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Racism fuelling far-right threat in UK - MI5's Ken McCallum warns

Racism fuelling far-right threat in UK - MI5's Ken McCallum warns

AssumedPersona

Watch and marvel as the government does sweet FA about it, because they depend on nationalism and xenophobia as foundations of their support base.


mattb2k

The press release that this article was derived from actually details how they stopped a right wing terrorist making bombs https://www.mi5.gov.uk/news/director-general-ken-mccallum-gives-annual-threat-update-2021


xanxiousthrowawayx94

They won't do anything about it because the far-right hasn't been a serious threat in this country for decades.


TimsKillerRabbit

I know right? It's not as if these nutters have gone around shooting MPs in the head yet.... Oh wait.


xanxiousthrowawayx94

You say that as if an MP is a killed by a right-wing nutter every other year. As tragic as the murder of Jo Cox was, one killing of an MP in 30 years since the IRA last killed an MP, is not a serious threat.


TimsKillerRabbit

Fair point. I mean right wing nutters haven't killed anyone else. Or done anything like I dunno, drive a van from Wales to London and just plough into civilians on a bridge. Or been arrested for 3d printing guns..... or ex forces people for that matter.... who've also been caught on terrorism offences for printing guns and building explosives.... National Action aren't even a thing are they......


SirEbralPaulsay

9 day old account, it’s a troll.


englishskidmarks

But allowing others to provide great information to those that have slow brains and similar views. In turn making it look like a total plonker.


xanxiousthrowawayx94

National Action have an estimated membership of 100 *at most*. They are a threat yes, but not a serious one as they are caught 98% of the time before they can actually do any damage.


Azhini

Watch those goalposts shift...


sniffletits

Mental gymnastics is an event in the Olympics this year, yer man is gonna being back gold medals galore with his performance.


MinderReminder

> the far-right hasn't been a serious threat in this country for decades I haven't seen these shift yet


Azhini

>**They are a threat yes**, but not a serious one Admitting they are actually a threat, but now not serious. Reading is fun and easy! Anyone can do it!


MinderReminder

Apparently not you though, since the guy specified "*serious* threat" right from the beginning, and you somehow even missed me quoting it just now.


jj198hands

>As tragic as the murder of Jo Cox was, one killing of an MP in 30 years since the IRA last killed an MP, is not a serious threat. And if the IRA suddenly decided to execute an MP in broad daylight you would not consider them to be a 'serious threat?'


xanxiousthrowawayx94

A total of 8 serving MPs have been assassinated since 1812. 5 of those assassinations were carried out by the IRA. If the IRA suddenly came out of the woodworks and killed an MP they would be far more of a threat than a single right-wing straggler not affiliated to any particular organisation. The IRA are an organisation with many members and are organised with access to significant weaponary and bombs -- so you can easily see which one of these would be a serious threat.


jj198hands

OK so lets say somebody comes along and calls themselves the Irish Liberation Army, shoots an MP and sprays ILA on the corpse, how seriously do you take that? I mean if you look at that list and discount the debt murder you only have the far right / Neo nazis and the Irish Republicans who have murdered an MP, I think its fair to say both of these are a potential threat, not equal of course, but still a threat and potentially a serious one.


Logseman

After the demonstration that billions and billions of pounds are expended worldwide to indoctrinate and legitimate the beliefs of the people who carry out the killings, the excuse of a “lone wolf” is as valid for the far-right as for their ISIS friends.


CEO_of_Having_Sex

Conveniently forgetting about the plot to kill Corbyn that resulted in a van attack on a Mosque congregation and the regular Nazi terrorist arrests.


xanxiousthrowawayx94

Regular nazi terrorist arrests? Where?


CEO_of_Having_Sex

Depends how seriously you take people having bomb manuals and declaring they want to blow people up, from 2021: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/salford-schoolboy-neo-nazi-next-20672186 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57406673 https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/youngest-british-terrorist-sentenced-neo-nazi-manuals-stash https://news.sky.com/story/ben-hannam-british-police-officer-jailed-for-four-years-for-belonging-to-neo-nazi-terrorist-group-12291296 We'll probably see an uptick later with The Base being banned


Vladimir_Chrootin

As you well know: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-57439480 https://news.sky.com/story/ben-hannam-british-police-officer-jailed-for-four-years-for-belonging-to-neo-nazi-terrorist-group-12291296 https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/youngest-british-terrorist-sentenced-neo-nazi-manuals-stash https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-57468303 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-55427937 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-55427721 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54782394


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Hang on mate, let me get the door for you so that goalpost can fit through it.


pajamakitten

> because the far-right hasn't been a serious threat in this country for decades They considered them a threat during the 2015 election campaign. It's why we had the Brexit referendum.


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The right wing lame stream media convinced the UK population that the "far left" were the imminent emerging threat....a great deflection from the truth of the continuous actual threat of the far right.


Visible_Cheesecake74

The funny thing is that they are always too scared to not have their face covered. If you have such extremist views, stop being such a little bitch about being identified.


Uthe281

>The funny thing is that they are always too scared to not have their face covered. Ridiculous that he's choosing to walk around looking like a letterbox, eh?


FarHat5815

>If you have such extremist views, stop being such a little bitch about being identified. Antifa are the same.


jhs25

So? These fascist cowards always run up to harass a seemingly weak single individual in packs of 3s or 4s. Guess what happens? The single lad's fight or flight response kicks in when he's threatened, one of em gets twatted, the other three run off. Most likely EDL supporting thugs. I've yet to see these arseholes approach me or anyone else that disagree with them one to one. No mask needed on my part, but then again I don't go around looking to harass black and brown asian minority lads and lasses now do I? So yeh, fuck the alt right and fuck fascism, our country should be above this petty caveman shit in this day and age. The Empire died off long ago, it finally sleeps, in the deepest recesses of history where it belongs. Get over it.. Or just continue preaching on the cesspool that is the /r/worldnews sub about how exceptional we are, idc.


FarHat5815

This is a great read: ***Antifaschistische Aktion (Antifa) was a militant anti-fascist organisation in the Weimar Republic started by members of the Communist Party of Germany*** *(KPD) that existed from 1932 to 1933. It was primarily active as a KPD campaign during the 1932 German federal elections and was described by the KPD as a "red united front under the leadership of the only anti-fascist party, the KPD."* *During the Third Period, the KPD viewed the Nazi Party ambiguously. On one hand, the KPD considered the Nazi Party to be one of the fascist parties. On the other hand, the KPD sought to appeal to the Strasserite-wing of the Nazi movement by using nationalist slogans.* ***The KPD sometimes cooperated with the Nazis in attacking the SPD (social democratic party of germany).*** *However, after the Comintern's abrupt ultra-left turn in its Third Period from 1928, the KPD regarded the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) as its main adversary and adopted the position that the SPD was the main fascist party in Germany. This was based on the theory of social fascism that had been proclaimed by Joseph Stalin and that was supported by the Comintern during the late 1920s and early 1930s, which held that social democracy was a variant of fascism. Consequently, the KPD held that it was "the only anti-fascist party" in Germany and stated that "fighting fascism means fighting the SPD just as much as it means fighting Hitler and the parties of Brüning." In KPD and Soviet usage,* ***fascism was primarily viewed as the final stage of capitalism rather than a specific group or movement such as the Italian Fascists or the German Nazis and, based on this theory, the term was applied quite broadly.*** Basically Antifa was a militant group created by the communists. They viewed social democracy and capitalism as being fascist while they also worked with the Nazis, allowing them to come into power. What a swell bunch of guys. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische\_Aktion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion)


Arretu

Is this some variant of the "democrats were the original racists akshually" thing? Setting aside that you're referencing stuff from 80 years ago, the current iteration of antifa seems to have no organisational structure. There is no leader, so the thought of antifa having coherent policy or political affiliation beyond "we should punch fascists" seems pretty ludicrous.


FarHat5815

Then why do they use the same [flag and tactics as the original Antifa](https://www.google.com/search?q=antifaschistische+aktion&sxsrf=ALeKk0023VThTJdMKKk09Ar9EG1tqacUqw:1626526106511&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjFka_2kerxAhWaOsAKHWpQBr0Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=969)? You are just trying to use an excuse to hide what they really are. Antifa are far from being democratic. Also check out Russia's foundations of geopolitics *"Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics"* The BLM founder has already admitted she was a trained Marxist and both BLM and Antifa use the [Soviet Fist](https://www.google.com/search?q=soviet+fist&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjCm4z-kOrxAhUDcxoKHSSyD5UQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=soviet+fist&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECCMQJzIECAAQQzICCAAyAggAMgYIABAHEB4yBggAEAgQHjIGCAAQCBAeMgYIABAIEB4yBggAEAgQHjIGCAAQCBAeUOudDViGrA1gtK0NaAFwAHgAgAFKiAGEA5IBATaYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=ntDyYMLUEIPmaaTkvqgJ&bih=969&biw=1920). [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations\_of\_Geopolitics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics)


Arretu

Established brands are useful. I'd debate whether the tactics are identical. Here in Germany, I'd say most people who would express support for antifa wouldn't have any problems with the SPD except those that pretty much everyone apart from SPD supporters have. Still waiting for you to explain how an at-will collective can have a political stance beyond the stated goal of the collective. I can't help but feel that you're getting into "the anonymous hacker 4chan" territory.


FarHat5815

>I can't help but feel that you're getting into "the anonymous hacker 4chan" territory. Its as if you are reading from the Antifa handbook. They also use Psy Ops to induce or reinforce behaviour favourable for them. Rather than discuss the truth they pass it off as being a conspiracy. What better way to deny responsibility than by claiming it ever existed. Also you never explained this: *The KPD sometimes cooperated with the Nazis in attacking the SPD (social democratic party of Germany.* Antifa was a militant organisation started by members of the KPD which was funded by the soviets.


Arretu

Lol. Who exactly is "responsible" for antifa? I don't mean a country or some cabal or whatever, I mean a person with a name and ideally a mailing address. Like, if you wanted to sue antifa as a group who would you send the paperwork to? Since I suspect you edited your previous post after I started responding, I'll address some of the other stuff. On the subject of BLM, most people capable of a bit of thought can see that whatever the founders intent, the VAST majority of members/supporters don't give a shit about Marxism. If barely any of the membership care about it, then whatever the "founder" says BLM isn't about Marxism. Oh no, a fist you say? Well I never. It's been used since 1910 (or indeed 1848, arguably) in modern times (whereas the first use by the communism party was in 1924). While the Communists did use it, it's generally associated with solidarity, unity, strength and resistance. It's also been used by loyalists in Ulster, and I'm pretty sure they're not commies. If I sound like the antifa playbook or whatever you are imagining exists, then you're sounding like a particularly sycophantic McCarthy era news reader. Watch out, the commies are coming!


FarHat5815

Antifa is not controlled by one person, it was created by a country to push its own political views and to help grab power. I don't see your point of trying to claim that it is controlled by a single person. With regards to BLM, the trained Marxist was the one who fanned the fires solely to create division, not for the causes they claimed. >the VAST majority of members/supporters don't give a shit about Marxism That doesn't matter, the founders have achieved what they set out to do. They lit the fires and went out the backdoor with their pockets full of money. What better way to get supporters than to demonize the opposition. [Watch out, the commies are coming!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNcf7_YBbww)


Dunhildar

Oh, so Antifa Are little bitches. ​ You said it, not me.


_Hopped_

>he said MI5 was alert to the possible return of terrorist training camps in Afghanistan. >he acknowledged the potential danger of Islamist terrorist groups trying to rebuild their capabilities there. >"If pockets of ungoverned space open up, some terrorist groups might, for example, try to re-establish some training facilities there as we've seen in the past. It doesn't automatically follow that they would then build from there to try to direct terrorist attacks against the UK, for example, [but] that is clearly a possibility to which we must be alert," he said. Hilariously it seems like commenters here didn't read the article, because he's waring against far-right Islamism - he doesn't once mention the kind of far-right terrorism you guys seem to be gagging for.


Bubbly-Walk-5615

The whole article is a bit of a twister, it IS saying the far-right nationalists are a problem.. but by postulating it as though the main problem is they encourage Islamic terrorism. Really an incredible attempt to criticise the far-right while pandering to their own anti-Islamic attitudes that they use to justify themselves with in the first place.


_Hopped_

>it IS saying the far-right nationalists are a problem "Nationalist" or "nationalism" are not once mentioned. Neither are "white" or "identity" or "supremacy" or "supremacist". Either the writer of the article has done a terrible job, or McCallum is not talking about the kind of far-right you are thinking of.


Bubbly-Walk-5615

>Either the writer of the article has done a terrible job, or McCallum is not talking about the kind of far-right you are thinking of. I think it's the result of both the BBC and MI5 trying to have it both ways, they want to say racism is something that needs to be cracked down on as it should, but they're also both overseen by a government whose leader gained support after joking that women in burqas look like bank robbers and post boxes (take that as you will). So, it's intentionally vague about who this article is supposed to be condemning and resolves itself in saying "We need to stop the far-right extremism and racism in the UK, otherwise those foreign Muslims will start kicking off again". Which frankly is a bit of an own goal for an article stating the need to remove racism in Britain. Especially after the recent hatred towards black football players over the Euros final.


mattb2k

The original source does actually make a clear discrepancy between the two https://www.mi5.gov.uk/news/director-general-ken-mccallum-gives-annual-threat-update-2021


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Mate you're definitely the one isn't able to comprehend the article or information on counter terrorism. He's very clearly talking about far right extremism away from Islamism. The article also specifically mentions "the base" in one of the images. This is a white far right group


MultiMidden

I think you're the one who hasn't read and comprehended the article... >The "toxic" issue of racism is fuelling a growing threat from the far right, the head of MI5 has warned. > >Ken McCallum said MI5 was seeing teenagers as young as 13 drawn into extremist activity, often online. > >.. > >"Racism is a toxic issue that MI5 confronts every day, most visibly in our work to deal with extreme right-wing terrorism. Racism is not the sole and only fuel of that threat, but it is strongly there." > >.. > >He said teenagers were a growing part of counter-terrorist case work, especially with the far right. This was most likely because of the strong online element of the problem, with the youngest person MI5 had come across aged 13.


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MultiMidden

>The "toxic" issue of racism is fuelling a growing threat from the far right, the head of MI5 has warned. > >Ken McCallum said MI5 was seeing teenagers as young as 13 drawn into extremist activity, often online. > >.. > >"Racism is a toxic issue that MI5 confronts every day, most visibly in our work to deal with extreme right-wing terrorism. Racism is not the sole and only fuel of that threat, but it is strongly there." > >.. > >He said teenagers were a growing part of counter-terrorist case work, especially with the far right. This was most likely because of the strong online element of the problem, with the youngest person MI5 had come across aged 13. Some people are trying to twist this article into an Islamic terrorism one, yes it is mentioned. But the big (new) threat is perceived to be far-right terrorism.


Jake_91_420

Islamism is far-right mate


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c12022

You should probably take a break from the internet mate, seems to have done a number on you. It's people using their freedom of speech to discuss race and racism. If you don't like it, don't get involved. It's that simple! > When did adults become such snivveling crybabies? Love how you prefaced this with a bunch of crying, nice use of irony!


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c12022

>Maybe in your social groups that's all they talk about. Fortunately it's not! >We keep politics and race chatter out of our conversations because there's more to life than other people's problems Why did you feel the need to post in the first place if that's the case? Just don't bother with these threads anymore if the subject matter isn't of interest to you. Everyone wins, we don't have to hear your crazy ideas about "race wars" and you don't have to talk about something you have very little interest in and knowledge of.


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c12022

Well your point seemed to be stating how you and your friends aren't really concerned with it, but here you are.


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c12022

>Fail. Take your L Ahhh I'm guessing you're the 12 year old who was called out.


The-Garrulous-Rat

I was actually just trying to phrase it for how I thought you'd understand it, thinking you were the dumb kid. But kudos where its due, a good comeback there :) now you're getting it :)


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c12022

As someone who is fed up of being subjected to racism.


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GhostRiders

Yet another scare story pushed by the Government to convince people that being anonymous on the Internet is bad and the Online Safety Bill needs to be implemented. Get ready for many more scare stories over the next few weeks now a significant portion of the population who know absolutely fuck all are all riled up after the Euro Finals and Government uses this to their advantage.


sausageparty2017

Well racism and the far right do tend to go together yes. However as far as I can see we are definitely becoming a less racist country by the year.


Nicenightforawalk01

I have to disagree. The brexit fiasco has brought out the racists amongst us and emboldened them.


gacGGE

Absolutely, everybody at the bus stop knew what he meant when he talked about "taking back control of our borders".


Khazil28

Leave frightened people by saying Turkey would join the EU. Whats so bad about allowing brown muslims into the nation ?


sausageparty2017

Wow that's a pretty disingenuous interpretation of objections to Turkey joining the EU.


lebennaia

There was never any chance of Turkey joining the EU. It couldn't fit the criteria, and even if it could, Greece and Cyprus would both veto it within a few seconds of the application.


sausageparty2017

I object to the characterisation of people objecting to Turkey joining the EU as people being afraid of "brown Muslims".


lebennaia

Object all you want, that's exactly the message that the leave campaign was selling.


TimsKillerRabbit

Guessing you forgot when an MP got shot in the head just a few years back.....


sausageparty2017

If the London nail bombings were 1999 and Jo Cox was murdered in 2016 then yes maybe that is a downward trajectory? Why does Jo Cox being murdered five years ago suddenly mean Britain is as racist and far right as its always been and nothing has changed? I genuinely don't follow your logic.


TimsKillerRabbit

Because she wasn't the first killing or incident in the last 5 years. There have been many more since then - her death was the most prominent and "newsworthy" because she was an MP. Since then there've been a lot of terrorism offences from right wingers. Remember when a guy hired a van from South Wales, drove to London and just plowed into civilians on a bridge? That wasn't long ago.


sausageparty2017

And yet nowhere near as many killed and injured by the London nail bombings so a downward trajectory no?


pajamakitten

The recent fallout from the Euros really calls your statement into question. What about that was really tolerant?


sausageparty2017

The fact there actually wasn't that much of it? And most actually came from outside the UK?


davey1800

Anybody who doesn’t fall for their lies is immediately labelled as far-right. Wasn’t that the way Hitler did things back in the day?


bigboff

You... literally just did what you accuse them of doing.


Vladimir_Chrootin

You're all crawling out of the woodwork today. did this get posted on r/britishnationalism or something?


Arretu

That sub is amazing in a really unexpected way.


dontberidiculousfool

You freaks think everything is fascism except actual fascism.


MaievSekashi

No, it wasn't... not in the slightest.


TheHighwayman90

I hope he was actually asking, because he’s so far off the mark.


Bubbly-Walk-5615

What does he mean by "threat"? It was planned to make the country far-right to its core since the relevant ideologies demand total loyalty to the state and its establishment even when they are merely overseeing a crumbling, miserable society with the only goal being their own personal security. This was a "threat" in the 1970s, since the 1980s it's just been an eventuality.