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Kerapac did nothing wrong!

Kerapac did nothing wrong!

IrritumVis

Kerapac is, in my opinion, one of the best characters we've had throughout rs3 quests. There is a certain depth to his character, which i only have seen in some of the gods and mahjarrat. Would love to see us redeem him in some way or another. Kerapac is technically older than the elder gods btw, which us kinda insane. Well older than the current revision of the elder gods.


Kumagor0

> Kerapac is, in my opinion, one of the best characters we've had throughout rs3 quests. Agreed. Desperate measures ending was probably the saddest I've ever been while playing RS (yes, including World Wakes). >Would love to see us redeem him in some way or another. I wish we did, but can't see how it could happen given he's a boss in a permanent dungeon now. Unless Jagex does some next-level-throw-lore-integrity-out-of-the-window, even compared to what they did with egwd and elder god quest requirements already.


ianzen

permanent dungeon bosses can have quests other interactions beyond just boss fight. For example, gwd1 gwd2 bosses.


Multimarkboy

Gwd1 bosses even "made up" but agreed to just return and fight the player if i recall


[deleted]

Sort of like how barrows brothers at some point learned to resist Sliske's control, but returned to barrows in order to bide their time.


Multimarkboy

apparantly i was confused with the brothers, GWD1 and 2 are "abandoned" but for gameplay reasons ofc they are still there.


IrritumVis

I think jagex is gonna wrap up the year with a quest culminating the events of battle of the monolith and gwd3. The quest will be cannon, nut the dungeon remains, like gw2 and gw1, which now cannonicly are abandonned.


Kumagor0

>like gw2 and gw1, which now cannonicly are abandonned. Now that you mention it, I think you might be right. I remember gw2 referenced as abandoned during Azzanadras quest (which seemed a bit weird tbh), but now I realize it all makes sense. After all, you can't expect Nex still to live in Ice prison either.


IrritumVis

They did. And if you talk to the generals during gwd, they will tell you that gw1 is abandonned since and i qoute: "some adventures got ahold of the godsword, so there was no more use fighting there". Which explains why the generels can be in gw3


Legal_Evil

> Unless Jagex does some next-level-throw-lore-integrity-out-of-the-window They already did it with the Barrow brothers. We are suppose to be friends with them after Sliske's Endgame yet they still try to kill us at Barrows or RotS.


Kumagor0

That's kinda different because Barrows thing is explained, they say you're still welcome to come and spar with them. But as the other person pointed out already, they actually did it with gwd1 and gwd2 already because canonically both of them are abandoned now (despite the fact you can still go there and fight). So yeah, now I see saving Kerapac can be possible.


Legal_Evil

But why would they beat you to death even after the quest rather than beat you to submission? For the lore to make sense despite breaking game play balance, doing the quest should reward the latter scenario.


Insanefinn

Maybe they know we do canonically respawn.


NinjaGamer1337

Kerapac is one of the most tragic characters in RS lore. Imagine living in your world, in your universe only to have it all torn away by the Elder Gods. You and your race barely survive by hiding in the Abyss for centuries. When you return to the universe, it's new. Theres nothing like you remember. And then you and your people are enslaved by the beings that took everything from you. For millenia the Dragonkin have been slaves to Jas, and when they finally free themselves we give them right back to Jas. Kerapac is a being older than the universe itself, older than the current Elder Gods. He's been a slave for millenia and seen the universe crumble to nothing and trillions die. He did want to destroy Gielinor, true, but it wasn't for an evil reason. It was to stop the unspeakable horror that he witnessed from happening again. And honestly, if he'd just planned it a bit better he would've been the hero of this tale. If he had gone to the World Guardian and been like "Hey, I'm destroying Gielinor, evacuate all the people on it with the World Gate that you have" everything would've been fine. Oh well


Kumagor0

> If he had gone to the World Guardian and been like "Hey, I'm destroying Gielinor, evacuate all the people on it with the World Gate that you have" everything would've been fine. a) That's kinda what he did at some point, except there would be no time to evacuate everyone. b) Kerapac's plan has no chance of success. If he were getting close to succeeding, Jas would just have undone the whole Anachronia together with Kerapac and the Needle, which would still result in most of Gielinor life dying.


GorrilaWarring

Makes more sense than Thanos's washy stuff. He really did nothing wrong.


InsanePurple

I’m sure the only reason they gave Thanos that dumb reasoning in the cinematic universe is because they felt like committing genocide to try and bang some chick wouldn’t be family friendly. For some reason.


wrongburger

killing people is PG but having a crush on lady death is not, apparently


Multimarkboy

Idk man looking at how were nearing overpopulation and wrecking the planet for resources... Half the population suddenly just dissapearing doesnt sound like the worst outcome...


[deleted]

Thano's story veered off from the comics iirc. Never read them but from what I've learned second-hand Thanos had a secondary goal or something with the snap - wanted to impress lady Death or something. Had a wee bit of a crush? Idk. But yeah, I agree.


Dead_Meme_Expert

"Kerapac did nothing wrong!" ... he did try to destroy Gielinor though. In order to save the rest of the universe, yes, but he tried to commit a massive genocide still.


Goldmage162

It's one of those 'Logical Insanity" questions... Would you kill 1 billion people to save 1 trillion? If you were certain the trillion (including the billion you're killing) will all die anyway?


Seravail

Yeah, but mostly because those numbers are too big for a human brain to properly comprehend so it doesn't feel as real.


ianzen

The only way to save kerapac is to put him down, for good.


KoneheadLarry

He also tortured lots of Dragonkin and Dragons in experiments to cure the curse according to ED2 lore books


RageQuitSon

i mean.. it was for a good cause!!


Insert___Username_

Needs of the many


Phantasmagazine

I don't imagine Kerapac is going to survive the Elder God Wars. I know he survives the boss fight, but I feel like his story ends here, one way or another. I wonder how Naressa broke free of the Elder Gods' control? Surely her freedom means there's something we, or the Nodon, can do to free them?


laboufe

I might be wrong, but arent the nodon under kerapacs control and not jas' control? Kerapac manipulated the nodon into thinking they are attacking jas no?


Phantasmagazine

If Kerapac's under Jas' control and the Nodon are under Kerapac's control, doesn't that technically mean the Nodon are under Jas' control?


Kumagor0

The difference is, that Naressa being free indicates there might be way to break Nodon free from Kerapac's control, but not Kerapac from Jas's control.


laboufe

Yes this is exactly right


ConstantStatistician

JUST LET ME DIE! The pain and terror in that line's voiceover gets me every time. Poor Kerapac. I wonder if our fight was even canon. Well, if it was, we haven’t seen the last of him. Sorry, Kerapac; you'll need to suffer a bit more because I like you so much.


RandomPostDude

Tho he kinda deserves it, ngl. Trying to destroy the world... But it's still sad nonetheless


Multimarkboy

If 1 world needs to die to save the current universe....


Flu77ershy

Kerapac deserves everything that happens to him. Fuck him.


Safe_Peanut74

tbh i'd free his race from slavery cause slavery bad, and he shouldn't be a slave either but i'd probably still put him specifically in the ground since he's shown himself to be a threat to beings around him and a problem repeatedly


Saiyan-solar

I would love to free the nodon from their enslavement as they actually didn't do anything wrong and still got enslaved (twice). Meanwhile kerapec has shown himself to be unstable and unable to let go of old grudges, even if we free him he would just plot to kill us again.


Kumagor0

>Meanwhile kerapec has shown himself to be unstable and unable to let go of old grudges, even if we free him he would just plot to kill us again. that doesn't sound like Kerapac at all


Hannah_MtF

If youre referring to him trying to kill the elder gods after he freed his race, then thats not just him "holding a grudge" Youve got to remember that he and his people have already been through this once before, the elder gods destroyed their world and they escaped by hiding in the abyss, then they came out and tried to reason with them like we were doing with the council. That got them enslaved and tormented. From Kerapacs perspective, he was doing the only thing that couldve ever stopped the elder gods by killing them with shadow anima, and doing so wouldve saved countless nonillions of lives across the whole universe by sacrificing this one, single planet.


Saiyan-solar

They didn't get enslaved by counciling with them. They got enslaved because of kerapec his machine that created shadow anima and tried to use that to hold leverage over the elder gods. In the end he repeated the exact same mistake and in doing so he enslaved himself and the nodon again and made Ful awaken for her slumber, literally Kickstarting what he tried to prevent. Let's not forget the before kerapec his plan only jas was awake and she was willing to hear us out as we would take over sliskes role.


Silent_Giant

https://runescape.wiki/w/Kerapac#Desperate_Measures Feast your eyes on that and still dare to say Kerapac did nothing wrong. His goal to cure his kind from Jas' curse and Gielinor from the Great Revision might have been noble, but all the horrible things he tried to achieve it were not. He's getting what he deserves.


Hannah_MtF

"Player: Regrettably? V was a great man and a... Phalaks: ...a False User and therefore a cause of ceaseless, soul-burning agony for me and my kind. Player: Um... Phalaks: What do you know of our curse? What do you know of being cursed? Imagine that every moment of every day you existed in torment, and this could only be relieved by killing a specific person. And, to make things worse, this person was so powerful that the only way you could kill them would involve enduring more torment to get to their level. How many centuries, centuries I ask you, would you last before you too treated the death of a subjectively 'nice' False User as a cause for celebration?" From: Heroes Welcome when the player objects to taking V's death as a good thing. Idk man, the dragonkin were fucked over hardcore, kerapac was a hero to his people for freeing them from the curse, and was almost immediately enslaved again because of us. I want to free him


Silent_Giant

Kerapac being a hero for the Dragonkin is a good thing, like I said. It's the things he did to be that hero that makes him a bad guy. He killed countless dragons and even dragonkin in his experiments. And what did he wanted to do once he was free from the curse? Stop the elder gods... by committing yet another genocide.


Hannah_MtF

From his perspective it's the only way. Remember that he and his people have already gone through this once before, they destroyed his universe and he hid in the abyss with the rest of his people, and when they came out and tried to reason with the elder gods like we were trying to do before with serens council, they were enslaved and tormented for *tens of thousands* of years. Would you not sacrifice a single planet to prevent the destruction of all life everywhere? To save the rest of reality from a force you know *from firsthand experience* cannot be reasoned out of destroying it all? Edit: and remember this isnt an empty sacrifice, hed die, and the remainder of his people (the nodon on anachronia) would also have died from his plan.


EsCanavi

Wait you guys read lore ?


MorsVitaRs

Yes? It's pretty interesting if you get into it.


EsCanavi

All the lore hunter getting mad 😂😂


SrepliciousDelicious

At first i compared him to davy jones. But he seems more like agent Smith from the matrix. (The whole matrix-comprissonnbetween jas/kerapac/the player is an interesting one imo).


TotemRiolu

World Guardian: "Oh no, Kerapac! I'll save you!" Also WG: *beats him up and steals his things*


Insanefinn

Perhaps once the elders lay dead and their eggs are hard boiled