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tony11227

So the sanctions are having an effect….not what he wanted people to believe though


AndrekinKimawa

Sanctions work, everyone. Keep it up.


zahirsaeed

Why sanctions will not have any effect?


tony11227

He tried to say for a long time that the sanctions did nothing but he was obviously bluffing


NormandyLS

When the Earth begins to reduce in size to just Russia and China, Russia begins to panic. China has MASS resources, manpower, etc etc. China is in every single way bigger and better than Russia, and they fear that relationship. That's why it's not enough, because Russia is too weak to even manipulate China. Consider this, the provincial borders between China and Russian sides, Chinese provinces have upwards of 20x more population, and Russian land is just dead wasteland. A shithole country is all I can say, nobody wants to fuck, live, have kids, Russia is a joke to China. This is why expanding at least through Ukraine is so important as Ukraine has the worlds largest Uranium and Oil reserves, Ukraine holds 2% of the worlds resources, which is incredibly good for such a small country in Europe. I would honestly say that Putin"s next move is likely to irradiate the land west of Poland, force mass evacuations without a nuclear war, and march in to control Europe militarily. That'll be his final plan, as it was already considered and it's the best plan he has to take control of the situation.


Sock_Crates

lmao irradiating europe would 110% cause nuclear war, no matter whether west, north, or south of poland. east of poland is debatable, whether you mean the souther east or the norther east, but regardless a significant enough radiation event would make some fingers move awfully close to some buttons, no matter where in the world that event takes place


United_Librarian_942

He wants eastern Ukraine and we aren't sure he will push on to there. He won't irradate the land because it would be pointless and won't March west because that's a war he can't win. Having to take every country in europe by force while holding them and then pushing on whilst also fending off attacks from other nations? It's impossible.


United_Librarian_942

Of course they're having an effect. But he also holds the wheat. This isn't about PR. This is about the millions that will die for this. Lifting some sanctions to allow the food out makes sense. But that won't happen.


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Releasing that wheat is a drop in the bucket really. The Ukraine/Russia problem is contributing to the global food security crisis on the horizon but it's not the sole cause or solution.


bu4man

For me that sounds like terrorist took hostages and now trying to negotiate: we'll feed our hostages (entire world) with your own food (Ukrainian grain) if you give us 2 million dollars in cash (lift sanctions). Otherwise we'll let hostages die of starvation and continue to destroy your food. Anyone can explain why russia can't be called terrorist state after this news (assuming I've missed all news for the last 3 months)?


Foreign-Engine8678

Because Europe is being bribed. Or they are cowards. Don't know which one is worse


susrev88

europe is very dependant on russian oil and gas. can't just get rid of them in a matter of days. yes, you could get rid of them but then the economy would collapse, thus weakening EU. this energy-topic is not that simple. inflation is already up. europe requires different thinking. if you don't live here, you won't understand fully, not to mention ex-soviet countries with legacy soviet infrastructure.


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susrev88

> complex and that some random person can't fully grasp the political situation of a 27-countries exactly. you need to be an expert and deal with this 24/7. the people of internet need to accept that superpower politics and logic don't work like they do in the average people's lives. the key to wisdom is to accept that you don't know much. i'm from a country that is very dependant on russian energy (including legacy). the politicians of the last decade could've diversified the energy input but they haven'T because they lack expertise and long-term thinking. now we can't get rid of russian ties, it's our country's fault. partly i blame EU too because they should've push the idea of green/renewable energy plus diversification harder but they didn'T because they were short sighted (short-term economic gains vs long-term european security. for example, brexit postponed pan-european peace for decades). now it's too late.


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susrev88

thanks. it effects me and i'm also ashamed of my country for many things, including its relation to the ukraine situation. you can only risk assessment if you're rational. i used to work in business continuity where you had to think about the possibility of certain problems and how to mitigate them, because it is easier to mitigate than to rebuild/repair damages. i hope for the best in the world but i think the world needs to get rid of this profit-oriented/economic interest approach to solve global problems. we have only on Earth and one life. but this works only if all parties agree and act at the same time. i also hope that this russia-ukraine conflict will start the stronger unification of europe and generally better global cooperation. at least the death of all the innocent wouldn't be meaningless. having said all these, i think i'm naive if i expect this. i read too much history i think. anyway, too much comment, i wish everybody the best.


Foreign-Engine8678

This is bullshit. 6th is about ending oil by the end of the year. That's around 500bln dollars. For that amount of money you can think of a way. Also don't tell me about different thinking, you guys paid 200 bln dollars since the start of war to Putin and don't even think about stopping while not giving us any heavy weaponry. I lived both in Europe and Ukraine, I know about this stuff and can only tell you one thing. Wake the fuck up


rsta223

>For that amount of money you can think of a way. You genuinely don't have a clue how expensive that kind of infrastructure transition is, do you?


SlavaUkraina2022

It is also extremely more easy to source oil from elsewhere than it is to source gas.


susrev88

what's the alternative, then? there isn't enough LNG terminals yet and support can't meet the demand. infrastructure is also a huge problem, if you want to switch crude oil source, you need to modify the oil refineries. some countries had more forward thinking and are able dismantle themselves from russian energy sources, however, this was not a general european policy. other countries are very dependant, somebody has to pay for the replacement of source and technolody but some poor countries don't have the resources. also, such transition takes months anyway. eu could place an embargo in place, which will lead to a huge recession and inflation, which might lead to civil unrest. i wish we could get rid of russian energy, but we can't. this part of putin's plan, so he has the advantage. PLUS withholding wheat production and delivery, which puts a ton of pressore on several countries. as for weapons, it's difficult because putin decides on a daily basis what 'act of war' means. europe was very money-hungry in the recent years while ignoring long term security problems. now everybody suffers from it.


TheCatGoneMad

The same reason nobody call US or NATO terrorist.


bu4man

may you please be more specific? when exactly US or NATO took someone's food and asked to lift sanctions to release it to the world?


TheCatGoneMad

Invaded Iraq, Afganistan, Libya and many more countries, killed millions of ppl, stole their money, gold, oils, resource, .... because those countries didnt do what the US demanded. Sanction Iraq because of imaginary threat, lead to the death of thousands children and tell the world that those deaths are worth to prevent that imaginary threat happened. If those actions above arent terriorst then what Russians did also not.


bu4man

US sanctions weren't against Afghanistan, but against Taliban. And even in this case Taliban wasn't prohibited to sell food to other countries - like in the case we discuss here. If you wish to protect Taliban - it's your own choice, good luck. But it's case has nothing to do with what russia does now.


TheCatGoneMad

Yes my mistake. Not Afghanistan, it was Iraq, and it's not thousands children dead, it's half million.


bu4man

Iraq started invasion of Kuwait, so that's why sanctions were applied. Are you trying to say that invasion of Kuwait was "imaginary threat"? Again, defend Iraq in such situation is your own choice, same like your attempt to defend Taliban. But need to say that majority of people are against invasions. But I still don't understand how that is related to current situation. Was USA blackmailing world and not allowing to sell food from Iraq or Kuwait? I really don't understand what you're trying to say here.


TheCatGoneMad

And yes. US blackmailing small countries into doing what the US demand, otherwise they got sanction or being robb all the money they invested legally to US, and at worst, being invaded. Is that not a terriorst action ?


bu4man

that's definitely a terrorist action but only in your world - where Taliban and Saddam Hussein are heroes and fight against evil USA.


TheCatGoneMad

Sorry i dont think you understand what i mean. It seems you dont treat the afghanistan or Iraq ppl as normal human. And i'm sure not all of them are Taliban but hey they still dying to the democracy bomb and their money in the US bank got stolen.


TheCatGoneMad

The sanction keep going even after Iraq was defeated in the war. It prevented Irad from importing food, medical supplies because the US think Iraq may make chemical weapon from those supplies. That incluced the effect of urani from US plus their Allies weapon was used against the Iraq army lead to the death of half million Irad children. At this moment there is no chemical weapon to be found in Iraq => this is the imaginary threat, same as the salt bottle that US used as reason to invaded Libya. All of those things happened because those countries didnt do what the US demand, so US sanction plus invading. Is that not a terriorist action ? If nobody called US and their allies are terriorist, then they will do the same with Rus, since what US did are way more horrible than what the Rus are doing.


bu4man

>The sanction keep going even after Iraq was defeated in the war. It prevented Irad from importing food, medical supplies because the US think Iraq may make chemical weapon from those supplies. How that is related to terrorism action that russia does now by preventing food export from Ukraine? Just say that you support russia and don't want it to be called terrorist state. That will be in line with your support to Taliban and Saddam Hussein. But don't blame USA


TheCatGoneMad

I dont support the Rus or the Taliban. Please read again. Both USA and Rus use food to demand something. Then why you call Rus terriorist, not USA ?. This is what i mean.


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TheCatGoneMad

The sanction keep going after Iraq got defeated and prevent Iraq from importing food, medical supplies because US think Iraq may make chemical weapons from the them. That lead to half millions of children death due to lack of food, medical supplies and the cancers come from urani in the weapon that the Allied used against Iraq army. And after Saddam death, US still havent found any chemical weapon yet.


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TheCatGoneMad

I did anwser. If you prevent Iraq from importing chemical, weapon, .... etc i dont mind. But food and medical supplies ??? And the reason they prevent Iraq from importing food and medical supplies is they think Iraq may make chemical weapon from those supplies. Is that a real threat ?


jfreer22

To bad they can’t be trusted at all, carry on.


HellBlazer1221

Tell me sanctions hurt without telling me sanctions hurt.


CaribouJovial

We should sanction them even more for that blackmail attempt.


TheDeafDad

But Putin said sanctions is not having an effect on their economy?


shadowskill11

Nuts


FatOldRugbyDude

Ask which ones, then double down on those and every substitute product that could be used instead.


sunniyam

Someone take this mother fucker out already.


Turbulent-Wolf8306

Suck a thousand dicks russian cunts.


I_never_finish_the_

Narrator: *He lied.* When was the last time Russia told the truth or kept their promises or agreements? Do not trust Putin. At all.


Fun_Specialist_1776

If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its ass when it hops either.


herstonian

The navy’s of whoever was having war games in the Black Sea a while back can’t go in and protect ships that are carrying grain? Maybe way too simplistic


NotAGreatBaker

Good to know sanctions are squeezing them


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-let-food-ships-leave-ukraine-if-sanctions-lifted-crisis-2022-5) reduced by 68%. (I'm a bot) ***** > A senior Russian government official said the Kremlin would allow ships carrying food to leave Ukrainian ports in exchange for the lifting of sanctions. > "We have repeatedly commented on the matter and said that a resolution of the food problem would require a comprehensive approach, including the lifting of sanctions imposed on Russian exports and financial transactions," Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Andrei Rudenko said on Wednesday, as reported by Interfax news agency. > "There will be a crisis in the world. The second crisis after the energy one, which was provoked by Russia. Now it will create a food crisis if we do not unblock the routes for Ukraine, do not help the countries of Africa, Europe, Asia, which need these food products," said Zalenskyy, according to a transcript from his office. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/uy1qe2/russia_says_it_would_let_ships_carrying_food/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~651293 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **food**^#1 **Ukraine**^#2 **port**^#3 **per**^#4 **global**^#5


ellilaamamaalille

Sounds odd because they have said sanctions have no effect on their lives.


putsch80

Is this just like they promised humanitarian corridors to allow people to escape, then shot and bombed them? These fuckers can’t be trusted. They will have sanctions lifted, transfer their funds, then immediate turn around and not allow the ships through so that the ships can again serve as leverage.


lokuddh

Sink the ships. Mass starvation is a WMD. If NATO has to call the bluff better sooner than later. Putin has to go. His party has to go.


otas1

Fine you can have McDonalds back.