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46th Saturn Awards Winners: ‘Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker’ Leads With Five Prizes

46th Saturn Awards Winners: ‘Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker’ Leads With Five Prizes

Tartan_Samurai

I would be interested in seeing what the other nominees were?


sithfistoou

For best sci-fi film: Ad Astra, Gemini Man, Lucy in the Sky, Tenet, Terminator Dark Fate. A pretty wild selection. There's panned stuff like Lucy in the Sky, and then nothing really got better than an overall lukewarm reception except Ad Astra and maybe Tenet.


Tartan_Samurai

Um, yeah, TRoS doesn't seem that controversial of a choice in that context


jjblarg

Underwater was apparently too good for these awards.


layer11

Slow year for sci fi huh


kasetti

Yeah, but not slow enough to pretend episode 9 was the best of them.


ThirdTurnip

Rise of Skywalker wasn't even this year, for the awards. It belonged to last year. They extended this year's eligibility period. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46th_Saturn_Awards Worked out well for Disney since Avengers dominated the 45th, where Rise of Skywalker belonged. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45th_Saturn_Awards


Chen_Geller

Its shocking to me that film didn't win razzies like the prequel films.


fastcooljosh

George Lucas wasn't really a darling in Hollywood since star Wars when he decided to finance all the movies ( ESB to Rots) himself and let Hollywood only distribute them. And the way he got the rights to the original movie back (A movie Fox paid for and he only had the production and merchandising rights to, but didn't own it) was also not that nice, but genius if you ask me. ( Basically blackmailing Fox with taking his next movie, Empire Strikes Back, to another studio and let them distribute the Picture instead) You can bet a lot changed afterwards in regards to ownership to new franchises in hollywood. ( sequel rights, merchandising rights etc).


check_my_grammer

Yea, it was a fucking awful movie


CX52J

I don't know many films from the last decade, let alone the last year or two more deserving than Rise of Skywalker. Please god tell me all the awards are things like visual effects and consumes which actually might deserve an award. Edit: Holy Sh\*t. I can give them Best Music and Best Make-Up but Best Science Fiction Film, Best Director is the biggest joke I've ever heard. How much did JJ Abrams pay for that!?


ThirdTurnip

> How much did JJ Abrams pay for that!? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Awards > The Saturn Awards are voted upon by members of the presenting Academy. The Academy is a non-profit organization with membership open to the public. Its president and executive producer is Robert Holguin, and producer/writers Bradley Marcus and Kevin Marcus. Its members include filmmakers **J. J. Abrams**, Bryan Singer, Steven Spielberg, Bryan Fuller, Mark A. Altman, Vince Gilligan and James Cameron, among others.


CX52J

Wow… that explains everything.


numbers_all_go_to_11

Sounds like someone at Disney used the ol’ Jedi mind trick to convince the judges they actually saw a good movie.


ImNotHereToBeginWith

Also known as "money"


agoddamnjoke

They got critics to say good things about The Last Jedi. Disney has massive resources.


RabbitofCaerbannog13

What a joke…this movie should be in the running for lots of razzies. This was the only Star Wars movie from the Disney era that I actually hate with a burning passion


CX52J

100% agreed. Although I'm also incredibly angry about Force Awakens also since it set the foundations for a boring and vanilla trilogy while also providing the worst foundations for a trilogy I've seen. ​ And yet they got away with it at the time! On the promise that the next instalments were all planned out and all the foreshadowing was thought through and wasn't the old "throw against a wall and see if it sticks".


RabbitofCaerbannog13

I’m fine with Force Awakens mainly because of the prequel trilogy. I actually really like RotS, but the other two are absolute trash, so watching RotS when it came out was more of a relief that the prequel trilogy was done. Because of that, The Force Awakens, to me, had to be what it was in order to set a foundation for a new trilogy…which ended up being a waste because of Rise of Skywalker


CX52J

It didn't set up a new trilogy though is the problem. It basically goes out of its way to make Empire vs rebels happen. The vehicles design really sums that up with how unoriginal it is. JJ Abrams once said that he loved how tie fighters looked against the sunset in Force Awakens. That quote is why it doesn't work. He made a film that looked iconic rather than making a film that becomes iconic in it's own right. Phantom Menace. Love it or hate it set a whole new world of the star wars universe. Coruscant, Naboo, the senate, the Jedi. It set up a huge amount when you consider it. You could make force Awakens take place like a year or two after Return of the Jedi and it wouldn't seem out of place.


RabbitofCaerbannog13

The general public would not have liked a movie vastly different than what Force Awakens did though. If you look at A New Hope, my favorite SW, it’s pretty straight forward compared to Empire. Empire was the one that got to expand on the mythos and galaxy. I figured they were being safe with the first in the new trilogy, then The Last Jedi would be the one to take it off in its own direction. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work because JJ took Rise of Skywalker back to what Force Awakens did, but not nearly as good and at the end of the trilogy, so a big let down.


CX52J

I don't follow that at all. I don't understand how you can claim that people wouldn't have wanted something original for Episode 7. Rogue one was more original than episode 7 both vehicle wise and plot wise and that was set 5 minutes before new hope. Episode 7 forced a complete copy of Empire vs rebels despite making no sense. We could have had a really interesting dynamic like the clone wars had rather than wiping out 90% of the good guys to make them the under dog.


TooZeroLeft

Because the Prequels were different and the Star Wars fans absolutely hated it for years, tore down George Lucas and the cast and crew for decades, and wouldn't stop saying how bad these movies were (even though back when they launched they got positive reviews by critics) TFA *had* to be something familiar and safe to not ensure a new meltdown. It was good and competent and liked by critics and most importantly by SW fans because it was a rehash and not different and out there like the Prequels. Then came TLJ, which also tried different things like the Prequels, and was also enjoyed by critics, but was absolutely torn apart by many SW fans, and the harassment the director and crew and cast received was comparable to the Prequels all over again, so they had to go back to a rehash in TROS, which didn't please the haters (because they will never be satisfied unless it's a complete retreat and they already decided to hate the characters because of TLJ), but also didn't please the people who did like TLJ and TFA, and on top on that wasn't a good film at all, so we got what we got. Trevorrow was fired because of a bad film he made and they didn't want to take more risks because they realized risk-taking is the anthithesis of what SW fans actually want, even though they claim otherwise.


RabbitofCaerbannog13

May be controversial, but having read the leaked Trevorrow idea for Episode 9, although the actual film may have ended up a shit show, I think I would have enjoyed his version much more. Even though it may not have landed, at least he was trying to push the Star Wars mythos ahead like Rian Johnson was trying to do with The Last Jedi.


TooZeroLeft

Fully agreed. Like, maybe it wouldn't have been well received critically or by fans either, but at least it was Colin's vision like Rian's vision was in TLJ. I like JJ, but his interests are merely on doing things we've seen before, and I think that TLJ and DOTF was moving into a new direction that would justify the Sequels' and their place in the SW universe. The script was messy but man, most of the ideas were so much better. No Palpatine resurrecting - but still having a cameo via a pre-recorded hologram, Kylo as an actual villain, like how he was seemingly set up as an Anti-Vader (being fully evil and not redeemable), Rey, Poe, Hux, and Finn having a lot to do and being tied to their own journeys, Luke's Force ghost taunting Kylo (which we were teased with Luke's "see you around, kid"), expanding on Darth Plagueis. What could have been


bernsteinschroeder

> Because the Prequels were different and the Star Wars fans absolutely hated it for years, tore down George Lucas and the cast and crew for decades, and wouldn't stop saying how bad these movies were (even though back when they launched they got positive reviews by critics) The only critics that matter are the fans. The problem was the prequals was that they *were* different and in a bad way. Belated Media does a fantastic breakdown of what was wrong with the prequals in the series [WHAT IF "STAR WARS: EPISODE I" WAS GOOD?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgICnbC2-_Y) (be sure to watch epII and epIII). He rewrites the story of each of the prequals and shows what went horribly wrong with each of the movies by **dramatically** improving the story, and how the original trilogy and the prequals work together.


RabbitofCaerbannog13

Rogue One more original than Episode 7??? Yea, but not by that much. The movie LITERALLY leads into A New Hope. People liked it because it was basically a more rough, boots-on-the-ground A New Hope. Don't get me wrong, I REALLY like Rogue One, but I don't think it is as original as some people make it out to be. It was VERY smart on Disney's behalf for The Force Awakens and Rogue One to be the first couple of movies coming out of Disney/Lucasfilm. You have to remember, there are A LOT of people that go see the Star Wars movies that I would not consider big Star Wars fans, same as Marvel movies. There is a reason why The Force Awakens is one of the highest-grossing movies of all time, because a lot of the general public goes out to see these movies. If the prequels were better received, I have no doubt Episode 7 would have been more "original", but that's not what happened.


agoddamnjoke

Just because it led into ANH, doesn’t mean it was the same thing as ANH. The plots are fairly different along with the characters. What are you talking about?


CX52J

Force Awakens was the highest grossing Star Wars film because it was the first time seeing the OT gang since the 80’s. My point was that Rogue one isn’t that original and was using it show how completely unoriginal force awakens was. It was clear they had no confidence in it and still chose to do something unoriginal over George’s script. (Which was probably also bad but a lot more original). They should have given it to Dave and Jon. Since Jon expressed interest at the time.


RabbitofCaerbannog13

I slightly disagree. Yes, it was seeing the old characters that helped, but The Force Awakens was truly a FUN movie. Whether you think it's a great Star Wars movie or not is a different discussion, but I believe the general audience thoroughly enjoyed the movie because it was just lots of fun, which is why Star Wars is as big as it is.


bernsteinschroeder

> I don't understand how you can claim that people wouldn't have wanted something original for Episode 7. Here's the thing, while there was a 'feel' of nostalgia to the original Star Wars, it suffered from the same "hey, look at us, we're star wars!" problem that the prequals did. Star Wars had a focus on characters building up and being discovered and Ep7 had a focus on the 'there's this big arc we're setting up'. It was the pacing but without the Hero's Journey archetype. Lower in the thread I linked to Belated Media's (What if Episode I was good?)[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgICnbC2-_Y] series where he rewrites the prequals and reveals a far better story that really feels like Star Wars. The same lessons apply to the ep7-9. Belated Media gives you a new story but you feel the same heart you did in the original Star Wars. This is what the new trilogy needed and didn't receive.


agoddamnjoke

TLJ didn’t take anything on its own direction and wrecked the trilogy.


agoddamnjoke

It was an improvement over The Last Jedi


RabbitofCaerbannog13

That...is definitely an opinion. A TERRIBLE one, but an opinion nonetheless...


agoddamnjoke

Not really. TLJ was atrocious.


RabbitofCaerbannog13

We agree to disagree. That’s what great about movies. We both watched the same movie and got two COMPLETELY different opinions about it


agoddamnjoke

Yes, we COMPLETELY disagree.


_TheRedViper_

You really have to not care about storytelling on any level to think that tbh. The last jedi has its faults without a doubt, but at least it was a decent story. TROS is a complete and utter mess which felt like a film trying to appease /r/saltierthancrait crybabies in the most creatively bankrupt way possible


agoddamnjoke

No I do care about storytelling which is why the awful script of TLJ makes it so bad. The story is not decent at all. It’s a slow speed chase that doesn’t make sense. It characterized Luke in a way that doesn’t make sense. Rey levels up like it’s the matrix. And Finn goes to a casino and gets a parking ticket. TROS sucked, but was much, much better. At a certain point people will have to choose between those who didn’t like TLJ were a loud minority, or enough people that Disney would change their story.


_TheRedViper_

Which is still better than what TROS did, which is one plot element with no setup whatsoever after the other, while chasing one mcguffin after the other like in a videogame story. Bringing back the emperor alone is such a massive sign of 'we have no idea what to do' that it's outright laughable to do just that in the last film of the trilogy and the whole saga. TLJ's character arcs all work on a fundamental level, including luke's. TROS only has twists and retconts to appease people who couldn't deal with a slight demystification which happened in TLJ. Utterly insane how bad that script is that it doesn't manage to tell any story building on top of the other two films which came before. I don't even care if it's a loud minority or not, the point is the film was made with the most creatively bankrupt decisions i have ever seen in a film of that status.


agoddamnjoke

Not better than TROS, no. And the whole no set up thing is because of how awful TLJ was. TLJ’s “arcs” don’t exist or work in any level. The movie was so bad the next one openly mocked it.


_TheRedViper_

You just really have no idea what you're talking about tbh. You can nitpick the writing in TLJ all you want and tell me that some thing don't make perfect sense (surprise, they never did in any star wars film), but overall it's a film which has a story to tell with character arcs which are based on fundamental patterns like need and want. TROS on the other hand truly doesn't do anything but totally abandon anything which came before while making shit up. That's creatively bankrupt, and not a sign TLJ is at fault. There isn't a single reason TROS couldn't have told a story after TLJ without doing that, they decided to be as safe as possible with shit like the emperor being behind it all from the get go, no setup for this in any of the films, but who cares? You won't be able to name things TLJ created TROS couldn't have used effectively. That there was no overarching plan is one thing, but you don't necessarily need that, you just need people who build on top of each other, TLJ did that, TROS didn't even try. Probably the worst star wars film of the whole saga.


agoddamnjoke

Nah TLJ is worse.


_TheRedViper_

You'll eventually grow out of it, hopefully!


agoddamnjoke

Grow out of having my opinion? I sure hope not.


sithfistoou

Looking at the whole list of winners and nominees, there's a lot of dumb stuff, even for sci-fi awards, but I love seeing JDW win best actor for Tenet, even if it is over the likes Lindo and Phoenix, but also in such nothing awards such as the Saturn awards. It's one of my favourite blockbuster performances in a some time, even if it came off as wooden to some, but physically he's on a perfect wavelength with the rest of the film. Also doesn't hurt that I just love Tenet.


fastcooljosh

What a joke


kasetti

Lmao, best scifi and especially best director. I am fine with them awarding the people behind the special effects because they did a fine job, but pretty much everything else was bad.


BlasterFinger008

They need to have their heads examined


jbering69

You can put lipstick on a pig...


NIDORAX

That movie was released in 2019. Why is it receiving an award in 2021?


bjkman

> the eligibility period was extended to run July 15, 2019-November 15, 2020 and allowed streaming and VOD entrants in the film categories.


flipperkip97

Crazy how you can just find out such things by actually reading the article.


itsvoogle

If this was the Best Science Fiction film i am the Queen of England …


queen_of_england_bot

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ThirdTurnip

> the Queen of Australia Silly bot. Australia does have a queen and her name is Priscilla.


mickeyflinn

Sadly it was. It was shit.. Look at what it competed against.


The_DevilAdvocate

Is this a comedy award? I hate laugh tracks, but I heard them in my head while reading this article. Best science fiction film: "Rise of Skywalker" Was it the only sci-fi movie made in 2019-2020?


ThirdTurnip

Not even. It belonged to last year's awards period. This year's eligibility period was extended. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46th_Saturn_Awards


BlotchComics

SWTROS is closer to Best Sci-Fi Film than Joker is to Best Comic To Film.


mickeyflinn

What Sci Fi released in 2019/2020 was better?


BlotchComics

My comment is about Joker winning not SWTROS.


francostudd

For me, ROS was one of the most entertaining silly big movies I've ever seen. The fast pace of the whole movie makes you forget how silly the script is), but I must admit that JJ Abrams super fluid direction (all those camera moves eliminating the need for actual editing) was pure eye candy. But man... it's like Star Wars on acid!....


MangoParty

Good on them, I loved it :)


mickeyflinn

That tells you how lousy Sci Fi was in 2019 and 2020.


bernsteinschroeder

Damn, Saturn Awards are up for bids and bribes now, eh? Edit: Maybe that's unfair. John Williams *is* John Williams and even when he isn't staggeringly brilliant he's still better than we deserve.