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Women of Iran before the « Islamic Revolution » of 1979

Women of Iran before the « Islamic Revolution » of 1979

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Ipaytaxes-getnothing

What do the iranian women look like today?


gravitin

Nobody really knows. Serious note: the Iranian regime [oppresses women and girls, executes gays, tortures and kills its own citizens, and is the #1 sponsor of terrorism in the world](https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/iran/report-iran/). It is now also on the verge of obtaining nuclear weapons which it threatens to use. The sane world MUST somehow wake up before it’s too late.


J03130

Lmfao.


iyoiiiiu

Judging based on this comment section, that's not the only thing nobody really knows. All the people posting those pictures about Iran conveniently forget that the Shah had torture chambers all over the country where any opponents of him were brutally and slowly killed, and that the US and UK operated those torture sites for him. Those pictures are of wealthy secular women. People dressing like this were a minority, particularly outside of Tehran. If anything, they would have been seen by a large part of the population as symbolic of foreign control over Iran, particularly by way of the US' puppet, the Shah. Much of Iran was as religious and conservative then just as it is now. Certainly, if you were among the elite in Tehran, your life was probably not all that different from most Europeans, unless of course you got on the bad side of the Shah. Meanwhile, the religious, conservative poor chafed under the dictator, as did many middle class students who had been exposed to European ideals and saw the oppressive dictatorship of the Shah as unjust. If the Shah had not been such a ruthless dictator, and had the US not been so heavy-handed in installing him in the first place, you might have seen this sort of thing grow at a slower but more sustainable pace. Instead, the country deeply resented the forced imposition of an American puppet dictator and went all the way in the other direction after the revolution. The Shah of Iran created a completely secular state but it was a merciless, corrupt, totalitarian regime. The only outside power base left was religious, and that's what people flocked to. It was a dictatorship of a very nasty kind. But of course, who needs all that context when you can just post a contextless picture of an Iranian woman instead?


alaki123

OP added a bunch of propaganda to his comment in an edit for good measure. FYI Iran being the "#1" state sponsor of terrorism in the world is an unsubstantiated claim US makes while the US itself has sponsored more terrorists in the world than all other countries combined, and even ignoring US, Saudi Arabia is the next largest sponsor of terrorism, which is allied with US. > It is now also on the verge of obtaining nuclear weapons which it threatens to use. Iran is not on the verge of obtaining nuclear weapons, the IAEA is still inspecting their nuclear facilities, and will continue to do so if the nuclear deal is restored. They were also abiding by the deal and were nowhere near nuclear weapons capabilities before US themselves left the deal under Trump, for no reason. Every international agency, European allies, and even US's own agencies such as the CIA agreed that Iran was abiding by the deal when Donald Trump violated the agreement, so trying to blame this on Iran is a joke. Also Iran has never threatened to use nuclear weapons, that's just something OP made up entirely. It's an outright lie. > The sane world MUST somehow wake up before it’s too late. Or maybe you should stop spreading misinformation.


n0_1_here

got em!!!


RVeld

Terrible joke. But you made me laugh. First time today, thanks internet stranger.


Imtherealjohnconner

Lots of cloth over them. You know, to keep them decent.


Makune

Can't have that sking show, it hurts horny muslims without self control /s


Imtherealjohnconner

Yeah, maybe if they treated their women with respect, they wouldn't worry about them showing some skin and being tempted into adultery. Pretty simple really.


Quantum-Swede-theory

Like ghosts


spazzardnope

Hot. (Temperature wise at least).


nehalkhan97

Just go to Instagram and search "Rich kids of Tehran". The privileged and top of the socio economic ladder women still dress the same if not more revealing. People should learn that these images circulating on the Internet is not how an average Iranian women dressed up at the time but rather a minority of elite women. This minority still dress up any way they want.


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Jody_steal_your_girl

Why should they obey your hijab rule if they don’t want to?


flinchFries

I felt like I had to say something as someone born and raised in Egypt and lived through a similar less extreme situation. People in Egypt dressed up like those pictures before Egypt turned somehow into a different direction. Coincidence? Also, the point you make about elites applies to anywhere in the world. Elites being all westernized and dressing up like whatever pop culture that’s the rage of that time. It is a valid point but shouldn’t invalidate the concerns OP has (as well as myself born and raised Egyptian) with how strict, close minded and regressive a country can get due to religion/politics or whatever force that pushes the culture to a worse place for women. My aunt (very poor) has all these pictures dressed as a french woman from the 60s. Hair like a big tube above head, this sundress like dress but more sophisticated. I’m not a fashionista so excuse my ignorance. My aunt never was an elite, never was even middle class, and still dressed like those pics posted by OP. She now wears a hair cover, and a totally different look, with a tad bit of remanence of “islamic modified” women’s suites and more of an orthodox jew look in terms of black socks and flat shoes. Another aunt of mine, same story, but what she is wearing now is a full head cover that is basically a berkah but beige colored, face fully covered except for eyes and loose one piece dress (think night gown like) under. For those who are reading, there is so much truth to what OP posted.


Into-the-stream

Taking a look at that Instagram, it’s definitely not the same thing. When those girls aren’t in hijab, they are either: 1. In another country other then Iran, 2. In a private residence (which no men they aren’t related to), 3. On a private island. Basically, you have discovered that whenever some women can remove their forced hijab in private or away from authorities, they will. Really different then openly on a street, on an airport runway, or at a public beach.


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DeannaSewSilly

Beaten down, afraid and forced to be covered in whatever the official head garbs name is. Edited: because the official name of forced coverings was inaccurate.


ThatDeadDude

Women don’t wear burkas in Iran. Conservative women wear “chador” and liberal types wear a manteaux and a headscarf (usually trying to see how much uncovered hair they can get away with)


MoffKalast

It's still shocking to me how it's possible to wear something like that in the 35+ degree temps they have and not literally die. I mean those clothes are black, even. Not white, not silver, that stuff must absorb the sun like absolute insanity.


ThatDeadDude

Depends on the part of Iran! There are ski resorts outside Tehran from what I remember.


frostedRoots

Yeah it’s the same climate as it is along the rockies


Sentinel-Wraith

I never understood why they don’t seem to use lighter colors.


BaBa-D00K

Interestingly enough places where people are covered more, even despite being somewhere with hotter weather and more sunshine, has shown evidence of lower skin cancer rates in other similar climate countries without such coverings. Im not saying what is right or wrong just an interesting point that your comment made me remember.


don_cornichon

Yeh but he didn't mean "die of radiation" but rather "die of heat".


dilatedpupils98

Well obviously, if no part of your skin is exposed to the sun then there's little to no risk of skin cancer


NotAmericanDontCare

Am i missing the giant /wooooosh here or what?


MetaTater

No, it's true. Even people who don't swim have a less likelihood of drowning than most others....


CP3_OKC

And it’s the same degrading shit


Mujokan

https://www.theonion.com/woman-in-burqa-condemns-woman-in-chador-1819566274


HydrogenButterflies

> "It is sinful for a woman to tempt a man by revealing the color of her eyes to him," Salah said. "But the women around here leave nothing to the imagination. The pupil, the iris, the cornea… It's all right out there in the open for men to ogle."


Sinaistired99

like this... https://www.instagram.com/p/CQdOHS9FjPW/?utm_medium=copy_link but in more conservative cities, conservative people will look you like 😒 and if you walk without hijab or with short clothes police will arrest you... because of that, most young women are afraid of "hijab police", maybe they say your clothes are short or tight or whatever when they see their car or their van, they will change their path, or other side of avenue. in more open cities, when there is no police around, when women's veil slip from their head, they don't put it back again, and you see a lot of women without hijabs in malls or cafes, and everybody is okay with that **until** police warn the cafe owner or mall owner... also in cars...you see a lot of women in their car, but then there is a sms that says you car is fined or sth worse in hikes or mountains, if someone wants to be without hijab, she can be... or if police see you hands to hands to another girl, they will stop you and ask you how she is related to you, and if you say my gf, you are done... you will be arrested or sth any questions 🙃


infoclub88

Iran had some great psychedelic music in 70s too!


glufreh

Give me the knowledge, infoclub88!


i-am-outrageous

remindme! 3 hours “groovy”


subsonico

>psychedelic music Kourosh Yaghmaei, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNdGhb6z1t0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNdGhb6z1t0) ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kourosh\_Yaghmaei


_20-3Oo-1l__1jtz1_2-

this was amazing. thanks for that!


DeEchteVolledammer

I just looked the name up on spotify and damn dude this is amazing


infoclub88

Oh wow! Sorry for the delay! I’ll post all the links I can find. As mentioned before, Kourosh Yaghmaei has a great LP called “Back From The Brink” on Now Again Records. There’s a great compilation called Pomegranates on Finder Keepers Records. Finders Keepers is a great record label and they release a lot of obscure foreign rock/garage/psychedelic from around the world. There are a lot of bands from Turkey in the Anatolian Rock scene from the 60s/70s which you can actually find some recordings. A lot of the Turkish musicians are still around but they only do traditional folk music now. I recommend checking out these bands and they have LP releases of their old music. Bunalim, Ersen, Selda Bagcan. https://kouroshyaghmaei.bandcamp.com/album/back-from-the-brink https://www.finderskeepersrecords.com/shop/pomegranates/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_rock https://lightintheattic.net/releases/737-bunalim Bunalim - Yollar https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mIWM3pXAQJ8 https://www.finderskeepersrecords.com/shop/ersen/ Ersen - Garip Gönlüm https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=61IQ4I1JSJc Selda (full album) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4vGnLx7f0aY Selda - Ince Ince https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O-8Sbtck39k https://www.finderskeepersrecords.com/shop/selda/ https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112829658 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=124675 http://www.trialanderrorcollective.com/world-and-jazz/the-golden-age-of-persian-pop-music-psychedelic-garage-rock-and-funk-from-1960s-iran https://wvau.org/3338/archives/the-mind-bending-creation-that-is-psych-folk-music-of-pre-revolutionary-iran/


uvikmozegore

yes, sauce pleass!


goingnorthwest

Inquiring minds want to know


PrehistoricPrincess

Spill the detes! I'm intrigued.


eiwarmer

This should've been the after picture.


HatingPigeons

The sad power of dictatorship


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helen_must_die

It's actually Winston Churchill's fault, as he threatened to pull support for the United States from Korea if they didn't help him overthrow the Mosaddeegh regime (at the time the United States was fighting to prevent Kim Jon-Suk from conquering the peninsula): "UK Prime Minister Winston Churchill decided on a coup after being refused American military support by U.S. President Harry S. Truman, who sympathized with nationalist movements like Mosaddegh's and had nothing but contempt for old-style imperialists like those who ran the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company... Although the British were initially turned down in their request for American support by President Truman, the election of Dwight D. Eisenhower as U.S. president in November 1952 changed the American stance toward the conflict" - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian\_Revolution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution)


BaBa-D00K

Thank you. Not enough people have the fucking self decency to read history themselves instead being given a perspective to puppeteer instead of creating their own.


Crocuz

It’s s so wild that a lot of Americans doesn’t seem to realize this


darkenspirit

TBF Americans are lied to same way. We are only a few steps from this happening to us except hand maids tale


ladyhaly

Seems to me like it's happening already. Just go rural.


M2704

Americans don’t want to understand that their country has a habit of creating terrorists.


frostedRoots

It’s not an accident


official_sponsor

And currently the new head of state is a man responsible for systematically torturing and murdering 30,000 people in the late 80s. This was when the practice of using cranes to hang 6 at a time every 30 minutes began. This is right here, right now. Iran https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/06/iran-ebrahim-raisi-must-be-investigated-for-crimes-against-humanity/


fearlessfrancis

It wasn't just a coup. We installed a dictator and our CIA trained his secret police (SAVAK) to act as actual death squads who either murdered or drove out of the country all democratic opposition. When people had enough of the Shah, their only option left were the religious nutters.   To paraphrase Joe Biden, "Imagine if America went around meddling in other countries affairs." Imagine indeed.


bharg5

It's also the fault of the islamists who undertook the revolution, and any people that supported them.


A_Human_Being_BLEEEH

Majority of Medieval Europe: First time?


JWaccountability

Yeah a THOUSAND years ago since they knew they were wrong to do that…. THIS still goes on today in a lot of places.


Special_Tay

America leans in "Somebody say my name?"


MoffKalast

"You sound like somebody with some oil that's in need of freedom"


manicbassman

this is what you'll get if the Republicans manage to completely take over America... an Evangelical Theocracy


Open_Mind_Pleb

and vice versa


Stalysfa

No, religion should always be subject to respecting political rule. Religion may, throughout history, go into really crazy ideas that affect the general population and should thus be controlled by politics. Separation of the state and church is not just religion not intervening in politics. It’s also politics making sure religion is a private matter and nothing more. No one can deny that you will always find some embolden religious figures who try to expand their sphere of influence over the general population.


AKnightAlone

Let's not leave out western imperialism from the matter. I don't even know the history, but I know America was dipping our dick into every pot.


zichlone

People are going to tell you you’re wrong but you’re actually very right. After WW2 Iran’s prime minister was fairly pro west but he wasn’t happy with a deal the Shahs had made with the British about oil in Iran. In the early 1900s Iran had no real discovered oil assets and the current shah made a deal with the British to give them exclusive oil rights to all of Iran. Eventually they found a shitload of oil and the British were making a bunch of money off it. Now our prime minister friend Mossadeq saw that as an injustice and decided to renege on the deal with the British and nationalize the oil. Obviously the British were outraged and demanded someone do something about it and that’s where old America stepped in. We proceeded to press economic sanctions and blockades against Iran and allowed our newly formed CIA to cut its teeth on their first coup de tat to remove Mossadeq. The US reinstated the power of the Shahs and had the current shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi take back control of the nation as an essential puppet leader. He returned the oil right to BP and relied heavily on the west to maintain his power. In that time he made a bunch of real shitty calls and the economic situation for the Iranian people got pretty bad. Eventually he exiled a bunch of Islamic leaders including the all too important Ayatollah Khomeini which was widely regarded as a bad move. Eventually they spun the narrative that everything in Iran wasn’t going that great because they strayed to far from Allah and the Islamic revolution happened. Obviously this is greatly simplified but it does show that the US indeed caused the Islamic revolution.


DeannaSewSilly

Learn history, so you can help prevent the same or similar crap from happening in your country.


Rutherford629

Exactly, according to Jesus' teaching: give God what's his and give Ceasars what his. (Dunno the whole part in english but it goes like this)


Mujokan

That's Jesus avoiding falling into a political trap, which he had to do quite a lot.


shinydewott

These pictures were also from a dictatorship


AmongUsDongBot

What's better,a dictatorship where you have more rights or less rights?


Sniffy4

generally the unifying feature of all dictatorships is you dont have the right to criticize the govmt.


RoundCat

I think the better question is: Is it better to have sovereignty without liberties, or liberties without sovereignty? Iran isn't the only country to face this question, or choose the answer it has chosen.


LayneCobain95

Mainly the sad power of religion


Raaaaafi

I am really not trying to be an asshole here, just trying to stay objective, what I have read though is that these pictures are biased and something one can not rely on as they aren't representative. Apparently - and please correct me if I'm wrong - the women shown in these pics are all upper class and from a social class with certain privileges. This was a small fraction of women which apparently do not represent the status quo of that time properly. Not every woman was dressed like this. Majority was still dressed conservatively. It kind of makes sense as usually richer people would afford a camera back then, not your average citizen.


Walkuerenschluck

The point is not that this was the average. The point is that this was a) legal and b) it was considered desirable. Now it's a) illegal and b) considered sinful/undesirable.


mellonians

You've both hit the nail on the head really. Two different views that are sadly both right. The drive for change was driven by the people who really had power, men and the weapon they used was fear.


Raaaaafi

Yeah. You're absolutely right. Agree 100%.


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Eviljeff1138

Let's try and remember the history here too. The US didn't like the Shah (?) so they toppled the government letting even worse nut jobs in to take over. Another successful US foreign intervention then :(


Qaz_

Other way around. The people of Iran elected a prime minister who nationalized the country's oil supply. The US and the UK did not like that, so they orchestrated a coup to remove him and strengthen the power of the shah.


NewWiseMama

Wait, layman’s history request. Was that PM more liberal than what followed? Do Iranians now have the ability to replace w more socially liberal leaders or not? I knew the US toppled the govt but I didn’t realize the direct impact it had on women.


thegildedtruffle

The PM was elected in the 50s, he was seen as a secular democratic leader (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh) but the US and UK found his nationalization of oil to be a threat (to put it lightly) and returned the Shah to power though a coup. The Shah was also secular and into modernization, but was a monarch who did anything the US and UK told him to (edit: this puts it too lightly, he tortured political dissidents and suppressed religion, and took a lot of money for his family through corruption). The revolution was led by islamists, leftists, and Mosaddegh supporters, but as the dust settled the islamist factions took control which resulted in the Ayatollah having a position of Supreme leader making the current government a theocracy (he holds the highest position of power, above the president, there are elections but he can overrule anything). The revolution is seen as a direct consequence of the US intervention coup in the 50s, but the current government formation was not that coup.


Dyingischill

*America topples another government* American Redditors: "This is the fault of religion!"


fuck_the_fuckin_mods

Kind of surprised that a version of this isn't the top comment. *Most* of Iran was still extremely religious and conservative at this point. There's plenty to be said about how and why they ended up going backwards culturally as a whole, but people get the wrong impression when these pictures are implied to be the norm at the time when they were really just a small segment of the urban elite. There's a lot more nuance here which makes it more interesting, to me at least.


build6build6

No. Wrong target. The sad power of a *theocracy,* and a warning to everyone who takes freedoms for granted - look at the picture and understand that things can change greatly, and things can change *fast*. And *it can happen here*. Having women fully covered, stay in the home etc - there's no real difference between that and what a lot of the Trumpist-evangelical "Christian" segments want. If voting laws can entrench a minority in power - note, in Iran they also have all sorts of election restrictions (primarily by "disqualifying" candidates) because they know in a free vote the mullahs are out of power - then this is the future of the United States.


Orangebeardo

This is exactly what happened these last 2 years. We've seen a huge impact and reduction of human rights because of fearmongering and political agenda.


HomerFlinstone

Handmaids Tale


Ashshley

what's even sadder is there's women who didn't grow up in a muslim country, saying Islam isn't sexist Bunch of brainwashed women, so sad to see EDIT: \*muslim women who didn't grow up in a muslim country But I guess people in general who can't see that Islam is sexist are not helping


fuck_the_fuckin_mods

Pretty much all religious fundamentalists are sexist as fuck, we're just lucky that Christianity has (hopefully, fingers crossed) mostly secularized out of its theocratic phase. That's where shit gets real fucked, when you mix religion and politics. It's an everpresent threat though, even in developed secular countries with a lot of religious people.


Magnicello

False. It was the people of Iran that felt oppressed by the monarchy's push for liberalization, pushing Western values down their throats. They couldn't recognize their country anymore and wanted to go back to their traditional ways. Please do educate yourselves about this topic. [Crash Course: Iran's Revolution](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w4Ku6l7OEI). There's a quote right there from a woman protestor speaking about the things I'm speaking. It's really tiring to see misguided Eurocentric views about the Iranian Revolution.


Gravelord-_Nito

I'm really starting to hate the idea of 'dictatorship' as it's used in political discourse, a childishly easy way to explain away any measure of systemic or political strife as the moral failings of a generically understood megalomaniac who is just doing everything because he's bad. It feels like people use this line of thinking on purpose to avoid the real complexity behind these 'dictatorships' that have a lot to do with economics and geopolitics on a much larger scale than one fucking person or even administration. Because behind all of them is some group of people who support them and want them to be in power, why do we treat them like an afterthought instead of the main area of study? I know the answer is that finding a Sauron to blame is much easier and more narratively comfortable, but you'll never find the truth that way.


MagnusTheGreat

Look up who was the leader of Iran at the time Hint: it was a literal emperor.


Lu1s3r

Wow, fuck as if I wasn't sad enough before.


yaru_mard

Not that it contradicts the point but these pictures are taken where people were able to buy the camera. Guess what? From a country that is as big as 1/3rd of Central Europe there were plenty of not so modern looking at the time. Just saying :)


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whama820

And what caused the Revolution? What were they rebelling against? And what foreign power (rhetorical question here) was keeping in power the authoritarian government the Iranians wanted to be free of? Yes, the result is tragic, with the people under an even more oppressive system than before, but the cause was not the fault of the Iranian people. Luckily, the US has since learned not to manipulate fo— oh, wait.


Confident_Resolution

Thank you CIA!


Claim_to_Lame

It could have if Western political forces didn't try to put in thier own unpopular Shah to try and control the region causing a huge backlash. If the US doesn't like dick flavoured sandwiches, they need to stop fucking all the jars of peanut butter.


helen_must_die

The United States didn't care who ruled Iran at the time, it was Winston Churchill - he threatened to pull support for the United States from Korea if they didn't help him overthrow the Mosaddeegh regime (at the time the United States was fighting to prevent Kim Jon-Suk from conquering the peninsula): "UK Prime Minister Winston Churchill decided on a coup after being refused American military support by U.S. President Harry S. Truman, who sympathized with nationalist movements like Mosaddegh's and had nothing but contempt for old-style imperialists like those who ran the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company... Although the British were initially turned down in their request for American support by President Truman, the election of Dwight D. Eisenhower as U.S. president in November 1952 changed the American stance toward the conflict" - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian\_Revolution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution)


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NouberNou

The British also don't get enough credit for how fucked up Iran is. The Brits ran to the US and were like "they're trying to nationalize our oil!" and the CIA did MI6 a solid.


Ghostofbillhicks

Well said


HugoZHackenbush2

At least the weather is always sunni Where I am it's constantly Shi'ite..


Scip07

Ireland?


HugoZHackenbush2

Ahh..the passing of the four seasons here in lovely Ireland.. My favorite day of the year..


maxman162

"With Norman's Ark, it rained for forty days and forty nights, and they called that a disaster. In Ireland we call that the fuckin' summer."


PhDinGent

Sunni? In Iran? You have it backwards, bro. Iran is overwhelmingly Shi'ite.


NoseApprehensive5154

Nice


A6LeggedSlut

Jason Manford, famous British comedian. “The weather in Manchester, it’s like the Muslims in Iraq. It’s either Sunni or it’s Shiite!’


Responsible_Idea_622

I like sunny weather but man it's 45c° outside (I'm in iran btw)


With_Peace_and_Love_

Good muslamic humour


Hairy_Kitchen

Iran was a serious contender in academic studies before the 'revolution'. There's a movie called Under The Shadow that is set in Tehran, the mc is a woman and she struggles with newly banned things like driving a car or studying or doing aerobics. It's strange to imagine what some of the middle Eastern countries could be like today if they hadn't gone backwards instead. And anyone who thinks that is 'Islamaphobic' is completely disregarding the brutal treatment of women, girls, LGBT people and other minorities living in Islamic countries but I guess those people aren't important because they don't have time to post on twitter about it.


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ChintanP04

But some people can't get it past their thick skulls that debate about a religion is not an attack on the religious people.


ShillinTheVillain

Religions don't exist without followers. If a religion is open to criticism, then so are its followers.


InfinityQuartz

Twutter would disagree but you are very correct


WalnutAlpaca860

We need more people like you in the world


potatohead657

The problem isn’t those outside, it’s those inside the religion that do not tolerate critical thinking. It’s those that are making the religion as bad as it looks now. If you’re religious but teaching and discussing your religion as it is -a philosophy- and not forcing it down the throat of others, then good for you. But that’s rarely the case.


Hairy_Kitchen

Agree 100%


CohlN

well written! you articulate yourself very well.


No___bot

Honestly i don't care about being called Islamophobia but I am afraid of being beheaded in middle of street for pointing out the facts


MoistDitto

As the others have written, I just want to write it too. You phrase it very nice for even my 3 hours of sleep brain to understand.


Adil_Farid

The problem is that they don't only stop at criticising Islam .They harass people because they are muslims. There was a recent case in canada where a whole pakistani muslim family was pulverized by a terrorist islamophobic bastard .Well if you don't believe me just check out the speech of Canadian Prime Minister if thats satisfy you.


Curse3242

I mean. There are stories like these everywhere. It dosent prove anything. We live in a world of about 8 billion people You're going to find someone to suit your argument. But in general, there's more people calling others Islamophobic when the religion or people connected to it have done and have been doing bad things to this day


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DukeOfZork

Exactly. Very well said. And the same holds for Zionism. Criticizing Israel for their brutal treatment of Palestinians does not make one anti-Semitic.


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D-Hex

Secular nationalists failed in the 1950s and 1960s. The were corrupt, anti-democratic and brought about poverty for their people. Their collapse and the Cold WAr politics of the time, laid the ground work for the Iranian revolution. But those regimes didn't go away . Egypt, Iraq before 2003, Syria pre-2011, Libya, Algeria etc. ALL had secularist governments and continue to do so in some places. If you're going to be so wrong about the ME, don't comment on it.


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solstice_gilder

Then you already know 'Persepolis' as well? Super nice read, interesting. The animated version is also great. Inside look into Iran..


Dark_Arts_Dabbler

It’s funny, because American hardcore conservative Christians who hate Islam are negatively effecting their own advancement in similar ways


gnusmag45

To be honest extremism of any kind has similar results, but Islam seems to be more wide spread in the form of running countries, and also more linked with totalitarian regimes.


UCanSeeMeOnMySleeve

Exactly. Extremism in ALL forms. Including feminism, liberalism, conservatism, communism. Any line of belief can be taken over the edge and into a dark place. Too many ppl on here are already propping up their “side” as the “non-crazies”. If you find yourself always arguing for your own side of beliefs no matter whether it’s wrong or right…you are an extremist.


Tbonethe_discospider

Oh yeah, for sure. Hopefully our country won’t meet the same fate with the Y’All Qaeda. “This is a picture of American women before the proud boys revolution.”


bardzi

“…. middle eastern countries could be like today if they hadn’t gone backwards…” you mean before U.S and its friends realised that the region needs peace so they “peaced” upon all of them.


Hairy_Kitchen

Yeah US needs to stop sticking their dick in everything, usually a sign things will go tits up


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ArghZombie

Can't believe that was led by a dude named Kermit. Wonder if ultimately he was searching for the Rainbow Connection.


mgacy

Gonna ignore the pun to point out that beyond leading the coup, Kermit Roosevelt Jr (Teddy's grandson) was arguably single-handedly responsible for Mossadegh actually being overthrown. There were actually 2 coup attempts; the first, on Aug 15, failed. After that, the CIA actually tried to call the whole thing off, but Kermit ignored the order: > “Operation has been tried and failed and we should not participate in any operation against Mossadegh which could be traced back to US,” CIA headquarters wrote to its station chief in Iran in a newly declassified cable sent on Aug. 18, 1953. “Operations against Mossadegh should be discontinued.”… > > At least “one guy was in the room with Kermit Roosevelt when he got this cable,” Byrne told Foreign Policy. “[Roosevelt] said no — we’re not done here.” … The next day, on August 19, 1953, with the aid of “rented” crowds widely believed to have been arranged with CIA assistance, the coup succeeded. [Source](https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/20/64-years-later-cia-finally-releases-details-of-iranian-coup-iran-tehran-oil/)


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Haliucinogenas

Ah yes. You don't share your oil with us (more specifically not allowing us to control it and wanting to make profits for your own country) so we going to take you down and put in power someone who is going to share oil. Thank you USA


green_crustacean

more than sharing, using us dollars to trade it


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peer202

This! The islamic Revolution of 1979 is a allmost certainly a delayed response to the coup instigated by the CIA and the MI6 in 1953. If the Americans and British Governments would have done that there probably is a good chance Iran would be a true democratic Country today.


nova9001

Ever wondered why there was a revolution in the first place? Because the puppet government installed by the Americans was so bad. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad\_Reza\_Pahlavi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi) This wonderful individual was the guy they decide to put in charge and these pictures only represent the top 1% who enjoyed his rule.


ace8995

YES! People (often westerners) post this and often say it was the good ol' days. While it was better in some ways than the new regime , it was just as worse, that's why there was a revolution in the first place. This is just blatant western propaganda


l4dygaladriel

Yup, imagined bringing THEIR ideology (western ofc) to a country and complain about it very much. They thought only one ideology existed in this world smh


depressedHannah

Even a hardcore communist would like Western liberalism more then a theocracy.


kaiser_04_cs

So even Women's Rights is Western ideology for you? Colour me surprised


CanuckPanda

Turns out that when you refuse to allow the moderates to rule, the people will turn to the extremists.


nova9001

Iran once had a functioning democracy but America decided to install a dictator instead because Iran wanted to control their own oil reserves. Surprising how the extremist took power right?


MoroseBurrito

History is so much more complicated than that. If we fairly judge Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, we see him do things that were autocratic, and we also see him do things that were progressive. We see moments in history which he was backed by the Americans (like the 1953 coup) and we also see moments where he stood up to Americans (like the 1973 oil embargo) because he was ultimately a nationalist. His report card is a lot more nuanced than I see people on both sides of the spectrum give him.


SupremeLeaderShaggy

It was a rapidly westernizing country, it's interesting to imagine what Iran would have looked like today had the Islamic revolution never taken place.


RolfDasWalross

*if the CIA and MI5 had never overthrown Muhammad Mossadegh


Brilliant-Suspect716

Actually if I remember correctly this photo was taken during the “white revolution” after the coup in 1953 to overthrow Mossadagh and install the Monarch Pahlavi back in power. The “white revolution” was Pahlavi attempt to overhaul and reform the traditional system in Iran. One of those reforms was woman’s rights. But overall people were unhappy with land grabs and reforms, leading to social tensions. That’s when people began to rally round Kohmeini who was the leader of the Islamic Revolution and creator of the Islamic Republic of Iran.


AliveBase1630

Australia


endgame00

It was a brutal dictatorship, backed by torture and mass murder of protesters. Obviously I’m not saying the Islamic Republic is any better, but westerners on Reddit *love* posting pictures of hot Iranian women in bikinis as proof of some kind of ‘westernising’ golden age of what might have been.


i_owe_them13

All I know is, whatever it takes, we need to get Iranian babes back into bikinis and business coats


anonymousaccount0618

True tho, let people be free without going to Jail for it


TheSentinator

Same case was with Afghanistan


Numpsi77

1953 CIA coup, goodbye democracy hello Shah 1979 good bye Shah Hello Theocracy


nehalkhan97

It is scary to see how people here are just assuming that these women represent the typical situation of Iran before the 1979 revolution. I have seen these cherry picked photos so many times and people still fall for this. Yes, back then Sharia Law was not issued in Iran but what you are observing here is a minority of elite women with privileges dressing up like that not the majority certainly not an average Iranian woman dressed up like this. You still have wealthy and privileged Iranian women dressing up like this. Just go to Instagram and search "Rich kids of Tehran"


Dave_Crawford

That's like actual Handmaid's Tale right there. Really sad and kinda scary


polyhazard

In fact, Margaret Atwood cites it as an inspiration to write Handmaid’s Tale.


5af123

found some random ass rich iranis before the revolution . They had women wearing covering clothes then too. And btw these pics are from another period of dictatorship.


BagOnuts

Every time these pictures of “Western-looking” Iranian women are posted, the truth is buried here in the comments. These are obviously pictures of rich elites and this isn’t an accurate representation of life before the revolution for most Iranians. You’re also right in that the previous Shah was no less of a dictator, either. He banned the veil and ordered police to forcibly remove head scarves. Not much better than the opposite of requiring them, as both are suppression of these women. It is an illusion that they were previously a democracy.


MookieFlav

It's almost like the CIA shouldn't have overthrown their democratically elected government in the 50's so they could install a Shah that gave the West friendly oil deals and pissed of their people, which led to Iranian Revolution of '79.


Nilb0gz

Came here to say this. There's over 80 countries in the world that the CIA has helped "liberate" and most ended up like Iran or worse. Edit: Link from wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change


gbnats

Meanwhile Women of Saudi Arabia have always been downtrodden. Shhh though we can’t say that about our allies!


FrozenAlien-

Which was sponsored by US, Uk and France.


Sevlowcraft

Wow look at those vibrant people and places before religious extremism took over, hey America take note dont let the fucking Christians get more power.


Irrelevant-Lizard

What’s up with everyone loving the Shah? Why not recognize that both the Shah and the current Islamic republic are both shitty? Return to Mosaddegh.


Chancho1999

Us and Uk imperialism is responsible for the revolution in the first place


itsfairadvantage

Responsible for in the sense that the Revolution was a response *to* the US and UK sponsorship of the Shah


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This is like showing pics of Paris Hilton and saying 'women of America.' I don't support Islamisation, but there's something wonky here. Addendum: My father was born in Iran, in 1930, and worked most of his life nearby in Kuwait.


fatherrabbi

Im an American child of an Iranian immigrant (fled the Iran Iraq War in the 80s). I've never been to Iran, but these pictures make me so sad. I dont know if I'll ever visit in its current state.


mjs6181

They all became handmaid’s after this. Blessed be the fruit


Icemasta

The title is quite misleading. There was ONE part of Iran that was like that before the Islamic Revolution, the rest of the country wasn't like that at all. And that part was significantly small.


marcosg_aus

Shouldn’t it be referred to as a de-evolution?


RedFistCannon

I can't believe the amount of morons in the comments who lack any understanding of Iran's situation or history. Imma be honest, religion is not at fault for Iran's current situation, at least, not as much as illegal and crippling sanctions by the US for the simple reason that Iranians toppled the poor western boot-licking Shah. The only time Iran was better off from a societal point of view is pre-1953 before the US and UK fucked it up.


something3574

It was more like boot-deepthroating


RedFistCannon

If the hub had a tag for boot-deepthroating, Mr Shah would've been the Mia Khalifa of Iran


Hurricanrana101

Literally a picture of the top 1% elite in Iran and you present it like everyone dressed like this.


dada-ka-badla

Yeah I wonder why people aren't pointing this out


jk_james166

You can always thank the US and the UK for that


umaibo_buta

Go watch/read Persepolis. It's an autobiographie graphic novel series turned into an animated movie written and drawn by Marjane Satrapi, and she went through the Islamic Revolution and the Iran-Irak war. The artstyle is also very good


iamunforgiven69

Religion right? Ruins everything.


Makesyousmile

*Islamic Devolution Religion is fine, but when religion and governing get intertwined, society always fails.


Numerous_Arugula862

Fuck the Shah. Fuck the Islamic Republic Is being against islamic theocracies and authoritarian dictatorships really so controversial?


nasif10

May need confirmation, but wasnt this advertised everywhere as Iran being this "western" cultured country when in reality there was an abundance of poor people that were actually struggling to actually get basic needs? I believe the king was a bit of a wild card aswell and spent trillions on the biggest party on the planet for all royals in the world. I believe that was the tipping point for the islamic revolution. Regardless of what it was. If life was good as these pictures, wonder why there was a revolution at all to overthrow the government?


ElRetardio

Ah you mean before USA helped and installed the islamic state there?


frankfurterreddit

Iran is so enlightened now. /s