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WiccedSwede

**Which early 2000's mid size(650-ish CCs) adventure bike should I buy?** ​ I'm looking for something that's comfortable to ride, with an upright position. I prefer lots of low down torque. I also want spoked wheels as I'll be converting it into a scrambler and I prefer the look of spoked wheels. ​ I've this far been eyeing Honda Transalp, Africa Twin and Dominator. Also the Yamaha Tenere and BMW GS650 are options I can find within budget(20-40K Swedish kronor, Roughly 2-4K EUR/USD). ​ I haven't been able to test ride any yet as there are none for sale nearby.


hornetDC

I am tired of sport/naked bikes and I want something comfortable for long rides, maybe with some off-road capabilities. Multistrada 950s vs Africa Twin 1100 AS?


DavidBezo

My girlfriend went for a ride yesterday it was 94 F degrees. She felt really really hot on every stops ( air cooled engine can't help) she wore regular jean. What kind of pants should I get for her to reduce heat from engine? Thanks


achoowin

Mesh pants


CapricornBromine

Hello! Looking at buying this 1980 Honda CM400t as my first bike, but I want to get a bit of advice as to whether or not folks here think it's a good purchase, thoughts? Can post link to the listing if allowed.


Oops95

I wouldn't. Old bikes like that tend to need more time wrenching than riding, which is the opposite of what you want in a first bike. You should be looking for something in the last 10 years or so, with lower cc's/ around 50 hp at most. Get ABS if you can/afford it, but my opinion is that people have been riding for decades without it, so it's far from the nd of the world if you don't get it.


Lavendercrimson12

Most reliable, quality, easy to use motorcycle camera? I've got a front and rear camera from Amazon, some decent Chinese thing, worked well for 2 years, now records when it feels like it. I'll try another sd card, but looking for recs for bike or helmet mounted camera that is tough and reliable. Price not a factor if quality and reliability are there.


ztherion

GoPro.


hats_off

Hi, I am in the market for a new jacket. Is Reax a good enough brand? Thanks


Lavendercrimson12

I have a the Reax Alta mesh pants and mesh jacket. Jacket: good pockets. Inner pouch pockets on each side perfect for gloves while doing non motorcycle activities. It's comfy, durable *for poly mesh* and comes with CE2 armor except for the back which you can add. Pants: good but not quite as nice as the jacket. The micro velcro patches for the leg zipper flaps on the bottom all fell off quickly. The adjustability in the waist band is ok but doesn't stay where I put it very well (tightens or loosens). It comes with CE2 knee armor, you can add hip pads. The mesh is nice and cool. I've taken a few low speed falls and the pants didn't hold up too well but that's expected, mesh is often a once and done thing. The damage was on the mesh; the reinforced abrasion points held strong. Jacket: 8/10, pants: 7/10 Keep in mind that I've only ridden 2 years/6k miles, and these only one of two sets of gear I've got to compare between. Tl/dr: decent quality for entry level poly mesh gear.


hats_off

Thanks


HumbleExistentialist

Hey guys, in the market for a new adventure bike right now... nothing too adventurous (think 19 inch front, mostly road based). Question is, I'm 6"4' so I'm keen to make sure I get something nice and big. Would you recommend a Vstrom 1050XT, KTM 1290 Super adventure S or a Triumph Explorer? Thanks guys. Mostly interested in your perspective on ergonomics, but if you have other good points I'm all ears.


ztherion

I don't see the point of buying a KTM Adventure for road biased use. I'd rather get a Versys 1000, S1000XR, 1200GS, Multistrada, Tiger, FJ-09...


Datum000

So I'm in SoCal. I want to agree with the "250cc first bike" rule, because I'm personally a sucker for modestly-powered machines (I bought a Yaris on PURPOSE for instance). I also want to eventually do some nice road trips or at least be comfortable on highways for an hour or two. I guess is it a good idea to try and get a first bike that handles highways well, or should I not worry and upgrade later when I'm more in tune with the whole riding thing?


venomous_frost

The honda 500 class, cb500x or cbr500r


phillipjackson

I wouldn't shy away from anything around 500cc or about 40ish horse power. Very manageable while being able to get up to 85 alright.


Sane_Wicked

A 650 (Versys, Vstrom, KLR, F650GS) will handle highways while having manageable power for a beginner.


squidsemensupreme

I'm going to take the MSF this fall, but I'm looking for a project for this winter. There is a 1970 Honda CB175 for sale near me, owner says it starts up but needs the carbs and tank cleaned. It looks to be in very good condition. He's asking $1500. Would I be getting in over my head, asking for a million things to go wrong with the bike, or should I jump on it?


03Void

Unless you already have a solid base in mechanic I’d skip. As a new rider you don’t know yet how a bike that is “right” feels. There could be a million issues with that bike that you’d be unable to diagnose because you only know how a bike that feels like shit feel. I’d get something from 2000+ if I were you.


RiotRugby

Looking to move to my second bike. My GF approved budget is approx $7500 hundred. Just started riding about a year ago, commuting to work when weather allows for it, so I've put quite a few city miles on it. First bike is a Shadow Spirit 750. i like it, but looking to move to something with a more go forward, as i'm pushing 300lbs and it struggles to accelerate at highway speeds. I like the cruiser style just fine, but i'm liking the look and potential of the Adventure bikes more. (i'm in pittsburgh area, if that matters, so there are fun, twisties). Seeing a few older Multistrada 1200s in the area, in the price range, but is a 1200, with that much HP too much? Or should I just be sticking with a Versys 650? Thanks, and i'll take the answer off the air


Alipture

It will be shitloads quicker, whether you're ready or not only you can say. Imo go test ride one if you can (even a new one from a dealer) see what you think, you can always keep it in rain mode for a few months as you get used to it. Are you interested in the dirt side of adventure bikes? If yes then also look at V-strom 1000 (or 650) or Triumph Tiger too If not and youre just looking for something comfortable then maybe a Tracer 900/MT-09


RiotRugby

Appreciate the reply, looked into the tigers, but not seeing a lot in my area in the price range, will also look at the Vstroms, thanks again


nudespreadsheets

Hi guys. Posted in a separate post and got sent here. I bought a triumph rocket 3 roadster 2016 and am looking for a windshield. I take it to work every day on the highway so it's important. All windshields I could find were either: * Missing mounting hardware. * Very expensive. * Won't arrive for a while. Is there some sort of universal mount I can get. Please link a compatible windshield if there is one. I'm looking to spend up to 300, with a strong preference to spend under 200. I really need it ASAP.


ztherion

I had a universal National Cycle windshield on an SV650, it mounted to the handbar. Maybe see if you can find one locally


piniatass

Hornet (2007-10) vs XJ6 (2009) vs MT07 (2014) MT07 stretches the budget a bit, while both other options are 500+€ cheaper. Will be first big bike, all options are including ABS.


Alipture

I'd go the MT-07 if you think you'll keep it for a longer period.


DirtyYogurt

So the hornet is a fair bit more powerful than the other two. I used to have a less powerful version of that engine and it's butter smooth. Assuming it's in good condition, that's what I'd get. More power, less money = win in my book. That being said, 75ish hp is more than enough to be dangerously fast, and the MT-07 is a solid 30-40lbs lighter. I'd only really consider the XJ6 if you like the power of the MT-07 and want to save a few bucks. If you can, ride them all and see what speaks to you.


vaironl

I got my motorcycle license a couple of years ago and used friend’s and family members’ motorcycles to ride during the summer (Vulcan 800 and R6 after I got better). Two years of no riding and I am trying to get back into it since I enjoyed it so much, though I have a dog with separation anxiety, so I won’t be able to ride too much, but just want to go for 20-30 minutes ride every so often and do cruises with my friend. Still being a novice, but not new I am very interested in the naked look of the Z400 with ABS. I can attest to other people mentioning bikes are being sold before they hit the floor and although I can afford the OTD price I am trying to get some money off or at least get a decent amount of gear with the bike, is this possible or am I dreaming too much during the current market trends? I am also starting to consider going used and have been watching YouTube videos about doing this properly but am a little concerned of a mechanical issue happening or shady deals. Any ideas? I am in the east coast if it helps and am willing to travel around a bit.


fleischwolfe

You should get a tiny sidecar + tiny helmet for your dog and bring him with you. /s... Unless?


vaironl

As crazy as it sounds I’ve considered it lol. The one thing why I might never do it is because if we have an accident she will probably not make it or be very badly injured.


CommyO

It's basically riding season nationwide but you'll find better deals on the East Coast / Midwest than pretty much anywhere else. Z400 is solid beginner bike for sure. Although it may seem slow if you've ridden the Vulcan 800 and R6. You can always get a bigger bike and ride it slowly, rather than switching bikes down the line and repaying all the taxes, reg fees, and money lost on resale.


vaironl

I got the itch to buy a motorcycle during one of the worst times lol. I really love the look of the Z400 (I haven’t test ridden it yet), but the friend I’m riding with hammered a good point I already had in mind. Since I won’t be riding too often, I’m still a novice and could drop the bike and this is at the very top of my budget, I should probably look for a used one. He actually thinks I shouldn’t get a motorcycle at all since it’s so expensive ATM and instead should borrow his, but because he always forgets to put me on his insurance or says he will and doesn’t, I’ll seek an used one instead. It seems like used bike prices are also inflated and I don’t know how to transport them down here or even inspect it, but I’ll start doing more research on this and try to find a decent one.


CommyO

Yes, used prices are high right now due to the season and probably a limited supply of some new bikes due to covid. I'd look around your area for the going rate of bikes and go off that, rather than comparing to online what people have paid. I've heard people say $5k for an R6 is too much, but the absolute lowest I've ever found one that isn't a track bike was $6500, and it had a salvage title and a lot of DMV fees. Just check out some youtube videos for things to look out for. I bought a bike about a week ago and that's what I did to make sure it ran good.


vaironl

I got fortunate enough and bought an used 2015 Ninja 300 SE with 18k miles. The guy had maintained it very well and it was half of my original budget.


neyir_man_guy

Are Honda Fury's a good buy? Are they cool?


ztherion

It's a very subjective bike. It's an early 2000s custom with factory reliability. It's for a niche type of rider, and if you fit that niche you love it. Otherwise you'll be annoyed by how weird it rides even compared to Honda's other cruisers.


Rchna

So I'm looking at getting either a 2010 1198 S Corse with 13,500 miles for $12500 or a 2017 959 panigale with just under 7000 miles for $14500. Both bikes have been checked out and are in tip top condition. The 2010 I can get a 2 year powertrain warranty and with the 2017 a 5 year warranty that covers basically everything. My main question is do you think the warranty is worth it? And the maintenance interval schedule is greatly different with a major difference being the cam chain (959) vs cam belt (1198) and length of valve check intervals, 15000 miles for the 959 and 6000 for the 1198. Not really asking which one to buy, just trying to understand more so about the pros and cons of the regular service between generations and the warranty. Would love to get your guys opinion! Thank you much


YouB4rkIBite

I dont know what bike should i buy, Im thinking if maybe i should buy an entry level bike like the sv650 or mt07 for around 7k or maybe spend a little more and get a more "futurible" trident 660 or street triple s, i've tried this last two and i like them both, maybe i like a little more the street as i resemble a bear on a bicycle on the trident. Any help?


ztherion

Listen to the latest episode of the Highside Lowside Podcast. Zack and Jen both rode the Trident and discuss how it compares to the Steet Triple and MT. The short version is that the MT has a slightly more fun engine while the Trident has noticeably better overall quality, and that the difference between the bikes is quite marginal. Meanwhile the Striple is a class above both.


YouB4rkIBite

A class above all for only 600€ more? If im not wrong the trident is actually at 8100€ and the triple s 8700€ Think im gonna go with the striple then


ztherion

In the US the price difference is more like $3k USD


darling1907

Hello Everyone I just started riding a motobike and looking for some intercom(bluetooth headset) recommenditions. I have been following the price of cardo pactalk on [amazon.com](https://amazon.com) but couldnt see any proper deal so looking for some other choices maybe. thanks for replies.


RiotRugby

Enjoying my pack talk slim a lot, i haven't used any intercom modes at all, but audio quality is great, and i've had multiple people say they couldn't tell i was even on a motorcycle when taking phone calls with it, crystal clear quality. (full faced helmet, FYI)


mattelic

For a bit less the freecom 4+ has the same speakers, but no DMC intercom. If it is just for you, and you care about music quality that is the best price/performance option. If you don’t carw about music I would still recommend the 4+ as the button layout is way better than the other models. I have a 4+ and a packtalk slim, and I really can’t say that one is noticeably better than the other for me, but I have never had a chance to use the DMC feature which is the primary upgrade you get switching to the packtalk. I think you can also customize the sound profile of the speakers, but I never bothered.


Elongo06

I was skeptical and reluctant to get one, but Packtalk is well worth the price. We got one when they were fairly new. I want to say it was near $500 for the pair and I couldn't imagine riding without it now.


Holiday_Emergency_94

Hey everyone, Im looking for a helmet that prevents hearing damage and allows me to listen to music. Any options? Doesnt have to be cheap. But 350$ is the max. Bluetooth is cool too


hornetDC

Schuberth C4 is the most quiet helmet that I used. Still too loud on the highway without wind protection.


03Void

No helmet is quiet enough to prevent hearing damage. Get a separate Bluetooth comm system. You won’t be limited to a handful of helmet models this way.


77ox9

One of my main concerns with riding is hearing damage from wind noise. Other than ear plugs, I have found a decent windshield and front fairings to be the biggest reducer in wind noise.....if you don't have that, no helmet will save your hearing.


mattelic

Earplugs prevent hearing damage, and a comms system lets you listen to music. A good helmet with bluetooth built in, around your budget, is the sedici strada parle. $350 is on the cheaper side for helmets with communicators built in.


Holiday_Emergency_94

oof okay, much appreciated 👌🏼


sisterrfister69

Need cheap mesh pants! Something that breathes a fuckton and isn't wide at the bottom so I can stuff it in my boots. Preferably black or grey colored with some red allowed. Hip protection optional, knee protection mandatory. I don't care so much about slide protection, this is for really hot days, all I want is my knees safe.


Wanderer-2-somewhere

Currently looking at bikes in the 300cc range, and I was just wondering how well they hold up on the highways for you guys? On paper, they seem more than capable of handling 70+ mph interstate travel, but I don’t really have a point of reference for how that works in practice.


mattelic

I started on a 390 Duke, and doing 70mph on the highway was fine-ish, but trying to keep up in the left lane was really hard on it. I always felt a bit vulnerable, as I couldn’t ever really get away from anyone (luckily I never needed to)


Wanderer-2-somewhere

Thanks for the answer! Right now I’m looking into the MT-03 and G310R, which both seem to be able to handle those speeds, plus the extra **oomph** to escape a tough spot if need be, as you said. At the very least, either’ll do a whole lot better than my poor scoot, which starts complaining as soon as you get over 50.


mattelic

Both of those make less power than my old KTM. Sure my bike “could” do 105 but it took its sweet time (and a downhill stretch of open road) to get there. Also, wringing a bike out in top gear just to cruise on the highway is not fun, and isn’t great for the machine either. For around town, or like “expressway” use, just about any bike short of a grom is going to be perfectly usable. Once you start trying to get out on the highway you really feel vulnerable, and not having the power to move around traffic can be scary at times. For short trips where you are on the freeway for under 15-20min it’s okay. If you only have to go an exit or two, even better. Much more than that and you really start pushing it.


Wanderer-2-somewhere

Fair point! I’ll definitely keep that in mind, thank you.


[deleted]

So I’m a former Harley rider that’s looking to get back into riding after a few years hiatus, but looking to venture to something other than a Harley. Having no experience on most other bikes, I found myself drawn to nakeds in general and without having ever seen one in person, I’ve spent the last few weeks salivating over the Triumph Trident. Anyone that’s ridden one have any major complaints? Things to know? Any fellow short fellows have experience with it?


bendermichaelr

Wondering if anyone has it and and how good the ANC is. My helmet is too loud even with earplugs. And it takes like 5 minutes to get a plug in solid in my one ear because it's oddly shaped and the canal is really big. Helmet is a shoei. So do you still need plugs with the ANC helmet?


asanonaspossible

Two words: custom earplugs 100% worth it. If your earplugs fit correctly, they can be whisper quiet even with a garbage helmet. Mine actually have multiple filters and the strongest one is too quiet for me to hear anything at all, so I have to use a weaker one.


bendermichaelr

Where do you get these? I've heard mixed things but I'm sure there's different kinds


asanonaspossible

You can get them at most hearing aid centers, call ahead to make sure. I'm not aware of any online/DIY options sadly.


bendermichaelr

Thanks. Yeah those are the ones I've heard bad things about. I tried "decibullz" and it was a terrible experience.


77ox9

Have you tried the wax/silicone ear plugs swimmers use? I have switched to those and they form fit to your ears canal due to it being a waxy moldable form. They other thing I have heard (no pun intended) that people like are noise cancelling ear buds....


bendermichaelr

Yeah that's in line with what I was hoping for in the helmet. Not sure if the ANC is strong enough or not.


asanonaspossible

Generally buying a helmet for any features other than just protecting your head ends up with you paying out the ass for tech that isn't really that great. Plus, ANC only really works below certain frequencies and volumes and it'd be difficult to get one that can block out the high-frequency, loud wind noise that we experience. I wouldn't have high hopes for a good ANC helmet.


HashSlingingSloth

This is a repost since the other one got deleted cause I'm a dummy and didn't read the rules properly, but anyway! "Title explains the gist of things. I'm a new rider about to be picking up a new bike and need some tips and opinions as to what I should do (inb4 it's your choice. Yes true, but I'm also ignorant af for the time being lol, hopefully in a few years I'll be up to snuff.) Anyway, I'm looking at an 08 Honda Shadow Spirit 750CC, about 6k miles and has been looked over by an older grandpa type mechanic who's retiring from riding. Price they are expecting is about 4.5k, which is 500 less than what they wanted instally because me and his granddaughter are in the same housing organization. I'm about 5' 6.5", roughly 130lbs, skinny fat type of build (trying to gain muscle mass to if that helps lmao) I think that covers the general information. So what do y'all think? Good deal? Good fit? Any ideas on talking down a price? Considering paying for a good steak dinner and aiming for about 4k cash, it's an out there shot but it's a shot. GO GO GO!!!"


[deleted]

Cant comment intelligently about whether or not it’s a good deal or not, but I’m about your height and rode a sportster without any issue so I’d imagine the bike won’t be anywhere close to too big for you. It seems like the price is a little high, in my uninformed because I’ve never bought a shadow opinion.


HashSlingingSloth

Also, if it helps at all, I'm located in lower Michigan. If you live here you know our roads are superb (they are not superb).


Marshmallowmind2

What do you think of these motorcycle trousers please? Kevlar down to below the knees https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07BBV34KH/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_89R674Z2GVRGM9NZSQN7?psc=1 Australian gear brand. Please help. Buying my first motorbike trousers. Don't want to spend a fortune. Less than £70 ideally. I like the look of the chinos


Lordgingerous

I mean, sure. They appear to come with CE rated hip and knee armor, which is a perk, but remember, you get what you pay for.


Marshmallowmind2

Thanks for the reply


ImJustATallGuy

hey, my bike was run over and damaged a month ago. bought about $1250 in parts and put them on 3 days ago. sadly, my frame cracked all the way through the tubing on both sides. I’ve decided that i should probably part out the bike. it’s a 2013 zx6r with about 37000km on it. the frame is cracked and the fairings are trashed but other than that everything works perfectly. brand new EBC brake rotors and pads, brand new brake/clutch levers from vortex and an $800 yoshi exhaust. i’m just wondering about how much could i make from parting out the bike? if you have approximate prices for things those would be appreciated as well


achoowin

Go buy a frame for about 800 bucks and some plastics around 100-500 and swap everything over.


ImJustATallGuy

what’s your source for the plastic price? i see them for upwards of $800 on normal sites and $600 (with at least $200 shipping) on ebay. i just don’t see the value in putting even more money into the bike, i picked it up for $5500 last year and have already put about $2000 into it. it would be better for me to cut my losses and get a new bike


achoowin

Aftermarket pladtics.plwnty around the 300 market. Up to you if you want to fix because it can be a lot of work but of you are ready for something different don't expect to get anything for the bike. Maybe 1500if sold as a parts bike.


Sherbert_Present

Looking to get a Yahama R3 for my first bike. Either that or a Honda CBR300R or Ninja 400, in that order. What should I be expecting to pay for a used R3? Lots of listings want $4,800 - $5000 for used bikes when I could get a 2021 brand new for $5300. What's up with that? Do they hold their value super well or is the used bike market skyrocketing like the used car market?


Oops95

>Do they hold their value super well or is the used bike market skyrocketing like the used car market? Beginner bikes like those you are looking at tend to hold their value very well, as there are always new riders entering the market, and looking for those bikes. And bikes are expensive right now. For one, this is the time of year everyone is looking for a bike, as weather is getting nicer everywhere. Also Covid brought a lot of new people into riding, so there is higher demand for the past year plus, so used and new supply has been all bought up, along with new bike production and shipping issues world wide, new bikes are often sold before they eve hit dealer showrooms. ​ >I could get a 2021 brand new for $5300 No you can't. That's just MSRP. There's more than that; there's the fright charge, usually \~$400 and set by the manufacturer, non negotiable; set up fees, as bikes are shipped in crates without oils and wheels attached. You have to pay for the time it takes the guy to put it together, possible negotiation room, but usually a set price for each dealer; Tax Title and License fees, that you'd have to pay anyway, but usually a small charge for the dealer to take care of that so that the bike is ready to ride of the lot for you; and what ever mark up/fees the dealer has where they actually make any money. Those are negotiable, but good luck in this market. Edit: Grammar/spelling


asanonaspossible

It's $5300 before dealer fees, and the first break-in service. So in reality, it's more like an extra $1k. Also, bikes are in high demand right now so people are able to get away with listing for higher prices. Additionally, they do hold their value pretty well if they're well maintained.


RedDragon777

This


flamingpenny

Never ridden a motorcycle, family isn't a bike sorta family, have little to no experience with mechanics. Want to buy a somewhat ok bike to learn how to fix. How much should I save up to get a decent learner bike? I know it's a very open ended and situationally dependent question but just a general estimate would help. Thanks


ztherion

$2500-5000 in the US. Below that, cost of repairs tends to outweigh inital purchase savings (with some exceptions). This does not include gear (500-1000), tools (500+), insurance, taxes, registration, etc. (varies by region)


monsterenergyvape

Looking for a good website to get a discounted track suit. 2 piece


ztherion

Find the local facebook page for motorcycle track days and post asking if anyone has old gear they want to sell in your size.


Sukurac69

Hi there. I want to buy a Yamaha TZR 50 2006 or 2013. My only real worry is that i might be to tall for it? I honestly never thought about it till my parents mentioned it. Im 6.4 (194cm) tall and im unsure is it a good choice for me? Also if you have any other tips and advice when it comes to this bike please help me. Thanks.


ztherion

You are taller than most adults and shpuld probably be riding a 125cc or 250cc.


Sukurac69

I currently only have license for 50cc<. And i wanna learn on something weaker for beginning. It would take me a couple more months before being able to take the test for stronger ones.


ztherion

Wow, that's a crappy licensing scheme. Guess you gotta go with it. Here in the states the class starts you on a 250 and you take the license exam on your second day.


Sukurac69

We by default get for <50cc when you get your car driver license. Then you go for <125 after 6 months. Then you go for <250 year after 125. And finally 250+ goes 2 years after <250. Really poorly made system. Thats why i wanna get familiar with the concept of driving a bike as soon as possible.


dxtos

Can someone help me determine my head shape for moto helmets? Can't determine if I'm "round ova" or "intermediate oval". [head shape](https://i.imgur.com/Dtmn4jo.jpg)


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dxtos

Thanks. Seemed to be the Cycle Gear crew's thoughts as well.


Throttlechopper

[This is the guide to helmet/head shape](https://youtu.be/XOGuoHebGFs), AGV, Arai, Bell, and HJC are some brands that will fit your globe-like dome.


dxtos

Thank you.


Noobasdfjkl

You look like round oval. Go to a bike shop and try stuff on.


dxtos

Thanks.


vtwistyyy

New to motorcycles here, wanting to get my motorcycle license in the near future. I was looking into different bikes and the super moto bikes looked cool, I was looking at the ktm 690 smc r. But I’m not sure if I would want a supermoto or a sport bike, anyone have any recommendations for sport bikes or bikes in general? Thanks.


Lordgingerous

The other two comments did a good job breaking down the pros and cons. I'll just pitch in that supermoto is always the answer. Maybe not *that* supermoto though, it's probably more than a new rider should be on. The new KLX300SM is a game changer, look at that one.


ztherion

KLX300SM is the DRZ update that should have been


Throttlechopper

You should asses what your needs are and base your decision on that. A supermoto is good for short distance, tighter turns, urban commuting, and technical riding. If you plan to hit some freeways for longer rides, a sportbike may not be the best choice. If you plan on 2 up riding, a 650 may fit the bill better than a 300. Nobody can pick a bike for you, but here's some recommendations for good beginner bikes: 1. Light off-roading with minimal highway riding: Honda CRF 250/300L 2. Supermoto: DRZ-400SM or KLX-300SM 3. Sportbike: Ninja 400 4. Naked: Z400 or G310 R 5. 2-up or longer touring: Versys 650 6. Cruiser: Rebel 300 7. ADV: G310 GS or Versys 300X Get a model with ABS if you can...


_Speed_and_Power_

Supermotos are better if you mainly ride in town, twisty roads with slow hairpin turns and offroad. Sportbikes are better if you mainly ride on highway and twisty roads with fast flowing corners. Which one you get I'd decide based on that, if you're not sure yet, look at what kind of roads are around you.


hoy83

Hi, new to motorcycles and thinking of purchasing one. Just a question though, if do groceries and want to get them back home, I was thinking of getting a royal enfield meteor 350. Is there a way to carry plastic bags/cartons with that bike? Thanks


Throttlechopper

There are a only a couple of more affordable bikes with built in storage, two Hondas that stand out are: The cult classic PC 800 Pacific Coast (saw a minty fresh used example going for $2,500 recently) or the more modern Honda NC 700/750X which has a "frunk" or locking storage where a gas tank would normally be. The latter can be optioned with ABS and you can get a DCT or manual version. Scooters are also an option and are very practical (I had a Vespa GT 200 that could hold a week's worth of groceries with the matching top box installed). Other than that, ADV and touring bikes will have racks or have better tie down points for securing bags and avoid the $10 cargo nets, they are crap.


ztherion

Most bikes can accept a top box or saddlebags for carrying stuff. Don't get a Meteor though, they're shit for reliability. If you're getting an RE you want a Himalayan or 650.


GarrusVeldmarian

Redirected Per Admin Recommendation: Does anyone have any suggestions? I've heard Sena 10C series can be alright. The latest updates seem to not be the greatest. Blueskysea B1M can be a hassle for install with way too much cabling, even for bigger bikes. I took up riding about 4 years ago. I was run off the road with a hit and run 2 years later. The other person was at fault, but I feel like it was easily avoidable if I was more calm at the moment. Thankfully there were witnesses. Told myself that I would wear some kind of camera if I got back on a bike. Just recently got a Suzuki V-Strom DL650.


ztherion

Used GoPros are cheap in eBay and work well. Anything as far back as the Hero 4 is a good insurance camera. New batteries are cheap and plentiful on Amazon.


McGarvish

Hi, I'm looking to get some gear to take my MSF course on July 3rd and 4th. I'm very overweight with a very large head and pair of hands. My head measures 27in just above the eyebrows and my hands are 10.8in below my thumb. Any recommendations for a cost effective open face or half face XXXL motorcycle and gloves?


BlackWhite43

Yea just go to your cycle gear dealer they should have a wide selection and if they don't have any should be able to order you some with enough time to get it before you start your course


ztherion

No joke, browse a Harley dealership. They stock gear for larger builds.


bob_boberson_22

Honestly, I'd just go into cyclegear and have someone help you out. Motorcycle gear needs to fit right and buying online can be hit or miss, especially for helmets.


03Void

You’d be a 4XL or even 5XL according to most charts. One of the few I find is the HJC i90, but at the size it’s DOT only.


adamantsun

I need to buy my first helmet. I want to spring for the seems to be the best standard FIM but is that overkill for a little yearling goose riding at 40 mph max as I slowly learn how to ride my bike? Then again, statistically, it seems my first 5 months are my most dangerous in terms of liklihood to crash. TL:DR shopping for helmets is overwhelming, I don't like guady overly sporty looking helmets, I don't want to spend a fortune but I really want to protect my head.


ztherion

FIM certification is so expensive that some helmets only get FIM certified for the one size a of a particular pro racer's head. Just get an ECE helmet for now.


if0rg0t2remember

Don’t stress over FIM ratings. It’s so new and so few manufacturers are submitting their helmets for testing that there are only a handful of FIM rated helmets on the market and they’re all crazy top end racing lids. Look for ECE rating and check if a helmet you are interested in has been rated by SHARP. I think those are agreed to be more reasonable every day standards.


03Void

I just want to point out that Sharp only test helmets sold in the UK. So because your helmet isn’t tested by sharp doesn’t mean it’s an unsafe helmet.


if0rg0t2remember

I guess the sentence structure made it seem like I was saying avoid non-SHARP rated helmets. But that isn't the case. I was trying to say look for ECE, and if your helmet happens to have been rated by SHARP look how many stars it got.


03Void

You were clear to me but it might not be for someone who never heard about Sharp ratings.


03Void

Snell and ECE are good standards too. Check the newest ones with Snell M2020 and ECE 2206.


iseeghosts96

I am between getting a Honda Rebel 300 and Royal Enfield Himalayan as of right now for my first bike. Only reason I’m even thinking about getting the Honda is because of Honda quality in everything. However I love the look of the royal enfield. I just want something easy to ride and reliable. Something for to and from school 5 miles round trip. At most 20 miles on weekends rides through Los Angeles. Please provide your opinion and possibly any other bikes under 6000 that are retro in styling that you believe would be good. open to new and used.


ztherion

A woman has literally ridden the RE around the world. Check out the long termreviews on her channel and website (Itchy Boots)


Adorable_Clock

And then she decided to switch to Honda.


ztherion

She still has her RE, it's in storage in South America. I think she was able to negotiate some deals on Hondas.


finalrendition

If you want something reliable, skip the RE and go with Honda. A used Rebel 500 will easily be under $6000


iseeghosts96

What do you think of a cross sport? Like szuszki 200, 650 or something comparable for Yamaha


BadgerOfHoney54

I just got my first motorcycle a month ago. I say get the one you love as it’ll keep your attention longer until you upgrade. Only downside is you’ll probably drop it a few times so it can be painful to see. On one hand I’m glad I got the bike I wanted vs the practical because I would have been shopping for a new one by now, but I can see why buying a practical bike has advantages in that you don’t care if it gets banged up.


maximus12793

Am looking at getting bull-it [TACTICAL ZERO BLACK SKINNY jeans](https://www.bull-it.com/collections/mens/products/zero-black-skinny?variant=37416841707698). Few questions. **[1]** This paired with Bohn armor underneath should be good for abrasion + impact right? Says AA rated but cant figure out where the kevlar coverage is. **[2]** I should get normal pants size right? Ex: 32x32 would be the same for riding pants or do people go larger/smaller? Seems like these are supposed to fit like normal pants. **[3]** For 40$ more, would it be worth going to AAA resistance w/ [hoodjeans](https://www.hoodjeans.co.uk/hood-motorcycle-jeans/sk11-aaa-mens-slim-fit-black-motorcycle-jean/?attribute_pa_waist=32&attribute_pa_inside-leg=32) that might look a little worse?


achoowin

Had to look up thar rating system since I've never heard it before. AA will be good enough for most situations and the AAA will give the max protection while sacrificing some comfort. As far as fit will depend on brand, some run big some run small.


maximus12793

AAA is more like highway stuff right (long slides)? 90% of my rides are backroads and try to avoid highways/high speeds since I'm still learning.


achoowin

You would probably be ok with anything above A.


WalterSob44

Looking for suzuki dr 600 1987 workshop manual Hi guys! I've bought a suzuki dr600 "djebel" from 1987 , but it needs a total disassembly and revision. So i need it's workshop manual, but can't find it anywhere on the internet, so i'm asking you guys. Thansks in advance


DirtyYogurt

Do you speak German? That's the closest I can find


WalterSob44

Mee too, but i don't speak german Like i can't even find a manual for the s model or a later one Thanks a lot anyways


ruinedRX7

DEMO bike question - no title or mso ? so im looking at buying a '19 indian FTR 1200 s Race Replica tomorrow for a GREAT price from a gentleman that works at a dealership out of my state (im in maryland). he has been using the bike as his and it only has 70 miles on her! he said he doesnt have an MSO or Title though bc it's a demo bike, once the bike is paid for the Full Warranty starts and polaris (who owns indian, who he works for) will mail me the MSO. im paying the price we agreed upon plus Maryland sales tax does this sound legit ? he has a @ polaris . com email and a google search shows he's a director of regional sales for polaris i tried posting this on the main sub but it got removed and i cant see the reason why


ruinedRX7

update. i went for it. got copies of everything, got a POC at polaris headquaters that is handling the paperwork, everything is straight forward and seems legit. i think im in the clear brought the bike home and it's fucking gorgeous. there's flake in the black paint, i put about 80 miles on it already. he said it can take a few weeks since it's all just snail mail for them to receive it, process it and get it back to me. i got a copy of the MSO in polaris' name as well, i think im good... well i hope lol


ruinedRX7

So the seller sent me a copy of the mso! It's still in Polaris' name but at least now I have something lol I feel a lot better about the whole ordeal


achoowin

If buying from a dealer, go for it. John Doe, I don't know.


BenjaminWobbles

Sounds sketchy. I wouldn't put up more than a few hundred bucks without a clean title and matching VIN.


notmyselftoday

Not having a title doesn't worry me for a dealer demo bike, but I thought those would still have a MSO. Don't know for sure, but that does seem odd. On the other hand it sounds like the dude is legitimate based on your research. Where would the sale take place? At, and through, the dealership? Or as a private sale? If it's at the dealership I would have no issues, if it's a private sale then I'd be a little hesitant.


bwfurr128

Currently riding a 1986 Honda Goldwing Aspencade, and looking to switch things up. Found a local guy to me selling a 2003 Suzuki GSXR 600. The GSXR 600 has 83000 miles, and from the pictures looks pretty clean. He mentions that it will need new rotors and rear brakes, but he's asking $2000 for the bike. Wondering if anyone has insight on these early 2000's GSXR's and if 2000 is a fair price.


achoowin

Its an OK price. That's more miles then I would typically go for but Japanese bikes seem to run forever. Rotors can be expensive, so I'd look into that before buying. I think it was around 3-500 bucks when I was looking for rotors for my cbr.


bwfurr128

Rotors look to be around 3-400. Brake pads I'm not too worried about. But it is the mileage that is making me a little unsure


achoowin

Regular maintenance and get the valves checked and you should be good. Plenty of sport bikes with over 100k as long as the maintenance was done.


Astronut325

Is there much wiggle room in the destination/freight charge and the dealer mark up? I’m eyeing a new 2019 Kawi Z650. But the two charges make it hit well over MSRP.


Elongo06

Destination is usually not negotiable, but prep charges are. I got mine argued down to half. It was a lefftover as well.


03Void

Usually yes but not much these days. If you don’t buy it at that price the next customer will. There’s just too much demand and too little offer.


Astronut325

Hm... ok. Even for a new bike from 2019? I would think the dealer would want to dump it since it hasn’t sold for 2 years.


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2021 MT-09, 2021 GSX-S750Z ABS, or the SV-650abs. Commuting and fun are the needs. Already had a 17 650, the S750z seems like an upgrade. The new MT 🥵 it’s sexy and I wants it. Help me decide. And I live in central Florida so 💀


03Void

The MT09 got really sub par suspensions for the segment unless you get the SP. Check out the Z900. Better brakes and suspensions and TFT dash for around the same price the MT is.


Noobasdfjkl

You don’t really need good suspension in Florida lol.


03Void

You do even on the smoothest race track on earth.


Noobasdfjkl

Most race tracks have turns. The opportunities for turning in central Florida outside of race tracks are few and far between.


03Void

You turn at a stop sign or a green light at some point. You need suspensions.


Noobasdfjkl

If we’re being pedantic, yes, you literally need suspension, but one should not rule out the MT-09 because the suspension is not as good as the Z900 if you’re just turning at stop signs.


03Void

You’re still paying a similar price for an inferior bike in most aspects And you’ll feel better suspensions even when doing simple turns. It’s doesn’t matter the speed you go.


Noobasdfjkl

It’s also a lot easier to make the MT-09 suspension better than it is to drop 50lbs out of the Z900. You fee the weight no matter the speed you go too.


03Void

I rode both and strangely the Z corners better and feels lighter between the legs. So I’d say it doesn’t matter. Also on paper the Z is only about 30 pounds heavier.


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03Void

It means lack of adjustability most of the time. And that if it’s ajustable it got wrong oil weight or spring rate in it so it doesn’t matter if it’s ajustable since you’ll never be able to adjust it correctly. Meanwhile every competitor got at least decent suspensions. The Street Triple R, the Z900, the GSXS750, the CB650R… Yamaha is known to put inferior suspension than the competition on their nakeds. As for what a properly adjusted suspension does for riding, it means more confort and more confidence in corners. The bike will feel more stable and will lose traction much more easily.


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Oh okay that makes sense. Can you explain the differences between the gsx 750 naked line up. It’s so confusing on Suzuki site, they seem all the same.


03Void

I understand the Z version is just a special edition color. And then are the ABS versions


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How do you feel about the duke 390?


03Void

Good tech package for the price. I went with the Z400 instead because the Duke can have reliability issues.


stingyboy

Would love to have a new Triumph Speed Twin. Talk me out of it by suggesting I look at a _____ instead.


Noobasdfjkl

Z900RS


ztherion

XSR900


Benediximus

A couple of the popular youtubers (fortnite) recommend a high dual-sport style boot for beginners to protect from dropping the bike on your lower leg and suffering a fracture of the tib &/o fib. This seems sensible enough but in one video the icon Joker is recommended, which doesn't have calf protection which confuses the issue for me. Should all overcautious beginners be wearing adventure/dual-sport boots? Am I overthinking this (I know, I know), thoughts?


ztherion

MX boots are designed to work with a guard or brace for the upper part of the lower leg. The point of using an MX boot on the street is because they're cheap alternatives to sport boots (like $100 for Fox boots). If you can afford nice sport boots, get nice sport boots.


BluShine

I got a MX/dual sport style boot, but that’s also because I ride a dual sport. If you have a dual sport, ADV, or scrambler bike, or if you just plan to ride on dirt and gravel occasionally, I think it’s a good idea. If you ride a cruiser or a sport bike, get a cruiser or a sport boot. They aren’t quite as rock-solid as an MX boot, but there’s plenty of options with good protection. I don’t think Icon is very well-known for their boots. They seem fine, but for around the same price you could get boots from Alpinestars, Fox, Oneal, or Sidi.


OpusThePenguin

It's a safety vs risk thing. The odds are as a beginner learning you'll more likely than other riders to have a low speed crash and drop it on your ankle. So you buy a boot or shoe on whether you think that risk is acceptable or not. Then you can decide on how much safety you want. I can't remember exactly what's in the video, but odds are he suggested a more budget boot as well for a beginner.


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achoowin

Gt air2 doesn't have the rating because of the drop down sun visor. Still a great helmet though


Throttlechopper

I love my Shoei's but buy them for the Snell rating. For a secondary helmet I have an AGV K3, it's the second AGV I've owned, the quality is great and quietness is just one step below a Shoei. The replacement K5 has an internal sun visor and is both ECE and DOT rated. Check out the AGV, with Arai, your "visor" is simply an external shaded shield which means you have to leave the flap up when not in use, or remove it and have something fragile to carry with you.


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if0rg0t2remember

> Why not get the RF1400? It’s better shark rated anyway. If you mean SHARP rated where do you find this info? I can't find anything about the RF1400 being rated by SHARP yet.


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if0rg0t2remember

Kindly link the SHARP rating for the NXR2. I don’t see it listed on the SHARP site. EDIT: User deleted their comments.


if0rg0t2remember

Snell is a voluntary racing certification and their primary certifications don't allow for voids in the helmet for drop down sunvisors. Very few if any helmets that aren't meant for track use will pursue a Snell certification. Snell puts a heavy emphasis on having an extremely rigid shell to glance off high speed blows compared to other standards. My understanding is that often times helmet manufacturers will make very minor changes to meet some specifics of the old and outdated DOT standard. As such it is technically a different helmet and even if the Euro version is ECE rated the changes to the DOT version means that one doesn't carry the ECE rating. Generally speaking I think if the comparable Euro model is ECE rated you can basically assume the DOT version meets the same specs but for some minor beaurocratic change.


Invawlk

I've decided on my first bike so now i'm looking more into gear, specifically my boots. I know i'm supposed to stay far away from sneakers while riding but I don't like the look of those giant motorcycle boots. I was hoping I could sub them out for combat boots, would these provide enough protection? https://thursdayboots.com/products/mens-explorer-combat-boot-black-matte?collection=boots


finalrendition

Check out the TCX Hero. They come in black and look like combat boots


OpusThePenguin

[Some combat boot looking options in here](https://www.revzilla.com/harley-cruiser-boots). You'll find that sort of look associated more with cruiser and Harley styles.


CambionLS

No, they won't. They may provide abrasion protection (maybe) but as others stated, they will provide zero protection from torsion or crushing both of which are common. If you don't like the look of proper motorcyle boots just can you not just wear your pants over them?


Invawlk

I generally prefer to cuff my pants to show off my boots, saying that, I'll definitely look for some motorcycle boots that work with my style.


HiltoRagni

Better than sneakers, but far from anything purpose built. If you're shooting for the combat boot look, but still want fairly decent protection, you could go with something like the Rev'It Marshall, or if you are looking for something even more casual then you can get motorcycle shoes styled as sneakers, like the Alpinestars J-6 WP for example.


03Void

No, there’s no ankle armour or torsional protection. They also have laces which will catch your pegs and shifter and you’ll drop the bike if that happens. There are boots that looks like normal boots tho. I have the Klim Outlander personally and they look like regular hiking boots. They got ankle armour and a ratchet lace mechanism. Super comfortable too.


Streakshooter31

Hi. I just put in the paperwork to purchase a Kawasaki Vulcan 650. I've done some research on it by watching youtube reviews. What can anyone tell me about owning one long term? Any issues that pop up within the first few months of daily ride? I'm 5'7" around 150 or so. My feet are flat on the ground when stopped so I'm not concerned about the ride height. How maneuverable is it in tight spaces (lane filtering is legal in my country). For anybody wondering, I'm not a new rider by any means but before this, the biggest bike I owned was a CBR 150. I downgraded to a 110cc honda moped because the CBR was a bitch to maneuver between stopped cars.


Elongo06

We bought a new Special Edition in 2016 and still have it. Last year the left foot peg nut sheared off leaving it in 5th gear. Luckily we had AAA RV plus coverage and got it home. 2 dollar fix.


03Void

The Vulcan will definitely feel bigger to maneuver than the CBR150.


Astronut325

Is getting a demo bike a good idea? Am I setting myself up to deal with a lot of mechanical problems? There is a Triumph Street Triple RS that was a demo bike. Dealer is taking taking over $2K off the price. Any one here bought a demo bike before? If yes, were there a lot of mechanical problems?


Throttlechopper

I bought a Triumph Speed Triple that was demo bike, the nice thing was the bike came with quite a few upgrades (seat cowl, windscreen, factory bar-end mirrors) as well as the discount. I put 12k trouble-free miles on it before a truck merged into me getting on the freeway, I dumped the bike and escaped with a few scrapes, it slid for about 25 feet and had stator cover, handlebar, and panel damage, sadly my insurer decided to total it. Best bet, have an independent mechanic check the bike out, or have the dealer throw in an extended, factory warranty.


Lordgingerous

I remember riding behind a guy at a Kawi demo day. Dude was on a Ninja 1000, and for the whole 20 minute ride, all he did was slow down a little bit and then WOT and wheelie to catch up to the guy in front of him. So no, I wouldn't go anywhere near a demo bike.


if0rg0t2remember

I think it all depends on the type of bike and the mileage it has when you are buying. Also the attitude of the dealer and the type of clientele would sway my decision. If it is at a dealer that seems to attract a more luxury and older demographic rather than sport bike bros I'd be a bit more confident. In your case I'd be a little more wary because a Street Triple RS is without question a very sporty bike which means folks test riding it will most likely have ridden a bit recklessly to see how it performs. I bought a demo R nineT several years back, but when I bought it only one person had test ridden it besides me and it had around 20 miles on it mostly from factory. Also the R nineT tends to attract a more middle aged crowd. So I felt confident buying mine knowing it was still under break in period and most likely still pristine.