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Louisiana State Penitentiary, United States. Practicing modern day slavery.

Louisiana State Penitentiary, United States. Practicing modern day slavery.

badrocky2020

Slavery as punishment for crime is A.O.K. under the Thirteenth Amendment.


Agile_Pudding_

It’s interesting to imagine a counterfactual where the 13th didn’t have that loophole, so that rather than rolling out things like Black Codes and other laws to create criminals who could be enslaved again, a different solution was required to the newfound labor shortage.


badrocky2020

Sounds like the premise for another boring tv show.


5mackmyPitchup

As a taxpayer, you are the state, and every penny the state can get to cover the costs of incarceration is a penny less that comes from your taxes. The prisons don't employ maids and chefs and cleaners to take care of inmates, because they can take pride in looking after each other (utopian, I know). If the prison can sell license plates, or crops etc and the inmates/society benefit from that then it should be of merit. The fact that US prisons are run by corporations that charge the state per inmate + profit off their labour then the system needs fixing. If they are locked up every other hour of the day with no rehabilitation/counseling/mentoring then that is fucked up and those corporations should be named and shamed to their investors


Veythrice

>The prisons don't employ maids and chefs and cleaners to take care of inmates, Yes they do. They have supervisory positions for all those job roles that aren't inmates. And many other jobs. >The fact that US prisons are run by corporations Less than 8% of the US prison population lives in private owned or contracted prisons. In comparison that number is 18% for Australia, 10% for new Zealand and 20% for UK. The ones who actually bear the brunt for the state of the US system is the government who controls 92% of the US correctional system. The amount of Internet buzz centered around private prisons is the definition of missing the forest for the trees.


5mackmyPitchup

So the inmates do or don't work in the kitchens and clean the prison? Everything they do is under supervision so your statement, while true is not conclusively disproving my statement. The prisons may employ skilled (or not) supervisors but the prisoners do the majority of the labour. If you can help us out with some more prison facts. How much does the us taxpayer pay for the prison system annually and how much revenue is generated by those prisoners? Is there a big difference in work programs between private and govt prisons (both federal and state) . My point was not well made, but I am in favour of prisoners working and generating revenue to support the cost of their rehabilitation. I know this doesn't work in a lot of circumstances but I do know guys who learned skills (both vocational and social) in prison, that helped them make a fresh start


IntoTheMystic1

ADVANCE FOR MONDAY, SEPT.10--Louisiana Department of Corrections Sgt. Boo McKey watches a work crew head to the fields at the Louisiana State Penitentiary in Angola, La., Thursday morning, Sept. 6, 2001. Louisiana is among at least 14 states that receive subsidies on crops grown by convicts on prison farms. At least $17 million in crop subsidies went to government agencies including airports, wildlife departments and prisons. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)


porkly1

Boo?


Wedgtable

If only there was a way for these guys to avoid being in this situation…


BoebertsVajazzler

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."


broadsharp

Legend


5mackmyPitchup

If I was working in a field, a white T shirt is not my first choice, like who does their laundry?


KickballJamal

Who do you think??


LastBoiscout

You'll wear white in that Louisiana humidity. They're the ones doing their own laundry anyway


Rostratecavity

Bro you are going to be real mad when you learn about financal slavery tied to debt based fita currency.


Mr-Charlie1

Wage Slave - can’t even make enough money for proper housing, food, and medical care. Forced to work minimum wage jobs because nothing else is available close by. America - Land of the Fee, home of the Slave.


AquaFlowlow

When prisons are for profit, prisoners become slaves.


AlternativeRefuse685

Although it looks bad and people of color and poverty end up incarcerated way more than others you could be looking at murders or rapist being led on their daily routine.


FuzzyReaction

It’s a business and it’s about profit. It’s got nothing to do with justice.


TikTok_on_Reddit

Shh... those people are wrongfully accused for the sole purpose of free labor.


jjjosiah

Is there something about being a murderer or a rapist that necessitates you spending your days doing manual labor? Cuz that's not how prison works everywhere


TikTok_on_Reddit

Well, we could just kill the murderers and try to rehab the rapists, but hey, I'm just some dude with a cheap phone.


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Maeuthi

Wanna bet actual slavery was way more horrible than whatever it is you may be now describing as such or is that argument not making any sense to you?


5mackmyPitchup

That guy in the white hat is checking Reddit on his phone...


SuspiciousExpert1305

Then get up off your ass, and change the system.


Late_King_9218

Hoe squads aren’t slavery.


jjjosiah

Can they quit whenever they want?


Late_King_9218

Speaking for Texas - sometimes. There are always conditions, it could be a part of their sentence where they have to work to pay restitution.


Maeuthi

Yes they can! They can "quit" their labour job and find another one inside the prison! Or better yet, they can chose of no work! But hey, slavery, am i right?!


jjjosiah

Now apply this logic to why vaccine/testing mandates aren't fascism lol


Maeuthi

Why deflecting to another subject?


jjjosiah

Ok back to the chain gang if you can't think about two things at once: some prisoners are required to work to pay restitution as part of their sentence, and can only make a dent in that $ amount with the prison jobs that pay relatively more like the chain gang. But they don't have the option to not work, it's either chain gang or laundry or kitchen or something else that's equally slave labor. Just like the vaccine mandate but I know you can't think about two things at once we'll get there later.


Maeuthi

I'm unsure, wouldn't the debt stay even after their sentence if they haven't reimburse it fully during their sentence? Are you telling me that a prisoner cannot exit the prison even if he has completed is sentence if he has still a Debt to pay? Cause I'm pretty sure you can go out after your sentence even if you still have a debt.


jjjosiah

[yes](https://www.bop.gov/inmates/custody_and_care/work_programs.jsp)


Maeuthi

I mean, this does not prove that prisoner have to clean their debt to get out of prison as you seem to have claimed. It seem that this only prove that prisoner are free to choose the penal jobs they want to do and aren't forced to do it. So, prisoner are free to leave prison once their sentence is up and they don't need to pay in prison for their extra charges that may be required to finalize their files. They don't need to reimburse and they don't seem to be forced to work job they don't want... So how is it like slavery?


jjjosiah

They literally are [forced to work](https://howtojustice.org/going-to-prison/refuse-work-prison/) though, you're just using your imagination and pretending like whatever you dream up about the situation is a fact


Maeuthi

It is so weird how twisted you guys are about slavery. You understand that they arent forced to do that labour, right? They can quit and chose a different job inside the prison or just chose to not work if they so desire. But, somewhat, this is slavery to you dumbfucks. Oh well, i did some labour i didnt want to do, guess i was a slave also, huh?


Agile_Pudding_

You understand that Louisiana State Penitentiary used to be a plantation, right? That’s why it is nicknamed Angola, after the plantation, which was named for the country of origin of many slaves there. There’s a reason for these strong parallels besides just “look, people in a field!” More importantly, though, there’s a straight line from the abolition of slavery to Jim Crow-era laws targeting black people and “convict leasing”, which saw the overwhelmingly black population of the correctional facilities performing labor for which someone else was paid. I realize typical US history classes don’t exactly do a great job of focusing on painfully obvious problems in our history like this, since “and then slavery was abolished and things were great, until the civil rights era where they got even better” is a much more palatable narrative. That said, comparing a job you don’t like to slavery, when you are very clearly ignorant of the relevant history, just makes you look foolish.


Maeuthi

I understand the history of your country and the relation it had with slavery, dont worry im not dense. And sure, it was not so long ago that OP arguments would have been way more valid than it is today. My point i was making, while clearly being sarcastic was about people seeing this image and thinking that theses people were slaves because they might have been doing labour they didnt want to do. I was making fun of them, not saying i was comparing myself to a slave... but hey, reddit, i should have added the "/s".


ImDravenUCrazy

> Oh well, i did some labour i didnt want to do, guess i was a slave also, huh? Literally ***YES*** you dipshit.


Maeuthi

Hmm nah. It require a bit more force on the "FORCED" labour part than just me doing something i didnt want to do... What the fuck is this?! Are kids slaves now too? Cause i am pretty sure the goofing sentences i made could be made about kids being asked to do something they dont want to do and them being forced to do it... So, are they slaves to you also? ( i really like how confident you spew that insult at me, make your whole argument that much more ironic!)


Fancy-Moment-3632

Lmao that’s how you built roads back then


ZookeepergameTrue681

Bet $20 a slave from 1850 would kill to live in the conditions those pieces of criminal scum live in.


gofatwya

You don't know what you're talking about.


az9393

Is Reddit now against criminals being put in prisons or what ?


PedalPhreaq

I don't think corporations and the state have right to free labor. Last I checked, we have a name for that. Slavery.


az9393

It’s also called punishment for crimes


PedalPhreaq

Incarceration is about rehabilitating individuals and making society safer. Not giving free labor to the wealthy elite.


Maeuthi

They are doing all of theses while also making convicts works for the betterment of the area the prison is! But with all systems, its not perfect and it need to be improved, but comparing this to slavery is an insult to actual living slaves that are in much worse condition all around the world... But hey, you do you and you go and pretend that this is slavery.


Mr-Charlie1

clearly never been incarcerated - there is barely no effort made at rehabilitation. If you don’t work you don’t have money which means you eat like shit which can actually cause health problems so yes it’s slavery


Maeuthi

Welp, you clearly never were a slave. You don't work, you don't eat, at all, would have probably been what happens with actual slave. But sure, the convicts is so much like a slave!! You are so right!!! /S


az9393

Punishment for crimes is about making people feel uncomfortable so that they think twice about doing that again.


jjjosiah

They don't look in-a-prison


Justsumcoolguy

Maybe don't break the law then


dogfacechicken

I see community service.


2catslitterbox

More states should do this.


secsectan

"Homies, it's great here. I get a different hoe for 8 hours every day."


General_Apathy_II

Overseer, ovaseer ovaser ovacer officer. Ya need a little clarity, check the similarity.


rickk79

Now tell me about Uyghur camps in China....


AquaFlowlow

China and Russia’s combined prison populations don’t touch ours, we’re you actually making a point or we’re you just “but CHINA!”-ing.


Maeuthi

What is the point? That theses convicts are free to chose their labour inside their prison, instead of being forced to, like in Russia or China? I mean, you understand that all of theses people are there of their own choices, if they so desired, they could be doing another job inside the prison, or nothing at all. But hey, its like slavery am i right?


AquaFlowlow

Yes they are literally being forced to work for slave wages. lol Some states literally have quotas of prisoners to meet because of contracts. 2 THINGS CAN BE BAD! Just because China does shitty things doesn’t mean all of our shitty actions are justified. We have by far the highest incarceration rate in the world with by far the highest prison population, but please go on and defend it because “China Bad”. SMH


Maeuthi

Can you show me where and what you mean by being "forced"? Cause to my knowledge, they arent and they are free to decide for themselve if they will work or not at all. Sure, it seem some prison will make it harder for you if you decide to not work, but if this was TRULY slavery, theses situation would not exist, and the people not wanting to work would simply be killed or thrown away. So again, how is this slavery if they can chose and wont face death if they refuse?


AquaFlowlow

So what you want the semantics of “umm they’re actually forced indentured servants and not slaves” What are their salaries? What are the other options? Do you work in a prison or have money in the privatized prison industry and see it as an attack on your livelihood or are you just a shitty person incapable of empathy? They broke slaves btw, they didn’t kill their “investments” learn some history, majority of lynchings came after the civil war.


Maeuthi

They are paid, not much but paid. They can decide to not work. I am not even an US citizen, so yeah, go for your weird reach. And i am pretty sure you wouldnt have known about slaves getting killed, as they were viewed as simple commodity back in theses horrible times, but sure, they only broke them... lol. But hey, nice deflect, next post, just show me someplace where they are forced to do penal labour and i will gladly say i was wrong. If you continue trying to reach or make whataboutism, i wont answer and it will be clear to me you have no real proof of substance behing your FEELINGS that this is similar to slavery.


AquaFlowlow

[First link on google.](https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/10/how-private-prisons-profit-from-forced-labor) Maybe don’t make false statements and claims that aren’t true, the burden of evidence was in your court m8. Also you still haven’t answered anything, clearly your just a sad conservative cunt. Defending the worst fucking justice system on the planet because “fuck it I don’t live there”. Smh .09 cents hour isn’t slavery, fuck right off.


Maeuthi

Lol, reading past headline is hard, right? Seem to me like this prison is hellish, but still, you arent forced to work at all, you didnt even read the first paragraph. Damn...


AquaFlowlow

“and many more are forced to do entirely uncompensated janitorial work.” You have to actually keep reading an article, most are longer than a paragraph. Why do you think “Voluntary Compensated Labor” is in quotes every time it’s used. Your skull must be incredibly dense.


MrSwiftCoyote

Dont do the crime if you cant do the time.


SnooDucks5641

I guarantee they volunteer for this. Bro people really out here trying to make the the US “look bad. And the only ones falling for it are Americans.


achar72578

У преступности нет национальности


Capital_East5903

No. This is prison. It aint supposed to be a reunion of thugs.


inknuts

Awww. Somebody let their mentally deficient child on to reddit.


AliceArcherLorde

Oh this is fucked. I'm so angry.