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'Resign or Be Removed': Outrage After Top NY Dem Compares Buffalo's India Walton to David Duke | "This is the malignant narcissism of far too many white men," said Congressman Jamaal Bowman.

'Resign or Be Removed': Outrage After Top NY Dem Compares Buffalo's India Walton to David Duke | "This is the malignant narcissism of far too many white men," said Congressman Jamaal Bowman.

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JTGPDX

Whatever happened to you fall in love in the primaries, you fall in line in the general?


OssiansFolly

No no no...that's Republicans. Democratic voters fall in love or stay home.


fuddyduddyfidley

The point of that is to avoid spoiler candidates. There's no opposition in the Buffalo race. You _can't_ spoil it. If Walton had lost the (record low turnout) primary, but polled at 60%+ support in an uncontested general, I'm sure you'd be singing the opposite tune.


riceisnice29

In terms of losing to crazy authoritarians you’re right there’s no spoiler, but in terms of actually getting the specific policy you want, you could be wrong. It’s not like India and Byron have the exact same policy is it?


fuddyduddyfidley

That's what "vote blue no matter who" means. They're both blue candidates, just different flavors. She won the primary, not the general. She's not entitled to an uncontested run, especially given how unpopular she is with both Buffalo voters at large and Democratic Buffalo voters.


BitterBostonian

She won the primary, which means she's running to represent the Democratic party. It's not her fault the primary was record low turnout. The guy from this article doesn't have to endorse her, but his explanation is absolute garbage. There's also something to be said that the primary incumbent has done everything he could to try to get on the general ballot as an independent, until he was struck down as he missed the deadline to file.


fuddyduddyfidley

>She won the primary, which means she's running to represent the Democratic party. That's great. They're both still Democrats (blue) with policies that align with the platform of the Democratic Party. >It's not her fault the primary was record low turnout. And it's not his fault that a primary doesn't decide who takes office. >The guy from this article doesn't have to endorse her, but his explanation is absolute garbage. Yeah fuck that guy. >There's also something to be said that the primary incumbent has done everything he could to try to get on the general ballot as an independent, until he was struck down as he missed the deadline to file. That's fine, he's not on the ballot. He's running a write-in, like he's entitled to. On that same note, there's something to be said that she has openly claimed that she deserves the office because the Democratic primary typically signals the winner of the general. That's anti-democratic nonsense; primaries don't grant you the office.


Vhak

Amazing how as soon as someone that is further left than moderates are comfortable with gets on the docket the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" chants start fading.


HermanCainGhost

Jacob’s a boomer is against a millennial candidate Walton. Younger candidates tend to be more progressive unless they are Republicans.


mizu_no_oto

Vote blue no matter who makes sense when the alternative is electing a Republican. You're avoiding the spoiler effect and avoiding electing someone like Trump. But no Republican is actually running. Walton is the only candidate on the ballot, and the only serious write-in competition is the incumbent Democrat she primaried - Byron Brown. One of them will win. It's not a matter of Buffalo's Democrats banding together to beat fucking Paladino or someone. This race is literally Primary 2: Primary Harder. So the politics are just as backstabby as a primary usually is.


Maury_Finkle

Ok so it was says hypocritical BS. Brown is literally fundraising from Trump supporters, but I guess he's blue enough for you. I've seen enough and I'll never fall for that vote blue shit again.


fuddyduddyfidley

Both candidates are Democrats. There's no other option - any vote is a blue vote.


BitterBostonian

That's not accurate. The guy this story is about is not running against her. He's the chair of the NY Democratic party. The primary already happened. She will be facing off against a Republican in the general.


mizu_no_oto

There's a single candidate on the ballot - Walton, who won the democratic primary against Brown. Brown is now running a write in campaign. There's a couple other independent write-in candidates that no one has ever heard of. There's essentially no chance that the winner isn't either Brown or Walton.


fuddyduddyfidley

>That's not accurate. The guy this story is about is not running against her. I'm aware, that's also not what the person I responded to was talking about >She will be facing off against a Republican in the general. No she won't, a (serious) Republican isn't running. They didn't qualify to make it onto the ballot. There's a couple of write-in campaigns, but the only one that matters is Brown, the Democratic incumbent. Republicans have backed the incumbent Democrat, since they prefer a moderate to a progressive.


BitterBostonian

>No she won't, a (serious) Republican isn't running. They didn't qualify to make it onto the ballot. There's a couple of write-in campaigns, but the only one that matters is Brown, the Democratic incumbent. Republicans have backed the incumbent Democrat, since they prefer a moderate to a progressive. I was unware no Republican actually made the ballot. I stand corrected.


bamboo_of_pandas

Both candidates are blue so the slogan doesn't really apply.


BitterBostonian

That's not accurate. The guy this story is about is not running against her. He's the chair of the NY Democratic party. The primary already happened. She will be facing off against a Republican in the general.


jimbo_slice829

I mean I would say that most people realized that saying was a crock of shit.


KunnFayyaKunn

Just a heads up, Democrats have gone after India Walton significantly harder than they have gone against Manchin and Sinema. They have literally defended the latter two, while called a black woman who is just slightly left of them a KKK grandwizard. Meanwhile, there are still chuckleheads in this thread defending Democrats.


meatball402

Leadership: Vote for whoever you want in the primaries, but vote blue no matter who in the general *center left person wins primary* Leaderahip: No, not like that


fuddyduddyfidley

Both candidates are Democrats. There's no other option - any vote is a blue vote.


meatball402

>Both candidates are Democrats. So? One lost the primary, not one supported by leadership. Too bad, so sad, but that's the will of the voters. The one who lost is trying to run anyway. How is this anything but a sore loser trying to fuck over the winner? Why is this person comparing the one who won the primary to fucking *David Duke*? They say to support the person who won the primary, but since the person they wanted to win didn't, they can say she's like David Duke?


fuddyduddyfidley

> So? One lost the primary, not one supported by leadership. Too bad, so sad, but that's the will of the voters. > > Nearly 70% of Buffalo voters support Brown. >The one who lost is trying to run anyway. How is this anything but a sore loser trying to fuck over the winner? Because the primary had record low turnout, due to an unprecedented pandemic, and the write-in candidate polls a 30%-40% lead on the Democratic candidate. Walton won the primary, that does not entitle her to run uncontested in the general. She's said the opposite of that though, which is the most ridiculous, entitled, anti-democratic nonsense in the world. >They say to support the person who won the primary, but since the person they wanted to win didn't, they can say she's like David Duke? I didn't say anything about that statement, actually.


BitterBostonian

>Nearly 70% of Buffalo voters support Brown. Then they should have turned out to vote right? >Because the primary had record low turnout, due to an unprecedented pandemic, and the write-in candidate polls a 30%-40% lead on the Democratic candidate. You're claiming that a primary election in June 2021 had low turnout because of the pandemic. You are aware we had an election in November 2020 that had historic turnout, right? You're aware that anyone could have asked for an absentee ballot, just like in 2020, right? >Walton won the primary, that does not entitle her to run uncontested in the general. She's said the opposite of that though, which is the most ridiculous, entitled, anti-democratic nonsense in the world. It absolutely gives her the right to run as the Democratic party's elected nominee. The person she beat in the primary made an effort to run a write-in campaign under the "Buffalo Party" through both a petition and a court challenge, but lost the court challenge. So, according to the voting public of the city of Buffalo, Walton is the nominee. Since the person this article is about is the Chair of the NY Democratic party, he should acknowledge that. He doesn't have to endorse her specifically, but he also shouldn't compare her to David F'in Duke.


fuddyduddyfidley

>Then they should have turned out to vote right? During a pandemic? Probably not, it was unsafe. Luckily, the primary doesn't decide who gets the seat, so they'll get to turn out for the general! >You're claiming that a primary election in June 2021 had low turnout because of the pandemic. Yes, the pandemic isn't over. >You are aware we had an election in November 2020 that had historic turnout, right? Absentee ballots for that election were much easier to get. >You're aware that anyone could have asked for an absentee ballot, just like in 2020, right? Not in New York. >It absolutely gives her the right to run as the Democratic party's elected nominee. That's what she's getting. She's on the ballot, listed as the only Democrat. >The person she beat in the primary made an effort to run a write-in campaign under the "Buffalo Party" through both a petition and a court challenge, but lost the court challenge. No, he ran an effort to be _listed on the ballot_ as the Buffalo Party candidate and lost that effort due to filing deadlines. He _is still_ running a write-in campaign, as is allowed. It's strange to me that, as someone with strong feelings about a New York election, you don't seem to know what a New York ballot looks like. You are aware that basically every candidate runs under the banner of a small third party, such as the Working Families Party (or anything else they want really), as well as the mainstream party, right? It's called a political designation and is completely and utterly normal in New York. >So, according to the voting public of the city of Buffalo, Walton is the nominee. Yup. And her main competition is Byron, who polls at twice what she does. >Since the person this article is about is the Chair of the NY Democratic party, he should acknowledge that. He's not, however, what the comment I was responding to was discussing. >He doesn't have to endorse her specifically, but he also shouldn't compare her to David F'in Duke. Absolutely, he's trash.


BitterBostonian

>During a pandemic? Probably not, it was unsafe. Luckily, the primary doesn't decide who gets the seat, so they'll get to turn out for the general! See below. >Yes, the pandemic isn't over. See below. >Absentee ballots for that election were much easier to get. See below. >Not in New York. To all of your above the answer is the same. YES IN NEW YORK. The process was the exact same. The exact same process that was used in Nov 2020 was used in this election. [https://www.elections.erie.gov/Absentee?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1](https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/4/13/22382216/how-to-get-an-absentee-ballot-new-york-city-june-22-primary) References to the primary election are gone since it's long since passed, but the process is exactly the same, state wide. And since vaccination started in Jan of this year, far more NYers were vaccinated than in Nov 2020. >No, he ran an effort to be listed on the ballot as the Buffalo Party candidate and lost that effort due to filing deadlines. He is still running a write-in campaign, as is allowed. > >It's strange to me that, as someone with strong feelings about a New York election, you don't seem to know what a New York ballot looks like. You are aware that basically every candidate runs under the banner of a small third party, such as the Working Families Party (or anything else they want really), as well as the mainstream party, right? It's called a political designation and is completely and utterly normal in New York. A picture of the actual ballot says otherwise: [https://twitter.com/GeorgeRichert4/status/1438938586292924421?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1438938586292924421%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wivb.com%2Findia-walton-buffalo-mayor%2Ferie-county-boe-formally-certifies-buffalo-mayoral-ballot-without-byron-browns-name%2F](https://twitter.com/GeorgeRichert4/status/1438938586292924421?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1438938586292924421%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wivb.com%2Findia-walton-buffalo-mayor%2Ferie-county-boe-formally-certifies-buffalo-mayoral-ballot-without-byron-browns-name%2F)


fuddyduddyfidley

> To all of your above the answer is the same. YES IN NEW YORK. The process was the exact same. The exact same process that was used in Nov 2020 was used in this election. https://www.elections.erie.gov/Absentee?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 > > References to the primary election are gone since it's long since passed, but the process is exactly the same, state wide. > > And since vaccination started in Jan of this year, far more NYers were vaccinated than in Nov 2020. I stand corrected, despite all the date change fuckery and laws changing (and the fact that you're citing NYC rules for a Buffalo election...), it does appear that you could still request an absentee ballot without a reason in the primary. But there was a lot of misinformation around that, so the confusion makes sense. And it still doesn't change that a primary decides who runs under that party's banner, not who gets the seat. She still needs to run in the general and he's allowed to run a write-in, despite the fact that she openly states that she should get the seat since she won the primary. >A picture of the actual ballot says otherwise Yes, he's not on the ballot. He is running a write-in campaign. That's exactly what I said.


BitterBostonian

> (and the fact that you're citing NYC rules for a Buffalo election...) The link is from Erie county...the county that Buffalo is a part of. >And it still doesn't change that a primary decides who runs under that party's banner, not who gets the seat. She still needs to run in the general and he's allowed to run a write-in, despite the fact that she openly states that she should get the seat since she won the primary. I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing your previous assertion: >You are aware that basically every candidate runs under the banner of a small third party, such as the Working Families Party (or anything else they want really), as well as the mainstream party, right? It's called a political designation and is completely and utterly normal in New York She has no designation other than Democratic party.


fuddyduddyfidley

You're really gonna edit your post and pretend you didn't initially use something else? Come on now, there's no need for that. >She has no designation other than Democratic party. I was talking about him attempting to be designated under the Buffalo Party. I never said anything about Walton running with a designation. But look at the rest of the candidates - they're almost all listed under a mainstream party and a designation.


grimms_portents

Democrats only use Republican tactics like this against Progressives. It's how you punch left apparently. Just say dumb nonsensical shit about them.


swaggman75

I donk know any of those names...


Shr3kk_Wpg

He should resign, an apology is not enough.


ShihPoosRule

Over the top comment comparing Walton to Duke, but if I lived in Buffalo, I would vote for Brown.


SSHeretic

>"This is the malignant narcissism of far too many white men," said Congressman Jamaal Bowman. ~~I want you to imagine, just for a second, that in response to something said or done by a single black person, a white politician said, "This is the [mental illness] of far too many [black] men"~~ Edit: Fine, no pulled punches: This is an inappropriate, racist statement.


TBrutus

>I want you to imagine Nah. Y'all need to start living in the real world for a change.


alpha-turd

I agree. Unless any one wants to hear any of my republiQan uncle's broad sweeping statements about other ethnicities, and thinks that would be ok.


indoninja

> This is an inappropriate, racist statement. If he had said “Too many white people are racist” in response to a racist comparison, would you have a problem with it?


queen_nefertiti33

She's outraged being compared to a racist and then makes a racist statement in her defence? That's a new one.


BitterBostonian

>I should not have to defend why I am not in any way comparable to David Duke, a militant white supremacist and anti-Semite; a man who would celebrate my death. It is mind-boggling that any Democratic party leader would see fit to make such an offensive analogy. Jacobs and many corporate Democrats like him are still refusing to endorse our campaign, despite our primary victory among Democratic voters they are allegedly accountable to. It is clearer than ever that they'd rather uphold the status quo than fight for a bold, progressive vision that works for all Buffalonians. This was her statement. What did she say that's racist in response? David Duke was literally in the KKK, so calling him a white supremacist and anti-Semite is certainly fair game. Edit: quote didn't capture full quote.


queen_nefertiti33

It's right in the caption of the op.


BitterBostonian

>"This is the malignant narcissism of far too many white men," said Congressman Jamaal Bowman. You mean this one? The one that's attributed to LITERALLY NOT THE CANDIDATE? Cool, cool.


queen_nefertiti33

Oh my bad. Was talking about Jamaal but got confused about who said what.


NOTvIadimirPutin

But even then thats not racist


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pkwys

BOO SOCIALISM!! Scared ya


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TBrutus

>Not interested in identity politics >Marxist buddies So, are you sure you know what you're saying here?


pkwys

Keep living in McCarthyism buddy


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indoninja

Wealth redistribution is already happening, and You are getting fucked.


OssiansFolly

So you are forfeiting your social security, tax refunds, grants, and leaving any assets upon death to be destroyed? Can't be redistributing that wealth.


BigDaddyCoolDeisel

In case you wonder how a party whose economic platform polls so well is bleeding in the suburbs and middle America; here we have a sitting US Congressman blaming a ridiculous statement of one man on an entire race and gender.