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'Traitors': Dem Lawmakers Call for Removal of Republicans Reportedly Involved in 1/6

'Traitors': Dem Lawmakers Call for Removal of Republicans Reportedly Involved in 1/6

  • By - UWCG

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PepeBabinski

This goes beyond just their removal. This should be a criminal prosecution and the DOJ should be bringing charges against them. Failing to do so will embolden them to try again.


[deleted]

You know you’re entering strange waters when the state can’t even be arsed to muster a good old fashioned repression to protect itself


st00ji

Help help! I'm being repressed!


robertplantspage

*coconut sounds intensify*


st00ji

Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?!


Long_Before_Sunrise

No, it's the swallows that migrate. The coconuts just go along for the ride.


the123king-reddit

African or European?


KOOCING

Come and see the violence inherant in the system :(


BurstTheBubbles

This was a terrorist attack. The entire GOP needs to be labeled a terrorist organization, and we need to enforce every law about funding terrorist organizations. Hit them where it hurts, jail the members and the donors.


filbertsnuts

Labelling all of the GOP as terrorists would be problematic as most republicans are either not terrorists or would be the ones enforcing this law. How about we just call those who broke the law criminals rather than everyone in the party?


sjbennett85

The best part it the % of votes needed to take this sort of action, which is defined in the articles of incorporation, requires more support than any one party has. So naturally this is a loophole to be exploited and NOT a call to cross the aisle in solidarity for democracy, right?


buttpincher

Yes moderate right leaning AG Merrick Garland is gonna get right on that... Heres me holding my breath 💨


comrade421

Remember, Garland was the compromise. The most important position in the administration went to a fucking legacy pick who was a fucking comprimise to boot.


Cloaked42m

I lean right, and have no idea why cabinet/appointment picks aren't just going to whoever Biden wants. Like, why the hell is that guy DeJoy still in charge at USPS?


Seance-Fiction

Because the people who preside over DeJoys position are voted in and have to be voted out before he can go. The board of governors has like 6 Trump picks. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-08-17/usps-how-long-will-biden-keep-dejoy-as-postmaster-general


Cloaked42m

That's good info, thank you. >Unless Biden wants to try removing governors for cause, he can replace them only when their seven-year terms end or they step aside prematurely. Those rules are meant to protect the Postal Service from partisan meddling and generally make it hard for presidents to reshape it without waging political battles. edit: >The Postal Service loses billions of dollars annually, and DeJoy’s master plan calls for shoring up its finances by cutting back post office hours and raising rates. He wants Congress to allow postal workers to enroll in Medicare, which would ease pre-funding mandates the service must meet for employees’ health-care coverage. And he wants **a review of pre-funding requirements for workers’ pensions**, another cause of longstanding financial pain for the service. If he can get that bit taken care of, we may . . . may . . . allow him to live. Perhaps even grace him with a cookie.


Farm2Table

Because the head of the USPS is not a cabinet position, and does not serve at the pleasure of the President. Biden does not control the mechanism to remove Decoy. Educate yourself.


Cloaked42m

>The PMG is selected and appointed by the Board of Governors of the Postal Service, the members of which are appointed by the president of the United States, with the advice and consent of the United States Senate. The postmaster general then also sits on the board. Seems like serving at the pleasure of the President with extra steps. So Biden COULD take steps to stack the Board with his people, who could then appoint a new Postmaster General. Thanks for the recommendation that I educate myself. I know now exactly how the Postmaster General is appointed and that he can in fact be removed by Biden (by proxy).


KaiMolan

Wait until you learn that Biden can reschedule cannabis and end the War on Drugs through a similar process. Hell, Obama could have as well. The more you learn, the more you realize just how many levers really are at the Democrats finger tips, and they refuse to pull them. Yet at the same time somehow helpless to stop Republicans from pulling those same levers. Just theater for the masses. Like always.


comrade421

on purpose or laziness. pick your choice. It doesn't look good does it? edit: on behalf of people who shill for biden, cause this was like issue #1


Cloaked42m

I've just about given up on him being a decent president. I think the best we can hope for is a single term 'quiet' president. It's a rebuilding term. If the DNC had a lick of damn sense they would have already picked a handful of possible candidates and would be grooming them to run in 2024.


TomThanosBrady

Good luck. Our government is useless when it comes to holding these people accountable.


TheLeafyOne2

This was over the moment Garland was appointed AG. We need to quit wasting our breath on this because this is exactly what you all voted for. Instead, our time would be better spent prepping for the next attempt and backing Democrats or other candidates who have a sober view of our current situation.


anotherdaylol

Will never happen. Pelosi is too chickenshit to send them where they belong.


fellowuscitizen

Source: (Rolling Stone) “Along with Greene, the conspiratorial pro-Trump Republican from Georgia who took office earlier this year, the pair both say the members who participated in these conversations or had top staffers join in included Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas.)


CaptainAxiomatic

The usual reprobates.


-Sticks_and_Stones-

Boebert tweeted "Today is 1776" on the morning of the insurrection - this is not surprising at all.


Phorqe

She just doesn’t know what the date is! Perfectly reasonable for elected officials to not know stuff like the date.


skrame

She meant to write “Today is 1/6”, but accidentally double-tapped 77 because it sort of looks like the slash. Common mistake.


Kierik

In her defense she thought she was going to be on the winning side and when trump sends his insurrectionist he isn't sending his best but gravy team six.


justclay

Is that a combination of the Gravy Seals and Meal Team Six?


Ares32

The gravy is poured over the meal.


Long_Before_Sunrise

He got what he paid for.


Spacebotzero

Right? Go figure that it's the most obnoxious of GOP Members...


ArnoidTheAnnihilator

I'm kind of surprised Gaetz wasn't in there.


CaptainAxiomatic

He went to Wal-mart. This week they've got girls' pants half off.


Ohyeahthisisnuts

Nice


W_Anderson

Gaetz thought that meant half his job was done.


Drugsarefordrugs

Especially since he was shopping in the juniors section


Glabstaxks

Is this surprising to any decent human ?


GabuEx

If you came to me on January 6 and told me that those particular people were involved in planning the event, my response probably would've been, "yeah, I can see that".


Sam__Treadwell

Oddly, I haven't seen our old friend Gym Jordan in that list but then he and Gaetz belong in prison for other reasons and not in Congress


SenatorMittens

I guess Matt Gaetz had his hands too full enriching the lives of Florida's Youth to be part of this.


White_Mlungu_Capital

The media is doing more than the FBI going after these criminals.


UWCG

>Along with Greene, the conspiratorial pro-Trump Republican from Georgia who took office earlier this year, the pair both say the members who participated in these conversations or had top staffers join in included Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas). ... >And Gosar, who has been one of the most prominent defenders of the Jan. 6 rioters, allegedly took things a step further. Both sources say he dangled the possibility of a “blanket pardon” in an unrelated ongoing investigation to encourage them to plan the protests. [Holy shit, this is a pretty big bombshell](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/exclusive-jan-6-organizers-met-congress-white-house-1245289/)


PepeBabinski

Gosar is the one who has been downplaying the insurrection as a peaceful protest or just another tourist day. Of course because he’s criminally liable for his actions.


Spacebotzero

No megathread yet. Headlines should just straight up say that GOP members helped plan the Jan 6th insurrection


SpektrumKid

well they did


GOPutinKildDemocracy

Nothing will happen because democrats are a bunch of pussies. Republicans are immune to punishment because that might be "political"


mhb-210

You need a 2/3 vote in order to expel a member of Congress. Dems don’t have that many, so they need Republican cooperation for that. Direct your anger at the party protecting domestic terrorism, not the one opposing them.


Peterparkerstwin

I don't give a fuck if they're fired or not from their jobs, I want to see these motherfuckers arrested for terrorism. There's plenty of evidence, just no balls.


BarkBeetleJuice

>I don't give a fuck if they're fired or not from their jobs, I want to see these motherfuckers arrested for terrorism. There's plenty of evidence, just no balls. Democrats don't control who is and isn't arrested.


ForgetTradition

>Democrats don't control who is and isn't arrested. Except that Democrats control the Department of Justice? If there is evidence that a crime has been committed and no charges are filed, it's because Biden has chosen an AG who is letting them off scot-free and Biden is actively choosing not to replace Garland with someone who will actually enforce the law. If no one is punished the blame squarely lies with Joe Biden.


Peterparkerstwin

I seem to remember a Democrat President appointing an AG that should be prosecuting these people. But hey, that doesn't fit with your narrative!!!


Noogleader

And no Republican votes or cooperation with dems to expell them so they can be arrested..... Not one Patriot to reach across the aisle to oust litteral traitors out of our government.... Interesting that the entire party refuses to do anything decent or normal for the good of the country....


MyEvilTwinSkippy

>And no Republican votes or cooperation with dems to expell them so they can be arrested. Members of Congress are not immune to criminal prosecution or arrest. Nobody needs to expel them first. The Democratically appointed head of the DOJ just needs to open an investigation. So far, it does not appear that this has happened...at the very least, there hasn't been any public information to this effect as yet.


Reasonable_Ad_4944

We all know Mexicans and Muslims are the real enemy here. Don't ask me why though.


nmarshall23

The 14th amendment, does not it require a vote to expel.


mhb-210

Your statement is false and not even remotely close to how the Constitution works. Here's the actual text of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment below: >No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. There is absolutely nothing in that text providing for any kind of special circumstances for removing a **sitting** member of Congress who has engaged in insurrection. In fact, it does more to spell out an exception to this rule than it does enforcement. If the insurrection had happened a few days earlier, Pelosi could have certainly refused to *seat* these people under Section 3; but since they were already in office, an expulsion vote is required per Article 1, Section 5: >Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, **with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.** If the House could just summarily throw out its members as you're suggesting, I think it's quite clear how much abuse of that power would happen (especially under conservative majorities). The only case your argument *might* have merit is under Section 5 of the 14th Amendment, which states: >The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. Congress could try to pass a law lowering the threshold to expel a member for participating in insurrection, but that would also require the Senate which I have a hard time seeing getting past a filibuster (since Sinema and Manchin refuse to eliminate it despite 90% of the Democratic Party, including Biden himself, supporting doing so). Even then, I can see the Supreme Court striking it down as unconstitutional (thanks to a Republican majority on the court). TL;DR: A 2/3 vote ***is*** required.


BattlestarTide

If they’re convicted, they’d be in prison and would be removed from office. Most likely, and this is in the very rare circumstance that Garland does actually prosecute, they’d cut a deal to resign from Congress in order to avoid jail time. But Garland won’t prosecute so this all a moot point. But while we’re at it, there has to be some delay to allow for due process that’s baked into the 14th amendment. E.g., just being accused of insurrection isn’t enough. There would have to be trials, appeals, etc. Then presumably the Supreme Court could rule that under the 14th Amendment, the person was given a fair trial for insurrection, and must be removed from office and it wasn’t just a back door way to impeach someone. The 14th doesn’t specify that, but as a amateur legal scholar I think it should be presumed that due process is still in play.


andthenhesaidrectum

>If they’re convicted, they’d be in prison and would be removed from office. This is incorrect. Conviction of a crime does not remove a sitting congressperson from congress. In the past, shame was enough to motivate resignation by every sitting senator to have been convicted of a crime (4). The congressional research office has looked at this issue recently, and there are some pretty smart folks in there. [https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/RL34716.pdf](https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/RL34716.pdf) Edit: it was 4 senators, far more from the house.


domasin

Not exactly, nothing will happen because expulsion from the house requires a 2/3s majority vote and criminal charges require a lot of evidence that may not be readily available.


FoxRaptix

They need a 2/3rds vote in support to remove them from congress. How many republicans you think are going to sign on to remove these republicans? I


snrkty

No they don’t. They need ⅔ vote to overturn the disqualification. Don’t even need a conviction seeing as giving aid and comfort disqualifies them and isn’t technically a crime. No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Amdt14.S3.1 Disqualification from Holding Office


UWCG

…so instead of even attempting to fix anything or prosecute with new evidence uncovered by Democrats, you just want to call it quits? Seems pretty defeatist to me.


Grammaticus_Dickus

You're making the classic error of confusing someone's description or prediction for a personally held belief. You are claiming they want something they never said and then passing judgment on the thing you just made up.


lateness

I don't care what his personal beliefs are, I'm tired of seeing the top-voted response to outrageous news being defeatest eyerolling so often for the last 5 years. *That* doesn't help anything, it actively normalizes it.


Alocasia_Sanderiana

Bruh what normalizes this is that it happens over and over and over again, forever perpetuated by the Executive and Legislative Branches of government


AndrewWaldron

I'm in my 40s. Dems being weak isn't just the last 5 years, it's been the last 20 at least. It's not eye-rolling defeatism, it's practical reality.


Xamjes

When has anything remotely close to this level of open and seditious activity occurred in the last 20 years? Get where you're coming from, but this is less 90's era political theater and more 1860, unfortunately for us all.


hypocritical_person

Dems need more ballsy and articulate ppl like AOC.


Rickerus

And yet the defeatist eye-rollers, including myself, are right EVERY TIME. How does posting this help any more than the eye-rolling? Great - more massive corruption. Thanks for sharing. Let’s all yell at the ether. That’ll help. Or better yet, let’s go vote! It’s worked so well to this point. It’s fucking over.


Random-Massacre

You're tired of seeing reality. The system is broken, they have gotten away with it, Democrats do let them off the hook. The only action available to the public is vigilantism.


APdabs503

Nothing will happen. Nothing will ever happen to these scumbags in office. What good comes from posting on reddit and being angry about it?


Jebediah_Johnson

Is that redditor in any position to do anything other than vote like the rest of us?


docterBOGO

Write to Congress? They are tools that make it easy: https://americanpromise.net/take-action/contact-your-elected-official/ https://citizensclimatelobby.org/write-your-representative/ https://act.represent.us/call/tell-congress-for-the-people/ Voting is the bare minimum of democratic participation. Never stop voting, but consider that even without deep pockets you can do so much more.


aresisis

I vote but I’d bet my last bag of pizza rolls that nobody reads that shit


docterBOGO

It probably won't be the first time you write, but I have gotten email responses back from Congress before


SmilingDutchman

Ascribing unwillingness to do something to the 'other' is also a classic tactic. And completely ignoring the fact that the Jan 6th commission is here because the Democrats are willing to see this through


GOPutinKildDemocracy

To quote kellyanne conway "Let me know when the jail sentence starts"


CreightonJays

Or they've paid attention to how democratic politicians have responded to things like this in the past?


UWCG

You got me. I guess there's no reason to do anything. Cause republicans will obstruct it and Democrats will take the blame. Better to just let the GQP get away with anything and everything, up to and including planning and organizing a terrorist attack on the Capitol, then blame Democrats. Edit: for all the responses I'm getting telling me Democrats won't do anything. They have. They are. They started a committee to investigate 1/6. Then they issued subpoenas. Now we've got criminal charges against Bannon and calls for the removal of criminal members of the GQP. The Democrats are doing everything they can. The republicans are the ones throwing sand in the gears and obstructing as much as they can. When you blame Democrats instead of the GQP, you're blaming the wrong people. I'm sorry you're missing the concept of the fact we have a democratic government and that things are put to a vote, neither party has absolute power. But being prematurely upset at Democrats for republican actions is just... completely incomprehensible.


perverse_panda

I think you're barking up the wrong tree. Everyone in this comment chain want to see these scumbags prosecuted. We're not the people you have to convince.


Apostate1123

Exactly. We want these fuckers arrested. We can’t do it, but AG Garland can. That’s why I scream that he needs to something or resign and let someone with balls to the job


Bizzle_worldwide

But are you screaming at anyone who matters? Are you calling your representative, members of the house, senators offices, etc? Are you actively organizing some larger action amongst your peer group that will apply pressure to those representatives? Or are you just screaming into the void and somehow telling yourself that’s making a difference? Because that’s no more effective than the individuals who have taken a pragmatic stance and said “I’m not able to change this situation or the pattern of behavior exhibited by the democratic party’s elected representative.” It’s just giving you something to do while effectively doing nothing either.


perverse_panda

My representatives are MAGA morons.


CreightonJays

You don't seem to understand. Nothing is going to happen. Nobody is saying "don't do anything". They are saying per history "nothing us going to happen". I'm sorry you're missing this concept


UWCG

> Nobody is saying "don't do anything". They are saying per history "nothing us going to happen". Except that's exactly what you're saying, isn't it? Republicans did something fucked up (again). Democrats are trying to fix it (again). And your response is, essentially, "nothing is going to happen, why bother?" Your attitude is basically, "Democrats are trying to do the right thing. But republicans will prevent it. So why even try?" and yeah, I'd consider that essentially saying, "Don't do anything."


Rhysati

Do you want them to go in Liam Neeson style, kicking in the doors of senators to eliminate them one by one? Or do you want them to vote and let their representatives do the job laid out for them by the constitution? Because one of those is legal and one isn't. Once you've voted in the right candidate did you not do your job? Isnt that supposed to be how this works? Why do you suddenly expect the voters to hold the power here? The whole government was almost overthrown regardless of what voters worked so hard for and you think individuals on reddit are the answer?


JesusChristsGayLover

We want the Democrats to actually do something but past actions make us doubt that they will. Would love the Democrats to prove us wrong but we have absolutely no reason to believe that they will.


UWCG

Which party voted unanimously in favor of Bannon's contempt charge? Which one voted almost unanimously against it? Democrats aren't the problem here. The GQP is. You're blaming the wrong people.


JesusChristsGayLover

I would really love to see the Democrats succeed, I really would, but I've watched them pass up so many opportunities to show they are at least trying. If the past four years the president had been a Democrat with his kids infesting the white house, pulling the shit that trump's kids were do you think that the Republicans would just say oh well? Right now, if the situation was reversed, the Republicans would be having multiple investigations on all their dealings.


Grammaticus_Dickus

Both things can be a problem. It's entirely possible and consistent to criticize the GQP for the things it does, while at the same time criticizing the Dems for how they respond.


UWCG

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Democrats are doing the correct thing and this kind of shit comparing them to the Q nuts actively is hurting Democrats and increasing the chances of the GQP retaking power. A step in the right direction is preferable to a mile backwards in the wrong direction.


Mental_Rooster4455

Tbf, what do you think is gonna happen?


UWCG

I think republicans are going to obstruct anything from going forward, despite Democratic efforts to do the right thing, and I'm going to see a bunch of misinformed idiots blaming the Democrats for republican actions. Pretty much a fucking repeat of what I'm seeing right now.


NightTrain555

Yep. There’s precedent


PepeBabinski

To be fair there have been no things like this in the past.


MoscowMitchMckills

Oh when was the last insurrection by traitors where the dems did nothing? I must have missed it


SquidmanMal

The big one was at the end of the civil war where they didn't finish the job. ​ I remember dumb teenagers who loved to shout 'the south will rise again' at school. ​ Well, we're getting close.


MoscowMitchMckills

You mean after Lincoln was assassinated and Johnson, a southern sympathizer, basically scratched all of reconstruction to help the traitors rise again? Agreed


SquidmanMal

In general, not trying and hanging every last traitor as per the constitution. ​ 'they learned their lesson', but just ages past. ​ ​ America has a history with that shit though, further down we accepted a bunch of Nazi scientists too.


omgyoureacunt

Also allowing the Daughters of the Confederacy to run wild spreading confederate propaganda.


SquidmanMal

My favorite thing with modern confederates though, is how they wave their 'cultural not racist!' flag that was never actually flown outside of battles. It's not a symbol of government or anything.


ShameNap

What should democrats do ?


Disconnorable

Direct the DOJ to arrest them. Seek to charge them under anti treason laws pursuing the strongest possible sentence. Only permit the cutting of deals for the expedited release of information on more senior members of the conspiracy. Investigate the wider GOP using RICO powers to examine their finances and dig out all the bad apples funding them. Arrest them too.


BarkBeetleJuice

>Nothing will happen because democrats are a bunch of pussies. Republicans are immune to punishment because that might be "political" That is *genuinely* the dumbest reactionary take on this news and it's getting to the point where everyone who spews it should be treated like the petulant, ignorant, problem they are. First off, "Democrats" don't control whether the reps are punished. Expelling congresspeople from office requires 2/3rds of the voting body. In case you've forgotten, we didn't even give the Dems a 50% majority in the Senate, and they only have 50.9% of the voting share in the house of representatives. Republicans would **never** vote for their own to party losing power. Secondly, "Democrats" don't decide who gets prosecuted. At best, a Congressional committee can recommend the DOJ pursue charges. However, it's *completely* up to the DOJ whether or not to follow them up. "Democrats" don't get to order the DOJ around. Third, even if you wanted to argue that Biden could fire and replace Merrick Garland if he didn't pursue charges, that's "still" not "Democrats" that's a single person out of the entire party, and it wouldn't make a difference. Biden firing and hiring new DOJ leadership for the express purpose of prosecuting Republican representatives would be an absolute wet dream for Republicans in the 2022 midterms. The attack ads and calls to arms write themselves. All while people like you publicly blame Democrats for Republican behavior, undermining the voter turnout needed to unseat enough Republicans from power to actually get the shit we want to see done. When will the "toughen up Dems" crowd realize that all they're doing are shooting themselves in the face?


Darth_Miguel

Is CNN et al waiting to corroborate? Not a word of this on their front page


Durakan

I think this may be the wedge that makes people realize that all of our media is ultimately right wing media, it's just some of it pays lip service to "progress" when it's convenient.


miamiric3

PBS NewsHour. The closest to an unbiased news source I’ve ever found. Case in point... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/gop-lawmakers-were-intimately-involved-in-jan-6-protest-planning-new-report-shows


BattlestarTide

Right, if it doesn’t involve a culture war then it won’t make CNN.


protendious

It’s not on CNN, WaPo, Times, etc because they can’t run a story like this without corroborating it themselves first. They’re not a subreddit.


lastdiggmigrant

Not only that but I haven't seen anything on the forced DNR for people with "learning disabilities" in the UK anywhere in mainstream liberal media. You think that one would be obvious outrage.


DarthSatoris

> the forced DNR for people with "learning disabilities" in the UK Wait hang on... Did the UK government apply a nation-wide "Do Not Resuscitate" clause on everyone with a mental handicap? What kind of messed up shit is that?


jrf_1973

That's Tory policy and has been in place, illegally, for some time. https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/unprecedented-number-of-dnr-orders-for-learning-disabilities-patients/7027480.article "Learning disability and mental health service provider says it is still receiving unlawful do not resuscitate orders "


-Alarak

They should also be calling for their arrest and prosecution. Those traitors deserve to rot in prison for life.


iheyjuall

Why not criminal treason charges?


rogue_giant

Treason means working with a foreign adversary. This would be sedition. It’s a small but important difference.


RestlessAndHairy

Like Putin who the GOP received a great deal of support from?


PhilipLiptonSchrute

Cause the Democrats are pussies


PenitentAnomaly

Democrats have the slimmest possible majority in the Senate and not the firmest grasp n the House. Republicans are busy saying, "What Insurrection?" It becomes difficult to prosecute these sorts of crimes when it is perceived as being purely political and unfortunately, that is the narrative that Republicans have been spinning ever since Trump's first impeachment. The real pussies here are Republicans that are lining up like they are in Kindergarten that defended Trump and are now denying that the Insurrection even happened.


billdkat9

A Politician was elected on “Lock Her Up” But existing members of Government are too afraid to do anything


[deleted]

Cause criminal charges is DOJ's department.


snrkty

Democrats can’t charge them with crimes. That comes down to the DOJ. They can expel them from congress under the 14th though - which they should absolutely be doing.


BarkBeetleJuice

>Cause the Democrats are pussies Copy/pasting my response to someone else who spewed this garbage take as well: That is *genuinely* the dumbest reactionary take on this news and it's getting to the point where everyone who spews it should be treated like the petulant, ignorant, problem they are. First off, "Democrats" don't control whether the reps are punished. Expelling congresspeople from office requires 2/3rds of the voting body. In case you've forgotten, we didn't even give the Dems a 50% majority in the Senate, and they only have 50.9% of the voting share in the house of representatives. Republicans would **never** vote for their own to party losing power. Secondly, "Democrats" don't decide who gets prosecuted. At best, a Congressional committee can recommend the DOJ pursue charges. However, it's *completely* up to the DOJ whether or not to follow them up. "Democrats" don't get to order the DOJ around. Third, even if you wanted to argue that Biden could fire and replace Merrick Garland if he didn't pursue charges, that's "still" not "Democrats" that's a single person out of the entire party, and it wouldn't make a difference. Biden firing and hiring new DOJ leadership for the express purpose of prosecuting Republican representatives would be an absolute wet dream for Republicans in the 2022 midterms. The attack ads and calls to arms write themselves. All while people like you publicly blame Democrats for Republican behavior, undermining the voter turnout needed to unseat enough Republicans from power to actually get the shit we want to see done. When will the "toughen up Dems" crowd realize that all they're doing are shooting themselves in the face?


grumble_au

This was clearly sedition, any sane person should vote to remove the perpetrators. It should be unanimous. It should be unanimous no matter the party of the perpetrators, who is in government, or who is making the vote. Discussing this issue like it's in any way related to party is the absolute crux of the problems in politics right now.


Rhysati

You can discuss it as though reality doesn't exist all you like. The fact of the matter remains that the parties play a massive role here because one party refuses for anyone on their team to be held accountable.


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grumble_au

"We coordinated with the terrorists on the peaceful rally that preceded the insurrection. Which is completely unrelated to the actual insurrection that spontaneously started for no reason immediately after the rally. Which is also unrelated to the actions of the house members to trying to delay or invalidate the vote at that exact time. Which is unrelated to the many attempts to invalidate specific states and counties results in the courts. It's all a big coincidence."


SporkOfThor

Meanwhile, the Republican coup, in the form of anti-voting legislation, The Big Lie, Far Right Republican judges, etc., continues.


Randy_Watson

Those reps might actually be in deep shit for once. I wouldn’t be surprised if the GOP throw those nutjobs under the bus for this. It would rid them of the most embarrassing members of their caucus while risking none of their seats. They could then plausibly deny it by playing the political persecution card. Playing the victim is what gets republicans hard.


fatherdoodle

No….those people promote everything the GOP currently stands for. They will not abandon them.


Randy_Watson

Maybe the hardcore base, but most republicans are still into their traditional issues: cutting their corporate overlords taxes, allowing their corporate overlords to destroy the planet, etc. These people draw too much heat in general even if they represent the base’s id.


retiredhobo

inside traitors


PM_ME_UPLIFTING_FACT

I hate this headline framing of "**Dem lawmakers** call for removal of Republicans reportedly involved in 1/6" in this headline. It makes it sounds like it's two political parties bickering. It's not only Dem lawmakers who want these Republicans removed from office. Any true American patriot, regardless of political party, is calling for these domestic terrorists to be removed from office and face justice.


memberer

they must be removed. logic shows there is no room for intolerance: The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant.


Olderscout77

The last time we ignored this sort of behavior among our elected reps, they started the Civil War. These traitorous little nits need to be smacked down before they cause us to repeat History. They have no immunity from prosecution, so LOCK THEM UP! Then remove them from their office on grounds they cannot do their jobs while serving time.


Mental_Rooster4455

Doesn’t expulsion take a 2/3rds majority?


Jimbob0i0

Expulsion does... but there's some debate about the 14A language and what that would actually mean to prevent someone from taking a seat in Congress.


snrkty

The amendment pretty clearly says anyone “having previously taken an oath as a member of congress…” Seems to be stating that they cannot remain in office after engaging in or giving aid to insurrection or rebellion.


Mental_Rooster4455

Yeah but they’ve already taken their seats now. And either way I highly doubt SCOTUS green light that.


Jimbob0i0

I think it becomes more of a question of '22 and whether they would be eligible to run after the House votes that X, Y and Z come under the relevant 14A criteria.


vrrmason

Not according to the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, Section 3: *"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."* But I just learned this 5 minutes from the internet.


Mental_Rooster4455

Yeah there’s no way SCOTUS will officially interpret Jan.6 as an insurrection legally to enforce that.


Jimbob0i0

The language "or rebellion against the same" might do some heavy lifting though...


mrmeshshorts

No, it won’t. Where conservative interests are concerned, the SCOUS is 80/80 in favor of conservatism.


snrkty

It doesn’t say they have to.


jrf_1973

No it doesn't. This misinformation spreading needs to stop. It takes 2/3rds to let them back in.


snrkty

No. 14th section 3 says they are disqualified. It requires a ⅔ vote to overturn their disqualification. No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Amdt14.S3.1 Disqualification from Holding Office


some-guy_00

The other shoe just dropped. Expel and lock them up. Who wants to have an expel party?


nycperson2741

Thank f***ing finally. Those specific republicans who actually did participate should never have been allowed to set foot in the Capitol again.


LadyBogangles14

The sedition caucus needs to go to jail.


joelrrj

Fuken do something about it for once.


jayfeather31

Unfortunately, that will never happen. You need two-thirds of the legislature to agree to eject someone from Congress, and we barely got to sixty votes to suspend the debt ceiling. EDIT: I have it backwards. Apparently, you need two-thirds to override, not to eject.


purpleunicorn26

Would be good to call a vote and get all the current republicans on record voting against expulsion for confirmed treason


skrame

Buddy, they just don’t care if they’re “on record”. That’s what their base supports.


grumble_au

Others have linked the text. If they could be charged with insurrection and/or giving aid and comfort to enemies they would be automatically removed and need 2/3 to stay. The chance of having the existing SCOTUS rule against republicans on just about anything is zero so it's still not going to happen.


snrkty

What does scotus have to do with it? Congress sets their own rules, and they don’t need to be convicted of a crime to be disqualified for giving aid and comfort to those that did.


jrf_1973

That isn't true. You do not need 2/3 to eject. You need 2/3 in the House to override the ejection.


snrkty

No you don’t. 14th amendment section 3 disqualifies them from office for even giving aid and comfort. Requires ⅔ vote to overturn that disqualification. No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Amdt14.S3.1 Disqualification from Holding Office


prestocoffee

If they can't see the storm coming they're idiots. They should vote them out lest be out on their own soon enough.


firstknivesclub

will something actually be done about this though? I haven't seen ANY news network report on this particular article


MBAMBA3

"Removal" - INTO PRISON


emleigh2277

What is happening to you America. 6 people have been exposed for assisting and a law has to be passed to get rid of them. Shouldn't government traitors be arrested , imprisoned and mostly forced to resign. Holy hell, I guess America .can never again comment about the standard of government anywhere else in the world, if you are allowing aiders and abetters to stay in government. There should be six byelections starting tomorrow. This is shocking especially the part of zero comeuppance for the federal traitors.


MrPositive1

Will it happen though…no. The right have been extremely successful at minimizing Jan 6th. And the left and our legal system has helped assist in that success. The left have done a piss poor job at making it a top priority to go after. Some don’t even talk about it anymore. The legal system, so far, has done a piss poor job at dishing out the punishment for those involved. They are giving out slaps on the wrists. Maybe that will change soon, who knows.


drew1010101

Section 3 of the 14th amendment says, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military,under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."


mach2sloth

They are absolutely traitors, and they should not only be removed from Congress, they should be charged with sedition and imprisoned for 20 years.


csparker1

Removal?!? How about lengthy prison terms?


Irishguy01

You're telling me the congresswoman who tweeted the location and destination of The Speaker of the House was involved in planning the rally that turned into a riot after which she made said tweets to aid said rioters? No way


Joecascio2000

They should honestly start leaving the country. It's only going to get worse as time goes on and a clearer picture of 1/6 is made.


bulldoggb8

The problem is they need 2/3 vote to expel a congressman. I highly doubt any republicans would do the right thing. It will remain as all talk like it always does, no real consequences. They have proven that they will live within the lies no matter what.


snrkty

No they don’t. 14th amendment section 3 disqualifies them and requires a ⅔ vote to overturn the disqualification. No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Amdt14.S3.1 Disqualification from Holding Office


Tireseas

If they had a spine they'd be calling for capital charges against them.


vape-naysh-420

As they fucking should! January 6 was an illegal attempt at overthrowing congress and those involved should be punished!


trent58

They should add Ted Cruz and the rest of the sedition lobby.


hamsterfolly

That would take Congress to actually punish their own, and Republicans always chose party over country.


YouUsedMeAgain

Removal? I support a 8x10 cell for them


Explains_Wrong

Almost a year later. Mole asses.


Onceagainbutthesame

They should be charged with sedition too


TyPaGa

Uhmmm, they should be tried for treason, plain and simple.


lisa725

Arrest. Even removed those asshats can do a lot of damage.


DanB65

How can we have ENEMIES of the United States, TERRORISTS, sitting in Congress?!?!?! IF these were Democrats there would be an outcry like we have never heard before.


Father_of_Invention

As it should be


alimagrog

Charge them with treason.


itsjustmejttp123

Stop “calling” for it and fucking do it already!


tykneedanser

Lock them up.


Optimal_Ear_4240

Absolutely a violation of oath and ethics. Resign or be expelled traitors. We can not afford to have this drag on our future


LilDoctor007

As a Life long Republican, I approve! 👌🏼


is_whut_it_is

if you're *still* a republican at this point then you are just as awful as these people you dont have to be a democrat...but to still proudly declare yourself a republican today means you are still supporting scum like this over the rest of us


BattlestarTide

Dems don’t need to do shit other than air the testimony from the witnesses and file contempt of Congress charges. This is a law enforcement problem.


Hour-Island

Say what now? “No one cares about Jan. 6 when gas prices are skyrocketing, grocery store shelves are empty, unemployment is skyrocketing, businesses are going bankrupt, our border is being invaded, children are forced to wear masks, vaccine mandates are getting workers fired, and 13 members of our military are murdered by the Taliban and Americans are left stranded in Afghanistan,” Dyer wrote. Nick Dyer - Marjorie Taylor Greene's communication director.


parkinthepark

Dem leadership is not interested in protecting democracy, they are interested in ~~winning elections~~ running in expensive races. They will *not* view this as an opportunity to set precedent or shore up democracy. They *will* view this as an opportunity for generating “stakes” (which increases donor investment) for the midterms. Be ready for a bunch of hearings that will generate only headlines and tweets, ending just in time to “let the American People decide” in the fall of 2022. Nobody goes to jail, nothing gets fixed, consultants and ad buyers get richer.


dirtielaundry

Somehow I have a feeling that nothing is going to happen. I'm so sick of this shit.


Rickerus

Blah blah blah. That’s all they’ll do is “call for removal”. It’s all for show and there will be zero consequences for any of those involved. The grand experiment is over