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ITS BEEN ONLY 60 YEARS???

ITS BEEN ONLY 60 YEARS???

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Arealentleman

A little more context, like location, would be cool.


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Analbox

Humans are an infection and I’m worried we’re gonna kill the host.


NoxicRox

Nah, the host usually blooms toxic algae that will kill everything in its path when we stress it out to much. We fine /s


chanj3

/r/technicallythetruth


Trick_Enthusiasm

You joke, but that's literally what's happened multiple times.


no-name-is-free

That may be why they said it....


Boomsbob

Who knows, maybe they just like algae and hate everything else.


TestPattern359

I use algae on my toxic waste and Spam sandwiches


Boomsbob

Don't you mean "I use algae on my toxic waste and toxic waste sandwiches."


BigPapaPage716

I was just learning about that!


GraceGreenview

Just a thought, but swapping out the word “blooms” for something more sinister like “invasion” or “assault” may give it the proper word association-to-death-potential vibe.


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thorgal256

If so having killed around 0.2% of the population since the beginning of Covid it has been largely unsuccessful.


NotThe1_

someone started the symptoms to early in plague inc


veerwolfe

Let me introduce you to Thanos Services. We have a track record of 50% annihilation against low percentages of covid.


JeremyJoseph78

Covid's manmade


bunnywithahammer

don't worry. the host has been alive for millions of years. It may be uninhabited for a while, but it will bounce back. let's just say, the host knows how to deal with infection.


yogert909

Exactly. The majority of life on earth is bacteria that barely noticed humans so far.


Analbox

True. We’re just another asteroid. The K-T boundary was worse than anything we could ever do. Life uh, finds a way.


bunnywithahammer

exactly. that's why I'm cynical when someone says "save the planet". planet doesn't need saving, our asses need saving.


NapClub

yeah save the planet means save our fragile interconnected ecological life web. the planet itself is fine unless we get hit by something moving near the speed of light more than 10% the size of the planet, that would destroy the planet.


bunnywithahammer

as long as there one bacteria alive, life has a chance to recover. may take a couple hundred millenias, but it will recover. it's humanity that's going to be erased. flora and fauna may look different than today. but it will live anyway.


line------------line

well that is until the sun expands engulfing the earth killing anything that might be left on it


bunnywithahammer

true. but that's inevitable. planet equivalent of death from old age.


pomo

If we play our cards right, it's an event our descendents will be watching from their own safely distant home planetary systems.


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Impalmator

In fact, life altogether may be irrelevant to the universe. Matter is matter.


pomo

Concious life is just the universe witnessing itself. We are part of the universe, not just in it.


New-Square3037

Agreed. Human arrogance is terrifyingly stellar.


ChipCob1

Or just be inhabited by different things. Cyanobacteria fucked things up by releasing loads of gas that was toxic to most life on earth....oxygen.


roeymiz

I'm actually thinking about it the same way. I see the world as a big living organism and humanity as a temporary virus, which will sooner or later be gone. Every being strive for it's wellness and harmony and will do what it takes to get rid of the disease.


Tarjay85

You have to keep in mind that while this looks shocking, the rural populations in China have mass migrated into the cities over the years for a better life which has help lead to their economic boom. Rural areas are essentially being reclaimed by nature


Lylle200

China has been actively reverting farmlands into forests and had multiple ongoing projects turning deserts into green area, but at the same time, they make tourist hotspots in rural areas, which I hate that a lot.


Tarjay85

Yup. They’ve also done more than any country in terms of reforesting the land. Just lookup NASA satellite study of how much China has re-greened the land in the past ten years. I’m not suggesting China is a good model for a country/society but there’s at least a bit more perspective to be had here.


Javlington

They just plant one kind of tree which then dies


Lylle200

TBH only a government like China can do things at this efficiency but uh... Yeah, what's the cost, so... Yeah hmm


josephmarvin95

LMAO you guys are so far up China’s ass. They’re the worst polluters in the world. Move there you commies


rpsls

Per person, they don’t come close to the US in pollution. They are just a country with a lot of people.


josephmarvin95

https://www.wri.org/insights/6-graphs-explain-worlds-top-10-emitters


josephmarvin95

Per capita is the dumbest thing to base off of because the majority of pollution is caused by industry. That’s just an excuse to divide by a bigger number


rpsls

Unless the Chinese start driving around in SUVs sucking down Big Macs and living in McMansions I suspect not taking that into account is just an excuse to shirk personal responsibility. As for industry, then we have to separate pollution creators versus pollution cause. If a Chinese factory manufactures a product for an American company that is primarily consumed in America, how should we allocate the blame for the pollution? I’m not excusing China’s record here, especially with specific things like the recent CFC incident. But to point to the most populous nation and say they’ve got the highest raw pollution numbers is also disingenuous. If China were split into 4.5 different US-sized countries their numbers would suddenly look a lot better.


Tarjay85

Oh dear. All I heard was derp der derp commie! Lol


RunDoughBoyRun

This goes against the narrative. You need to stop that whole “thought” thing you’re applying here.


m_jrdn_plyng_bsbll

Densely populated areas like this are actually less harmful to the environment than sprawled out suburbs because they don’t require ppl to drive long distances to get everywhere.


voxelghost

How do you do today agent Smith?


Tall-Sleep-227

Easy up on the Hitler talk there buddy.


Von_Lexau

What most people don't realize is that nature can handle a beating, while humans cannot. The climate crisis is not about being kind and saving the planet, it's about not making it inhospitable to us...


Dankincense_n_myrhh

The earth is 4.5 billion years old and has survived extereme cataclysmic events, i think it will be fine dont worry.


ErrantFinger

Well the host is several billion trillion tons of iron so I doubt we’ll be killing it anytime soon


bastiaanlos

Maybe so, but we are also the consciousness that is experiencing this. If we where not here, who would care about any of this? Yes we are having an effect, yes we can do better, but really, in the big scale of things, we are utterly insignificant. The earth is mostly empty. BUT only in consciousness/experience any of this makes any difference. The universe will be fine without us, without consciousness, but how would you know? Most humans are kind. Most humans are awesome. Most human care. Consciousness is straight up miraculous. I for one am rather impressed with the things we can achieve. Let's not be too hard on ourselves.


Hurricane-WhiteName

oh shut up with this crap. nature is a fucking ass hole. the billions who have died to exposure warrant no sympathy from me towards nature. we’ve just gotta make sure we don’t cook to death on here.


shiroandae

You’re part of the problem for being born, then. Selfish.


UglierThanMoe

The host will be fine. Seriously, Earth and live on Earth will go on. The Earth is just going to change -- or rather, is going *to be* changed by humans -- so that we as a species become extinct. Not a big loss in the grand scheme of things. Species come and go all the time. We're just unique in the sense that we're actively working on the "go" part out of greed and stupidity.


Mr_Lumbergh

We're just going to render the host unable to do so. It'll still be here after we're gone.


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Mr Anderson....


FenixthePhoenix

Calm down there Agent Smith


GodOCocks

Im the 666th upvote… devilish ;)


crispytortillaONig7

I had a smile from a perivous post and then I saw this post and I lost thag smile too fast. It's so sad seeing this.


Dryhte

When the host starts to run a fever, things will get interesting for us. Climate change anyone?


sekearney95

WONT SOMEBODY PLEEEEEEEASE THINK OF THE ECONOMY


Careless_Mushroom470

Look at the bright side, we’ll overpopulate and deplete our resources and once we do, we’ll kill each other into extinction, but the world will continue without us, perfectly fine like it did before us and it would rebalance itself, like she’s done so many times before.


SexyCyborg

Most Shenzhen residents are only children, products of the one-child policies that forcibly sterilized countless Chinese- including all the women in my family, because the government believed as you do. Now we have a demographic crisis, too many aging, not enough young people to work and support the economy. Be careful of "humanity is a plague" talk, there are solutions to this available to those who are pragmatic and powerful.


petesapai

Thanks I wonder how OP thought the average redditor would know that.


Larsthebandit

Evergrande doing what it does best... Oh wait a minute..


GigliWasUnderrated

And why is “1964” in Arial, but “Now” is in Comic Sans?


NiceDecnalsBubs

Also a red circle so I know what to look at.


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dick-sama

the top picture or the bottom picture?


Queasy_Recover5164

That’s Shenzhen - from a group of small villages to a city of 20 million in less than 60 years. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/internationaldevelopment/2020/06/09/an-ostromian-argument-for-charters-cities-institutional-resilience/


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urfuk

Farm that karma baby. No idea the context, the meaning or anything , just post it and sit back and smile, right redditor?


Petricorde1

Who actually gives a flying fuck about karma


urfuk

Apparently OP does.


Petricorde1

What in his response indicated that?


SexyCyborg

Without the dystopian filter- [this is a pretty typical view.](https://twitter.com/SeanUM_China/status/1434021365460332544) Better [before and after](https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/1383522677160247298) pictures. I'm a Shenzhen local, ask me anything.


CodyRud

Are you the sexy cyborg lady from YouTube? I'm just gonna ask questions first and then lurk profile later lol. Edit: you are!! I love your videos and think you are a very talented engineer.


SexyCyborg

Yep! That's very kind of you, thank you!


aegeaorgnqergerh

Thanks for this. Was going to say I get a strong feeling the picture leading this thread is *slightly* out of context unless China has demolished entire mountain ranges and the concept of colours. The growth of Shenzhen is indeed spectacular, but it isn't quite the dystopian nightmare the image leads us the believe.


SexyCyborg

It's very picturesque, but sure there are cautionary tales here- [we some insane levels of public surveillance etc.](https://www.scmp.com/tech/china-tech/article/2138960/jaywalkers-under-surveillance-shenzhen-soon-be-punished-text) which is mostly non-intrusive (and effective) but certainly would be considered dystopian by many Westerners.


aegeaorgnqergerh

Ooohhh trust me. I know all about how China works. See my thread history if you can be bothered - you'll know the one I mean!


The_Decoy

If I were to visit China for the first time would you suggest I visit Shenzhen or would I be better off going to other cities like Shanghai?


SexyCyborg

Really the only reason to start in Shenzhen is if you are a hardware (electronics) geek. Shenzhen has very little traditional culture, nightlife etc. Shanghai is more walkable, better sightseeing, history and culture. Shenzhen is where you come to build your crowdfunded Kickstarter product.


tmoneyxx

Omg it's you! 😂


GreenYellowDucks

Shanghai is the beat city. Beijing is more dirty but way more culture and the Great Wall I really loved it but it is harder for westerners. XiAn terracotta warriors is pretty fun you can do a bullet train there die a day or two. ChengDu is great as well amazing food. Then finally ZhangJiaJie is spectacular the mountains were the inspiration for the floating mountains in Avatar. I’d try to hit all those places in a loop or at least Shanghai Beijing ZhangJiaJie


fraggn_aut

I have a question. How? At some point the whole town had to be a single, gigantic construction site. How did the original townsfolk cope with that transition?


SexyCyborg

It's constantly a giant construction site! It never ends, jackhammers day and night. It can be hard to sleep... But as far as "original" there are only a few thousand of those- and they are mostly rich and mostly living abroad because they got massive compensation for their land. There's only really people who emigrated a decade or two earlier than everyone else.


Metaquotidian

That's badass. It looks so beautiful.


SexyCyborg

It is to me- it's home, but objectively it's a little bland. It does not have the historical architecture of other Chinese cities.


Marksd9

Can’t be the same location, the clouds are different


pomo

That was yesterday in ancient Greece.


one_is_enough

I like the way they have removed all traces of nature and color.


Tom_Clancys_17_Again

And human rights too


C-Z-C

who cares I just got a new iPhone


LiGuangMing1981

The average Zhou in China today has more freedom than the average Zhou in 1960 did.


ImFinePleaseThanks

That really says more about China under Communist Mao than China under Commucapitalist Xi Jinping.


so_schmuck

Baaaaasa


chanj3

lol


SignificantGolf9871

Those were missing to start with, too.


krenyx

There's a filter on the image that enhances the effect too.


glacierspin

lol the spooky gray filter


Ok_Monk219

Nice grey dystopian effect


Cobyh7

Endless city skyline of Tokyo: 😍❤🥰 Endless city skyline of anything from China: 😱😓🤬


i-likecheese_25

A man does a magic trick in China Redditors : this has something to do with the ccp and he is a spy .


AdolfaHittle-sama

Typical double standards


CousinJay

True lol


meexley2

Why the fuck would you not tell us where this is


Ct_Asides1999

Honestly it is only 40 years. Shenzhen special economy zone was established at 1984, What before this time is a small fish town called BaoAn.


4bz3

SimCity 9000?


Complex_Addition6262

Ah yes. That city we all know.


DrDeathMD

Crappy title.


Jsran14

A quick google search and we have … Shenzhen China


A_R_R-

I love how the picture of 1964 is coloured and picture of today is black and white


Decent_Neighborhood3

Imagine being a toddler in 60s and then witnessing it now.


HypothermiaDK

In the same time span we went from 4 billion to almost 8 billion people on earth....


PrismoBF

If it's the same place (geographically) , it's does not appear to be the same image location. There is no river in the city image as shown in the rural image and no large bay in the bay in the background as shown in the top left of the city image.


StartingReactors

TIL it’s 2024


i_Blither

TIL rounding exists


StartingReactors

But you said “only” 60 years. It’s been almost or nearly 60 years. Words mean things.


kararuhlunokerr

What the hell CCP


lovemaderare

Humans are a planetary infection. Those sci fi alien characters you see in movies that invade planets and destroy them? That’s basically us.


ariphron

They said f these hills we need more buildings.


Nexus772B

Am I supposed to believe thats the same location? Theres bodies of water in the "after" that aren't in the "before". Check the mountains in the background


Ethan_Edge

The hills do look the same, the picture doesn't line up exactly. If you look at the back left of the bottom picture you can make out one of the hills from the top picture.


Nexus772B

I mentioned the hills in reference to the body of water since in the "after" photos it looks like there is a lake/bay while the before is just grassland


Ethan_Edge

Oh yeah, I see what you mean. Does look a bit odd now that you've mentioned it.


theresonly151

Because hills can’t be moved or created, same with bodies of water. /s


fooisdone

My friends Caterpillar, John Deere, and Komatsu would like to talk to you outside...


theresonly151

My bad. Thought it was thick enough. Added the /s. I move dirt for a living, Deere sucks for it lol


Kumquat_conniption

It was..i hate now we all have to add an /s now when it should be plainly obvious.


theresonly151

We can be friends


Kumquat_conniption

:))


WifeofBath1984

There's an article about it in the comment above yours.


narniabot

Found the conspiracy-Pirat


Trextrev

Or you could just google Shenzhen China.


Nexus772B

Op never mentioned the city in the original post fyi. No way i was just going to know to Google Shenzhen. Either way even after having done so, the before and afters dont even look like the same area of the city. So without knowing the city its easy to think its two different locations.


909FineOhFine

I freaking love Toledo, but it peaked in the 50s


Apocalypsis_velox

Hellscape


SomberXIII

1964 looked like Heaven..


bilgetea

r/urbanhell


Kaustubh_13

This is very color distorted. Prolly taken in the monsoon season or something. Go and check out the comment by the Shenzen person above


StraightStand

Reminds me of that BBC video about Wuhan where they put on a sickish yellow filter for the English version and leave the Chinese version unfiltered. I'm not saying that is the case here but it's a possibility.


guywhoclimbs

No its cool. I didn't want to easily see where this is.


MJRusty

Beautiful valley to ugly hellscape, congrats humans.


WhosMilkIsThis

I hate China


whitethunder57

The future sucks


NoAppeal

HOLY SHIT! How did they get trapped in the time of black and white? We must save these people!


Ninjameme

we are literally cancer... an unchecked unwelcome growth upon the world...


MesmerizingDildo

I think about this all the time. We have been around for 300-200k years and we’ve undone hundred of millions of years of earths progress


eat_your_oatmeal

things really only went off the rails from an environmental sustainability standpoint when we industrialized in the last few hundred years, which, to your point, is a rate of change beyond comprehension (on a cosmic scale). it seems we're very unlikely to willingly deindustrialize ourselves, so nature is preparing to do it for us, agreed.


MesmerizingDildo

Yes it’s crazy to think we only discovered petroleum only 200 years ago and ever since, the pace at which the world moves has increased a hundred fold. The only solution to all this is earth ridding itself of us. Which is inevitably drawing nearer like you said. I wish I could see a 100 years from now or even 50. I’m sure it’s a completely different world than it is now but I wonder if it’s for the best or for the worst :/


glacierspin

gotta take it with some context. in order to preserve the environment we have to create effective high density urban areas for humans to live in instead sprawling out across the rest of nature, and also abolish capitalism and the united states hegemony. China will offer both and they are very aware of climate change


El_Sleazo

Oh, based department, you're finally here


colinftp

This makes me sick


MesmerizingDildo

Yes but where do you live exactly? What time do you live in?


Jyslina

And?


MesmerizingDildo

We are all a part of this. We live in city’s. Daily we consume many things that keep this whole machine going and going. Saying you feel sick when you see this is extremely hypocritical. Typing from your computer or phone. Surrounded by mass manufactured items. We are the reasons these cities need to exist. We are the reason Mother Earth is dying faster and faster everyday


littlebigman9

Are we expected to believe there the same location?


i_Blither

They’re, and yes…


littlebigman9

Where is this?


i_Blither

Shenzhen China


StrayDogPhotography

This is primarily due to Chinas massive underdevelopment up until the 1980s, coupled with giving certain cities preferential treatment. Basically, you create the perfect environment for the rapid emptying the countryside, and the creation of massive new cities. This photo doesn’t so much represent excessive development, it represents how far behind China was for centuries. And how much it had to catch up. If it’s economic growth had been faster, these cities would have existed before the 1960s.


DankeyKahn

Those mountain ranges don't look the same, and that's a lot of displaced water


whomstnd

That's depressing


Tall-Sleep-227

Absolutely incredible. Human ingenuity!


Illustrious-Fun-7455

Aliens


Vegan_Harvest

I hope there's life elsewhere in the universe.


MysticSeer22

There is


rhino44444

Looked so much more peaceful is 64


kudosBruh

Yo where the green at


SexyCyborg

Shenzhen is one of the greenest cities in the world! [Full of parks and hills](https://streamable.com/xtkbbn) to hike up. [We're ranked number 5 in the world for green space](https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/cities-with-the-most-greenspace.html)


kudosBruh

Well this image is misleading. Thanks


Ali13929

Can we go back?


guiltfreepeasant

Depressingasfuck*


Mysterious_Market_17

/r/urbanhell


LuciusQuintiusCinc

Hideous concrete jungle


SexyCyborg

A little bit of a jungle, in the old old neighborhoods at night, [a little cool also...](https://streamable.com/5b7z2i)


hellojuly

America normalizing trade relations is a heck of a thing. US Dollars built that. Made in Hong Kong and Made in Taiwan became Made in China.


urfuk

Spoiler alert: half those buildings are empty, owned by Evergreen as part of a state-funded ponzi scheme that has recently collapsed, taking the fortunes of millions of working people down with it. These scumbags had the nerve to actually demand workers loan money to the company. And you can Google all that yourself, as most of you won't read the links I vote in the first place. Hint: evergreen demands workers loan it money. Copy and paste.


LiGuangMing1981

Evergrande =/= Evergreen. Kind of kills your credibility when you can't even get the company name right.


slumdog-millionnaire

Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A _virus_. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.


Txedomoon

But it hasn't been 60 years. 2024 - 60 ≠ 2021


i_Blither

That..says…1964? I know it’s not exactly 60, I just rounded to the nearest 10


Ouchtown_pop_1

Replace interesting with Sad for this one. The expansion of “humanity” is sad


Strange-Effort1305

Santa Fe is kicking ass!


Mauri416

Both are places some earth?


freakanature

Woah woah. They still have three years to add on until your title is true.


Delsious_NSFW_Art

That poor sky...


dudewholoveswolves

@OP why your math brokey????


johnprice101

Development off the charts, keep it up.