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Funny way of saying that two-thirds were vaccinated

Funny way of saying that two-thirds were vaccinated

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S2MacroHard

So 87% of the Covid hospitalizations are vaccinated? Did I read that correctly?


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MydnightDesign

3680 cases vaccinated (NIH example chart) vs 1600 unvaccinated = 60% hospitalizations unvaccinated vs 40% vaccinated. According to the argument, let's look at the BBC publishing, see if that ratio holds water. A third of positive (let's use 1600 cases, just like the example) are unvaccinated, and 2/3 are vaccinated (3200 cases). Very close to the example, but now there's even less cases among the vaccinated. Looking good for the argument... but 87% of the hospitalizations are vaccinated, when it should be under 40%. Womp womp.


Jacobletrashe

How did you get these numbers? I’m in a debate about this with a liberal.


MydnightDesign

[https://i.imgur.com/dD62bvW.png](https://i.imgur.com/dD62bvW.png)


Jacobletrashe

Thanks. He’s now unresponsive 😭😭


Forgetmeplox

I’m confused. This says 160/80000 unvaxed are in hospital. Which is a much larger percent than the 110/920000?


WhoIsHankRearden_

Appears the image does not represent the article, Wales vs England?


This-Librarian-6046

Well it seems kinda logical. When almost everyone in the country i vaccinated, ofc you're gonna see more cases amongst the vaccinated?


S2MacroHard

Well, the claim is the vaccine protects you against the more serious symptoms, ie hospitalization. Also, that 87% is higher than the vaccination rate. That single statistic implies vaccinated people are more likely to be hospitalized. Makes no sense.


Noideawhatjusthappen

Yep but that's not how they want you to say it.


mtflyer05

Not hospitalizations, just positive cases, if I am reading it correctly. The vaccine doesnt protect against infection that well, but it does reduce severity of symptoms, so if you're fat, a smoker, immunocompromised, and/or drink to excess, you should probably get the jab, to keep hospital seats open for less preventable causes, IMO. Otherwise, you'll likely be fine.


pdizzle8422

So basically all the exact same reasons to fear Covid, don’t make it any less dangerous with the vaccine? Got it.


mtflyer05

Basically, yes, unless you're some sort of significantly unhealthy in the first place, in which case the VID is more likely to kill you than the vaccine.


i_win_u_know

Are you saying not getting the vaccine will protect me from Covid better than the vaccine?


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i_win_u_know

Yet we treat the cautious ones as 2nd class citizens.


Noideawhatjusthappen

\****nearly*** 13%, so not even.


PhaedrusZenn

Well, when 80% of the population have been fully vaccinated, and you have a variant that can cause reinfection, the numbers make sense. With 37% of new positive cases coming from unvaccinated people, the unvaccinated are overrepresented. I'd also say that with only 13% of them making up hospital cases, they'd be underrepresented, but the same article addresses that just below where the screenshot ends, so it's worth reading the whole thing to get context for these statistics. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58680204.amp


MydnightDesign

3680 cases vaccinated (NIH example chart) vs 1600 unvaccinated = 60% hospitalizations unvaccinated vs 40% vaccinated. According to the argument, let's look at the BBC publishing, see if that ratio holds water. A third of positive (let's use 1600 cases, just like the example) are unvaccinated, and 2/3 are vaccinated (3200 cases). Very close to the example, but now there's even less cases among the vaccinated. Looking good for the argument... but 87% of the hospitalizations are vaccinated, when it should be under 40%. Womp womp.


AndreasVesalius

It’s almost like the screenshot was posted to make it more difficult to read the actual article


PhaedrusZenn

Funny, in'it?


SaintsSooners89

Lol I guess no one wants to actually read the article. The most interesting statistic is that the total number of cases is down. But I guess people can't understand that a vaccine doesn't completely stop infection but rather teach our bodies to more effectively and quickly destroy a virus, aiding in reducing transmission and severity. "Last winter, when Covid cases in the community were similarly high but the vaccine programme had only just started, there were four times as many Covid patients in hospitals in Wales."


PaletoBayPlayboy

So much spin you’d think they would be dizzy


MGTOWayoflife

This has to be one of the most blatant propaganda articles I have read. And unfortunately I have read a lot of them recently.


AffectionateFeeling6

I looked up the original article. It doesn’t really seem too absurd unless you take a small portion out of context. This is the next paragraph > The sheer numbers of people vaccinated - nearly 95% of those over 60 and 84% of those under 60 - mean that statistically, double-vaccinated people will still be a significant proportion of hospital patients. > Dr Chris Williams, consultant epidemiologist for PHW, said: "A large majority of adults in Wales have now received two doses of coronavirus vaccine, so it is to be expected that a significant proportion of people in hospital will be fully vaccinated. I’m just as annoyed as the last person, but taking 1 little blurb out of a larger story is the exact same type of clickbait as the stuff we’re supposed to hate in a sub like this > The hospital admissions rate is 53 per 100,000 of the population in those unvaccinated compared to 32 per 100,000 in those fully vaccinated, in the past month OP took the headline and new it would make people upset, which is a rly crappy thing to do tbh https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58680204


pdizzle8422

It’s just amusing that for a year and a half, every old persons death WAS Covid, and every single preexisting condition was ignored as we sought higher and higher death totals. Now there’s a vaccine, but old people are still Dying, because they are old, or far, or smokers or whatever. How the hell can you claim the vaccine did Anything? How can you claim that Covid itself did Anything? Maybe. Old, fat people just die? No one lives forever.


teingles

I am curious how often vaccinated people are even testing. At least recently most guidance in the US only recommended testing for unvaccinated or for symptomatic cases.


Tommy-Two-Times

And the vaccine, by design, reduces symptoms. So most of the infected who are asymptomatic - and not being tested - you would assume are vaccinated. And those are the ones spreading the virus. The unvaccinated more often *know* they're positive, because they have symptoms.


Present_Cricket_5543

I don’t wanna be that guy but I’m pretty sure asymptomatic spread us been proven not to be the main cause or even a noteworthy cause of spreading cases


gelber_Bleistift

I guess news agencies don't think people can math.


CorruptedArc

Math is racist.


LaLongueCarabine

People can't


poopwetpoop

"a pandemic of the unvaccinated"... Sure...


kelweb

Meaning TWO Thirds ARE Vaccinated!


tenebrapetrichor

Wow 1/3, 33.3% 2/3, 66.6% are vaccinated then.


automatomtomtim

Stop noticing things.


tenebrapetrichor

I got to stop using math its racist.


hellocharmingstars

Noticing things is misinformation /s


Tommy-Two-Times

Ironically, two-thirds is also the amount of people who are vaccinated. Which pretty much means that the vaccine does zilch to prevent infection.


Nijode

Careful I was told the other day that me saying the vaccines are becoming increasingly less effective was not supported by the science and that I needed to choose my words more carefully.


xxCMWFxx

My local political leader who recently implemented mandates… for which I’m losing my job now Said that I’m a conspiracy theorist for even suggesting the mandates will continue into 3rd and 4th shots. IM GETTING KINDA FUCKIN NERVOUS OVER HERE lol It’s all friggin weird


Nijode

I think that these people were so hopeful or adamant that the vaccine was going to be the silver bullet the completely end COVID. They can't accept that while the vaccines are extremely effective in a variety of ways they are not perfect and can't stand anyone who says anything even slight critical. The responses have me wondering why booster shots are being given elsewhere in the world and are being considered of the vaccine isn't losing its effectiveness. I haven gotten an answer to that one yet.


xxCMWFxx

My province in Canada stopped releasing the stats of vax/unvax currently in the hospital after riding that horse hard all summer. If you want the deets, it’s a FOIA request or piss off The prime minister of Canada, along with my premier and local rep all had either J&J or AZ. Currently, you cannot get a non-mRNA, as they’re only purchasing Pfizer and moderna now, for quite sometime. I cannot leave the province to get it (viral vector) elsewhere… cause, mandates. So, now it’s take it… or lose your job.. then your home.. then your children. No testing options available. But somehow.. it’s still my choice? Kind of freaking me out, not going to lie


Nijode

You do have the choice between all of the options the powers that be allow you to have. All roads lead to either getting vaccinated our borderline ruining your life. It is definitely valid to be concerned about it all. Listening to the speech that Biden gave where he announced the vaccine mandate on companies he sounded like a dictator. It was deeply disturbing hearing how he talked about unvaccinated people and others who aren't going along with the plan to vaccinate everyone on planet earth.


xxCMWFxx

Well, people with guns to their head have a choice too.. right? Just a scary world to leave for future generations


ASCI_Blue

Was the thing claiming this wearing a swastika or a sickle?


Nijode

It was actually a reply to me on this sub. I didnt care to check their profile.


leave_da_space

The Bullshit Broadcasting Corporation is try to jump through hoops with this article.


thats-alotta-damage

A pandemic of the vaccinated then?


Bishop1415

No, Wales just has a high vaccination rate, thus the amount of opportunity for it to hit unvaccinated folks are less. Additionally, there is another 20% or so tested positive that they do not know the vaccination status of


AnonTheNormalFag

Wales has currently a vaccination rate of 70.6% double jabbed and 76.6% single jabbed. 63% of cases are vaccinated, 37% unvaccinated. We see there are slightly more cases within the unvaccinated. 13% of the unvaccinated cases are hospitalized which means there are more severe cases within the vaccinated.


canuck0001

Case count is irrelevant.


Meg_119

This is how you report statistics when you try to spin a story to deceive the public..


Yourkillingmesmaalls

So 2/3rds vaccinated


iamnewhere2019

Useless statistics. It is important to know how many people of the total population is unvaccinated, so we can calculate the appropriate ratio and compare to How many vaccinated people were positive related to the total of vaccinated people. Also, we don’t know anything about the population that is hospitalized. Does it relates to the whole population of people in hospitals, or just people hospitalized of Covid? Once again, we would need to calculate based on the numbers in the total population.


MydnightDesign

3680 cases vaccinated (NIH example chart) vs 1600 unvaccinated = 60% hospitalizations unvaccinated vs 40% vaccinated. According to the argument, let's look at the BBC publishing, see if that ratio holds water. A third of positive (let's use 1600 cases, just like the example) are unvaccinated, and 2/3 are vaccinated (3200 cases). Very close to the example, but now there's even less cases among the vaccinated. Looking good for the argument... but 87% of the hospitalizations are vaccinated, when it should be under 40%. Womp womp.


xxCMWFxx

I dunno, I think if the goal post now is only hospitalization, instead of halting the spread.. We’re opening the door for public health to mandate whatever *next* measure will decrease whichever shifting goal post issue we’re currently on. Western nations have more pharma lobbyists than politicians. Don’t forget, after 2 decades of pharmaceutical bred opiate crisis, they’ve found a way to drum up customers faster than addiction. It’s call fear, and it’s fucking working too well, imo


FakeRedditName2

(*with great sarcasm*) You want them to do proper research? Excuse me, but the people writing this article are professional reporters, they are too busy to do research and check the facts. Don't you know they have a narrative to push?


gelber_Bleistift

Can someone post a link to the actual article?


killking72

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58680204


kungfu_koala

Since it has been established that vaccination doesn't prevent infection with the virus, and also doesn't prevent vaccinated from infecting others as a result, it is clear that regarding chances of "being tested positive", it doesn't matter whether someone is vaccinated or not. The difference is solely in protecting against illness and severe illness, which is usuallay better for vaccinated.


JustAnotherHyrum

Reading the article in its entirety is helpful. "Dr Chris Williams, consultant epidemiologist for PHW, said: "**A large majority of adults in Wales have now received two doses of coronavirus vaccine, so it is to be expected that a significant proportion of people in hospital will be fully vaccinated.** "Also, the majority of people in hospital are older. "This group is more likely to be vaccinated, but also are more likely to be hospitalised because of underlying health conditions, reduced immune response, and because they are more clinically vulnerable." **What else do the figures show?** * ***The hospital admissions rate is 53 per 100,000 of the population in those unvaccinated compared to 32 per 100,000 in those fully vaccinated, in the past month.*** * ***Broken down, the hospital admissions rate for the under 60s is 3.5 times higher for unvaccinated, compared to those vaccinated. It is also 1.9 times greater for those unvaccinated who are over 60 and those who have been vaccinated.*** * 23% of Covid patients are under 60 - the median age is 75. * Of 19,140 positive tests in the past week, PHW said 33% were among unvaccinated people - that's 6,321 people. 4.5% had one dose and 41.2% two doses, the rest were unknown. * ***The case rate amongst the unvaccinated population is far higher - 1,026 cases per 100,000, compared to 348 cases per 100,000 in those who have been double-dosed with a vaccine. The median age of someone testing positive is 34. *** Dr Williams said studies consistently showed that vaccines reduced transmission, serious illness, hospitalisation, and death from Covid - and much lower rates of these in the third wave was evidence. "The single best thing you can do to protect yourself, your loved ones and your community from Coronavirus is to take up the offer of a vaccine," he said. "The incidence of hospitalisation is around two-thirds lower in vaccinated under 60s compared to unvaccinated, and about 40% lower in vaccinated over 60s than unvaccinated." ------------------------- My Add: Getting vaccinated doesn't outright prevent you from being infected. It significantly reduces the risk to you from becoming seriously ill and/or dying **if you are infected**. It also helps prevent you from becoming a vector and infecting others. Let's talk about how many of these infected patients in Wales die from COVID-19, and let's compare the number of vaccinated vs unvaccinated there. THAT is the benefit of vaccinations. Edit: Downvotes for posting the entire article. I'll wear each and every one as a badge of honor, thank you! Lots of allergies to the whole truth and scientific facts in this thread. :)


MydnightDesign

3680 cases vaccinated (NIH example chart) vs 1600 unvaccinated = 60% hospitalizations unvaccinated vs 40% vaccinated. According to the argument, let's look at the BBC publishing, see if that ratio holds water. A third of positive (let's use 1600 cases, just like the example) are unvaccinated, and 2/3 are vaccinated (3200 cases). Very close to the example, but now there's even less cases among the vaccinated. Looking good for the argument... but 87% of the hospitalizations are vaccinated, when it should be under 40%. Womp womp.


JustAnotherHyrum

Are you expecting two geographically distinct locations in countries separated by an ocean to have the same infection rates among the vaccinated and unvaccinated? Neighboring states here in the US don't even have that and it's unreasonable to expect it across the globe with the high degree of variants and vaccination hesitancy in the population. Every single reputable medical and bioscience association across the planet is in agreement that vaccines work and are the best protection against COVID.


JustAnotherHyrum

Also, official data from UK's Office for National Statistics: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand2july2021 "******1.Main Points****** In England, between 2 January and 2 July 2021, there were **51,281 deaths** involving coronavirus (COVID-19); **640 occurred in people who were fully vaccinated**, which includes people who had been infected before they were vaccinated. The risk of death involving COVID-19 was consistently lower for people who had received two vaccinations compared to one or no vaccination, as shown by the weekly age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) for deaths involving COVID-19." 51,281 died in the UK this year from COVID. 640 of them were unvaccinated. 98.8% of deaths from COVID in the UK this year were from the unvaccinated. womp womp


TeamLiveBadass_

> It also helps prevent you from becoming a vector and infecting others. In what way?


JustAnotherHyrum

Vaccinations have proven to reduce the duration and degree of symptoms for those who have breakthrough infections following their vaccinations. Reducing the duration of a viral infection also reduces the period of time during which one is considered to be infectious to others. It's the basis for population immunity, or herd immunity as it's been referred to in the media recently. It's also positive because it allows a society to provide indirect protection for those with compromised immune systems, the very young, and the elderly.


Sandylocks2412

No dude don’t they have to say the vaccine doesn’t work. Please don’t make them take the jab needles scare them.


Assassin01011

so seeing how a vast majority are vaccinated about 80-90% and 90% is greater than 66% let's do some math here, 80-90% being greater than 66% means proportionately more unvaccinated are getting sick than vaccinated therefor the vaccine works


MydnightDesign

Wrong. 3680 cases vaccinated (NIH example chart) vs 1600 unvaccinated = 60% hospitalizations unvaccinated vs 40% vaccinated. According to the argument, let's look at the BBC publishing, see if that ratio holds water. A third of positive (let's use 1600 cases, just like the example) are unvaccinated, and 2/3 are vaccinated (3200 cases). Very close to the example, but now there's even less cases among the vaccinated. Looking good for the argument... but 87% of the hospitalizations are vaccinated, when it should be under 40%. Womp womp.