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Lucretius_5102

Any chance of an optimum hi-fi curve for the HD560S?


obelisk420

Would it be possible to see a list of headphones already sent to you and being worked in? Just curious about future updates but I understand if that would be annoying to do.


Squidmaster7

Has the frequency response of the Sennheiser 558 been evaluated? Ive got those and a pair of 6xxs. I like the sound quality of the 6xx especially with Oratory's preset but I find the 558's very superior in terms or comfort. To the point that I chose them over the 6xx's. Id love to get an EQ preset for the 558s if possible.


sydgputhrowaway

Hello! Would anyone happen to know if there exists EQ settings for the HD6xx? I saw comments referencing that they exist but can't seem to see them on the official list. Thanks


oratory1990

Hi! https://www.dropbox.com/s/zr5tqw0qojom9uh/Sennheiser%20HD650.pdf?dl=0 The HD6XX is functionally identical to the HD650. The only difference is the color and some accessories.


sydgputhrowaway

Thanks!


CoffeeTimeReview

If the (Q) factor and BW are the same thing, why, for example does the filter settings for the Sennheiser HD600 seem to have BW filters that don't seem to match up to the (Q) factor? I ask because I'm using Peace APO and can only change the (Q) factor.


oratory1990

Think of it like degree Celsius and degree Fahrenheit, they both describe exactly the same thing (temperature), but they are different numerical values.


CoffeeTimeReview

I think I may ahve answered my own question. I was confused because parameters that had the Quality at .71 is just baseline, so it would make sense not to include BW numbers as there's no change.


CoffeeTimeReview

That leads me to one more question. Even though Oratory1990 is one of the file tabs leading to this webpage, I am to understand that the filter settings listed at this site are Jack's and not Oratory's? https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/tree/master/results/oratory1990/harman\_over-ear\_2018/Sennheiser%20HD%20600


oratory1990

correct, the AutoEQ project is built and maintained by Jaakkopasanen, not by me. AutoEQ automatically searches the web for frequency response graphs, and automatically calculates EQ settings to bring them to a specified target curve. The EQ settings listed here (https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets) on the other hand are done by me - manually - by measuring the headphone on our headphone measurement rig and calculating an EQ, which I then finetune while listening to the headphone.


CoffeeTimeReview

Thank you for the answer and I've been switching between the two and can safely say I prefer your finetuning. I appreciate your service uwu.


Khial

The Dan Clark Aeon RT comes with a removable white felt filter pad inside the cups by default. I assume oratory1990 took these out when performing the tests/equalizing?


oratory1990

unless explicitely stated otherwise, all measurements are don in stock condition, as in "the way they are configured when you take them out of the box for the first time".


ChipsAhoiMcCoy

Hello guys! I just got my DT1990 Pro the other day, and I want to try to see what they s ound like with EQ. I really like the stock s ound, so I'm curious what will happen with the EQ profiles talked a bout here. (: I'm legally b lind, so I have a little trouble navigating subreddits sometimes, woudl anyone mind pointing me in the right direction a s to where I can find these profiles? I have already downloaded Equalizer APO and Peace GUI, so I'm good to start changing values I t hink? THanks!


oratory1990

Hi! This is the direct link to the EQ setting for the DT1990: https://www.dropbox.com/s/y0xz9p7vydb5n36/Beyerdynamic%20DT1990%20%28A%20Earpads%29.pdf?dl=0 I have honestly no idea how blind people navigate the internet, and I don't know if you can extract the information from the linked PDF, so just in case, here's the parameters that need to be entered into the EQ: |Filter Band|Filter Type|Frequency|Q-Factor|Gain|Comment| :--|:--|--:|--:|--:|:--| |Band 1|Peak|57 Hz|1.3|-1.3 dB|| |Band 2|Low-Shelf|105 Hz|0.7|+5.5 dB|Adjust gain to preference (bass)| |Band 3|Peak|200 Hz|0.5|-3.4 dB|Adjust gain to preference (warmth)| |Band 4|Peak|700 Hz|1.0|+0.6 dB|| |Band 5|Peak|1250 Hz|1.4|-0.5 dB|| |Band 6|Peak|7400 Hz|4.0|-7.0 dB|Adjust gain to preference (sibilance / detail)| |Band 7|Peak|8300 Hz|5.0|-3.3 dB|| |Band 8|High-Shelf|9000 Hz|0.7|-6.0 dB|Adjust gain to preference (airiness)| Let me know if that works!


ChipsAhoiMcCoy

>Hey ythere! Thanks a ton for your help! I have very little central vision, so I'm able to see enough to use Windows Narrator to fill me in on what people are saying, haha. I Ican still read, but just a little bit. It's uncomfortable for me to read for long periods of time, so I tend to use voice overs. I'm super new to this, adn have never equalized before, so I'm trying to wrap my head around how to input these, but I will try to get thhese inputu into Peace! Thank you very much for taking the time to send these my way! (: I appreciate what you do here.


oratory1990

So you have basic vision capabilities, just not as detailed? I guess there's more to "being blind" than just "not seeing". TIL! Fascinating. In any case, let me know if you have any troubles setting this up, I'll try to help where I can. Here's a link to [frequently asked questions](https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/faq?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=oratory1990&utm_content=t5_wsm7m)


ChipsAhoiMcCoy

Hey again! Do you happen to know of any guides that go into detail on how to use Peace/EQ APO that you would suggest? I've actually been browsing your subreddit trying to figure out the treminology and how it relates to Peace/EQ APO actually, haha. Things like trying to figure out what Band means, where I can find the Low Shelf/High Shelf settings that need adjusting, etc


oratory1990

Do video tutorials help you at all? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doAjkiLIkKA&list=PLFb68BU6_bvwQNIqgK7her48LPCong-PN


ChipsAhoiMcCoy

I am able to somewhat comfortably follow video tutorials thankfully haha. I have gotten through a round 7 of the videos in this playlist, but I can't seem to find which one references low shelf filters, bands, etc, do you happen to know which video in this playlist refers to those concepts? Thanks again! You've been a great help


oratory1990

have you found the button that allows you to change filter types? On the GUI it's directly below the field where you enter the Q-Factor parameter. Normally I'd draw a circle in a screenshot, but that won't help you, will it?


mikecheck95

Are the graphs that show the “projected” frequency response after correction made by measuring a headphone with EQ applied or are they made by interpolation of the original FR measurement before EQ?


oratory1990

They are done by summing the transfer function of each filter to the transfer function of the headphone.


Tint_Snob

Can I get a 10 band graphic EQ for the KSC75 please? The parametric EQ improves the sound a lot but I can’t use it on my phone.


SaturatedFart

You can use Poweramp Equalizer (Not the player app, EQ app is a separate one) and go into settings to set the EQ to Parametric, and utilize it. Enjoy!


oratory1990

The big problem with the KSC75 is the elevation around 5 kHz, which you can't combat with a graphic EQ. I would suggest something like a DSP amplifier, those can be small enough for portable use.


Tint_Snob

Ah, that’s unfortunate but also makes sense. I guess I’ll stick to my XBA-N3 for portable use until I get something like Qudelix 5k.


bobbooo888

Over on the Qudelix forums they said they've sent you a sample of their new, very intriguing [QX-Over](https://www.qudelix.com/blogs/5k-dac-amp/qx-over-earphones) active crossover IEMs. Just wondering if you've received them and managed to listen to or measure them yet?


oratory1990

I've been listening to them for the past few days and will measure them at the next opportunity.


bobbooo888

Great, thanks!


SweetTooth37

Request for TFZ No.3?


oratory1990

as with any requests, the easiest way is for you to send me your headphones so I can measure them :)


SweetTooth37

How would I go by about sending them?


oratory1990

write me a PM for details!


SweetTooth37

Pm sent.


ajaymnair1990

Which IEM comes closest to the oratory1990 target that you have measured?


oratory1990

some of the the higher-end Sonys are often quite close. Z1R, M9, XBA-N3, for example.


Steeveep32

If I wanted to slightly brighten the sound using the Oratory1990 eq how would I go about it? I assume it would be more than raising the high shelf


oratory1990

for which headphone?


Steeveep32

Sorry. Moondrop Starfield


oratory1990

I'd start by playing with the gain of filter band 6. If you find it not giving you the right timbral balance, you can try lowering the filter's frequency from 6k to something like 3k, meaning that the range from ~2k to 6k will be increased more compared to the specified values of the preset.


Steeveep32

Messing with the gain always sounded wrong but as soon as I changed the frequency to 5000 it was perfect. Exactly the slight brightening I was looking for. Same lovely timbre but heightened and more airy. Cheers again bud


redstej

Request for Sennheiser HD450bt series (I believe all variants are essentially the same). Only measurements I found so far are by rtings and they don't seem to correlate with reality in the slightest. If a pair happens to land in your hands of course.


oratory1990

as with any requests, the easiest way is for you to send me your headphones so I can measure them :)


redstej

Was afraid you'd suggest that, heh. Wouldn't be feasible for various reasons, so I'm not holding my breath. Just mentioned it in case you happen to find a pair somehow.


Antonio_Meireles

Hi! Would it be possible, to consider, for Headphones that have multiple available presets (say the HD650 which has the stock Harman and the Optimim Hifi targets) to have those presets ship with the same Pre-Amp values ? Or are there good reasons for not doing that ? thanks in advance, and many many thanks for your awesome hard work!


redstej

Preamping is done to avoid clipping due to the gain applied by the eq filters. If you want the same preamp across all your presets for some reason, just bring them all down to the lowest one. So for example if you got 3 presets with -5db, -3db and -2db preamps, just use -5db for all 3. There's no negative effect to lowering further the preamp other than the loss of volume of course, which I'm assuming you can compensate for with your actual amp.


mikecheck95

Does diaphragm thickness in planar or diaphragm material mean anything for sound quality? Is thinner better?


oratory1990

thinner diaphragms typically mean less weight. Less weight/mass means that with an equally high force you can accelerate faster / excurse further, meaning the SPL is higher at a given voltage input, meaning the sensitivity is higher. Higher sensitivity is generally beneficial for a headphone, as the power consumption is lower, and it's less taxing on the amplifier. Making the diaphragm thinner can cause other problems though, as it will naturally not be as stiff anymore, meaning modal break-up becomes more of a problem. Is thinner better? Not necessarily.


mikecheck95

So what are the main benefits of purchasing higher priced gear? Is this mainly a status thing for the very wealthy?


oratory1990

what's the benefit of buying a BMW if a Fiat will get you from A to B just as well? This hobby isn't only about logical choices. I put leather earpads on my headphones because I like the feel of leather. I make my own 16-core-cables because I like the look of them.


mikecheck95

I mean a BMW has the capability of higher performance. If you put your foot down driving on the highway you’re going to feel the power of the 100+ extra horsepower. Now in the case of headphones you do not get that extra performance with increasing cost. You may get a more beautiful and comfortable headphone but if the sound is wonky then who cares. It’s like buying a luxury car that has crappy brakes and dishing out the big bucks anyway.


oratory1990

> If you put your foot down driving on the highway you’re going to feel the power of the 100+ extra horsepower There are also BMWs that don't have excess horsepower, yet they're still more luxurious than a used Fiat. my point is: Unless you buy absolute crap, most headphones will "get you from A to B". Some people like a little luxury and that's fine. Headphones are *not* just about hearing everything perfectly. Sound only makes about 30 % of how high people rate audio products.


mikecheck95

I understand the analogy. It's true.. the comfort and look of a product are also important. Personally though, they aren't that important that I'm willing to part with multiple thousands of dollars for a flagship and need to use more EQ (which possibly compresses dynamic range even if only a bit) just to enjoy my music. You and your subreddit have saved me a lot of money! Thank you :)


[deleted]

Were the EQ settings for the Aeon closed RT created using one of the included filters or were they taken out? Thanks!


oratory1990

unless explicitely stated otherwise, measurements are done in stock condition.


[deleted]

Makes sense, though to my knowledge the RTs ship with the filter installed so is that "stock" or is the filter removed "stock." Thanks again!


oratory1990

the state the headphones are in when you take them out of the box, that's "stock condition". (obviously you'd plug in the cable first :D)