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[Michael Russo] Ryan Hartman on what made Avs captain Gabriel Landeskog snap: “Hit Kadri. Guess you can’t hit these days.”

[Michael Russo] Ryan Hartman on what made Avs captain Gabriel Landeskog snap: “Hit Kadri. Guess you can’t hit these days.”

WildinBham

I don't know why were not hitting Kadri right now.


Tjmonkey

Girl are you Nazem Kadri? Cause I want to hit that!


PLUR_police

Girl are you Nazem Kadri? Cause you always leave when I need you most


TheInternetIsScary44

Cue tiktok sound- It's a good joke. It's a great joke even, but I need you to stop anyway


Greentrader1

Tf is a tiktok sound


TheInternetIsScary44

When a video is played a sound clip can be added on top of it, a popular sound clip is the words I just said.


Jhoffdrum

Lol I appreciate this


Cptn_Canada

Damn Id hit Kadri all day.


maddscientist

Shit, I don't care about your Kadris


A_Generic_Plate

Fuck, I'm surprised we're not hittin Kadri right now.


AarontheCreator

this will be a perfectly rational comment section, im sure. I'll start: Ryan Hartman is America's sweetheart and was brutally attacked by a Swedish invader. God bless Ryan, and by extension, America.


LionelRitchie76

Genuine question. Is this action by Landeskog a continuation of Sweden’s war on America that started when they jailed ASAP Rocky?


MasherusPrime

It started with IKEA meatball lunch and now obesity in US is rampart. Coincidence? Think not.


LionelRitchie76

Tbf if IKEA turned out to be a front to indoctrinate people into a Midsommar style cult it wouldn’t be the most shocking thing ever haha


redditornot02

I mean if it is, can we just send all our terrible music artists to Sweden to be jailed? Don’t need that trash in the USA. They can have that rapper.


LionelRitchie76

I mean if they break a law like Rocky then fine. But gtfoh there’s nothing wrong with the guy as a musician lol


toledosurprised

we should rename independence day “ryan hartman day” in honor of his service


AarontheCreator

REAL, PATRIOTIC, HARD BODIED, THROBBING, AMERICANS call it Ryan Hartman Day. no questions asked.


pastafarian88

Ryan Hardman day?


AarontheCreator

crossing my fingers, hoping many men will be hard that day. like with their boners and stuff


BirdLawConnoisseur

It’s hard to argue with this one.


TGIRiley

I'm probably going to regret dipping my toes in here, but I see a hit from behind on Kadri. It's not super late or anything, but the puck was already gone and he was somewhat defenseless. That's a missed penalty imo.


RockyLovesEmily1992

Get your wet toes and clear perception out of here. Honestly i think this helps set a tone for the season and were going to the ship if we keep that fire.


TGIRiley

Yea haha, what unfolds after the dirty hit is classic hockey we all love: kadri loses his shit and takes a penalty, Landy being a good captain is enraged at the injustice of the situation and goes after him.


SnooAvocados3855

Not sure if the hit was worthy of a penalty, but some retaliation should have been expected. That was kind of a dirty hit


Loves_His_Bong

I've never seen a checking from behind penalty assessed for an open ice hit in the slot. Also checking from behind is an automatic 5. If we really think that constitutes a major penalty, whatever. But I don't think players should be allowed just carry the puck into the slot and fire away without the ability to play the body on defense personally.


TGIRiley

yea good point, maybe that's why the refs didn't call it, I do think that should be 2 though, I wish giving a minor and not the misconduct for something like that was possible. They can play the body for sure, but the puck has already been shot and he hits him right in the numbers. He's not trying to play D as much as he's trying to punish Kadri at that point. If you let players walk into the slot and fire away like that, tighten up the D, blasting him from behind after he's already walked in and shot wont help.


Loves_His_Bong

Clearing the slot is playing defense and he was eligible to be hit. Rebounds pop out to the slot all the time. If you don't want to get hit, don't skate into the slot, park, and shoot. You can fire on the move or shoot from the perimeter. The slot is not and should not ever be free real estate in hockey.


Trekari

Then put yourself in the correct position to play the body without checking someone from behind. You don't get to break the rules just because someone's in the slot and you're out of position. Checking from behind is a major penalty because it is immensely dangerous to the player receiving the hit and the chance of a severe neck injury are not just hypothetical.


Loves_His_Bong

If you think that's worth a 5 in the NHL, you're going to be disappointed 100% of the time. You're entitled to your opinion, but that is not and never will be called checking from behind.


Trekari

"A check from behind is a check delivered on a player who is not aware of the impending hit, therefore unable to protect or defend himself, and contact is made on the back part of the body." You're entitled to be wrong.


Loves_His_Bong

Never said it wasn't, but again, that call will never be made and really shouldn't either.


Trekari

Yeah, player safety isn't important if the guy would otherwise have a decent scoring opportunity. May as well McSorley him in the side of the head, right? Perhaps a cross-check to the face? After all, the guy's in the SLOT, and the defender's out of position. Hell, maybe just kick him with your skate blade. Anything goes at that point! /s I guess if it isn't your own team, or your own spinal column to worry about whiplash from, then it isn't important to you. Again....being terribly out of position isn't a free pass for violating the rulebook verbatim, particularly when the violation is egregiously dangerous.


Nonanonymousnow

Are you just making drama for Kadri since he's on the other side of this sort of thing on a routine basis? Remind me, how many times has he gotten suspensions during the playoffs? I count 6.


Trekari

Nice theory, but I'm no fan of Kadri. It's a dangerous fucking play, and an illegal hit by someone who was grossly out of position.


snuffl3upaguss

But it is interference. Without a doubt can be called a 2 minute minor.


TheInternetIsScary44

Normally it's Kadri losing his cool because his teammates get hit


DreMin015

Gabe: “Finally time to pay him back!”


FC37

His rage is now spreading to his teammates. Like 28 Days Later.


Rhysing

He also did get up and give Hartman a big ole crosscheck too.


Nonanonymousnow

He had another big ol cross-check to the back earlier in the game.


eebro

Love it. Dirty fuck, but if you’re god damn Ryan Hartman and you can get under the skin of both Kadri and Landeskog, you’ve done your duty.


TossThatPastaSalad

And tbh, with Hartman it goes waaaaaaaaaaay back to when he was a Blackhawk and then a Pred. There's a pretty long history with him and other Central teams. The Avs players hate him. I'm exactly 0% surprised he gets this reaction. And it's what he's there to do as you said.


HoodPhones

Yep. I remember Hartman and Andrighetto getting into it in the Nashville series. The reasons the Avs dislike him goes far beyond this small play haha


TossThatPastaSalad

Prior to that it was him taking endless runs at Tyson Barrie as a Hawk and elbowing Duchene in the head whenever he could. Reddit fans are going to judge based on one incident but like I said, there's a pretty long history here. And I get it. Hartman plays the way he thinks he needs to but we really shouldn't be all that surprised when guys react to it. Sometimes, overly violently. I don't want Landy doing that but it doesn't surprise me at all. Having said all that. Cap needs to chill the fuck out as well.


mnkybrs

> Reddit fans are going to judge based on one incident Which is surprising because I thought it was well known Hartman was a piece of shit.


Loves_His_Bong

I mean he has one career suspension. If that makes you a piece of shit, then what are Kadri and Landeskog?


ProstockAccount

Yes, the NHL has a great history of suspending those who deserve it, fairly and consistently.


VZ81

Yeah landeskog is no shining example and Hartman is right that people have to fight damn near every time they hit someone and it’s stupid. But Hartman has pissed off everyone in this division a hundred times over and the only thing stopping him from being a good offensive player is him being a boneheaded fucking moron so Hartman doesn’t have much ground to stand on at all.


HoodPhones

> Reddit fans are going to judge based on one incident That's exactly it. Everyone is welcome to shit on Gabe here if they want (and I don't blame him, dude went 0 to 100 real quick), but they already despise this dude, and this just pushed them over the edge. There's already a laundry list of reasons as to why they hate him Edit: [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-DNxCYX-j8&ab_channel=SPORTSNET) is a video from one of the games vs Nashville. Look at the run he takes here. The Avs havent forgotten this shit


Xeteh

He was running guys all night in a pre-season game like he's fighting for a roster spot. Then he flops when Kadri crosschecks him.


poeticentropy

I was wondering why in the clips it looks like the AVS players snapped. His hit on Kadri wasn't dirty or particularly uncommon. It makes more sense now that it was in response to something cumulative


BillMcCrearysStache

We the fans only know like 10% of what happens during a game, so much is said and done that the tv’s don’t show


TossThatPastaSalad

Cumulative over years, as well.


Pepsuber188

Landeskog has been waiting years for that clean hit in a preseason game to make him snap?


TossThatPastaSalad

No, this stuff happens pretty much every time they play each other in one form or another. You should very well remember exactly what Hartman brings to the table. He's excellent at being irritating.


Pepsuber188

Yeah I don't like Hartman either, this just seemed like a dumb time to overreact. Just wait until he actually does something dirty it probably won't take long


TossThatPastaSalad

I'd imagine it's more of a signal to the young guys in camp that they won't allow themselves to be pushed around. There's been some offseason noise here about them being irritated that Vegas got away with so much shit in the playoffs plus the long term injuries to Byram and EJ last year on hits. I'm not saying it should be like that, but you know how hockey players are. They always look to 'send messages'.


NoCapnCrunch

This is downvoted but it's literally what happened


UncleTrapspringer

As a neutral party without any context, you can legitimately tell by Hartman's body language how much he's exaggerating the falls lol


Radoguy197

When Landy pushed him it looked like an adult shoving a middle schooler lol.


Serious-Guava

I missed this. Can you fill me in on what happened? Is there a clip?


futurehofer

[Here's a streamable](https://streamable.com/76j3fe)


Serious-Guava

Thanks!


MiesLakeuksilta

lol dude's going in to make the hit like his career depended on it, and then flops as soon as the Avs even look at him.


vikingsfan1795

Damn dude, phenomenal way to handwaive the insane overreaction from Landeskog.


Fixthe-Fernback

If you look at the clip on a vacuum, sure, it's an overreaction. But contextually, you'd know that Hartman was playing like a piece of shit all night and this was just the last straw for him


MiesLakeuksilta

Insane overreaction? :D Like Hartman going out of his way to go whack at Kadri? Hartman was also running guys like it was the playoffs ffs.


SamDotPizza

Thank god Landeskog was there to defend poor hapless Kadri, a pure representation of the Lady Byng trophy.


TheDutchin

The hit on Kadri at least was 100% clean.


81grey

He hit him in the numbers thought? Is that not blindside.


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whatsthisredditguy

>Blindside hits aren't against the rules They removed any mention of checking from behind from the rulebook? Since when?


seancolorado

Yup. The only asshole here is Hartman


TossThatPastaSalad

Can't agree there. All 3 are assholes. One doesn't excuse the others.


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Meepster23

Show me on this doll where the Wild touched you inappropriately.


GhostlyTJ

Flops? look at that clip again. Have you ever been shoved in the middle of standing up? It really doesn't take much when you are on dry land. It takes even less on ice. Then add in the fact that honestly, if you have skated even a little bit, you know that sometimes its better to just hit the deck than try to save it.


SKCham

For real, Hartman is a gigantic cockweasel for going hard in pre-season then being slighted because the other team has the gall to play hard in response.


Prideofmexico

Hartman is doing the Avs a favor. That team absolutely shrinks when they play bigger teams in the playoffs who push them around


Xeteh

Especially when they're forced to play their 3rd string goalie for 3 games.


Prideofmexico

He was your most effective goalie against us. Interested to hear your excuse for Vegas series


Subterania

Chirping the Avs would be more effective if your team had even made the playoffs last year.


Prideofmexico

When is the last time you all made it to the conference finals? I’ll hang up and listen We probably would’ve if we played in the pacific and got all those free wins against the Avs


Subterania

Last time we won, which was more recently than you. Difference is our window just opened and yours is probably already closed.


Prideofmexico

Our window is open for as long as we keep getting to play the Avs


Xeteh

Turns out when goalies are hurt they aren't very effective. You broke the code. I don't know how you can say that the team "shrinks" when the Stars/Avs series went to overtime in game 7. As far as the Vegas series... Avs played great game 1, played poorly in game 2 but Grubi bailed them out. Games 3 and 4 were awful all around. Avs looked like the better team in games 5 and 6 but much like game 2 Flower stole 5 and Grubi had his worst game of the season in game 6. Shit happens.


nupharlutea

He kind of is fighting for a roster spot, because Marco Rossi (a center) and a whole handful of wingers look like they’re both NHL-ready and won’t pull this crap. On the other hand, I assume they want Hartman for playoff hockey; but you have 82 games first.


Legionnaire11

Hartman doing his job of trolling the opponent. I wish the Preds had kept him around, I liked his game.


seeldoger47

Hartman gets a hit on Kadri, which prompts Kadri to take a retaliatory penalty. what’s the problem here? all I see is a smart play by a crafty veteran to get his team a free power play.


Wikipii

From that point nothing. Landeskog then wants to fight Hartman to stand up for the teammates he was running all night. Still fine and just a normal play to see in hockey at this point. What makes no sense is why Hartman seems to think Kadri and Landeskog taking exception to his actions is strange, especially when like you said it was clearly his intent all along.


seeldoger47

I have no problem with Landeskog sticking up for his teammate (that’s good, in fact!), however I’m pretty sure Hartman said the quote above with his tongue planted firmly in his cheek.


vikingsfan1795

This phrasing badly misrepresents how Landeskog showed he 'wants to fight Hartman stand up for' teammates. Grounding-and-pounding his stick into Hartman's neck?


boardin1

Notice the flair of everyone hating on Hartman...I'll let you draw the conclusion from there. I didn't get to watch the game, it was not available on any of my services, so I don't know what happened leading up to this clip. But what I see is exactly what you said, smart play by wily veteran to draw a penalty.


TossThatPastaSalad

Flair baiting is the worst thing on Reddit sporting subs. There's no need for it. Of course the principle teams involved are going to have more 'passionate' reactions. Doesn't make them invalid.


seeldoger47

> Doesn't make them invalid. Nah, fans who are deeply invested in fandom aren’t to be trusted, for example, see Sabres fans [defending taking Jack Quinn 8th overall](https://www.reddit.com/r/sabres/comments/j78tn0/fuck_you/).


TossThatPastaSalad

Overall, sure. But I'd like to think I'm being perfectly reasonable in this thread and getting downvoted for flair anyway.


boardin1

No, you're absolutely right...about the fans of teams being involved having the most passionate reactions. But I'm just going to point out that Hartman isn't known as a dirty player but Kadri and Landeskog are...questionable, at best. And this looks like a play that happens 100x a game, never getting called. Christ, Parise is a shell of his former self because of all the cross-checks he took in the crease over the years. And I'm not saying that Aves fans don't know how the game is played or that they're whiny, little brats...I'm just pointing out that all the negative comments are from Aves fans. Everyone else, that I saw, agreed that Hartman seems to have embellished the return cross but that there was nothing out of the ordinary about his initial contact.


TossThatPastaSalad

I don't disagree, and I explained in a couple different places that it has far more to do with a history with Hartman himself than it does with anything with the Wild. The play in question is generally innocuous. The history with him is far less so.


whatsthisredditguy

>Hartman isn't known as a dirty player LOL what?


boardin1

Hartman has one, 1 game, suspension. And that was 3 years ago. I never said he was a Lady Bing candidate but he isn’t dirty. And, again, I notice the only flair claiming he is seems to be Aves. So I’ll leave it at that.


[deleted]

Quite a few people have said that Hartman is a POS. Avs fans have said it the most, but we're not the only ones.


The_Next_Wild_GM

Hmmm... what flair could that possibly be? It's as if just selecting a certain flair makes a person's judgements flawed and whiny-like? Clearly Hartman should not have been playing hard, nor hitting in a preseason game. Only certain players should play hard, and established veterans should maintain <75% effort, to not make AHL players and prospects feel bad. As well, a history of playing hard, makes Hartman a villain. Therefore it is acceptable to make attempts to injure him, while violating the rules of the game. Landeskog and Kadri are heroes, and are great role models. These men represent how I would like my children to behave when upset or frustrated.... by attacking someone with a stick, then making repeated jabs at that person's face.


couldabeenadinodoc95

This ain’t summer league. I’m not saying the veterans should be going playoff hard, but they should be playing hard to gear up to the season.


boardin1

Well Hartman has a long history of suspensions and ejections whereas Kadri and Landeskog are annual Lady Bing candidates. So it is obvious that Hartman needs to lay off the star players, especially in the preseason.


SixPieceTaye

Honestly? Good for Ryan Hartman. Making 2 players lose it over some silly shit is excellent work on his part. Kadri deserves all the shit he gets cause he's a wet turd.


CurrentWorkUser

I thought AVS fans in general liked Kadri?


Radoguy197

We do.


LasciviousYeti

We do. This is just one person. Kadri is well liked by Avs fans and his CO teammates


NervousBreakdown

Kadri is stilled loved by leafs fans. After he retires (or is suspended into retirement) I hope the first leafs / avs game has a huge pre game ceremony for him.


pansy_dragoon

"I'm pretty sure you can't hit guys when you're staring at their numbers Ryan."


boardin1

I'm pretty sure Kadri has never had and inkling of this thought ever even begin to percolate in his brain.


Swa9Dra9on

So that makes it okay to do back. Got it. Dumbass comment


CMC04

Thats our captain, love to see it.


Rhysing

Love to see your captain snap?


CMC04

Yeah it’s pretty amusing. Glad he’s out captain I think he’s done a great job.


Rhysing

Sure, he also needs therapy.


CMC04

He must be the first hockey player to ever get mad hey? Surely no one on your team has ever dared do that before


Rhysing

you're implying that no other hockey player has needed therapy before? dude pulled a bertuzzi yesterday, in a preseason game


CMC04

Everyone who loses their temper doesn’t need therapy you donut. You’re welcome to cry about it some more though I’m always here to listen.


[deleted]

A Bertuzzi? Wow way to overstate things. In case you haven't noticed Wild fans are losing their case in this thread defending Hartman. Time to admit your player did wrong and move on.


Rhysing

The irony is so lost on you


[deleted]

You won't admit that Hartman was a tool during the game who HIT Kadri from behind (if you want to talk about every hit from behind being a Bertuzzi) and then had two dives. You're a homer and I'm done dealing with you


Rhysing

Hartman's hit during play was borderline. I don't think it gets called because it was not really egregious at the speed of the game. He may have sold the fall from getting crosschecked by Kadri, but you want to call the Bertuzzi by Landy a dive? I'm glad you're done dealing with me, holy fuck. Again the irony is so lost calling me the homer. Good fucking riddance.


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Dude I get your beef with Landy but the other night was not a Bertuzzi and to compare it to that is stupid AF. I get that Landy hit Hartman from behind and "the irony" is not lost on me. Players get hit from behind all the time and it's not called a fucking Bertuzzi. Like I said, overstating shit.


Rhysing

As long as Aves fans are overstating the Hartman play at live speed, then I think I have every right to call a 'Blindside, High, Unnecessary, Rage-provoked, Hit-from-behind' a Bertuzzi.


Shmachey92

I'd rather see a captian defend his teammates then anything else


Sibs

Can't make Olympic hockey team, might as well try out for the diving team.


redditornot02

Yep, Ryan Hartman must be a graduate of the Pk Subban school of diving.


Subterania

Run Avs, fight Landeskog. Pretty simple really, Schwartz learned it but didn't turtle like a bitch. Landy's gonna feed you punches no matter how hard you try to burrow into the ice.


bananarama1991

I don’t think turtles burrow but I’m no Steve Irwin bud


TossThatPastaSalad

Fun fact is that they love burrowing before they brumate, but that's a tale for another time.


thatjerkatwork

Nice play by Hartman. Give a nice clean hit then take the power play of of the predictably undisciplined Kadri.


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He hit Kadri in the numbers after the puck was gone. It was not a clean hit


MaxmaxJ

Might be a smart play but it was still a dive. Can't really support that.