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Hamas rejects Palestinian Authority's call for municipal elections; wants presidential, legislative elections to also be held.

Hamas rejects Palestinian Authority's call for municipal elections; wants presidential, legislative elections to also be held.

Someandthe

Observers said Abbas abandoned the elections due to fears of defeat by rivals within his own Fatah movement and by Hamas. \-- [This is the most recent poll among Palestinians in the West Bank](https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/AWRAD%20-%20Public%20opinion%20poll%20among%20Palestinians%20in%20the%20West%20Bank%202021.pdf) I'm posting the relevant ones here: 1. 67% of the respondents support the annulment of the Oslo Accords, and 61% of them oppose the continuation of security coordination between the Palestinian Authority and Israel. 2. A list supported by Marwan Al-Barghouthi\* is the most popular one, followed immediately by a list supported by Hamas. The list supported by President Abbas ranks third. 3. In a two-way presidential election, Marwan Barghouthi wins over Ismail Haniyeh (Hamas chief) - 68% and 32% respectively. \*Marwan Barghouti is serving in Israeli prison and is regarded as a leader of the First and Second Intifadas. Israeli authorities have called Barghouti a terrorist, accusing him of directing numerous attacks, including suicide bombings, against civilian and military targets alike.Barghouti was arrested by IDF in 2002 in Ramallah.He was tried and convicted on charges of murder, and sentenced to 5 life sentences.


bakochba

The Oslo Accords created the Palistinian Authority, so 67% want to vote in an election for a government they want to end and hand over all power back to Israel. That's literally what ending the Oslo accords would mean, no more Palestinian control of Area C or B and more Palestinian Authority, just Israeli occupation.


VivecWasAnInsideJob

[Heartbreaking: The worst person you know just made a great point.](https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/)


spidersinterweb

As if there's gonna ever be more Palestinian elections


houinator

Can't really disagree with Hamas here. The current PA is a "democracy" in name only, having not held elections in a meaningful way since 2005, and Abbas is a corrupt autocrat using thin pretexts to cling to power. If there were a viable path to peace on the horizon, I might be in favor of a delay, but with that off the table, I don't think there is a good justification for continuing to delay elections.


userAsklepi0s

Hamas has just killed any Fatah in Gaza that can challenge them. And the PA hasn't in the West Bank. That's why they want qn election. They can only gain


houinator

Polling suggests a Fatah list headed by Barghouti would win, while the one backed by Abbas would lose. However, a Barghouti list winning would highlight the fact that the differences between Hamas and Fatah are mostly surface level.


grandolon

Mustafa Barghouti?


houinator

Marwan


grandolon

Can he even run for president from an Israeli jail? If he were elected, how could he carry out the duties of office from prison? I wonder if people are answering the poll that way symbolically.


Albatross-Helpful

How did Hamas "kill" Fatah in Gaza?


houinator

By literally killing them, in some cases in fairly creative ways: > Hamas militants seized several Fatah members and threw one of them, Mohammed Sweirki, an officer in the elite Palestinian Presidential Guard, off the top of the tallest building in Gaza, a 15-story apartment building. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)#Battle


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>How did Hamas “kill” Fatah in Gaza [By public execution](https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/462513/hamas-militants-before-executions.jpg)


Someandthe

Yep.


bakochba

Some people are going to read this and say, "well there should be elections". The issue is that Democracy is more than just elections, and as corrupt as Abbas is a Hamas take over of the West Bank would be a catastrophe for the Palestinians internationally, many nations, including the EU and the US have laws against providing funds to Hamas, furthermore Jordan would be completely destabilized likely leading to a blockade just as Egypt as done in Gaza.


ChampionshipNo1980

While I dispise Hamas one cannot forget the establish of ISIS in the Saini that has bleed into Gaza in recent years. While they are have overtly different ideologies one being Caliphate and the other being a relatively new nationalist movement its much easier to engage in negation with Hamas than an Islamic Caliphate. I fear digging deeper into this subject will have labeled as a racist but this highlights a very large problem in Islam. There are those who have embraced some form secularism that has allowed their country to flourish, those who are labeled as "not true Muslims", and those who wish to see a true Caliphate return. TLDR: Hamas is better than opening the door to further radicalism of Arabs in Gaza.


sapphic_saracen

ISIS is a wahhabi movement, it's a very recent ideology with little to no basis in islamic history. And the 'not true muslims' is *very* much characteristic of salafi/wahhabi islam as opposed to traditional mainstream islam. There's a reason Salafis are often derogatorily referred to as taqfiris (the act of declaring a muslim to be a non-muslim is called taqfir. It's very much a taboo thing to do in traditional islam.)


ChampionshipNo1980

The concept of a caliphate is nothing new. I was referring to split between Shia and Sunni when it comes to 'not true Muslims.' We can all agree that the bastardisation of Islam that wahhabism and qtibism in recent decades is cause for concern at the very least. But this problem that Muslims must solve for themselves one the rest of the world cannot.


sapphic_saracen

If that's what you meant you were doing it in a very roundabout way. You didn't even say the words 'sunni' or 'shia'. And really, the antagonism between sunni and shia muslims isn't really that different, or more inherently problematic, than the catholic/protestant divide. And the fact that Isis declared themselves a caliphate (to which everyone rolled their eyes) isn't all that significant and is completely unrelated to their extremism--I'm not sure why you're so stuck on it. It was just a way of them pretending to have legitimacy and historical precedent that they just don't have, and never will.


ChampionshipNo1980

The sunni shia split has proven far more violent. Considering Muslims joined the Islamic state from all over the world it is a problem within Islam. From the Philippines to West Africa muslim groups pledged allegiance to the newly formed caliphate. The world didn't just roll their eyes. They actually came together to fight a great evil.


Below_Left

Hamas is right on this. The problem with democracy is that sometimes bad people are going to win the vote. Just because Alabama keeps trying to create a neoconfederate theocracy doesn't mean we suspend elections there.