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Gatekeeping through irresponsibility

Gatekeeping through irresponsibility

itisausernameiguess

My 71 year old mother is still working due to her savings being wiped out by health issues. Mom started drawing social security at 70 and says she’ll never retire because her salary + SS is the most she’s ever made in her life, and she feels she needs that security. It’s incredibly sad. Edited to add: Mom is a leftist who is horrified with what her generation has done to the planet, millennials, etc.


1purenoiz

My mother-in-law was married for 25 years, to another woman, she can't collect any social security after her spouse passed away. She was a homemaker so she continues to work at her age because social security is so crap for her that she couldn't live on it alone. We do what we can to help her out but we have outstanding student debt as well.


itisausernameiguess

I’m so sorry about your MIL! That is horrible.


pollyanna15

Why can’t she collect ss? SSA recognized same sex married couples in 2015. She should reapply. https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10014.pdf


1purenoiz

I believe you had to have been legally married prior to ones death.


pollyanna15

Per the guideline that I attached it says: We now recognize same-sex couples’ marriages in all states, and some nonmarital legal relationships (such as some civil unions and domestic partnerships), for purposes of determining entitlement to Social Security benefits. Worth a shot.


1purenoiz

But they were not married, legally. I will look into it, but I am not holding my breath.


humanreporting4duty

What state? Common law marriages count, but I imagine common law marriage excludes same sex


ahhh-what-the-hell

All In The Family - Season 4, Episode 3 https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/all_in_the_family/s04/e03 EPISODE INFO Trouble starts in the Bunker house when the family finds an 82-year-old pajama-clad stranger in their living room. Genre: Comedy Network: CBS Air Date: Sep 29, 1973 Directed By: John Rich —————————————————————- During this episode Edith finds an old man (Quigly). He left the old folks home because they treat him bad. He also gets $180 in social security PER MONTH while the cost of living is $202 as Mike Stivic (Rob Reiner) tells Archie. This aired in 1973. My In-law gets about $800 in benefits (2021). All I can say is: * Nixon pulling us of the gold standard started this mess. * Reagan just inflated debt levels. * Trump just continued the stupidity. Other than that, take some time to watch the show. Every season impacts you. It relates to exactly what is happening right now. It also shows you the behavior of crazy people hating Conservatives behind closed doors. Norman Lear is a genius. Archie’s hate for non white people is so terrible, it’s comical.


Bonfalk79

BuT tHe EcOnOmY iS aT a AlL tImE hIgH


5fngrcntpnch

This is literally my current issue. Old guy is 70 won’t retire. I need his territory due to family obligations including helping out my mother in law with progressing MS. I guess I’ll have to resign soon. Oh well. I’ll just cut back on avacado toast.


davidj1987

I had something similar at a previous employer. The department director, the position above them opened up but they couldn't or wouldn't move up... I don't want to blame them completely because maybe corporate had some policy so they hired someone above them to replace the person who left and everyone below them, well no career growth for you because the person who could move up didn't. Shit like that is why I left.


brzantium

This is part of the problem - a lot of companies do this. One would hope that if a position became available, there would be string of promotions. Instead, it's quicker and cheaper to move someone laterally, rearrange the org chart, and/or bring in an outside hire.


davidj1987

Oh this company was terrible with that. In this lady's defense maybe she wasn't qualified in the eyes of corporate for the next position up - her education and experience are a lot less to the guy who filled the position above her. Not saying that as a dig though. A lot of people don't like her but she didn't do anything to me and was cool by me. But maybe she was qualified and just didn't want to do it. Which I can kind of understand - said company was terrible with pay increases if you move or transfer so it may not have been worth it. But still it would have done wonders for people below her. At the very least if she got promoted a supervisor would have taken her job, and someone could become a supervisor. I heard when she filled the position she has now, she was only going to do it for six months and has been there for a long time now.


airot87

At my job there are a number of 65+ employees...he'll there's at least a few 70+ year olds...smh it's a mess


crochetawayhpff

The average age at my company is 57....57! It's insane. I'm the third youngest person at 35.


airot87

I'll be 34 in a few weeks and I've been at my job for about 15 years. I started at 19...and I was the youngest for almost 10 years or so...I was the same age as my coworkers grandkids...


SinCorpus

Imagine being 24. It's rare when a coworker isn't at least twice my age. Has it always been this way?


davidj1987

There is this one REALLY old lady at my previous employer, literally pushing 80 and zombie walking at my old job who was walking in a trance and damn near tripped and snapped out of it...I was so tempted to say maybe it's time you retire. And yes they could afford it.


airot87

There so many people like that at my job...they walk so slow...I've lapped a few people going places. They're taking up so much space as far as holding up younger people from getting/having these jobs. It's messed up


davidj1987

This lady doesn't hold any job bottlenecking anyone despite having the education to hold a position so she's not really holding anyone up. But she's ready to retire.


JK_NC

They may be sticking around for the health insurance. Medical will eat through retirement savings faster than anything else.


davidj1987

And that's probably why some of these older people are still working.


cspikes

There’s a guy at my partner’s work who is so old he’s literally pooped himself on the job more than once, but he can’t retire because his terrible middle aged son won’t go get a fucking job. I can’t imagine being like 45 and watching my dad slowly kill himself at work because I’d rather sit at home and play video games


airot87

Damn...now THAT is messed up. I'm sure that's a similar issue with the old guys here...


Deviknyte

I work in a court. Judges are old as fuck.


TheLucidCrow

Everyone over 50 in my company is a VP or a Director. More managers than employees who do the actual work. And you could hire three of us for one of their salary.


ZaphodBBlebrok

And when they retire those positions will just be *gone* while everyone else chases inflation with their 3ish % annuals (if you’re lucky)


Jaded_Historian9584

Y’all getting annual raises?


FoxtrotZero

Only because they've been bumping up the minimum wage every year.


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Youve drank too much koolaid. Tell your hospice nurse its time for bed.


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paraouji

Tell your hospice nurse it's time for bed.


Commercial_Pitch_950

unfortunate to see them go senile so early


Aloemancer

Doesn't particularly help when that experience hasn't been relevant since 1998


musclebarbie22

Bet I can open a PDF tho


dodsontm

You didn’t have to kill him like that 😂


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musclebarbie22

The point is not the pdf. The point is the ability to learn and adapt to new technology.


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paraouji

Affecting it negatively. They're lumps of flesh who get paid to tell people to do stuff over again when it was done right the first time.


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Owyn_Merrilin

Not the burn you think it is if he's also working full time. Or even if he's not, considering how hard it is to get a decent job these days, even by the current twisted definition of "decent."


paraouji

No. I own my own home.


musclebarbie22

Perhaps, it depends on the industry and the situation. We are both painting with too broad a brush


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musclebarbie22

I am discrediting specifically someone that is offloading work onto others because they don't know how to do it and/or refuse to learn, but they still have a disproportionately higher salary because they have been there longer. Yes, they likely grinded to get to their position initially, that's very commendable. But learning is a lifelong pursuit and if you stop learning and hustling, then the opportunity should go to someone that is. Like you in your position at your age.


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Letscommenttogether

Everywhere. Guess you just dont have the experience to find them. You didnt struggle. Jesus you dont even know what the word means. You either got lucky, or didnt struggle much at all. Edit: Gonna go with liar. Unless youre a psychology student as well? But no college? Or maybe work in a call center?


paraouji

Hahaha. Marketing? You expect us to take you seriously when you say you have a "difficult" management position in, of all things, marketing?


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Camarokerie

Newsflash, dickcheese. These jobs were created and handed out 30 years ago. They don't exist anymore. Healthcares and pensions? Like anyone born after 1985 is ever gonna see shit like that. Hell, even social security is unicorn to us. Take your boomer shit and eat it with piss.


reconmonk

I was a director of marketing and sales in a software company at 25 with a degree, a shit load of experience, and the stupid willingness to work 80+ hours a week for months on end. I was surrounded by other executives who were 50+ who literally got their jobs because they knew their way around a golf course, and that is not an exaggeration. Having to constantly explain the absolute bare basics of digital marketing and how to not run a modern software company into the ground through alarming stupidity is the reason I, and many others, do not worship VP’s/directors/executives simply because of their title and their so called “years of experience”


TraaCom

More risk? Risk of a better life? More stress? Obviously not. If only you knew what a job was.


paraouji

Sounds like you can't open a pdf.


llechug1

You do know failing upwards is a thing?


mctheebs

Just because a person can't get hired doesn't mean they can't do the job lol


RighteousIndigjason

What do you consider an "actual job"?


Pehnguin

I'm under 30 years old and been working for my current company about 2 years, trying to get a better job while also trying to set up some new grads to get jobs at my company. Just got assigned as a "mentor" to someone who is new to my project. Had a phone call to get acquainted today and learned he's 64 and has been an engineer for like 40 years


One_Patient_3703

Oh man. Score! (As a 30 yo. engineer). Learn everything you can from this person. Ignore the tech choices and pay attention to what they are saying.


Over-West-5050

Or won't retire because they have no understanding of life outside of work and would be hopelessly lost.


hideous_coffee

My dad retired in May and says it was the worst decision of his life. He's hopelessly bored and hopelessly depressed. I can't imagine grinding for 30+ years to get to retirement only to be miserable.


ISTNEINTR00KVLTKRIEG

>My dad retired in May and says it was the worst decision of his life. He's hopelessly bored and hopelessly depressed. I can't imagine grinding for 30+ years to get to retirement only to be miserable. A lot of Male Boomers are just crazy and get literally all of their fulfillment and self esteem via work. Which I don't understand at all. Take up literally any hobby or fix your fence. All of that is 100x better than going to some stupid ass job anyway for about 90% of the global population. Unless he's literally saving people's lives, I doubt his job was that fulfilling. Tell him to go volunteer at a soup kitchen or build houses with habitat for humanity if he's struggling that much. Personally? I'd just be playing video games, playing music, hiking, camping and maybe fishing. I wouldn't give a damn. Fuck work. Its a sham anyway. Everything I want to do doesn't entail conventional work.


ithinarine

My dad just turned 59 and has FINALLY just picked up the hobby of woodworking this past year or so. We are all so happy because before this one thing, he had literally zero hobbies. Nothing interested him besides work, and the occasional book. Before this he would finish work, eat, and then do paperwork that he should be doing the next day, but he's got nothing else to do, so why not?


unoriginal_14

Some people enjoy their jobs and find it to be their purpose. It gives them something to wake up for everyday, people to interact with. Just like when an old person loses a spouse, if they lose (retire) their job, they lose purpose and go down hill very quickly.


hydroxypcp

That's all fine and I also like my job, but unless it's a job that actually benefits society, it's weird. Like, being able to retire but continuing to work some useless office job is just sad.


Branamp13

Sounds to me a lot like these are just people who never self-actualized. You say this like they couldn't possibly find something that gives them purpose outside of a job, but purpose is something you can make yourself. It doesn't have to come from an external source, and is quite often more genuine and fulfilling when it comes from within.


TheRealJulesAMJ

I think Viktor Frankl might say purpose becomes meaning when it comes from within and we honestly embrace it. [Man's Search For Meaning](https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginfile.php/3403095/mod_resource/content/1/56ViktorFrankl_Mans%20Search.pdf) by Viktor Frankl


TimothiusMagnus

Former Chrysler chairman Lee Iacocca wrote that he saw people die two years after retirement under their 30 and Out plan. He said they would retire and veg out in front of the TV.


omgsohc

Then when they do retire, they aren't replaced. In my career field, a specialized form of manufacturing, most of the old guys are slower and less efficient in what they do. The rate at which they retire is infrequent enough that everyone else in the shop can basically pick up his slack until one or two more guys retire, at which point they'll hire one more person. The old timers at my last shop would tell me about back in the heyday in the late 60s thru the early 80s there was 150ish guys on the shop floor running 10-12 production lines. When I quit 4 years ago there was 68 guys running 25 lines. Now, granted, a large chunk of that is due to advances in the industry, but we were on mandatory overtime, most of us putting in 60+ hour weeks every week, so it's not like there was a shortage of work, just manpower. That place had a myriad of issues, though... My point is that even when they retire, it doesn't always mean anything.


greentarget33

It's insane that every place is like this, I'm an IT guy and I'm currently working at the only place in my 8 years of working so far that isnt running a skeleton crew, everyone else I know everywhere else in the industry is barely ontop of basic maintenance. This place only has a larger staff because we support hundreds of millionaires and they demand such a high level of service that everyone they hire is hilariously over qualified. I know global tech managers in other companies with less experience, expertise, and pay than our service desk.


yamugushi

Working in aeropsace I don't know how much of this is an issue, there's certainly a large share of boomers but there's still demand for new hires. The aerospace industry got wrecked in 2001 and 2008 so the industry was playing catchup prior to COVID. That said here's an absolute banger of a real life story. There was an internal job posting that I was interested in applying for, super technical and unique. I call up the hiring manager and he tells me they have 1 guy that's retiring, he basically pioneered the entire task in the 80s. Started knowing nothing, wrote fortran scripts etc. to do these special tasks. The guy retiring was a fancy titled (read as high paid) engineer, the job posting was for a 3-5yr 'early career engineer'. I was like cool, I know how to code, I'm curious I'll apply. Then the manager says he only wants people already experts on the super niche task, preferably a PhD. Note I can't imagine any PhD wanting a step above entry level engineer gig. So basically I was told that in the past the company had taken a moonshot on one guy, advanced him up the ladder to easily $200k/yr salary... and wanted to directly replace him with an equally knowledgeable PhD, and likely pay half that.


bremsstrahlung007

As a fellow AE, this is a sobering tale indeed.


paraouji

Oh. Whoah. I think I might be that guy in the beginning of his career at the company I'm with now


grltrvlr

I worked as an Americorps worker after I couldn’t land a job in my field after like a year and a half. The non profit I worked with employed a woman whose husband was beyond loaded but like a famous veterinarian that always traveled or something? Anyways, she was drunk at work and EVERYONE knew and it wasn’t as if she was getting her work done, most of it fell to her younger co-worker. And it was a section 8 affiliated non profit, so potentially if paper work wasn’t filed people could loose their housing! But you know, they felt *sorry* for her because without this job she would be all alone?! Great. I’m over qualified with a masters doing work for a stipend and I was looking for work for so long to pay down my loans and get my career going—but she would have been lonely.


solvsamorvincet

As a millennial with a Miata I don't know whether I'm being attacked here or not.


omgsohc

As a millennial with a Miata, you should just assume you're always being attacked. Source: 2 NAs and an NC in my past, and I liked the NC best


solvsamorvincet

Good point! NB here, it was always just my favourite Miata, but I like the other ones as well. They all have their own cool things.


feembly

You're good, just line your rear tires up with your neighboring cars when parking.


solvsamorvincet

You know, I habitually drive to the top of the bay cause that's how you get taught how to park, but I'm gonna do this from now on. When I can drive again. I haven't been able to go anywhere for months cause of covid lol.


jdmb0y

NA checking in


solvsamorvincet

Flappy light Boi 😁 I have an NB but I love seeing y'all and getting a light flip whole I'm driving!


Mystic-Magestic

I wish it was more discussed how boomers are completely clogging up the job market for millennials. By the time boomers are ready to retire we will be too!


I_Am_DragonbornAMA

Not to worry! You'll never be able to retire.


SonOfSwanson87

My retirement plan is my latent mental problems slowly phasing me out of the work force. At some point it's better for everyone if grandpa is stoned in his garden than anxious at work.


dharmabird67

Us Gen Xers have been completely leapfrogged over. We have never had our turn.


ferdsherd

Isn’t there a worker shortage right now in part because many retired during Covid layoffs?


Mystic-Magestic

I don’t think they’re adding most of those jobs back. Hence proving that many really well paying jobs boomers had for a long time are no longer necessary, and haven’t been for a while. But they had to keep giving them that giant paycheck they agreed to give them when they hired them like 25 years ago or more.


Individual-Nebula927

That's one of the reasons so many companies are trying to force workers back to the office. Boomer middle managers are terrified of it being revealed that work gets done without them micromanaging their employees, and thus their job isn't required to exist.


ferdsherd

Sounds like corporations were being pretty generous if they kept the checks coming! No reason for them to be that nice


InsydeOwt

Sorry about your pension. We gambled with it. At least you get Medicade.


Admiral_dingy45

Medicade for you to use only for a few years before all those chronic debilitating health issues you put off cause of constant work kill ya!


bluemagic124

This meme has potential


garaks_tailor

Slaps top of meme. You can fit so much coping mechanism inside this bad boy


Mystic-Magestic

Everyone over 50 should be required to prove they can open a PDF, edit it, create an excel worksheet and a PowerPoint. Watch how quickly the job market would open for us. When they were hired I’m sure their only requirement was ‘are you a warm body that has at least seen a computer in use?’


geologean

Not even exaggerating, some of my favorite coworkers have been Boomer women in libraries. They've sat around talking about how when they were in high school men would come out of buildings when they were walking down the street to offer them jobs, because they needed secretary work done. It really was a completely different world.


Mystic-Magestic

Ugh why couldn’t I be born in the 50s or 60s.


dharmabird67

More like 40s or 50s. It wasn’t so great for us early Gen Xers entering the job market in the early 90s.


Mystic-Magestic

Well I guess the boomers are just going to dominate and push out every generation after them. They’re definitely still gonna be alive and kicking to hold back Gen Z as well I bet.


davidj1987

I worked for a lady who is way under qualified for the job and should be shown the door. Epitome of the peter principal and ok, boomer. They have a high school education. Whoever replaces them is going to require an MBA easily. They'll never retire because they spend money like a drunken sailor despite their husband alone having 2 pensions and social security. If they were fired, man I don't know what would happen.


ISTNEINTR00KVLTKRIEG

>They have a high school education. Whoever replaces them is going to require an MBA easily. That's what gets me. The requirements were 6 feet below the grave for them.


davidj1987

And us begging for free education may only justify them inflating or increasing requirements. Not saying it will for a fact but it may. We need to do something about the costs of college absolutely but we need to address this degree inflation too.


ISTNEINTR00KVLTKRIEG

>And us begging for free education may only justify them inflating or increasing requirements. Not saying it will for a fact but it may. We need to do something about the costs of college absolutely but we need to address this degree inflation too. I don't mind pursuing a degree, but its the cost and living expenses during. So, if that's all covered with UBI and the degree is free? Cool.


useles-converter-bot

6 feet is the length of like 8.28 'Zulay Premium Quality Metal Lemon Squeezers' laid next to each other.


FoxtrotZero

Bad bot


KingPoopty

Good bot


useles-converter-bot

thank you :)


omgsohc

My career field requires almost none of those tasks and suffers the same issue as the original meme. If you judge an elephant by its ability to swim....


TimothiusMagnus

Then they will keep asking the younger crowd on how to do it and not retain it.


Mystic-Magestic

Right. Because they have already put their ‘dues’ in and deserve to be compensated for a job they can no longer do.


El-Viking

You done the Miata dirty. I miss my little green NA. Edit: Should have been a Smart Fortwo.


davidj1987

That and if they could afford to retire...they need health insurance and are too young for medicare. If we lowered the medicare age or single payer I'm sure we'd have some older worker retire allowing some younger person to move up somewhere.


TheSwoleNerd0

Add in the fact ATS exists locking out qualified people, degree or no degree, out of jobs. Imagine if every "retirement age" people retired tomorrow. Just waiting for it to backfire on us


HighSchoolJacques

>ATS Acclaim Technical Services?


cuepinto

Applicant tracking software. It’s a system the scans input information and ranks them based on inputs + whatever the hiring manager is looking for specifically.


New-Simple-

Ehh, 60+ can't work as many different job types as millennials. But also, what accessible job is abundant enough for the average millennial to build ANY life, measurable to that of the 60 year old?


geologean

Also consider that the millenial is likely more educated and has a better ability to implement new tech into the job, if necessary, compared to a typical Boomer, or even older Gen X. Millenials and Gen Z on the right side of the Digital Divide are simply more productive. It's the Digital Native advantage.


New-Simple-

Agreed. I have yet to meet a gen x who doesn't call me with simple tech questions at least twice a month. (I know a lot because I frequent an industrial business park) However that divide is beginning to change. Gen z is having an extremely difficult time figuring out how to operate windows os, stemming from a lack of understanding of computer file systems and directories. (I'll edit in a link momentarily) Crazy times. Edit: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1375321-report-suggests-many-gen-z-students-do-not-know-how-to-use-a-basic-file-directory/ It's a forum, but I believe they have a link to the original article there, plus a good breakdown


geologean

I think early adopter Millenials just have the history to understand why things have developed they way that they have. We saw it all coming together over our adolescence and learned to think in terms of the underlying ugly legacy systems that modern UIs are built on top of. A lot of that may end up going away with the advent of quantum computing though. It's an opportunity to imagine a completely different data structure. It is also a necessary next step because we're already approaching the physical limitations of conventional computing.


New-Simple-

Quantum computing IS super cool, but it has issues with fundamental laws of physics that seemingly can't be solved. For example, reducing noise interference between qubits. It's thus far impossible to do without reducing components to absolute zero, which just can't be done. Quantum mechanics is also the reason we can't continue with classical computers. The transistor is 5nm, currently, but at 1-2 atoms thick, the information traveling through the system simply skips right over the transistor. (Admittedly I haven't kept up with many of these new advancements as of late, so idk if some of this has changed) I expect there will be solutions to these problems at some point, but will it be quick enough to be effective at making positive change? And if so, what protections will be put in place to prevent such a powerful technology from being squandered?


SpaceGuy1968

Ive herd this before with nanometer scale transistors and here we are... We may see other adoptions for quantum computing like quantum networking and some encryption methodologies that can leverage the quantum space without using Quibits in a traditional CPU based architecture I have hopes for entangled networking messaging that will not need encryption in the beginning due to if the messaging is read.... along the way it is instantly rendered invalid or unreadable


New-Simple-

Yeah, I've read a couple articles on China's advancements with their quantum internet, and that had me SO excited. And then I heard some researchers were able to build modular quantum computers, which is super cool too (is that what you mean by quantum network? Or something else? I stumble through this stuff ha ha) I've also heard about an entangled network. Toshiba was able deploy a "quantum secure" network by encoding photons, which reminds about some peripheral technology using photonic computing, I think? Sorry, I'm rambling ha ha Anyway, you're right. There are budding technologies that require a respectful excitement. I just hope they're not used for eeeeeeevil


SpaceGuy1968

There is some potential research into quantum entangled photons swnt via standard fiber channel media ... yes the toshiba research is promising... The photon travels down a standard fiber / optical media..... if it arrives at the receiver's sensor its state will be change if observed outside the channel thus rendering the message (or bits/quibits) not valid eliminating the need for encryption. In fact the message will arrive as jibberish Or Also you have some research on entangled quantum processors totally eliminating the need for network media completely (if you have 2 quantum based cpu engines) you can transmit data without network media completely thus you have communication between two points without and media be it RF or other physical media types


SpaceGuy1968

I just told my group of freshman college students this exact same thing.... they are about to see a paradigm shift from binary to quantum computing it really is a very radically different environment.... Dont worry even with that change many will hold onto those legacy systems...... (Sorry im a 50 something Gen X who can open a pdf or hack his way around the internet when he feels bored)


Divin3F3nrus

Man, I had a manager come down this week, mid 60s. He asked my manager (late 50s) to help him find where his training documents were stored on the computer. My manager has trouble copying PDFs from his email and placing them into folders so he sent him to me (younger millennial). It took 1 try. As I explained it to him and showed him I took snippets of every file directory step and highlighted where he needed to go. Then I went through a second way using our internal drive and sent it to him in an email. This is my normal protocol because if I don't do it this way they will come back to me every time. It blows my mind, I mean buddy it's not hard. Basic computer literacy isn't hard, I mean I'm just barely more than literate. I couldn't remember how to log out because I had never used windows 10 before so I made a batch file to log me out, that's a great example of how my knowledge is nearly a decade old and I'm working circles around these guys.


nwz123

They're just lazy. /s Wait no, f that. No /s!


Disc077

>I have yet to meet a gen x who doesn't call me with simple tech questions at least twice a month. Wow. Am genx, kinda have the opposite experience, millenials and genz asking me how shit works all the time. My wifes niece studies computer science and could not figure out what cable is being used for a device /USB type-b. Never heard of stack overflow, github , not realy able to google problems or anything, I was devasted, she will get her bachelors in like a few months.


New-Simple-

The gen xers I know are mostly mechanical guys because that was the prevalent tech for them and their fathers. Lots of engineers, lots of old aviation mechanics and wrench turners. Brilliant men and women when it comes to spatial reasoning, but ignorant as a brick when it comes to computers. And, I mean, I sympathize, cause it's such a transition from analog to digital. The gen zers I know, are all about their apple products and couldn't tell a file from a folder. But I'm in Washington state, and these gents existed before the tech boom when Boeing reigned king.


Disc077

>The gen xers I know are mostly mechanical guys because that was the prevalent tech for them and their fathers. Guess genx is a super mixed bag lol But you are right, have friends my age that are like that. One of my best mates is the worst, it makes me go insane some times, he is a complete stoic, which makes it even more rage infusing sometimes. Like you need to give him a call and speak on his answering machine the day before you meet with him so he brings his cellphone. I can not count the times where something happens like being late and no possibility to let him know or whatever, It is crazy. Years ago I needed to take away his first gen Nokia and just give him a smartphone. Same with computers and everything. I can not understand this behaviour, like at all. TF are you scared of? For him this is life changing decisions and since he is like completely risk averse, you need to literally take shit away from him and change to updated stuff, otherwise he would have still only have a landline for example. How?


Dantien

I’m Gen X and had to show a Gen Z how to install a windows printer driver today. Don’t lump us in with idiot Boomers. We were teaching them what a browser is 22 years ago.


Disc077

\^\^ yes this, Still there is a lot of boomer type genx unfortunately.


xero_peace

That's why blockchain is going to dominate once boomers fuck off. It's going to revolutionize so many industry sectors.


Individual-Nebula927

Blockchain is just a terribly inefficient database. It's rehashing the wheel for no real benefit.


HighSchoolJacques

>Stole their savings To be fair, they were idiots for panic selling. This is precisely why it's so important to keep your money in rain or shine. Markets sometimes they go down, but they almost always go up. We're likely to have a recession in the next few years so my advice: don't panic sell when it goes down.


SolidProduct

How many people in their 50s and 60s would love to retire, work part time, or start a business but can't because they are "Working for Benefits"? I bet there are lots that would love to get out of the way but can't, because their health insurance keeps them tied to a job they'd otherwise leave.


democracy_lover66

Damn if I don't feel that hard


idriveachickcar

US healthcare is shit. That’s why many olds work until they drop


Thorongilen

This one burns my soul, sweet bastard


cdnincali

You do know that your hypothetical 60 year old's retirement age is 67, just like you, right? No one's retirement age has ever been sixty, at least not for full SS benefits. [What the SSA has to say about retirement age](https://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/nra.html)


static_func

> You do know that your hypothetical 60 year old's retirement age is **67, just like you, right?** I'm 31 and there's no chance in hell the retirement age will still be 67 by the time I'm that age, and the chances of it being as cushy as social security are even lower. It shouldn't even be 67 now. It's part of why so many boomers are bleeding our country dry. On top of spending all our money on fuck-all they're only working for half their lives.


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static_func

It should be higher. At least 70 by now. When the retirement age was raised to 67 in 1960, the average life expectancy was ***69*** and it's ***79*** now. Full social security benefits might not kick in until 67 yet the average boomer is still retiring at 64, meaning that on average they're contributing nothing to the economy for ***35 years*** or 40-45% of their lives. What's more, since the richer ones paradoxically get more social security benefits, the real numbers are even worse since the biggest recipients are lasting longer. > they'll have worked longer than you've been breathing They'll have been _not_ working longer than I've been breathing too.


Rikarudo_kun

I'm kinda glad I am part of a culture where elders are taken care of when it's time for them to retire. I've delivered to senior homes and you can't imagine how many elderly tell me they haven't seen their kids/grandkids for months.


nightmuzak

I imagine that culture doesn’t have the attitude that you’re on your own the day you hit 18. Boomers and Xers who bought into that can’t go all shocked Pikachu when it bites them in the ass later.


bwhodgson

Christ this is gold


CheesecakeNo1736

Great format, very sharp, love the fuck out of this meme!


BeardedManKid

So disgusting to comment without using your critical faculties. No one is shaming them for needing to work, I directly implied that I'm part of a group whom will need to work EVEN MORE. Put your helmet back on and let the school bus drive you to the building where you get pudding cups. Slack jawed nincompoop.


__ButtFuqqer3000__

Wow. There it is right there…. I have never seen it summed up so well


cdnincali

1/ you torture averages 2/ yes, someone that's worked 40 years so far has worked longer than you have drawn breath, at least so far 3/ y'all think that upping the retirement age will get boomers out of the way? thought this was about them being in the way 4/ the original retirement age was cruel. "If you happen to make it to 65, here's a bit of money for a few more years." 5/ retiring at 64, and giving up the max benefit is curious. It is an average, though, so half (if normal) work beyond 64 and towards or beyond 67 6/ boomers are not some secret cabal that run the country like a super villian. All but a tiny sliver are just as stuck in the machine as you, or gen-xers, anyone really. Working towards a better world for all instead of throwing insults is a better course 7/ 67 is long enough to work.


Naked_Palpatine1138

8/ ok boomer


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Conscious_Accident85

Not if they were invested in the banks or several other investments where youd of lost everything. Or if they're fund managers went bust.


baumer1781

Agreed. I don't understand why this idea that people lost all their money in 2008 perpetuates. Yes there was a recession but the stock market rebounded and has almost tripled from that prior peak now. I think it is more of a cultural issue that people aren't retiring. They either don't know what else to do after aligning their self worth to their work or are fearful of an uncertain future and keep hoarding resources for themselves.


Xaida-Huestruck

This is what gen z will say about us 🤣.


DukeOfGeek

The whole generation thing is just astrology anyway, except in two decade segments instead of months.


Xaida-Huestruck

🤣🤣🤣 Really? That is hilarious! What are the archetypes for people based on their gen class? I only know them as simple age spectrum categories so I had no idea we all get our generational mythologies. I kind of want to do some art designs for them if they are funny enough so anything you know would be appreciated.


DukeOfGeek

One of the things that makes them useful for the divide and conquer set is there isn't any really set group of characteristics, so they can impress whatever mold on them that's useful at the moment. The sub seems to have spent a lot of time ruminating about the subject though so I say if you really want to engage in some artistic satire you should make a new post and outline your project and ask for ideas in a comment thread.


Xaida-Huestruck

Thank you, I'll do just that.


Prof_Acorn

Academia in one photo. Except instead of 60, it's more like 75+.


itsaclusterfuck

So disgusting to blame others who need to work to survive.


homelessgranddad

Sooo so very true, too


RexxPhysics4

Oh shit...that one crossed the aisle & hurt all of us


DoggoLord27

Waiting on the old guys at my post office to retire so I can step up to full career but "I don't know what I'd do after I retire"


DiminishingSkills

I love reading all these posts. Seems like everyone here has everything figured out And really understands what it’s like to be older in the workforce. (I’m 45 now). Oh wait, you have no idea, but think you do. I hope all of you save this post and reread in 20 years. I’m sure all of you will be willing to walk away from your job when you have kids to take care of, college to pay for, etc……


BeardedManKid

Oh, it isn't a matter of being willing to leave or not. It's commentary on how they (since you aren't even the generation mentioned) let the foxes into the hen house (Reagan and Clinton mainly) and those foxes sold us all down the river as they started representing the interests of bankers instead of you and me. I correctly observe that they sucked all of the milk from the tit of post war 50's-70's America and now the neo-fascist politicians they vote for leave their grandchildren out to dry in what could have been a respectable country. Hopefully that clears things up enough for you to pack up that tone and get back to work, forever, because they voted in war hawks that used your kids free college budget to go nation building in the desert.


mxrichar

This is really age discrimination derogatory, shame on you


BeardedManKid

It's stupid discrimination, it's bootlicker discrimination, it's gatekeeping discrimination and there's a little bit of anti privilege discrimination (since you had to have a decent lump sum to lose for this to apply). There's no age discrimination though. Try again sport.


mxrichar

So everyone in the sixty range votes for the same politicians? Ok sport


BeardedManKid

I'm not your sport, guy.


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Start a business then you’ll never get anywhere making other people rich that’s the cold hard truth