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Non refillable salt / pepper grinders need to be banned and scrubbed from history. It's sneaky & wasteful.

Non refillable salt / pepper grinders need to be banned and scrubbed from history. It's sneaky & wasteful.

Dr-Rjinswand

So buy a good grinder. Also, don’t grind Cornish salt, it’s too wet for a salt grinder - it’ll just clog . It’s a finishing salt and should be used as such.


VILLIAMZATNER

This guy salts


merikaninjunwarrior

he also an expert at grinding


M_krabs

I thought he was just salty


RpTheHotrod

Don't be insalting.


popcorntre

He was just being saltcastic


GingerBreadWom3n

Enough with the verbal assalt!


choking_ahogo

🎼I don’t see nothing wrong, with a little salt and grind


dustysmufflah

Probably 100%s all games, because grinding


pm-me-your-keyboard

He’s got a good grinder ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


htkhtk

Rise and grind


y2julio

I think he's a bit salty at OP.


toTheNewLife

The salt of the earth, right there.


nkovacs84

Popes guys getting assalted with puns


arvhult

Can you recommend a grinder that doesn't leak any below so that you can have it standing somewhere without making everything dirty? I have both a Peugeot and a le Creuset and they both leak


Dr-Rjinswand

That’s going to be a tricky one - you’ll always get some retention in the burrs which will make its way out when put down. Your best bet is getting on with the burrs on the top, so you kind of use it upside down (I don’t know of any good ones) or getting a stand (I think Peugeot sell official ones) so at least it’s contained. A twist with the burrs unloaded and then a shake over a bin might help this too, but obviously a bit of a PITA.


arvhult

Thanks for the advice, doctor! I'll think about getting a stand for them.


calilac

Nice. Bet you're a wizzard in the kitchen.


hishaks

[This](https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B01N33U6Y5?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share) doesn’t leak. We bought it some time ago. Should be available in US store.


silverecstasy

I have the le creuset grinder, and I’ve avoided the “leak” by giving it a good whack against the side of my palm when I’m done grinding to kind of clear out the grinder. Then I set it on a glass coaster that I found at goodwill that happens to be the exact right diameter for the grinder to rest in. It catches the fallout and I wash it off when I refill the grinder!


arvhult

That's great advice thanks


Oraln

[this](https://www.target.com/p/cole-38-mason-sunderland-inverta-pepper-mill/-/A-79652826#lnk=sametab) is the peppermill I use, from Target. You store it with the grinder part facing up with a little lid on it, so it never makes a pepper powder mess.


arvhult

Mhh targay, we don't have such fancy merchants in my lands


donkeyrocket

Yup, you can get this same general style off Amazon or at restaurant supply stores. Just make sure the internals are metal and storage vessel is glass. Personally, I only have a pepper grinder and don't bother with grinding salt as it does little more than make a mess.


kharnynb

the finnish brand "heirol" makes a really nice upside-down mill that looks good and won't leak.


arvhult

Nice that's smart and i love finland so i might look for it


saarlac

Finland has great PR. Everyone seems to love that place.


paleoterrra

I’ve never found any that don’t leak so I just bought a fancy little dish for them to live in


SittinOnTheRidge

Same! I love the chance to use a tray for some reason lol


dottymouse

I've got a Joseph Joseph set of grinders. They stand upside down so the grinder is at the top and therefore nothing spills in the cupboard.


arvhult

Nice


the-blue-lamp

This one is great. IKEA has a great upright ceramc pepper grinder, £5 when i bought mine a couple of years ago. What makes it even better is that they also sell a 4 pack of matching interchangeable jars for it, for £4.50, so you can easily switch between different spices etc. https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/ikea-365-ihaerdig-spice-mill-black-10152875/


william_13

My salt (and pepper) grinders have a lid that goes on the bottom, never had any issues with leakage sipping through.


Hybr1dth

The grinder by Oxo is set down with the grindy bit up top, so that eliminates that issue. Works well too. Ikea same thing.


sammyno55

My unicorn pepper mill came with a little tray to put it on. Beware that it doesn't like the fine grind, though.


saarlac

You just need to get a top grind rather than bottom. All good makers will have versions like that.


skippygo

Just get a grinder that sits with the opening upwards. I have an oxo good grips one for pepper.


SittinOnTheRidge

I just put mine on a tray. When I’m cooking,I’ll use the salt that has fallen onto the tray


Bleedthebeat

The older I get the more I’m willing to spend considerably more money for products that are quality and will last forever. I ordered handmade salt and pepper grinders from a woodworker in Australia and not only did I get to pick the wood they are made out of, meaning they’re gorgeous, but they are the best working salt and pepper grinders I have ever used. And since they’re hand made if the grinding mechanism ever starts to fail it’s easily replaceable. So yeah I might have spent $200 on salt and pepper grinders but the will still be working great when I’m dead and to me that’s worth it.


Dr-Rjinswand

Totally agree, I too as I’ve got older (albeit with a slightly healthier bank account), do the same with most things I buy. Buy right, buy once. As a bonus, good shit is such a joy to use - it makes a lot of stress away when things work very well, reliably.


danny1876j

Didn't know that about Cornish salt tbh, although I haven't used it in a grinder. I was intending too though. I am on the look out for a good grinder but I'm quite picky so I keep buying these stupid grinders when I'm out of salt for a quick fix.


Dr-Rjinswand

Yeah, I’m pretty fussy with grinders too. I’ve never found a salt grinder I’m happy with either, I use Peugeot for pepper mills (which I’m not 100% sold on, I’ll probably get a unicorn next) but they’ve got carbon steel burrs, so not ideal for salt. I’ve never found a decent grinder with ceramic burrs for salt.


danny1876j

I've looked at Peugeot mills but honestly the price of them (despite lifetime warranties, I think) puts me off hugely. Definitely not in a position to spend that much. Never heard of a unicorn but I'll look into it. I do want a predominantly wood based grinder. I tend to try and avoid plastic where possible.


replying_yoda

I had absolutely no idea grinders had so much to them! This is quite interesting!


DarkElfBard

>Tend to avoid plastic >I keep buying these stupid grinders Buying 1 refillable plastic grinder uses less plastic than multiple non refillable ones. I get it though, I have a glass one just to see the salt (I use pink salt for grinding)


danny1876j

Oh I know, the hypocrisy is not lost on me!


JustaRandomOldGuy

Something like these are fine. https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Stainless-Salt-Pepper-Grinder/dp/B01N1PSWSB/ref=pd_sbs_1/133-3711840-2502609?pd_rd_w=97ERz&pf_rd_p=0a3ad226-8a77-4898-9a99-63ffeb1aef90&pf_rd_r=T74WHS9SHK53X7ZVP30V&pd_rd_r=e3337c0c-c017-4e16-b14c-981a042236ec&pd_rd_wg=iZ85s&pd_rd_i=B01N1PSWSB&psc=1 I also have an Italian herb grinder and a couple of other grinder herb mixes.


Bloodshoot111

WMF has some awesome mill sets including one for salt and one for pepper. (Not sure how popular wmf is in the US)


saarlac

My wife found a set of Peugeot grinders on sale for like $25 a few years ago. Maybe at target or something. They’re only 4” and don’t hold lots but they work perfectly and are easy to refill.


evade26

I would just get a box of Diamond Kosher Salt and put it in a ramekin or small bowl and use it as a pinch pot. No real need to grind salt that is going to be dissolved and cooked with. For finishing I have a box of Maldon flakey salt that loves on the counter. Pinch pot for salt Grinder for pepper


saarlac

Peugeot makes their salt grinders with different materials specifically for that reason.


jacksonr1023

I use that salt and it doesn't need a grinder just take a pinch and sprinkle.


tankflykev

This all day^


cheese_sweats

How picky are you that you can't buy a $40 grinder so you don't keep buying $8 disposables??


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ehleesi

Soak top in v hot water, pull off cap, let it cool, push back on. You're welcome !


OhTeeSee

Salt grinders in general are a pretty worthless concept. If you’re cooking with salt why would you need to grind it? Most cooking salt is already fine enough that grinding is pointless, and if you’re adding seasoning to already cooked food you would want to use finishing salt as you mentioned. The one exception to this is perhaps breaking down very coarse Himalayan sea salt, but even that is questionable. Pepper grinders make sense because preground peppercorn loses a lot of its freshness, but that really isn’t the case with salt.


Dr-Rjinswand

Agreed, I pretty much wrote the same below. Haha


Firinmailaza

Fine grains of salt combine more efficiently into the food


OhTeeSee

Right. And so standard table/iodized salt does the job, with no grinding required.


Jamie_W

What is a good grinder? Sick of the shit falling out of the base of mine.


Dr-Rjinswand

Peugeot, Unicorn, Iron Mills, and some of the high-end Cole and Mason stuff for pepper. For salt, don’t bother. Buy a good table salt for water/sauces, a coarse salt for meats and general salting and a good finishing salt for… finishing. There is no *real* need to ever grind salt.


Pimpchimp99

How do you feel about maldon, guy?


Dr-Rjinswand

The best finishing salt money can buy - I’m glad I’m from England so I don’t have to pay much of a premium for it.


MonkeyHaus75

Right? Don't like it, don't buy it.


rants_unnecessarily

Get some good mineral salt like rose salt. You'll know it's good to grind when it comes as small rocks, like gravel.


lgermanrn

this. i have this salt and it does NOT work in most grinders😑


CoffeeInARocksGlass

Guy who salts, what's finishing salt?


luukje999

Seems this adventure would have lead to a post either way.


tribes33

It's because a cheap plastic grinder eventually starts breaking and leaving bits of plastic in your food


pppprrii

That’s true but it’s not because of that, it’s business.


LydiaLysergic

Yeah but we should thank them this time, plastic is no joke. Get a refillable glass one. Maybe even with a light, mine has the light, it's cool.


jaybram24

In what situation would you need to light up salt?


LydiaLysergic

The light is for the food you're salting. So you can extra see how much salt you're putting and get good coverage.


jaybram24

Maybe I need to see it but it sounds like a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist unless you’re cooking with the kitchen lights off.


Subreon

hey, sneaky midnight snacks need to be well seasoned too. the grinder should also be heavily sound insulated cuz popping and cracking up tons of beads at once is super loud even when done suuuuuuper slowly and with your entire hands cupping the whole device. loud enough that it can wake up your step mom's dog who's room is right next to the kitchen and for some reason insists on having their little yappy dog sleep in the room with them which wakes up and starts barking from too much noise and wakes up the step mom too which is highly fucking annoying and makes me wanna kill the fucking dog, because that dog is really pissing me off because they bark throughout the day too whenever some kind of noise happens outside or happens in a part of the house they haven't seen one of us be active in for a while, and their barking is so fucking loud that i can hear them through my door, through my headphones on max volume, with a garage fan running next to me. AAAAAAAAAAAA


JoeyJoeC

Honestly, I've bought glass ones with non removable lids.


proddyhorsespice97

What's the grinding mechanism made of though? That's That's bit that breaks down over time and even if you don't care about plastic in your food eventually they get so dull that they don't grind anymore


NotAnotherNekopan

I'm not sure why everyone is recommending glass. There's nice wooden ones with ceramic burrs that will last a lifetime, won't put plastic in your food, and look wonderful.


JoeyJoeC

That part is plastic, but my glass refillable one has plastic grinding bits, and I also have one that's full plastic.


proddyhorsespice97

Yeah thats what I'm saying. The fact that the bottle is glass or plastic makes no difference if the bit that's actively doing the grinding is still plastic. That's the bit that breaks down and get in your food


saarlac

You want these things to vanish? STOP BUYING THEM!


SpecterGT260

I believe the point being made by OP is that it isn't clear that they are 1-use at the time of purchase. But perhaps he literally means that the shakers tiptoe around his house throwing things in the trash instead of recycling when he isn't looking. Hard to tell...


kevincox_ca

I haven't yet found one that isn't clear. You buy these in the salt section of the grocery store filled. If you wanted a multi-use grinder you would buy that in the grinder section.


redminx17

To be fair, I have definitely bought ones in the salt section that had screw lids, so you could refill them. Like OP I was also dismayed the first time I bought one from a new store that looked like it had a screw lid but was actually designed not to be refilled. I have since bought a proper refillable one, but I got burned first!


Mrfrunzi

I was so pissed when I bought one thinking it could be saved


OhTeeSee

I think it’s a fairly safe assumption that any grinder you buy that comes prefilled is single use. If you want a refillable one, buy a quality grinder. I guarantee you they won’t come with contents in them.


KeyboardsAre4Coding

I agree However some ppl don't have the upfront money to waste on a good grinder. And oddly enough sometimes finding pepper not on such containers like the picture can be hard. I don't remember the last time I saw such thing in the supermarket


saarlac

A mediocre refillable grinder full of peppercorns is between $7 and $10 at any big box store such as target, Walmart, big lots etc 6oz of black peppercorns is $5 at any of those places and most grocery stores. A NONrefillable grinder costs more money for less pepper and you’ll be eating plastic along with your pepper. It’s fine. Do what you want. Don’t make excuses.


ranseaside

This! I got a nice wooden refillable pepper grinder with metal parts (not plastic anything) for $6 at Marshall’s and the thing has lasted me over 9 years now with many refills from a giant Costco size bottle of peppercorns I got for $7


rants_unnecessarily

If you're living in a situation that you can't afford a grinder, even by saving up for it, I don't think you should be grinding your salt. Grinders are not exactly expensive. And as they say, the poor can't afford to buy cheap.


KeyboardsAre4Coding

You might want to grind your pepper. Also because you are poor doesn't mean you mustn't enjoy any comforts.


rants_unnecessarily

What I'm saying, is that life is full of choices. And buying a poor grinder now which you will have to repurchase everytime, is not a great choice. Instead it would be smarter (in the long run; poor buying cheap) to save enough for the good grinder by not purchasing the next 4 grinders; purchasing a bag of ionised salt instead (which is also needed for its health benefits). Same applies to pepper and any other more expensive purchase. If you need it now, but can't afford it, buy cheap and start saving for the good one.


rants_unnecessarily

There is ready ground pepper, you know?


william_13

Sometimes you have no choice as some "specialty" salts are more often than not only sold on a grinder, probably to justify a higher price tag as a "premium" item.


liberal_texan

I quit eating at McDonald's years ago and it still very much exists.


saarlac

You can’t be part of the solution without trying.


Vinnys_Magic_Grits

Buy big boxes of kosher salt, keep some in a cool little bowl, call it a salt keeper. Boom, sustainable (the box is completely recyclable), and now you feel fancy.


slidewalkchalk

I second this! I recently got an adorable ceramic salt keeper and it makes me feel incredibly fancy.


kuro41

It's only non-refillable if you don't find a way to refill it.


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I myself am refillable.


FUEGO40

Submissive and refillable


redunculuspanda

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


NotAManOfCulture

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GeorgeLloyd_1984

But it's frowned upon in most societies


StarkOdinson216

With blood ofc


mrEcks42

Carefully with a sharp knife. Make 3 slits so you can fold out a tab. Piece of tape holds it back in place. But the grinders are low quality and dont exactly last more than a refill or two.


Walden_Walkabout

It is non-refillable because you shouldn't be reusing cheap plastic grinders. Overuse results in microplastics falling off the grinder.


danny1876j

Normally I can force it by bending the plastic but this one is so brittle that it snaps under any strain. I'll just have to finally get a proper grinder.


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generalgeorge95

They will anyways, may as well add some more with salt.


umyninja

Exactly. The McCormick ones are easily refillable. Just pull hard on the top and it pops right off. Refill. Replace top.


Had78

I had the same problem with a very similar package, I made a hole on the side, put the salt with a funnel and closed it with tape


zongeh_sama

I get pepper grinders bc you get that extra fresh, but what is the point of a salt grinder aside from vanity?


danny1876j

Sometimes you don't want big chunks of salt, sometimes you do I suppose.


donkeyrocket

Flavor-wise, nothing. It simply looks fancy. Salts come in different shapes and sizes and serve different purposes. The only appeal of a salt grinder is being able to vary the grind size but that is similarly not necessary if you have the right variety.


quarrelsome_napkin

Idk about you but here a disposable pepper grinder easily lasts a year, and that's despite my best efforts to finish it. I really like pepper lol. Is that really the biggest source of waste in your life?


tranquil21

Just get a grinder and cheaper and varried pepper


publicworld

Ya plus eating to much salt isn’t good, op needs help with his salt addiction!


olcyka

Fun fact: more people suffer from health problems originating from not eating enough salt, than vice versa


jrod_hoff

In what country do these more people live lol


olcyka

Anywhere where they put "salt is bad" in your face and the school meals have to have little salt in them. People will believe it, and eat closely 0. It's unhealthy


jrod_hoff

I could actually see this being the case for kids that have "health-conscious" parents, but I feel like most kids I see sure eat a lot of potato chips and Takis to be short on salt, never mind fast food.


Dizpassion

Not me


DeanXeL

That's weird, I think I have the exact same bottle with grinder in the cap for my black pepper, it just twists off. Been using and filling it for years!


danny1876j

This is from Lidl (UK). I did have an Aldi one that looked similar but I'm not really sure why I don't have that anymore as I know it was refillable!


bodhiseppuku

Drill a hole in the bottom, fill with new peppercorns or salt, plug hole with a snap-in plug... about $0.20 at the hardware store... or hot glue.... or tape...


tranquil21

Just get a grinder and cheaper and varried pepper


donkeyrocket

Those things have cheap internals made of plastic that will eventually break down and add plastic to your food as well. For the cost of three or four of these you could get a high-quality, refillable, grinder made of metal and glass.


CCTider

Mine has a plastic body (technically acrylic l, but it wasn't cheap. It retails for about $50. But it's badass. Works amazingly with a good range of settings. I expect to have it for a couple decades.


Ok-Neighbor-1983

If you ever buy things in small glass pots you can make your own shakers. Just clean the pot well and poke holes in the lids, and add a fey grains of rice to keep your salt and pepper fresh. The only issue is you can't make grinders this way. But if you have a mortar and pestle you can do it before putting it in your shaker.


rdrunner_74

Those grinder dont have a decent mill(?) anyway. Get a real one with a ceramic mill and it will last you for ages. Got an WMF one and no issues with it for over a decade (Well i put it in the oven once and it melted a bit but now its just a unique design)


Ancient-Cry-6438

>but now its just a unique design LMAO


External-Knee-4491

I use a tiny mortar and pestle, just a different way to grind salt, and it never clogs!


DolfK

I have a sturdy granite mortar & pestle and I no longer buy fine salt. I grind coarse salt into medium ^((stored in a glass jar)) and fine ^((stored in a resealable plastic bag because I need to get my fingers in there)) grains, as well as flour salt ^((applied directly from the mortar)). Lets me control the grain size far better than a mill would. Milling salt on the fly is a recipe for disaster anyway, because you lose control of the amounts with a mill; fingers are your best friend when it comes to salting. A pinch here, a pinch there, yada yada. Same with pepper, or rather anything grindable. Speaking of which, I dried some red chillies and it's about time I start turning them into chilli paste... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Edit: I really need to build a salt box for easier medium- and fine-grain salt access.


MrSnurgles

even if you do, it's still useless


Mallix8792

Especially when they are made of glass. Glass can and should be reused as often as possible. With something like that I would break the plastic part off and figure out how to attach a lid with holes in it and just make it a normal salt shaker rather than a grinder. You can always grind chunks of salt with other things like an actual refillable grinder or a mortar and pestle.


no_shit_on_the_bed

Put it in hot water for a minute or two, top down, so the screw part is completely submerged. Then remove it, smoothly (the plastic with dilate and become more flexible, so it will be easily removable) Once out, check the screw in the lid, there should be some plastic tips at the end of the screw, to block it on removing. Clip/cut them out and you are good to go as long as you want!


Downtown-Prior7295

I have this exact grinder, it is refillable


facetious_guardian

Just because they don’t make the cap screw off doesn’t mean you can’t cut off the other end and make your own refill option. It’s not like this container is going to self-destruct. Not every “reuse” has to be hand-held. Sometimes it’s up to you to figure out how to reduce waste, too.


Deetrolls

I was thinking this the other day


briaen

It’s because we are NPCs in a simulation. No thought is original. Ever notice how your first thoughts about a thread are already in the comments somewhere?


kuro41

First rule of the matrix is we don't talk about the matrix.


Deetrolls

Yup, creepy. Nothing new under the sun


Dr-__cuizeTHEfix

Drill the back and get some cork


czghun

I had a similar product. Try this: if you heat up the plastic part, it should expand a bit, might be enough to remove the cap ;)


Old_Telephone_7587

mostly you can just twist the top off and refill them. I've been using the same one use pepper grinder for about 3 years.


usernameinmail

This one (and many others) are built so that the top simply will not come off. Designed to be single use whether you want it or not


danny1876j

Some do. This one, the plastic is so brittle that any attempt I'm made to pry it off results in snapping!


Old_Telephone_7587

yeah I can see in the above pic you've tried now I look again. Like i say i bought one being using it for years guess i was just lucky ha.


Sreezy3

Bloody lidl salt mills


danny1876j

Never again!


Strong_Opportunity_1

So true, and they put plastic wrap tightly around the top so you don't find out until you get home!


BiffBanter

Yes, they are wasteful. No, they do not need to be banned.


keres666

To be fair... the whole point is you having to buy a new one when its empty... Ya know... so the company makes money...


danny1876j

Oh I understand why they do it. I just do not agree with it in any way!


cheese_sweats

You agreed with it enough to give them money.


JELLY-ROCKET

I've been refilling mine for a couple of years. You have to hold a hair dryer to the cap for a couple of minutes and it will loosen up.


AidenKn

I actually have the exact same one, I refill it, secret is to use a knife and pull it up, idk it worked for me but I feel you


bigwillysam

You can refill these. Leave the black plastic end in a bowl of boiling water for a couple of minutes and it'll slide off. Leave it to dry refill with peppercorns and pop it back on


vanrast

You can refill them you just need a box cutter.


mcr-G-note

Have you tried buying one off [grindr.com?](https://youtu.be/cvh0nX08nRw)


danny1876j

Very retro lol


Pan-tang

Yep


RocketDodo

I have a couple like this. I tried to simply pull it apart with force, it worked like a charm. Some small plastic bit broke, but the whole thing works fine after refilling it and forcing it back to together.


NeverPostsJustLurks

Next time try heat, either a hairdryer or quick dips in boiling water to soften the plastic around the lip.


yungpr1ma

Yaassss


jjb0809

One trick I’ve used is to soak the lid in hot water so it expands and can be pulled off. Then refill and pop the lid back on.


frorf

I actually opened one of these by accident, but don't know exactly how i did it, and it never happened again. But it didn't break or anything the time i opened it, it just kinda popped off, and after i kinda screwed it on (it was weird, but idk how to say it better) it just got stuck back there.


BandicootInfamous

Yup. At least the glass can be recycled.


AverageSrbenda

or just salt your food with your hands?


UnicornsNeedLove2

Uh, then don't buy them.


almondania

I see what you're getting at, but there's definitely bigger fish to fry lol


darkstar1031

Dude, you can get a nice set of grinders for like $30. I don't understand what the problem is here.


ZergYinYang

I sense a DIY video coming up!


Use_Your_Brain_G

If you're not above the look of good ole duct tape, a nice redneck life hack for this is to cut the bottom off about an inch from the bottom of the clear container... Leave about the width of a pencil uncut to act as a hinge and the salt shaker can now be refilled. Store it grinder end facing down and wrap the cut portion with a single pass of tape to seal it. Duct it or fuck it my friend.


Brantguy99

And remember if the women don’t find you handsome they should at least find you handy. -Red Green


nim_opet

Agree


axberka

Just buy coarse sea salt and sprinkle with your hand.


PirateNinjaa

Just don’t use salt or pepper. I haven’t owned a salt or pepper shaker/grinder my whole life. 🤷‍♀️


DoesNotGetYourJokes

They are (technically) refillable, but you have to struggle to open them.


keenanpepper

Sometimes you can put it in the oven at like 150 or 200 for a little while until the plastic softens a little, then pull it right off.


bokan

We cannot scrub them from history. We must never forget.


Crafty-Bedroom8190

It's up there with Bottled Water like "how am I supposed to taste the difference between Fiji water and Alpine glacier water?"


Miserable_Unusual_98

r/assholedesign too


bubblebabh

heat up the lid with a hair dryer!


Strive_the_cat

Did you know that lightbulbs are also fabricated to break after a certain lifespan. Lightbulbs could last 200years and maybe more if build normally.


oxblood87

I'd recommend the Cole and Mason Salt and Pepper Mill set. High quality and easy to full.


Ok_Plane9856

r/therewasanattempt