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"Trump World" is no joke — and it wants to devour American democracy | Trump's inner circle really calls itself "Trump World" now. Don't laugh: It's a sign of growing power and strength

"Trump World" is no joke — and it wants to devour American democracy | Trump's inner circle really calls itself "Trump World" now. Don't laugh: It's a sign of growing power and strength

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hwkns

It is a full blown fascist enterprise nothing less; all the boxes are checked. If we as people allow ourselves to be overrun by what is essentially a small clique controlling over a full third of the population it will take years and God knows what bloody trauma to rid ourselves of them.


max_vapidity

The mainstream media better wake the fuck up to what's going on. I don't think many people understand just how much danger we are in. Everyone loves to laugh off trumps constant stream of lies but this has been a conscious, sinister, and willful effort to do exactly what happened when combined with the state "news" at fox. To confuse their content consumers to do irrational things. They convinced these people to amass guns, hate their neighbors, and even kill themselves through an apathetic pandemic response, all in the name of fealty. I dont want to hear from the reps with the most outrageous hateful behavior, I want to hear from the moderate Republicans who sit back and watch all of this, then stamp their names on everything with glowing approval. Having a loose cannon wouldn't be a problem if it was duly rejected, but the conspiratorial actions by moderate Republicans and the blase mainstream media response to this drives the whole party


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proudbakunkinman

It's hard to tell since he has this somewhat cartoonish persona and look but I doubt he really is dumb. Maybe average intelligence. I think part of that is an act but he did it so much, it's become his natural state. It's effective since it makes the morons in the Republican base think he's one of them and it makes others think he's not *really* a serious threat. But he is definitely surrounded by at least a few evil geniuses like Bannon, Stone, etc. who are likely the real masterminds behind a lot of this stuff and very dangerous.


Rankkikotka

Oh he's dumb alright, but also cunning. Very low cunning. Like Eric Cartman.


baylaust

I don't know how it took this long for me to see a comparison between Trump and Cartman, and I don't like that it makes so much sense.


Rankkikotka

Season 20 & 21, the abusive relationship between Cartman and Heidi Turner is pretty much the one between Trump and his followers. But yeah, while Mr. Garrison might have been the placeholder for Trump in South Park in recent seasons, Cartman's pretty much who he *is*.


joecb91

A mix of Cartman and Joffrey


PsychedelicPourHouse

Plus Frank from Always Sunny Doing another rewatch currently and its crazy how similar they are


tinyhinox

He's not stupid. Thinking he is is dangerous. He's brazen and thinks he will face no consequences. That is very different from stupid.


NonHomogenized

He's brazen, impulsive *and* stupid. Which makes him *more* dangerous, not less.


Banjoplaya420

Sad thing is . He probably won’t ever be actually punished for everything he has done. Including the Capital Riots ! How bout all the lies that caused 500,000 people to die .


tinyhinox

43 killed 500k in Iraq, 45 killed 500k here at home. No consequences as of yet for either!


BeckyMiller815

He is a psychopath, which is really not an unusual trait in world leaders. The book “Political Ponerology”, while a hard slog of a read, addresses this very well. Anyone truly interested in politics should at least try to read that book.


lapsedhuman

“Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.” ― Douglas Adams


SpaceJesusIsHere

> The mainstream media better wake the fuck up to what's going on. At&t owns CNN, TimeWarner owns MSNBC, Satan own Fox News and the WSJ, and Dr. Evil owns the Washington Post. Corporate America *is* the main stream news and they have no objections to fascism whatsoever. Help isn't coming from news read to us by millionaires employed by billionaires.


house_of_snark

AT&T also funds most of OAN I believe.


B01SSIN

Who owns BBC? Curious


birdinthebush74

British people , we pay a monthly licence fee of £12


Fredex8

It's a [statutory corporation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_corporation) created by the government under royal charter but it operates as an independent company (mostly) free from government interference. Parliament sets the license fee amount and has a role in appointing the chairman of the BBC. >[The chairman is formally appointed by the Queen-in-Council, on the advice of the Secretary of State for a four-year term. The current Chairman is Richard Sharp, who succeeded Sir David Clementi in February 2021.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chairman_of_the_BBC) This setup could potentially mean that the government, were they so inclined, could dissolve or defund the BBC. For instance lowering license fees to the point where they can't actually operate anymore. Although doing so would be to go against the royal charter so it probably isn't going to happen without some kind of totalitarian government coming along that forcefully dissolves the monarchy too. Or I guess Prince Charles could become king, go crazy and just start doing weird shit... It is primarily funded by television licensing fees which it collects itself via its own collection agency company. The money is passed to a government department and distributed back to the BBC so it's not like they are just functioning like a private company but it also isn't the same as a state controlled one as the state doesn't dictate programming or their operations. Other funding comes from selling BBC content to other channels and services like Netflix, foreign networks or selling DVDs. The licensing fee thing started off as just a basic tax on TV ownership in order to fund programming and broadcasting infrastructure but it's become a bit... sketchy recently to keep up with technology. It now applies to basically anything capable of watching content, regardless of whether it is from the BBC. >The law says you need to be covered by a TV Licence to: >watch or record programmes as they’re being shown on TV, on any channel >watch or stream programmes live on an online TV service (such as ITV Hub, All 4, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV, Sky Go, etc.) >download or watch any BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer. >This applies to any device you use, including a TV, desktop computer, laptop, mobile phone, tablet, games console, digital box or DVD/VHS recorder. https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/telling-us-you-dont-need-a-tv-licence So it's kind of just a mandatory technology tax that you can't avoid unless you want to live like a caveman. If you tell them you don't need a license they may visit your address to check and if you don't pay you are fined. >If you tell us you don’t need a licence, we may confirm this with a visit to your address. This is because when we visit and make contact, we find one in eight people* that tell us they don't need a TV Licence actually do need one. If you are not licensed, you risk prosecution and a fine of up to £1,000** plus any legal costs and/or compensation you may be ordered to pay. It used to be simple to detect old CRT sets with vans that drove around with detection equipment to check for unlicensed sets but that doesn't work anymore so things have got a bit weird as technology has improved. They mostly operate on scare tactics by sending threatening letters. If you've ever been in student accommodation in the UK or moved into a house that has been vacant for a while you'll have seen the ridiculously threatening 'final notice: you need to get a TV license' letters they send to 'the occupant' which sound like something from a debt collection agency full of thugs. Purely based on the fact that someone at the address previously had a licence so therefore you must need one too. That was back when it only applied to TVs, we didn't actually have one at the time and students were covered on their parents license anyway. I knew we didn't need one and that there was no chance anyone was going to knock on the door and try to enforce anything even if that's how the letters read. The letters were coming every month though, getting progressively more aggressive. These threatening tactics scared flatmates into getting a license when they did buy a TV, despite it only being used for DVDs and despite them already being covered via their parents. I think the foreign students in the flat with limited English shelled out on their own too. I don't like the way they do it and I think that much should change but as the result gets us the BBC I can tolerate it. Besides from their usually good programming content I think it is important to have an independent, unbiased news source that will routinely call the government out on their bullshit. I'd say that having that is essential to having a functioning democracy and if you're only relying on billionaires and corporations to run news channels and uphold free speech and freedom of the press that is a slippery slope. What does piss me off however is that we often have worse access to BBC content than those in other countries. I recall the Sherlock series for instance took years to come to UK Netflix and still only had the first two seasons on there when US Netflix released season 4. BBC iplayer has a tendency to only make content available for a limited time so there wasn't actually a place to stream it in UK for a while despite our TV licensing paying for the show to be made. When I was in Austria watching Netflix I discovered a tonne of BBC shows on there I hadn't seen in years as they were never available on iplayer or Netflix and I'd forgotten about them. Clips from BBC shows on youtube will often be region blocked in the UK on copyright grounds (whilst failing to provide anywhere to watch it legally) yet unblocked with a US VPN. The BBC has recently started making older content available via a 'Britbox' subscription channel on Amazon which gives them even less incentive to put older content on iplayer. Personally I think that if we are paying for the content via what amounts to a total technology tax it should always be available free in the UK and iplayer should function as a complete repository of all BBC content.


B01SSIN

A wealth of information, thank you!


Fredex8

No problem. I already had most of it written up from an idiotic argument I got into with a Trump supporter a while back who was trying to say the BBC was just like China's state sponsored propaganda. So I had the information to hand already.


B01SSIN

That sucks, hopefully some information was absorbed with the trump supporter. The Socratic method (also known as method of Elenchus, elenctic method, or Socratic debate) has been lost and I feel we are drifting into people just stop asking the questions and get comfortable with what they are told.


Catshit-Dogfart

Anytime I'm (unwillingly) subjected to fox news, all I hear is "hate each other" repeated over and over again. Okay, that has an effect on a person, and at scale a society.


asafum

It is the 1984 2 minutes hate, but 24/7...


Ridry

> I want to hear from the moderate Republicans who sit back and watch all of this, then stamp their names on everything with glowing approval. The banality of evil. This is why Harry Potter fans hate Umbridge more than Voldemort. A cartoon villain (Trump) is one thing, people get that. Some people are just born wrong. But normal people saying "Eh, it's ok as long as it's not hurting me".... those people are scary AF.


TheBirminghamBear

Because we all know an Umbridge. I guarantee it. We all know that person who's just an utterly mundane, selfish, fascist asshole. And those people are kept in check by a society and laws that prevent them from really letting their awful loose. But we all know that those people out there - bosses and colleagues and even family members - we all know that in a fascist world, those people would *embrace* it. Just like Umbridge does.


HorseFightingLeague

> The mainstream media better wake the fuck up to what's going on. They are awake, they don't care because they will see their profits rise no matter what outcome.


Skiinz19

if the profits are the same regardless of outcome and choose to back fascism then wtf


HorseFightingLeague

> choose to back fascism then wtf Fascism gives you power, and fascism will winnow down the media to 1-3 large conglomerates that own all media.


passinghere

Which is exactly what we have here in the UK, loads of supposedly different media, yet all owned by a very small group of right wing billionaires that dictate what the general public gets to believe


HorseFightingLeague

> yet all owned by a very small group of right wing billionaires that dictate what the general public gets to believe You've hit the source of the problem, and quite honestly the vast majority of the world's problems, on the head.


Staggerlee89

Late stage capitalism in action


__erk

The media doesn’t give a fuck about democracy, or what’s left of it anyway. The chaos benefits them until it doesn’t.


pasarina

Sure looks like MSNBC is giving a heads up about the danger and the potential demise of democracy owed to the Republican fascist wannabe in Florida who is not in power but is controlling the Republican puppets that are in power as if he is in power.


This-is-human-bot556

I think the left needs to realize like it or not these people are willing to kill to see him back in power and will eventually go for the throat


StaunchBleachUpside

I have been saying this since 2016. We are witnessing a far right populist dictatorship being formed. We are about a year and a half away from them stealing two branches and in 2024 they will usher in true minority party autocratic rule. With Donald Trump as fucking dictator.


anal_gland_expressor

It's such an American story, it practically writes itself.


This-is-human-bot556

Me too my family at least a 1/3 of them are Q followers. I don’t doubt that while the democrats play the appeasement game. Part of me blames biden for it although it’s not a die on hill feeling it’s just I think he could of done more by following through on it.


StaunchBleachUpside

The pathetic failure of Democrats to act leaves us with little choice but to protect our system of governance outside the constraints of the normal political process. The institutions won't save us. The politicians are worthless. Nobody will save our country but we the people.


This-is-human-bot556

Facts and I think it’s already at that point because the delusion these people live in. I had a co worker go on a 30min rant about how god choose trump to save us from the satanist and these are the end times what made it worse is he gave this rant to everyone and no one thought he was crazy


asafum

Yes, god chose someone who can't even hold the Bible upright, who married multiple times, who disparages the poor, and who worships money over all. Yep. Christlike is exactly what I think of when I hear Trump.


This-is-human-bot556

I think what really bothers me is how similar that mind set is to the people that shot at me in Afghanistan some of them we knew did it for money others for what they saw as god illiteracy and blind faith are how people like trump get into power


This-is-human-bot556

It’s that tie in that god gives wealth uhhh the prosperity gospel I think it’s called


ArnoidTheAnnihilator

But are they willing to die for it? It took one bullet on January 6th to stop a lot of them in their tracks.


This-is-human-bot556

I know at least 3 that are from my time in the army they think that socialism is a threat and trumps here to save us. And galvanized them


Tiiimmmaayy

That’s why they refer to anyone against trump as “socialists” and “communists.”


This-is-human-bot556

2 of them don’t talk to me anymore after arguments where I pointed out they are the only ones that want a war. As well yeah facts they don’t even know what socialism is. They both live on disability from the army lol


techmaster242

"Oh great, real bullets!"


__erk

I think the left realized it years ago. It’s the moderates who don’t seem to mind the slide into fascism.


This-is-human-bot556

Maybe I know I was blind to it up until like a few years ago but I also have super right family and friends. Also most “”moderates”” I meet are just to afraid to call themselves republicans


codexcdm

Reminder: [Slow Moving Coup](https://youtu.be/7cR4fXcsu9w) is still moving.


brokeassloser

While you're writing this, Steve Bannon is still a free man


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aintnochallahbackgrl

Whose side do you think they're on?


LeX420

Who are the snipers shooting at?


bobby_author_4057

Keep in mind it's "Trump World" rather than "Donald Trump World". He's trying to install his dynastic oligarchy


suzisatsuma

More focus on connecting with voters and less twitter dunking then?


coniunctio

> If we as people allow ourselves to be overrun by what is essentially a small clique controlling over a full third of the population it will take years and God knows what bloody trauma to rid ourselves of them. The hour is getting late. We have Trump supporters all over the country driving around with nooses and black flags and threatening to kill democrats and liberals. They are taking marching orders from crazy people who want to destroy the US. It’s past time to go after the high level billionaires who are funding this nonsense; start taking AT&T, the Kochs, the Murdochs, the Mercers, and all the right wing foundations behind this to task. They are the ones behind it and nobody is doing anything to stop them. We are allowing billionaires to silently radicalize millions of Americans and to promote anti-democratic behavior throughout society. There haven’t been any repercussions or consequences for their actions, and they’ve gotten away with everything. The Kochs made their money supporting Stalin and Hitler. The Mercers made their money through financial deregulation and income inequality. The Olins and the Bradley’s made their money through guns and armament production, and making sure America was in a permanent state of war to keep them rich. Behind every major right wing foundation is a boatload of cash that they robbed from society in some way or another. How long is this going to keep going on?


crypticthree

Fascists are always dangerous and absurd in equal measure.


hobbes64

Just look at old recordings from Mussolini or Hitler. They seem like a total joke with their yelling and wild gestures and victim mentality. Just like Trump. But they were all compelling to authoritarian followers and created a reality distortion field within their group.


walter1950

Trump wants to rule like Putin, end of story.


-Alarak

I think he wants to be more like Hitler: [Donald Trump's ex-wife once said Trump kept a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed](https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8)


jawa709

I'm perpetually surprised that this isn't talked about more.


tsrich

I'm perpetually surprised Trump would ever read any book


-Alarak

He's not as stupid as he acts on TV. We should not underestimate him. He is extremely dangerous.


yourmansconnect

Even off screen we hear his excerpts and cold mics. He’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer either


-Alarak

He's smart enough to read and understand Hitler's writings, and use them in his political career with great success. His 2015/2016 campaign was a textbook Hitler campaign and it worked.


FedGoat13

Lol yes he is that stupid


Mybodydifferent12

Wow


abolish_karma

Hitler didn't go ahead and roll those dice just for funsies. He had painted the country into a corner and HAD to go to war or get kicked to the curb himself. https://youtu.be/PQGMjDQ-TJ8 Between US economy getting re-aquainted with cold hard reality after a decade and a half of never-ending QE, and the upcoming climate change and questions about super power status, fascism and possibly a real war could look like the least bad option. It could even seem a little bit tempting to people who's used to better days, and feel like they deserve to have just that.


TheRealcebuckets

Heh “painted”. What an appropriate term for Hitler.


-Alarak

War is never a "least bad" option. It's the worst possible option.


Master_Lime3117

People thought Hitler was a joke too...until they didn't.


ssbmhero

Yep. The nazis with their Hugo boss and cool weapons have been able to paint themselves as these like smart competent figures. Mostly honestly by media who use them as stock villians. But in reality they were fucking clowns who everyone thought was a funny joke until they started invading places.


CQU617

Many people are aware of this and keep ringing that bell so people understand that he does not want to be a POTUS he wants to be an Orange 🍊 Putin.


ssbmhero

It’s really frustrating talking to people who always think it’s an exaggeration even though they continue to be proven wrong. Like oh he wouldn’t try anything like 1/6. Well he did. I do know some like older conservatives who are kinda just like “I don’t like taxes” as their main issue. And SOME of them I saw realized on 1/6 like “holy shit maybe I was wrong about this guy” But it’s pathetically small. I always remember that even after ww2. With Germany in literal ruins from a destructive war brought upon them by the nazis. That still about 1/3 of the population thought that Hitler was a good politician and a good leader. They thought that the nazis had good ideas, but perhaps the war got a little out of hand. It’s sad but literally nothing will make it so that some people will admit they are wrong. Like imagine being pro nazi in 1946 Germany…. It’s mind blowing.


Catshit-Dogfart

I know one republican who was never on board with Trump, feels disillusioned by his own party. He's somebody I can disagree with and still respect him and his opinion. Just one though, every other republican I know watched the 1/6 events saying "fuck yeah, smear shit on the walls and burn it down"


RunAsArdvark

Reichstag 2


CaptainNoBoat

>Yes, Trump World has interesting and bizarre characters: a mattress salesman, a former mayor of America's largest city who has hair-dye issues, a Nosferatu-like white supremacist, a drunken would-be Renaissance man and various other hucksters, henchmen and rejects from the Republican Party's "land of broken toys" who are now Trump's agents of chaos and perfidy. Trump's pathetic saga over the years gives me a recurring, terrifying thought: What if the next Republican demagogue is actually competent?


canuck47

A competent Republican? “When Republicans send their people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with them. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some (but not many), I assume, are good people”


Euclid_Jr

Tom Cotton is the name I hear trotted out most frequently when 'competent' fascists trope is brought up. The Q-anon gang are a sideshow and pull in the willing rubes along for the ride.


duckofdeath87

He isn't going to be a problem. He had to blackmail the Democrat to even win reelection. He is probably one of the smarter ones, but he has negative charisma. No one likes really him. He will never have a dangerously loyal inner circle. The news can't even get his state right


etrain828

That’s my biggest fear. It’s the next generation (and younger) of stronger, more savvy, more competent nut jobs who can pull this off. The Madison Cawthorns and Josh Hawleys…


EpicVOForYourComment

> Madison Cawthorn I'ma letchu finish but Cawthorn has an IQ of six. He's neither savvy nor competent. He's barely smart enough to know how to blink and swallow.


ArnoidTheAnnihilator

The dude can't spell his own name. Boebert, Green, and Gaetz aren't much better.


ssbmhero

Gaetz is a much smarter operator than the others. On “who is America” he was at least smart enough to recognize that supporting giving kindergartners military training was a troll, I think green and Boebery would have signed up for that. And now that gaetz is a pedofile he is eligible to run for the Republican ticket.


ArnoidTheAnnihilator

You're right, including him in the room temperature IQ club was a bit of a stretch.


ssbmhero

It’s all semantics. He is just as much of a piece of shit.


etrain828

A rock bottom IQ has never stopped a republican before!


DeusEx-Machinist

My manager is in his early 20's and just recently tried telling me that flying a Nazi flag should be okay, even having Nazi beliefs is fine, because we should respect all opinions. That's the shit getting pushed in Florida at least.


jawa709

That's the problem with a withering education system. There's a frightening number of Americans with very little, if any, understanding of history. These are lessons the nation/world has learned the hard way already, but so many nowadays either forgot or never learned about it. (And to many of those ignorant fools are running shit now.)


jsamuraij

There's a withering number of Americans with an understanding of damn near anything beyond a vague sense of entitlement, a desire for Purpose, and a deep anger with some faceless Other who they feel definitely owes them something. To unleash a dammed up torrent of weaponized ignorance and and to cause a tragedy of historic proportions, all that's needed is for somebody charismatic and "strong" to confidently point a finger for them. I hope this is the chapter in history that bucks the trend by ending with "...and then they all got educated and elected representatives who act in their interest, The End" but...I've studied History.


ssbmhero

Did some teacher there basically say this? That like they needed to allow both sides of the Holocaust “debate” to be brought up in class.


DeusEx-Machinist

I thought that was in Texas but it just as easily could have been here.


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creosoteflower

Wait til the residents of "Trump World" discover that Trump World actually has a population of just one.


ComprehensiveHavoc

Talentless grifter world, isn’t that where the Republicans always lived?


tjs130

Those of us that actually understood history knew that this was the inevitable conclusion of all of this 5 years ago, and it needed to be stopped then. It is far, FAR too late now, and regardless of what anyone else does, further painful violence from trump supporters is guaranteed. The only question is whether or not they also end democracy in the process. We need to drop the hammer on every single person involved in the insurrection, as well as all of the people currently threatening or advocating the overthrow of the us by force with the full extent of the law, without being afraid of who's feelings it will hurt or how terrorists might attack because of it.


-Alarak

Attorney General Garland is treating them like a joke instead of treating them like the major threat to national security that they are. Fuck Garland. He needs to be fired for letting all these powerful criminals get away with crime after crime for such a long time.


crimsonhues

This is all scary. What’s troubling is complete apathy from “don’t bother me with politics” or “both parties suck” folks.


Cimmerian_Barbarian

'trump world' doesn't have the numbers. Period. The only way trump wins is by cheating and sowing doubt in U.S. elections as he has done. Keep up the good fight!


seanyseanerson

You don't need a majority for a coup. You can take down a country with a thousand people if they're the right people and they all believe the same thing.


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KingoftheWildlings

I’ll have what this guys smoking


muhguhwuh

This won’t end until the money avenues are cut off. For fucks sake, ATT is practically solely funding OAN. Fascism has always been funded by wealthy benefactors. Cut off the supply.


CrimsonBolt33

The thing I still can't figure out.... ​ Trump is very old....why back him so fervently? I am guessing it's because they want to prop Trump up as the main target while they enact the real horrors and/or swoop in once he is gone and just say "hey I didn't make the system, this is just the way it is!" ​ Reminds me of The Sopranos...where Tony lets Junior call himself the boss while Tony is the one giving out the orders...and then when the FBI came knocking, Junior got arrested...not Tony.


Idontknowthatmuch

We could be on the cusp of the fall of the United States Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there--on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam. The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. Carl Sagan


conduitfour

Also the Demon Haunted World quote I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness... The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance. I've read Dragons of Eden but I haven't gotten around to this one yet


Plow_King

their power is growing? so, like more than when they ran the white house less than a year ago?!? holy shit. keep these fuckers out. shouldn't be that hard america. [We Can Do It!](https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/default/print/6/8/break/images/artworkimages/medium/3/we-can-do-it-rosie-the-riveter-poster-vintage-treasure.jpg)


bhellbus

If Americans have proven anything in the last 10 years it that somehow we keep finding another new low. So don't get too hopeful. Especially since fighting this type of thing would mean supporters of the Democrats should get off their ass and actually push their party to do better.


ventodivino

Aggressive redistricting going on to create more Republican dominant districts. Changing voting laws to make it more difficult to vote. Deliberate misinformation to confuse and inflame electorate.


jawa709

Democrats keep bringing slingshots to the gun fight, meanwhile Republicans have openly declared war.


AzuredreamsTX

Isn’t this fucker like 80 years old?


kuwabara_has_a_sword

Yeah, but he never exercised, so he has plenty of life energy stored up for at least the next few decades.


tcuroadster

Correct (he’s close) and Those Big Macs might do the job between now and then


AfternoonTeaWithMrB

We’ve got over two years for Ronald McDonald to collect his nuggets.


tcuroadster

Hamburglar gunna need his cut too


honk_for

They need to be all disenfranchised for betrayal of American values.


PM_ME_YOUR_ROTES

Well, it's a joke like fascists dressed up as circus clowns is a joke. It's absurd yet downright horrifying.


bhellbus

And extremely real especially when the circus comes to a town near you.


EquinoxxAngel

They’ve already won. The writing is on the wall: Republican run states will refuse to recognize elections results that they don’t like. 2020 was testing the waters, 2022 will be the first wide spread application of the new tactic, and 2024 will be full implementation. Biden will be the last Democratic President, and this country is seriously fucked.


snklkjnqqe

Not a ringing call to action. We all need to get out the vote and turn over these states in 2022. I hope the national churn and migration due to covid and work from home will change the dynamic. A large number of people where I work have relocated to places with lower property values. These places are all red.


EquinoxxAngel

Good point. Let’s hope!


Junkstar

The great exodus from our big cities is a wild card for sure. And it was created by trumps inefficient handling of the pandemic.


Lucky-Carrot

Everyone I know who moved really out of a metro is starting to return to their former or nearby cities or at least talk about it. I do think that the more common hybrid options will probably extend blue areas into surrounding counties in a lot of metros


Junkstar

I know a handful who have no plan to come back here. It’s surprising TBH.


Lucky-Carrot

Most likely it means they are going to look locally and give up when they can’t make the kind of scratch full time remote (which is possible to do in the right company but hard for traditional city based fields )


gizzardgullet

> Biden will be the last Democratic President No, the last President of the US as we know it. The union would crumble if GOP controlled states chose to withdraw from the electoral process. But I sort of don't think we are there yet. Here in MI our GOP is Trumpy but they still have no desire to let national politics dictate what happens in MI. This might change though - that GOP leadership might be forced out and replaced by Trump operatives over time.


Malcolm_Morin

Biden will be the last President, period. Guarantee the Republicans will try to convert the US into a Monarchy, with Trump or someone worse as the first King, all while claiming they're doing this in the name of the Founding Fathers. While ignoring the fact that George Washington refused the offer to be King, because they literally just had a war over the subject. America is walking right into a Nightmare Scenario.


IveBeenCanceledAgain

> Biden will be the last ~~Democratic~~ President elected in a free and fair election, FTFY


brainhack3r

Cut it out with this defeatist nonsense. The only way they will win is if we give up


ThatchGoose10

Gonna leave your state flair alone because the rules dictate it, but, it didn't work in the 2020 "testing ground", it's not going to work in 2022, it won't work in 2024.


EquinoxxAngel

Also, I’ll be the last to defend my state. I’ll be moving out of this hell hole at my first opportunity.


bhellbus

Take me with you, please.


EquinoxxAngel

Let’s go! We’re headed north to a Blue state that has actual changes of season, LOL


bhellbus

Sadly I just moved here not long ago due to my partner. My original state is shifting blue but is stupidly expensive to live in.


EquinoxxAngel

I like your confidence. I hope it isn’t misplaced. I think our democracy is extremely fragile right now, and the Repubs controlling most of the state houses and redistricting means we are in for some bad times.


zappy487

Yes in their shit hole states. What's to stop NY and CA from just not giving any federal money. Passing laws to pool all federal funds and make it illegal for the federal government to go after people while they're in-state. It wouldn't matter if the SC decided it was unconstitutional. If rule of law doesn't matter neither will their ruling.


tebyen2

> it didn't work in the 2020 "testing ground" There's new laws in place now that weren't around in 2020. Like Ga's law that allows the republican state legislature to overturn any election where they suspect voter fraud.


interfail

They're making sure it won't be stopped in 2024 the same way it was in 2020. Will that mean it won't get stopped at all, or just that it'll fall elsewhere? Who knows. But there's a powerful, insidious plan to weaken the system until it breaks.


IGDetail

This is exactly why people need to constantly exercise their democratic right to vote. If we allow fascists entry, they will enter and change the rules to protect fascism. Protecting democracy is a constant, ongoing battle.


puroloco

Will the US military be part of Trump world? Find out soon!


SNStains

No.


Falcon3492

Trump World is truly a cult just like Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple was a cult. Both leaders were and are mentally ill in so many ways and we need to put an end to Trump World before it ends in a similar fashion with Trumps crazy minions killing non believers and then swilling and drinking the Kool Aid.


TheSavageDonut

I watched Chris Cuomo last night, and he was interviewing/debating Dan Scarvino's attorney. The thing that struck me was that the lawyer kept referring to Trump as "the president" not "former president", and it was really weird to watch. Chris never corrected him, which was strange, as I wonder if this lawyer would actually refer to Trump as "former president Trump" or "the ex-president" on camera (for fear that Trump was watching?)


dont-touch-that-

We should laugh at these clowns, don’t give it power by fearing anything Trump related


YetisInAtlanta

One caveat is that we 1000% have to take them seriously. Laugh in their faces the whole time, but 1000% trust that they have very evil intentions for every single person that isn’t in their inner circle and treat the threat as such


Visible_Explanation1

As if this wasn’t Biff Tannen enough for everyone yet.


RightTrash

"Imbecile World" indeed.


Thirstyass73

FWIW Trumps world has been nothing short of one failure after another.


Gaius_Octavius_

It is a sign of delusion


StorminsDottir

I'm thinking that the movie 'Get Out' should be re-done about Americans needing to get out of the US before we turn into a fascist oligarchical dictatorship with that orange menace at the helm.


boot2skull

The new world odor.


xeno66morph

Trump World eh, is that like Disney World but everything is a lesson in greed, lies, sexual assault and worker abuse? ..so exactly like Disney World I guess?


MBAMBA3

They all know its really Putin who is in control but they have to go along with the Trump branding because the key to Putin's control over him is his pathological narcissism.


realworldeditor

The cult is finally calling themselves a cult.


Kaoulombre

Title like that are actually empowering them Stop giving them attention, they crave it Crush them by education instead


schmitzNgiggles

This sounds like an amusement park that I am not interested in visiting. A depression park if you will.


DeFex

Is trump world flat?


Optimal_Ear_4240

Prosecute the traitor. He belongs in prison with his family. Hideous rip off of the American people …all of us. It’s free speech that lets us express ourselves. This one! Sicko.


CA_catwhispurr

This is scary but we still have time to stop America from becoming a fascist nation.


crudedrawer

No one is laughing.


hopeandanchor

No one from "Trump World" has had to face any consequences for any of the bullshit they did. Why wouldn't they be growing in power?


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I will laugh because it’s funny


bane_undone

Me and my fellow Americans will do everything in our power to prevent this.


Hills1849

Does anyone have a plan of exit? And what is it? Looking for guidance Serious question/answers please.


sandysea420

Everyday we get closer and closer to loosing our Democracy.


nki370

The USA is doomed. It’s just a question of how soon. When somewhere around 30%+ of your citizenry won’t accept a free vaccine that is a miracle of modern medicine….you do not have a sane or healthy public. People are dying by the tens off thousands to prove their devotion to Trump. Half the news/infotainment in this country broadcast on slavish devotion to him 24/7. We’re fucked


GreenStoneRidge

Donald trump is the best thing that ever happened to American media. Free story every single day and lots of clicks. You want to decrease trumps power, stop giving him all your attention every freaking day. Let's write about something else for a minute.


JokerJangles123

Love this argument. You think any of the people reading these posts are the ones voting for him? We aren't keeping him relevant, the GQP continuing to prop him up as their dear leader are. Whether you like it or not, we're along for the ride until they abandon him


noparkingafter7pm

Yeah, maybe he won’t try to overthrow the government again if you don’t read about him.


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futuriztic

Its coming folks. The corruption is too deep. Dems couldnt get anything done because corporate money bought enough politicians. Change couldnt be achieved through the current system, so now we get to experience trump fascism next. Just hope it collapses under the weight of its incompetence quickly


mike_corp

Who writes this shit?


Diarygirl

No, I think I'm going to laugh.


soline

It’s a sign of a mass delusional disorder.


Vigorously_Swish

I disagree. Laugh at them.


cruelandusual

No, I'm going to keep laughing at them. I'll still be laughing at them while we're trading gunfire in the civil war they're going to start. Don't be such a pussy, random Salon clickbait blogger.


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demiloaf37

Probably because my neighbor who cleans his guns in the driveway still has his Trump 2020 sign up.


BlueMonkOne

Too late. I laughed out loud.


PineconeFactory

I hate these clowns


Ghoulius-Caesar

Trump World is a good name for it since they live in a different reality.


Zeus_Apollyon

Trump is still trying to cling on to hope. Sad. Just very sad.


keninsd

Imagine where our country would be if these domestic terrorists were competent.


IMeanIGuessDude

American flags on an American facility versus Trump flags on an American facility. That pic speaks a thousand words and more.


HorrorScopeZ

It's real that is his tactic here, think it into existence.


aceratv6

The system in general is a fucking joke