T O P

why cant you just cut it again??

why cant you just cut it again??

Overthrown77

it says the tunnel is SEALED, it doesn't say they put a new metal wire gate on it. By 'sealed' it could mean a variety of things that can NOT be 'cut' with a flame torch. For all you know they 'sealed' it by dumping 50 tons of giant rocks/boulders/dirt into it, making it completely impassable.


zastava_

Good thing they always make sure to unseal it and put the cuttable metal grate back after every heist


Nutwagon-SUPREME

Well I mean, how else are they meant to use it?


Soft_Collection2640

It's like when they dig up the road for no good reason and then pave it back, because why the fuck not. We all need more traffic cones in our lives


alwaysbeer

I'm getting a strong 'Falling Down' vibe.


Overthrown77

lmfaoo


Gunslinger_jr

lmfaoo


kibria99

lmfaoo


[deleted]

Sealed? Maybe it is full of shit and waste for all we know


Milpitas-throwaway-2

I think they put actual barking seals


Due-Conversation-579

Lol nice! "The tunnel has been SEALED" ARF ARF ARF ARF ARF


Milpitas-throwaway-2

You no longer **want** to cut the grate.


Due-Conversation-579

*time to die, Mr. Bond


100BottlesOfMilk

This reminds me of spaceballs


Lynata

*‘In hindsight scheduling our heist on taco tuesday might have been a mistake.‘*


SpandexMovie

*'Especially after poisoning the water supply, yes very bad'*


billy-burner-mom

Someone ate the laxatives


Jhawk163

They also could have simply shut the service entrance to it, it's probably pretty beefed up.


DoeyB

They probably sealed what you came out of at the top of the ladder instead of fixing the metal gate Plus reinstalling a new metal gate would require a lot, Even the fastest of hard working Mexicans aren’t that fast


TaikaJamppa

I think you might be onto something… but hey, it’s a Rockstar Game, so… TIME TO DIE, MISTER BOND, FOR THE LAST TIME!


Simple-but-good

Honestly that’s what I always saw in my mind when he says that, just a ton of rocks and shit being dumped I to the tunnel for some reason


InstanceMelodic7083

So they sealed the tunnel but they don’t know your there?


tujaviejavie

They do know you're there. That's why there are extra guards inbound


Nutbuddy3

Damn this guy came in through the drainage tunnels literally every single time he comes here. Should we station more guards around the entrance or maybe seal of the entrance completely? No


[deleted]

I wonder how they always coincidentally find out they’ve been robbed every time your leaving the compound. Imagine if it was a feature where u see el Rubio if u waited around for too long


Red-dy-20

Navy Sealed!


LatexOne

Dude…. I didn’t pick a silent approach to be caught before I could leave… off the cliff shoot a boatboi it is then…


coltino99

How can they seal the tunnel when you haven’t been discovered yet?


Overthrown77

I think it's supposed to sort of play as that they discovered the cut tunnel but not certain when it was cut and so they're on a heightened level of alert but haven't exactly spotted you. It's one of those things you're supposed to suspend your disbelief for


Mr_Zoovaska

i think we're supposed to suspend our disbelief for pretty much 100% of GTAO


GFPpigeon

Then removing it so they can come back right


Kurohimiko

Why can't you just keep 90% of the equipment you used? You're in an undetectable submarine with a radar cloaking device and everything you have you stole from someone else so nothing is traceable back to you. The only thing that gives away your position is the tracking device on the gear and that vanishes once you put it in the moveable sub and is more for other players than in-game use. And to top it off Los Santos is well over 2000 miles away from El Rubio's island so he can't even track direction of escape either.


CornsOnMyFeets

Thats what I said but Truthfully they just dont want us to run the heist super fast. its literally a shark card. Whether you take 15% or 85% or 100%.


Kurohimiko

That just goes to show how out-of-date shark cards truly are.


CornsOnMyFeets

The only think faster than cayo is the casino three card poker if youre winning


haberdasher42

There are casino games that aren't money holes like the blackjack?


TaikaJamppa

Both can be lucrative, if you know how to *cheese* the opposition… and I mean the AI.


Praydaythemice

i understand for CP you need to scout the cameras. but they do this annoying padding in other missions, the moc one where you steal anti aircraft trucks you need to get to the docks and watch a pointless camera cut scene every time. Same with the apc mission where you need to dive for salvage pointless padding, i mean i understand you shouldn't be able to speed run it but maybe replace it with something more engaging.


ToastyCaribiu84

Also where do tge cameras go which we scope with? There is no camera in the basement for example


ZFTX

Certain cameras in the compound are taken over when we hack the communication tower signals box, so Pavel can see us but El Rubio and his security can't.


ngugger

I'm pretty sure he means the cameras you use to scope the compound don't actually exist in the compound


Sir_Thiccness_69

Maybe they're hidden cameras


ngugger

Active camo tech cameras


billy-burner-mom

What about those 360 view cameras


Sir_Thiccness_69

Perhaps


Praydaythemice

super secret german-coloumbian stealth tech.


BARRlED

Don't forget all this logic of "being untraceable and not buying anything" is thrown out the window when you can go and buy the suppressors for $5000


RallySubbie

The description states that a friend of his works at humane labs at a suppressor prototype which is not on the market yet hence untraceable, and is offering to privately sell you a copy for 5000.


Mr_Zoovaska

that sounds very much like it would be traceable


haberdasher42

You don't need to pay for the suppressors at all if you go in drainage pipe or at night. All your guns get free silencers.


ShyKid5

What he's saying is that pavel mentions being unable to buy guns (so you gotta steal them) so we don't leave trace but then offers to sell suppressors... leaving a trace if you did. But yeah you get the suppressors if you go at nights.


TaikaJamppa

I have always bought them… and I have ALWAYS GONE AT NIGHT. 😱


ShyKid5

When you launch the mission in the selection step (where you decide entry points etc.) if you selected night you can equip the suppressors without having to buy them beforehand so you get them free lol.


thebarkbarkwoof

Really? I've done this hundreds of times and never knew that.


Arek_PL

there is also bug that you can buy supressors for free, when you start the heist and choose weapons you can choose supressors two times to get them for free


thebarkbarkwoof

Do you mean hit cancel them do it again?


Arek_PL

no, if you didnt bought suppressors you can press enter on supressors to "deselect" them then hit enter again and square will light up like if you had owned them


thebarkbarkwoof

You can't deselect on console there's a cancel/ok window


ZFTX

Suppressors come pre-equipped day or night no matter which approach vehicle and island infiltration point you use. However if you unequip them you have to pay to equip them again for that given CPH run, but then next CPH run they will be equipped again.


NoneYours

Not to mention that after the heist, they destroy all of the evidence, which would make it so you can't get to the vault, since (implied, at least) they destroy the fingerprint cloner, and according to Pavel, it's "the only one in existence". Unless they just create a new one after each robbery.


Arek_PL

the IT security guy has to make new one after we steal it, can you imagine what El Rubio would do to him if he had found out he got it stolen?


TaikaJamppa

Well, if I were the IT guy, I would probably tell my boss aftet the 100th heist… unless I was either killed or bribed to silence.


useles-converter-bot

2000 miles is about the length of 4781874.91 'EuroGraphics Knittin' Kittens 500-Piece Puzzles' next to each other


1000Bees

And if you give Mr. Rubio even one piece of the puzzle, he'll put it together. That's what Pavel keeps telling me, anyway


fitemeplz

If Mr Rubio finds even one loose end, he will strangle you with it, yes?


Arek_PL

He will ship you to the panther cage in small boxes.


Delicious_Swim5270

VERY small boxes


2006pow

That put things in perspective now


Gnomemeister69

Good bot


connormce10

Good bot


JayzRebellion15

Rockstar logic at its finest.


converter-bot

2000 miles is 3218.69 km


Elder-Rusty

Yeah I think it would’ve been cooler for the cutting torch mission to be tougher but they can be reused for multiple heists (they’d have a fuel meter)


AWibblyWelshyBoi

Like the one in singleplayer where it actually runs out when you keep it on too long?


MrGigglewiggles

It's rockstar they would of needed to put a second entry plan in if you couldn't get through the grate because you ran out of fuel


Elder-Rusty

Damn, if only the heist took place on an island with multiple entry methods, oh wait it does


Yes_is_very_No

If El Rubio find loose ends... He strangles you with it, yes? Besides, i think Merrywheater wouldn't be happy about you stealing their prototypes, guns... And there has been a strange number of Head of Security dying on thr casino on Los Santos So if El Rubio learns about a private military hunting a nuclear submarine, he will try to find you


Kurohimiko

He can't guard a small island or even his house from us when we aren't using our best gear. We've saved the world from super soldier terminators and own enough firepower to demolish the city.


ngugger

Don't forget he can't really do anything even if he does find you


Sev_736

No no, i don’t mean from heist to heist, i mean that if you enter through the drainage pipe, a bit after you collect the main objective, pavel says the tunnel is sealed, and a message in the top left corner shows up saying what i wrote in the first panel, so the meme says that: if you cut open the tunnel to get in, then why can’t you cut it again to escape?


Kurohimiko

I understand what you meant. I was bringing up another point in regards to how dumb the mechanics in the heist are. They went well out of their way to make sure the thing takes longer than it logically should.


Bonzungo

The real dumbass part is that you can't just jump off the balcony and escape that way.


the1slyyy

Once you exit the doors you can just run to the ocean and swim away. Logically you would just jump off the balcony and back to your sub the same way you got there


MrDONINATOR

I had to move the sub kapitan.... why? You are cloaked....


madeformarch

I had to learn this the hard way because I was playing with the sound off


Sev_736

Oh ok, anyway i think it was done so that it can take longer to prep, since it can be done so quickly, also maybe el rubio notices that his fingerprint replicator, weapons, vests, choppers, and head of security go missing in San Andreas just before he is robbed, so that could tell him where to search.


Frez-zy

someone downvoted you for saying the truth lmao, pavel literally talks about how someone else robbed rubio and got away but because they didnt use only stolen gear/didnt destroy everything afterwards he was able to trace it back to them and ended up putting them into the panther cages


palmerjosh74

I think is safe to assume if it was sealed back, it's now under guard protection and too risky to go out that way?


thjmze21

Well he certainly found the first crew to rob Cayo and if they used their own tech, they probably could've bought some serious equipment. Also in my mind, it is like torching your getaway car so they think you died or something.


Bonzungo

That's not why they torch getaway cars, it's because of DNA evidence. Which makes it even worse because you don't wear gloves in the compound lmfao


ubadeansqueebitch

Why do I have to get demolition charges from the O’Neil brothers? I never need it. Go in thru the grate , leave via boat. It’s mandatory but unnecessary.


thjmze21

It's not mandatory lol. It replaces the plasma cutter for other approaches in cutting the locks for secondary targets


AWibblyWelshyBoi

The **cutting torch** and demo charges are interchangeable depending on the approach. Plasma cutter is for the bullet proof case. You made a tiny mixup


Grifasaurus

A better question is why are there more o’niell brothers?


TheReaper2077

Yeah, Tell that to the O'Neill sisters


Grifasaurus

Tell that to the covenant


soggyburrito237

It’s mandatory if you get it before the cutting torch. If you get the torch first, it says that the demo charges are optional.


Emotional-Direction3

This legit?! If so that’s such a time saver


soggyburrito237

Yep, just make sure to grab the torch first and it saves you one prep.


Emotional-Direction3

Sweet! I’ll give this a try 👍🏼


Emotional-Direction3

This worked! Big love 👊🏼


supermariozelda

Yep, I've never done the breaching charges setup.


Falazio

True but it’s the best prep.


Snipezyz

It only says that demo charges is mandatory up until you have something interchangeable with them. Once you get the cutting torch, demo charges change from mandatory to optional


SimulatedLogic

You do if you replay it ;)


Kurohimiko

No, you don't. You need to reacquire everything again.


coolbreezesix

Didn't want to spoil it for you but they seal it off with plywood and you didn't do the prep to steal a Sawzall.


Inappropes1789

A magic water proof sawzall that changes from blue to red when underwater


darkdoppelganger

The sawzall would change from red to green, just to screw with the color blind.


Inappropes1789

Or why can’t we escape that way if we enter a different way?!


Drewdru

Why do we even have to steal the cutting torch in the first place if we scoped the Vetir and Guard Uniforms or even just the grappling hook?


Inappropes1789

Well, if you didn’t you wouldn’t be able to get trough locks for loot silently using the explosives or you’d have to go get bolt cutters, same for the lock in the vault


Drewdru

So the option should be, if you scout bold cutters and either of the two (uniforms + Vetir / hook), then the explosives/torch prep is no longer mandatory.


Inappropes1789

Possibly but do you really want to look for them during every setup and retrieve them during the heist? If you like grabbing coke or weed on the way to the compound it would slow you down going to get the bolt cutters. Plus It’s like the most pain in the ass thing to find or they were for me at least and I personally would rather steal the torch every heist


Drewdru

There's a couple of places where they spawn often so I want that option so that I can skip the torch prep and just kill the guards for the compound code. I don't really speed run it, just try to meet the elite goal.


sumthin213

Pavel says its sealed off, not someone re-welded the metal grate back on. That could just mean they sealed and locked the hatch at the top of the ladder and it's now guarded


Piwde

What kind of cutting torch can cut through a metal grate but not a padlock shackle? Or just the entire hatch at the top? El Rubio's guards are also not exactly the crème de la crème, they could still be deleted like any other guard in one bullet.


Sev_736

but after completing the heist they would just unseal it and replace the grate?? and anyway you can just kill the guards like you did all the other ones


sumthin213

My gf is a new player (rank 92) and she often asks questions like this when we are playing. My response has become a meme between us at this point. "Don't question GTA, it will only drive you mad"


Snipezyz

Yes they would, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to use the pipe if they just left it sealed up


ScorchReaper062

And why is the alarm not sounding at this being discovered? And how did they discover this?


_dudepare_

when Pavel said they sealed the drainage tunnel, whether they replaced the grate, blocked the tunnel or even locked the room, it means the guards had somehow found out the grate has been cut, they are now aware there is an intruder in the compound, and they know the intruder might take the same route to flee, so they may just be waiting there to ambush. it is only wise not to take the same route while escaping in this case


RadicalLad25

And then they unseal drainage pipe for the next heist.


thjmze21

Because you can't use a sealed drainage pipe.


dnuohxof1

This is the most logical answer. This is what I’ve always assumed in my head, until they clear it out again for the next heist. But we’re already suspending enough disbelief by then.


rooletwastaken

I dont think they sealed the grate, they sealed the entrance to the tunnel from the compound. Sealing the grate itself wouldnt be something they just “do”


Sev_736

yes, pavel says they sealed the drainage tunnel, but rockstar is trying to imply that the grate, which seals the tunnel is what was sealed, at least that’s what i think, anyway if the compound was sealed we still have the cutter to cut through


Mr_Zoovaska

how does rockstar imply that the grate was replaced?


Lamon72

I went back trough the drainage tunnel ,it is open but i died trying to swim back in


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Lamon72

shoot the gas tank .


Ghostbuster_119

I think it's silly we can steal all manor of bullshit for this heist but what I'd really want are some underwater scooters. Dive straight back into the water after leaving the compound and use the scooter to swim away at high speed.


X_GingaNinja_X

Has anyone gone back to the outside of the grate when escaping to see what it's sealed with. It will answer everything


_stijnsmit

Nothing changed if you swim trough it youll die


SuspiciousEmotion273

My question is; how did they know to seal it, but not know that you're there until after you've left the compound? I suspend my disbelief less watching Vin Diesel get pummeled by a nuke strapped to a cargo plane and still have enough steam to drive to Antarctica and take on a submarine.


anueI

Why do you have to keep going back to the island for intel you already know it's in the basement


star_bell

Well it decides if you need to steal a cutter or the codes


Byjayen123

Why not both?


Snipezyz

To find out exactly what is in the basement so you know what tools you need for the job, and also to scope out the location of secondary targets so you can plan your route and know what you are stealing


anueI

just get both of them and i'll take whatever's there


fckrddt01

how do they seal it up within 5min and still not sound the alarm?


Substantial_Fail

and how did el rubio even know you came in that way if you do not in complete stealth?


star_bell

They probably check it every now and then


fucknametakenrules

They apparently get the grate and weld it back in place before they even know you’re there and even after seeing it cut they still don’t suspect anything


thebarkbarkwoof

Because they resealed it but are still oblivious to your presence


Black_Out2160

All to end up escaping by swimming. LMAO


Pugs4Life9000

Maybe it collapsed or something


notfakeshady

Which makes me wonder that if I entered from the main gate (or the other entrances), could I escape from the drainage tunnel or not.


Lexter250

A better question is why doesn't El Rubio station more guards before you even rob him. I feel like he would find out that his fingerprint cloner was stolen or head of security killed. He also mentions "How many times have we been robbed?" So he definetly knows that he's about to be robbed. Why not station some guards in the basement (I know that 2 of them spawn in the basement after the alarm is triggered, but why don't they spawn in stealth too?). This heist is way to easy. Every single time the heist is the same with just slight variation between some guard or camera spawns. Guess that's just R* logic.


Mr_Zoovaska

he could just change the safe code lmao


chickenskittles

hmmm i wouldn't say way too easy, but full of plot holes and broken stealth. i was making it more difficult than need be actually playing stealthily when i first started it. 😂


chipscheema

Once I made the mistake of going back to the tunnel after escaping the compound. You can only go a certain distance, you die after you go a little beyond halfway through the tunnel. The grate is still cut, you can swim through it but only till that certain distance. It wasn't fun to restart the heist to get elite, but atleast now I know a little bit more about not being inquisitive in GTA, it gets you killed


Mr_Zoovaska

like it literally just kills you automatically even if you have a rebreather?


chipscheema

Regardless of what you do it kills you if you go past a certain point. I had the rebreather on, and after I went through the curve in the tunnel it suddenly killed me without warning


Hour_Apartment9491

would be too easy


ICrayCrayI

You’re wondering why a game that has a car with ‘bulletproof windows’ but you can still get shot through them doesnt make sense😂


djdat

You know what pisses me off about this, I take the longfin here on entry but when escaping it's not there anymore. Could shave a ton of time off my run if it was still there.


RageQuitSon

its not blocked by metal... the cutting powder finally overcame the drainage capacity i'm afraid


AlexUWU4640

maybe they sealed it with some of those steel bushes.......


Aggressive-Stuff-336

You can escape over the edge into the sea near the villa on the left when you come out of the gate.! Follow the road, best with stolen bikes, there are 3 of them, and jump straight over the cliff! ;-) don't need to thank me :-)


a_Redditor1

Does going at a high speed like that hurt your character? I tried driving in slow before and it made me lose like 8000 so I’ve just ran since.


Aggressive-Stuff-336

Jump of the bike before you hit the water 😉


Kr0wgan

And how the frick did they know it was cut? does the owner of the island frequently go down there and cut it open? The guards there chilling and one says "hey Jerry you think our murderous boss went into the doo doo tunnel and cut the big metal grate open again?" And the other guys like I dunno but i don't wanna get shot for not checking....


Tomakdk

How else are they gonna make the heist as hard as possible and make you lose as much money as possible


Beastabuelos

I think the real question is why would you want to?


Grifasaurus

So you don’t get killed and lose money?


Beastabuelos

You're only going to get killed if you suck at the heist. Also, you won't lose money if you don't have any secondary loot


Grifasaurus

Ok john wick, settle down. As for the second thing, that's actually really useful to know, since I usually just steal paintings each time since I'm doing it solo.


Mr_Zoovaska

honestly getting back to the maintenance room would be just as difficult as getting to the main gate at that stage anyway. then once you're out it's pretty easy to avoid the Guards outside the compound.


clamdigger37

It grinds my gears a bit that we're cutting 2m x 2m giant hole :P


clamdigger37

It grinds my gears a bit that we're cutting 2m x 2m giant hole :P


TaticalSweater

Did they really change that? The last time I played they had recently removed the patrol boats from the rock cliffs behind the compound. That was my escape route for solo.


F1_Boi

dont you die if you jump off that way?


TaticalSweater

Not if you jump in the ocean. One time i just swam away


E3ctr1cOsprey

Not sure why youre being downvoted. My route is: Arrive in Kosatka, enter drainage tunnel, get primary, get to main gate and exit, hook straight right, run, then right again and jump off the cliff, then just swim south until it registers me as escaped.


TaticalSweater

I didn’t realize it got downvoted lol. But thats dumb because i was seriously asking as i don’t really play anymore. I would take the speedboat, loot the hangar, take a guard uniform from nearby, drive the truck that lets you into compound front gate, shoot the 3 guys that always have the keys, loot the vault, leave through the rock cliffs (before they patched it). I found this way to be SUPER easy for solo heisting. I would be done in under 30 min.


Mr_Zoovaska

nah if U jump over the railing while inside the compound it'll kill you if you hit the water or not. You can still escape via the cliffs and swimming away but only after you've left the compound.


TaticalSweater

Thats what i meant in original post lol. Not sure why it got downvoted


Grifasaurus

Yeah that doesn’t make sense to me either


BasementDwellerDave

Rockstar just gave us the big middle finger right there. Total bullshit if you ask me. Smdh


BLUEAR0

Maybe they put guards watching that area and sealed it so if anyone tries to escape that way they would get shot?


IaintGonTry

I always think they put some expandable foam in the sewage pipe when they say they sealed it..


Due-Conversation-579

Right


__BigBoi__

One day, when I get out of the compound, I'll go back to the tunnel to see what it looks like after


Snipezyz

It doesn’t actually look any different, you can still swim through it but you just straight up die when you get to the end


deweebishere

Does anyone have a good guide for the heist?


Aggressive-Stuff-336

Forgot to say, and swim to your Kosatka.....


dreamsthebigdreams

If you sneak in and no one notices how is it sealed same day. . .


chickenskittles

All the mechanics of the heist are broken af. If you're stealthy, and even take the time to kill all the cameras and whatnot before you enter the compound, how on earth do they know the vault has been compromised? They have a coked up paranoid drug lord, air defenses, CCTV, armored guards, personal security, patrol guards, and yet the way to get into the compound DIRECTLY is just shrugged off and left as a huge security breach waiting to happen. Then wow, suddenly they rememeber, the tunnel although they still don't know you're there.


BeholdTheLemon

I’m guessing after you exit the compound, rubio checks his office and sees that the vault’s been looted


Sev_736

that wouldn’t matter bc i enter the vault with key thru the other entrances


LyricalShinobi5

Because it would be stupid if they gave you the money that easy, might as well just let us skip the whole heist


Fried_Shrimpos

yoooooo


Nowatica

Why do they seal it if you entered the compound undetected?