How to show your wealth in 2021.
By - Dixen_Cider
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I hope you started it with gasoline soaked toilet paper
It’s not about the money, it’s about sending a message
I think you'd appreciate "Ass Pennies". Just look it up.
Do you think you're better than me? You pick my ass pennies up for good luck. You throw them into fountains and make wishes on them.
One of my all time favorite sketches. I've got the upper hand.
I randomly remember that sketch all the time. Particularly when handling pennies. Bless the internet that I was able to confirm it was real and show others a few years back.
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Wood men just want to watch the world burn.
Kindling was GPU's
The ultimate flex
And used some 9mm to light it
This comment deserves a medal. Sadly, I’m poor. Best I can do 🏅
>Sadly, I’m poor
Let me guess: you just built a deck?
Don't forget Schaeffer's New Zealand Style Deck Sealant
Bless his heart
You can also use hand sanitizer for the ultimate fire starter
Nah, everyone has that now and it's dirt cheap.
Is lumber really expensive in the USA right now?
250% increase in the last year. SMH.
And let me tell you... For people who lost their homes in the wildfires that raged all along the west coast last year, it *suuuucks*
It’s time for bricks and cement instead of wooden houses for Americans I guess.
Bricks aren't historically a good plan on the west coast, because they don't handle earthquakes very well. I'm not sure if there have been changes to that equation, though.
Depends on how you build the house, unreinforced bricks are screwed but if you build a house more similarly to how you'd build an apartment building they'll do much better
Yeah like in Australia where they used super highly flammable cladding!
Should have just used asbestos, I hear that shits FLAME proof and even used in space craft! Plus people are willing to PAY you to take it from them! Sounds like an incredible material!
I don't know about Australia, but in Germany they found some apartment buildings with the same issues that caused the [Grenfell Tower](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower) catastrophe.
I assume many other places checked their residential towers for flammable isolation, too.
Well holy shit..
It's banned now.
And the government is spending money removing it from all the buildings. Government doesn't publicize it as they don't want fire bugs targeting the buildings that are having it removed.
Conspiracy nutters still think the cities are all going to burn but the big problem is being sorted.
I live in a country where we have a lot of earthquakes and all the houses are made of brick, mostly because of the hot climate also most houses won't even suffer any noticeable damage unless there's a magnitude 6 or higher and they happen buts it's really no that often.
Yeah, looking around it seems they've figured out safe ways to do this. Not really sure why it's not used more widely, though I can say the stigma around it is definitely alive and well. I didn't even realize this consciously until I was living in the Midwest around a lot of brick buildings. They put me on edge, and I had to really think about it to figure out *why*.
Wood and cardboard are cheap.
Not anymore they're not.
Point taken: were cheap.
I'm from Mexico City, a city built on top of a lake, and that also has a lot of seismic activity to boot. Our house is built of rebar-reinforced concrete for loadbearing structure, with bricks used for interior walls and facades. It keeps cool, and has withstood both the 2017 and 85 earthquakes
In France we have mini quakes regularly but the building norms are insane. Not sure how strong an earthquake they are intended for but the document is about 200 pages long (Eurocode 8).
I need you to know you started a several hour YouTube rabbit hole about the cascadia earthquake.
Erm...look at the Japanese? Am kinda sure they have more earthquakes and have brick buildings and apartments.
Might be completely off the mark though.
They are not built from brick. The structure in Japan is usually steel (rebar) reinforced poured concrete. The bricks are just a facade to dress up boring grey concrete.
Japan has never constructed a significant portion of it’s buildings out of brick.
Brick buildings do exist but they are rare, the ones you see are generally just a brick facade.
Most buildings in Japan are either timber framed or reinforced concrete, with the exception of steel framed skyscrapers.
Cement houses are great for earthquakes though.
Yeah, that's just not true... I live in Mexico City (a city that has a 6+ earthquake like every 2 months) and most of the buildings are made with brick and mortar.
The fact that a lot of people died in the last earthquake is not because of that fact, it's because this is a really corrupt city and building permits and regulations are laughably bad and can be bought for the right amount.
Do you guys have steel frame houses over there?
No, but usually some sort of concrete or porous concrete blocks.
The roof usually does contain some wood, and if you have a more luxurious house your door/window framing will be made of wood instead of plastic/metal.
This is the case for the Netherlands.
Still need interior framing lumber, flooring lumber, roof sheathing and ceiling joists, etx
Bricks arent cheap either
Air filter. Air conditioner. Run them on blast.
Their insurance companies are also not too happy about it.
Their insurance companies are vultures that hide behind the policy maximums that are woefully insufficient for the situation.
I agree. They also still haven't made any payments to many people just because they're still trying to determine "accurate amounts". ...all while those price tags keep rolling up and up and up and up. Lol. Imo,they get what they deserve.
Which is SO FUCKING STUPID!
As far as my home goes, I can expect/budget for other repairs. If I can't, they're still expected.
Act of god, and human malice/stupidity, is why we need insurance
Those fuckers never really pay anything. It's a fucking racket.
In the US, all insurance is a racket. I challenge anyone to provide an explanation of why insurance is privatized, other than it's profitable.
In the US, you'd be hard pressed to choose which insurance is the biggest buttfuck relative to actual risk.
They should have to prove a god exists in order to claim that the god did it.
Hard to claim "act of God" when it's been proven that these fires were started by man-made electrical equipment (or in one case, a fucking gender reveal). Yet I wouldn't put it past insurance companies to find a way.
Electrical equipment you say? Sorry, your wildfire insurance doesn't include electrical damage.
If there's one thing insurance companies hate the most in the world, it's doing their one job after which they got their name.
Someone rolls a 10 or move this damn robber please!
First I'm hearing of it, do you know when it is expected to improve? I was really hoping to get to some woodworking projects this summer.
Just as an example, a yellow pine 2x4 in my area from a big box store is around 2.50 16-18 months ago, now, it's around 7.50. Cedar was 11.50 last time I checked.
Woods used for woodworking haven't been affected as much as building materials.
I'm admittedly still kind of a novice, I have been using woodworking to denote anything I do with wood, be that carving or building a piece of furniture or something like that. Is this not the proper use of the term?
What the fuck
A lot of the sawmills shut down after the housing market bust of 2008.
The ones left were devastated by COVID, were short-staffed, and with that, and business shutdowns, they're behind the ball trying to keep up with demand.
Also shipping SNAFUs have been rampant across the world.
Not only the USA. They have started to import more European lumber so prices have hiked over here, too. A family I know had to postpone their moving plans because their new home won't be ready in time because of the lumber shortage.
Lots of places. Here in Aus too. Lots of new construction and people renovating.
Here in Germany there are massive deficits too. Wood, insulation and even copper cables. Construction workers currently have to work reduced hours because they can't get materials, while their order books are full.
The pandemic has really weird effects I must say.
Price of lumber has doubled here in Norway, much due to increased exports. My mom works in construction (engineering), and if this goes on for a while, it's not unlikely that she might get reduced work too.
The lumber prices in Germany are off the charts as well. All while whole forests off bark beetle infested pine are cut down. All the wood is going to China and the US. In some places you can't even buy lumber at 400% markup. It simply has been shipped overseas already.
I think the issue is global.
Covid has people concentrated on their homes, hence building stuff and things.
Then there is some beetle infestation in Canadian forests, so shortages in that direction.
And I think that Russia still has some trade embargo on their lumber (to west), so no "help" from there either.
Even here in Finland with our traditional lumber industry, we have seen 10-20% rise on consumer prices and exports are better than ever.
And then on top of all the things you mentioned are lumber mills closing down due to Covid and choking supply. So market wise you have a big boost in demand and at the same time a big decline in supply. The worst combination for consumers.
Hey. That stuff doesn’t just grow in trees, you know.
Wait! It does. Why is it so damn expensive then?
I gotta rewatch that series again
Malcolm in the middle
Someone's gotta pay to get it out. You think the money for that grows on trees?
If you own a citrus farm, money does grow on trees.
Well... Considering it's made of cotton and Linen in the US... I don't think it does grow on trees.
It's one of the rarest things in our universe. And we can't synthesize it and currently we use more than we replace.
If there’s one constant it’s planks
Why are so wise in the ways of science?
For that pun, you have been sentenced to DEATH by Snu-Snu.
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.
That's a beautiful pun! :D
Lumber hauling trucker here. I swear I get followed through towns sometimes by contractors, just to see where I'm delivering.
Jesus christ that's like... (*runs the numbers*) dozens of 2x4s!
I'm working on some architectural software rn, and got singled out as a "bloody euro" who doesn't know that 2x4's are actually 1.5x3.5 :D
Thats gotta be 3 or 4 sheets of 5/8ths plywood
I'm working on a project right now and ordered 4 2'x4' 1/2" fine thickness plywood sheets. Wearing knee pads to soften the blow when "they" show up with the bill.
*9mm ammo enters the chat*
> police are aware of an increase in lumber theft activity most notably in the north-central and deep south and southeast areas of the city where new construction activity is high.
"So yeah, lumber thefts are up pretty much everywhere. It's fucked and prices are out of control. Don't say it like that though. Put some spin on it."
>where new construction activity is high
So basically lumber gets stolen from places that have lumber
In locations where both the supply is high (exists), and the demand is high.
Get a buddy and get “held up” & lose the load.
To the US massive stockpiles that are 90% full with only a handful of trucks leaving, keeping prices high.
Doubt you get any of the incredibly high profits those companies are seeing now...
I am making what I made before all of this started. I do know the yard I pull from is not anywhere near 90%, but I can't speak for the production facilities.
I currently work in a lumber yard and used to work at Home Depot's supplier of Doug fir and treated products for the western United States. Still friends with many of the people that still work there.
I can tell you in full confidence that suppliers are not sitting on product.
At the Mill I worked at, Mendocino Forest Products, they do the whole process themselves. They farm the trees on land they own or have contracts with those landowners their trees are on, they Mill those same trees, and they distribute those trees to home Depot.
You can drive by their yard and see their inventory of logs from the street so it may look like they're sitting on it. But theyre logs. They haven't even been milled yet. It's a long process to get from a whole ass tree to a 2x6.
I was talking to my old boss last week about all this stuff. It's just a fucked up cocktail of events that happened to fall one after another. When covid hit they went a skeleton crew where they had to, but all the health restrictions made it difficult to keep production up. Covid happened to hit as construction was starting to heat up so the summer did a number on their inventory, because they weren't able to keep up. They've been playing catch up ever since.
Similar thing happened to a major supplier of OSB on the East coast, a couple facilities got destroyed in a storm. Now they're back up and running in some manor, but they're months behind.
The prices started to skyrocket because of the supply and demand issue, and other factors such as new regulations and all that shit. But they kinda grew a life of their own in a way. They will come back down in time. Whether that's by a market crash or they just naturally start to find their way down I don't know.
Isnt that partly what happened with the scarcity with PS5s and computer chips? People were not able to predict how much inventory they will need with the pandemic and everyone being at home and they also were low in manpower for the same reason so supply was affected.
Yep - companies predicted a long-term economic slump so cut orders, instead there was a brief production dip while East Asian countries were locked down then everyone started working from home and realised their dusty old PC wouldn't cut it, and given they can't get out much a new console sounds nice...
I heard that Nvidia and AMD actually ordered more chips than they normally do. So while other industries expected a slump, like the automotive industry, the computer industry foresaw an increase. But even their estimates were far below reality.
A bold claim requires solid evidence...
Sounds like it’s time for the heist of our lives, *racks shotgun*
The movie is called "BOARD GAMES" OR IM NOT WATCHING IT!
In a World that has gone from planking to having a hard-on for planed wood.
From the Director of "Saw"
Comes a lumbering story of a group of thieves about to pull off the ultimate heist.
Starring Woody Harrelson and Justin Timberlake
You son-of-a-bitch, I’m in.
Can you just accept they don't have it or raise prices because of short supply? I mean we just went through the biggest logistics collapse in recent history and are still picking up the pieces. The world stacked itself on a house of cards of global shipments moving products *just in time*, and when the 2020 event that I don't even have to name happened, it crippled shipping worldwide.
That's what is fucking things. There isn't a secret ammo cabal or gas council or processor managing rogue AI that secretly fixed prices around the world.
It's simple supply and demand. Supply tanked like the Titanic because of covid shutting down shipping/transport, factories/manufacturing, logistics, and touched every affiliated industry in the world. Simultaneously, the effects of covid caused demand explosions in these industries. Lockdown panic shorted TP, the four crisis (health/political/economic/civil) shorted guns and ammo, the tourism steep decline led to more funds in home projects and ownership shorting building supplies. Even localized we saw this. The Texas ice storm in *February* caused plumbing shortages for weeks on end. Plumbing companies were booked months out and could name whatever price they wanted.
Cherish what you have and hold on to it. The storm may be over, but now we have to pick up the pieces and wait until things return to normal.
Supply and demand. Economics at a simple level show a low supply and high demand raises cost. And because of the above, we are seeing both stretch up the price.
All I know is I have 40 acres of timber that isn't super ideal and is a bit hard to get to, and no timber companies are interested. I find that... incongruous. It's 25 year growth, just not immaculate.
I have been reconsidering the use as I've learned more about the carbon cycle of cutting and replanting versus just leaving it to grow old (turns out dead roots after a cut release a lot of carbon, so the old logic about this being a great way to sequester carbon is not so accurate), but it's still baffling to me.
25 years is T3 timber for structural pine boards. It's also going to depends if you did the first and second thinning, then regular factors like diameters, etc.
Hard to diagnose at a distance, but IMHO it's mostly going to be used as pulp wood and only a small amount of small-sized framing timber.
It's not the raw tree supply or lumberjack side of things that is supposedly backed up and the cause of the price spike, it's the mill side.
Mill production atm is down a lot due to covid.
There aren’t massive stockpiles…
There's a shortage in Europe too, this ain't some corrupt shit.
They must be super rich. You still can see the ashes of the burnt toilet paper rolls of 2020. Ah, those were the days!
Definitely one of the most memorable to tell our grandchildren.
Grandma: *...and when we went to the store all the toilet paper was GONE.*
Grandchildren : screams of terror *ahhhhhhh!!!!!!*😱
I don’t get it
Lumber costs are astronomical right now.
What should be a $30 sheet of plywood is $75 right now.
Is lumber/plywood something the average American buys? I still don't understand it.
For home improvement? Yes.
Oh, true, americans make their houses with wood
In North America, generally bricks are used in the east, and wood in the west. Both have their pros and cons. Wood is better in places where earthquakes occur, like the west coast, because it bends instead of breaking.
Conversely, in the east, we are fully protected from wolves.
We still use wood on the East - all the framing and stuff is all wood with brick or vinyl siding exterior.
> generally bricks are used in the east
The vast majority of new construction and remodel in the east will also be wood based.
Eh, as a life-long East coster, hardly any new construction is brick. You see a lot of brick when you go to the older neighborhoods.
For houses that is. Some newer larger buildings are brick.
The only “bricks” in the east are plastered to a plywood wall framed with timber.
I’m building a chicken coop and bought all the wood this week. For what will be a small coop for 4 chickens, I’ve spent $400 (so far)
It's affecting Americans disproportionately, but many people in Europe buy lumber too, to do just about everything... Fences, decks, furnitures, various home improvement and DIYs ...
That's the guy from ed, edd and eddy! Poor thing
Wow, he really grew up after grade school.
Enjoy your weekend, Mr Bezos!!
My best friend plank
At least they aren't burning Log. It's big, it's heavy, it's wood!
It's better than bad, it's good!
THAT WAS GOOD WOOD NOOOOOOOOOO
Measure once. Cut twice. Burn once.
2021 equivalent of burning 100 dollar bills
You know there’s starving lumberjacks in China right?
I hope the wood untreated, Borate will fuck up your lungs.
Seriously thought this comment would be higher up in the thread because my first thought was "that's not safe, even for the lulz"
I believe I am out of the loop
Apparently woods very expensive right now
I would never do that with my wood.
Someone please explain like I’m 5
Wood is super expensive rn
Had a BR reno done 2 yrs ago. The rising cost of wood easily added another 1000 to the cost of materials; and that was before everything got more expensive.
Thank you for asking, I had no idea as well
2021 version of “making it rain “
Doesn’t that stuff get treated with arsenic?
Treated lumber yes, that’s just untreated pine.
CCA has been banned since 2003, it's almost all MCA, ACQ, or CA, no arsenic
this guy acronyms
Just so you know, an acronym is pronounceable, like SCUBA, for those things that aren't pronounced the way they are spelt it's called an initialism.
Although I have no problem with you pronouncing any/all of the combos above :P
Buddy I have no idea what that means
Its basically copper and a fungicide- the same kind use in swimming pools.
Well the BSA has MOD on FAQ and it only FGT's when combined with THG.
This message brought to you by acronyms that dont mean anything to anybody.
But you might know them better as ATDMATA.
But you have to light it with 9mm ammunition, to truly assert dominance
Atleast u left the barcode on it just in case u have to return 2021 lol
Bullshit. Where's the ammo and graphics card?
*sobs in my two biggest hobbies becoming stupid expensive*
Those legs are tripping me out.
That 2x6 was $24!
Is there a shortage of wood where you live or something? Either I'm out of the loop, or this isn't internationally relevant, or both.
I have a garage full of lumber. I am now Jeff Bezos but with wood.
Part of a kiln-dried 2x6x92-5/8 stud from home depot at that, fancy
THANK YOU!!! Regular ass pine , NOT TREATED!
It's "aspen", not ass-pine. And now I'm cyber stalking you. /s
Judging from the comments, it seems like everyone knows about the high wood prices. Why have I heard nothing about it before?
I’m confused… are the 30 series gpus under the wood?
Along with the next gen consoles.
Outside of doing it for the joke, there's so much that could've been done with those. We'd have left em sitting in our pile of "still good" wood for what ever they might be needed for in the future.
Yes, it is up in smoke… or it would be without my diamond hands
Now pump some 9mm rounds into them to *really* flex on your wealth
I'm from another country please explain this
ITT: DON'T BURN YOU WILL DIE! OP: UNTREATED!
Ok story time: my mam is an artist and recently she has blown up in the art world, and pieces go for crazy money. She also has incredibly high standards for herself and burns a lot of pieces. The other day, we had a bbq with some extended family and some neighbours. In the evening, I wanted to make a fire so I got out the fire pit and the wood basket. One of her pieces was in the basket so, naturally, I threw it in. The UPROAR from everyone who doesn’t regularly see her burning pieces was immense. Some tried to fish it out, some asked to keep it. Mam ended up smashing it up and putting it back in to shut everyone up. That was the most expensive fire that most people there had ever seen
Don’t burn pressure treated lumber
You can tell which dads are bad at home improvement in this thread because they think all lumber is pressure treated apparently.
That's some fine Lumber..