're just the only one who is around who can fix the situation.


Iliana_Kadra

Hawke has their wily, wily ways to do things, but I don’t know if that makes them special. Right or wrong time and circumstances made them Champion. Also DA:O starts in 9:30 Dragon and DA:I Trespasser DLC takes place in 9:44 Dragon.


Belantine_Crow

Ah. Gratzie


Escipio

A personality


Savaralyn

Nothing inherently special about Hawke, no. They were basically just the rags to riches adventure hero who got stuck in a cursed ass city. Their main attribute is just that they're a skilled fighter. Also for the timeline thing, I think its been around 14 years, including Trespasser.


Agent-Z46

That's sort of the point of his character. A Fereldan who came up from nothing. The closest to 'special' he can get is being a Mage but even then he's just one of many


Coast_watcher

Yeah, in my canon, Hawke was the Human Commoner origin that was shelved. Their path took them away from eventually being a Warden, although their sibling could still end up as one.


Aquaswan

Not at first. Hawke is just a regular person until the Legacy DLC, where their blood is needed. But even then, the same could be true for the twins, and all of them are only special in that way because of Malcom.


30-06Rifle

The only thing that I can remember is that his father locked away coriphious.


kkrMalinka

Yeah, I never understood why Cassandra would say things like, "If anyone could do it, it would be them," or "Hawke was our only hope." Why? I understand Hawke played a pretty important role in things over the last ten years of Kirkwall dragging itself through shit, but that's really a completely different thing than being the best candidate for Inquisitor or some symbolic figure for the people of southern Thedas. I remember when I started DA: Inquisition for the first time, having skipped DA2 as a result of leaving the games for some years, I thought Hawke had gained some kind of incredible abilities/powers over the course of DA2. That was based mostly on promo material, synopses, the presentation of them in Inquisition, compared to the first half hour or so I played of DA2 on a friend'scomputer once. It was rather underwhelming in that regard, to be honest, when I finally played DA2 for the first time (setting aside DA2 controversy).


Uber_4_yuh

Hawke's story was filled with so much betrayal and loss, and that's probably my favorite thing about him/her. They're human, they started from nothing and worked for everything, and even though they repeatedly had things fall back down on them, they never let it crush them. They don't have some divine calling or city backing that they can fall on, they have themselves. Strongest character of the entire series, if I'm being honest.


Bazzza33

It's implied hes very talented and smart and a natural leader. But thats about it, golden child maybe and pretty lucky (comparatively) but a normal dude with some cool titles His ability to learn specialzations without training is pretty unique lol and I swear his kill count is like 5x the other 2, he kills 2 dozen people everytime he goes for a walk (replaying DA 2 after DAI is hilarious because the way mobs are treated dramatically changed, you can take down 10 people with a single AOE very easily and most basic fights see you kill dozens of people, presumably its just Varic trying to he exciting)


Belantine_Crow

Oh yeah. I forgot you aren't *actually* playing through things as they happened. You're playing Varric's retelling


Bazzza33

Lol thats how I explain the sheer murderousness of DA2, I dont think Hawke had to butcher 30 carta thugs every time he went for a stroll Cassandra "and then what did you and the champion do" Varric "well we had to head to lowtown for a bit" Cassandra looks bored Varric "... and then a dozen assassins leapt at us from the shadows and it was a bloodbath" Cassandra gets super interested


Belantine_Crow

No, no Varric "We were attacked by two dozen assassins." Cassandra, unimpressed and not believing "Really?" Varric "Then Hawke snapped his fingers and killed all of them."


evanjames123

The Champion


Affectionate_Track11

Personally I think (s)he is just a glorified mercenary tbh, could never connect with my f!Hawke


Belantine_Crow

I say he because it's the default world state for Inquisition


wthrudoin

They did need Hawke family blood to open Corypheus's prison so if Bethany or Carver were both dead at that point they would be the only one available.


Belantine_Crow

Well, I've learned that The Warden can be related to Hawke, so theoretically, their blood would work too?


wthrudoin

No, the warden is related to Leandra while his father was the one who used their blood to strengthen the wards. Only relatives of Malcolm Hawke will do.


Belantine_Crow

Ahh


Just-Ash

hes champ


Aivellac

Origins begins in 9:30 Dragon and Trespasser happens in 9:44 Dragon so we have covered a total of 14 years in Thedas.


Slade187

Initially no, they were supposed to be a normal person that tried their best. Then the Legacy DLC gave him extremely powerful blood, able to seal away an old god. EDIT: a magister with the POWER of an old god, sorry